Hello,
I am not probably right person who would say that but.....
If you wanna start your server at the best way. You have to inform players whats going on. It is not only about this - "SOON! We are opening new server Valkyria 9x". People are waiting for your information about many things and features on server .
for example:
- What about Mutants?
- Can you tell us more about your version of DN subclass?
- Will you implement all drakes "updates" - PVP balancing, 7sign system, Hero (olympiad system)
- Would be possible to sub Kamael into another Kamael class or not?
- Spawn time of bosses and of course will you change Epic Boss Jewelare stats in the same way as drake did
- What about mana potions and another potions fully made by DNet, What about DNet tattoes
- And last but not least, When you are going open server?
Please, can you try to keep us informated about server status. We are YOUR players and we should be on the 1st place for you.
No players = no money = no money = no server = no fun! Thats bad.....
Thank you for your work and i wish you a good luck and a lot of online players.
They were in pole position for a gold mine, but they gonna lose the chance to get it...
WAKE UP GUYS
Quote from: roberts on April 19, 2010, 09:21:09 PM
They were in pole position for a gold mine, but they gonna lose the chance to get it...
WAKE UP GUYS
My words!
WAKE UP GUYS!
ARE THEY LOOK AT FORUMS NOW ANYWAY? I GUESS NO ... :-[
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 19, 2010, 09:25:06 PM
ARE THEY LOOK AT FORUMS NOW ANYWAY? I GUESS NO ... :-[
are there any other place where we can talk with them?
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: roberts on April 19, 2010, 09:27:57 PM
are there any other place where we can talk with them?
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
yes go to the pub u can find them under the table :P
Quote from: roberts on April 19, 2010, 09:27:57 PM
are there any other place where we can talk with them?
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
yes, but they locked us behind the game :( ...
... email anyone ? ;D
Quote from: JohnyCZE on April 19, 2010, 09:17:38 PM
Hello,
I am not probably right person who would say that but.....
If you wanna start your server at the best way. You have to inform players whats going on. It is not only about this - "SOON! We are opening new server Valkyria 9x". People are waiting for your information about many things and features on server .
for example:
- What about Mutants?
- Can you tell us more about your version of DN subclass?
- Will you implement all drakes "updates" - PVP balancing, 7sign system, Hero (olympiad system)
- Would be possible to sub Kamael into another Kamael class or not?
- Spawn time of bosses and of course will you change Epic Boss Jewelare stats in the same way as drake did
- What about mana potions and another potions fully made by DNet, What about DNet tattoes
- And last but not least, When you are going open server?
Please, can you try to keep us informated about server status. We are YOUR players and we should be on the 1st place for you.
No players = no money = no money = no server = no fun! Thats bad.....
Thank you for your work and i wish you a good luck and a lot of online players.
No Mutants
They said they will try to balance game as possible as
About Kamael... I think no , they wont be able to sub
And it was told many times that they dont want to tell about server info coz of Leechers around, you should try to search and read before you make new posts.Its already like 10th post with these same questions.
And Yes ,its annoying that they dont tell us everything but i hope it`s worth it , because i got a feeling this server will be good.
As they said it will be opened at this month end next month start.So 2 Weeks left for us to wait :P
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 19, 2010, 09:25:06 PM
ARE THEY LOOK AT FORUMS NOW ANYWAY? I GUESS NO ... :-[
No they dont for sure. They haven't realised yet how pissed of players are getting...
I think they announced the server too early, they didnt think about problems which can appear anytime...
As they already said they gonna inform as for the server 2 days before server will be open.
And this is gonna happen soon,so find something creative to do for this days cause when server opens we will burn our brains hard ! :-*
For me this lack of information is a part of the awesomeness of the server.
Quote from: roberts on April 19, 2010, 09:34:14 PM
I think they announced the server too early, they didnt think about problems which can appear anytime...
y, and now they got more fails than they imagine before so we will wait more than... i dunno ???
Quote from: Ad1s on April 19, 2010, 09:38:55 PM
For me this lack of information is a part of the awesomeness of the server.
.. and for me retardness >:(
Eat a carrot or smthng ;D
Quote from: QQ_QQ on April 19, 2010, 09:42:10 PM
Eat a carrot or smthng ;D
or eat your own puke...
Can't you change your image? I dont know you, but i hate you because of your picture :D
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Thorn Last Active: April 13, 2010, 07:39:59 pm
Descent Last Active: April 15, 2010, 02:13:31 pm
it should be helpful for everyone.. lets log off for today :D
Quote from: roberts on April 19, 2010, 09:44:17 PM
or eat your own puke...
Can't you change your image? I dont know you, but i hate you because of your picture :D
It's supposed to cause this kind of reaction ;]
something NEW
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6574/83564082.png)
Hahaha piece of art ;D
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 19, 2010, 09:50:00 PM
something NEW
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6574/83564082.png)
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,45546.156.html
Quote from: Cireneu on April 19, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,45546.156.html
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/showbiz/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20090709/00221917eae80bbfca6028.jpg)
Quote from: Cireneu on April 19, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,45546.156.html
I don't think it's about provider coz today there where some ppl who where logged.. probably bots shops etc dont care... anyway why only in nightmare section someone cares about this problem ?
THEY SHOULD TELL US HERE TOO! :(
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 19, 2010, 09:50:00 PM
something NEW
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6574/83564082.png)
haha :D
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 19, 2010, 09:56:32 PM
I don't think it's about provider coz today there where some ppl who where logged.. probably bots shops etc dont care... anyway why only in nightmare section someone cares about this problem ? THEY SHOULD TELL US HERE TOO! :(
take a look at last active date of torn and descent and you will know why they dont inform us here
I hope they dont have time to give us info because they work hard with valkyria as they said.
Quote from: dontask333 on April 19, 2010, 10:04:39 PM
take a look at last active date of torn and descent and you will know why they dont inform us here
y, I know that well from my earlier posts :P ... anyway guyz I go sleep... no need to wait today having any faith ;) .. GN
No1 in this bloody world have some way to contact GM's or forum admins? ???
Quote from: Mokas on April 19, 2010, 10:15:47 PM
No1 in this bloody world have some way to contact GM's or forum admins? ???
they are celebrating Valkyria now in a bar 8)
Quote from: CriticalNoob on April 19, 2010, 09:56:32 PM
I don't think it's about provider coz today there where some ppl who where logged.. probably bots shops etc dont care... anyway why only in nightmare section someone cares about this problem ? THEY SHOULD TELL US HERE TOO! :(
bcz trackzero is the most active GM on DN and the one who really cares about his server
Quote from: QQ_QQ on April 19, 2010, 09:46:24 PM
It's supposed to cause this kind of reaction ;]
problem solved, image blocked ;D ;D
Quote from: JohnyCZE on April 19, 2010, 09:17:38 PM
Hello,
I am not probably right person who would say that but.....
If you wanna start your server at the best way. You have to inform players whats going on. It is not only about this - "SOON! We are opening new server Valkyria 9x". People are waiting for your information about many things and features on server .
for example:
- What about Mutants?
- Can you tell us more about your version of DN subclass?
- Will you implement all drakes "updates" - PVP balancing, 7sign system, Hero (olympiad system)
- Would be possible to sub Kamael into another Kamael class or not?
- Spawn time of bosses and of course will you change Epic Boss Jewelare stats in the same way as drake did
- What about mana potions and another potions fully made by DNet, What about DNet tattoes
- And last but not least, When you are going open server?
Please, can you try to keep us informated about server status. We are YOUR players and we should be on the 1st place for you.
No players = no money = no money = no server = no fun! Thats bad.....
Thank you for your work and i wish you a good luck and a lot of online players.
Let me say a word from me.
They already gave info about some of those features like
- What about Mutants? No mutants (pff)
- Would be possible to sub Kamael into another Kamael class or not?No
- What about mana potions and another potions fully made by DNet, What about DNet tattoesMana pots - yes
About other features, like sub-system etc they said they won't give any more info till server stand up, because of "leechers".
To Descent and Torn:
I really respect you and I'm damn happy that you are working on this (prolly my last l2) server, but let me say you one thing (not as pushing you, just simple advice)
When someone see that new Dn server is starting, he want to check how it'll look like, is it worth to play or no, so he log on our forum, go to Val 9x -> announcments -> wtf no info topic ? And he see only "we won't give more info till serverr start", and yet, he can't see even server ETA of open.
So he think 1) freak this (we lost player)
2) I'm gonna check in some time. Lets say, you open server in 1 week, and he check in 3 weeks, and he'll see server is already 2 weeks, so he think
a) Ok I'll try
b) freak this (we lost player)
So, if you can count and read, you lost 3/4 of incoming players (not from DN, new ones) by this. Is it worth?
And even ppl who are from dn, doesn't read this forum every day, and they can't really find info (for ex. you said no mutants) in one of 300 posts full of spam, in some random topic.
It would be really great if you can make one post, with features and info, everyone would be happy, and some spammers and kids would finally shut up (I'm not pointing at anyone ;) ).
Are you really scared of that someone will steal your subsystem idea and try to code it him self, without having idea how to? Because, IMO, if he know how to, he'll make his own vision, and won't steal idea, and by showing us features you won't share your code with us, will you? ::)
Quote from: Kerth on April 19, 2010, 10:25:06 PM
Let me say a word from me.
They already gave info about some of those features like
- What about Mutants?
No mutants (pff)
- Would be possible to sub Kamael into another Kamael class or not?
No
- What about mana potions and another potions fully made by DNet, What about DNet tattoes
Mana pots - yes
About other features, like sub-system etc they said they won't give any more info till server stand up, because of "leechers".
To Descent and Torn:
I really respect you and I'm damn happy that you are working on this (prolly my last l2) server, but let me say you one thing (not as pushing you, just simple advice)
When someone see that new Dn server is starting, he want to check how it'll look like, is it worth to play or no, so he log on our forum, go to Val 9x -> announcments -> wtf no info topic ? And he see only "we won't give more info till serverr start", and yet, he can't see even server ETA of open.
So he think 1) freak this (we lost player)
2) I'm gonna check in some time. Lets say, you open server in 1 week, and he check in 3 weeks, and he'll see server is already 2 weeks, so he think
a) Ok I'll try
b) freak this (we lost player)
So, if you can count and read, you lost 3/4 of incoming players (not from DN, new ones) by this. Is it worth?
And even ppl who are from dn, doesn't read this forum every day, and they can't really find info (for ex. you said no mutants) in one of 300 posts full of spam, in some random topic.
It would be really great if you can make one post, with features and info, everyone would be happy, and some spammers and kids would finally shut up (I'm not pointing at anyone ;) ).
Are you really scared of that someone will steal your subsystem idea and try to code it him self, without having idea how to? Because, IMO, if he know how to, he'll make his own vision, and won't steal idea, and by showing us features you won't share your code with us, will you? ::)
Thats the only thing I understand, everything else I don't know WTF U ARE TALKIN ABOUT O_o
Quote from: Je-zus on April 19, 2010, 10:32:26 PM
Thats the only thing I understand, everything else I don't know WTF U ARE TALKIN ABOUT O_o
KK, quick nerd explaination for you.
I've explained to them, why they should give info. If they don't care bout it, it's their choice.
Btw, did you saw below this what you marked red, I've wrote TO DESCENT AND TORN? Are you one of them? No, so you didn't have even to read this, beacause I haven't bothered to wrote this so you can think what I'm talking about. Not your concer, go sleep.
Quote from: Kerth on April 19, 2010, 11:28:46 PM
KK, quick nerd explaination for you.
I've explained to them, why they should give info. If they don't care bout it, it's their choice.
Btw, did you saw below this what you marked red, I've wrote TO DESCENT AND TORN? Are you one of them? No, so you didn't have even to read this, beacause I haven't bothered to wrote this so you can think what I'm talking about. Not your concer, go sleep.
You didnt said this? "Bb valkyria"
Just leave! I can not see any longer your retarted moving avatar ,you little cry monkey
And if you were clever...,you could see that mutants will be normal like any other server but you aren't...
And that is the proof..
Quote from: Descent on April 15, 2010, 03:05:33 PM
Torn was probably misinterpreted by the term ‘Mutant’, please wait for the release note I will post prior the launch of the server to clear everything up including how the new sub system will work. But I can assure you that if your class was human you wouldn’t be able to dn sub to any other class than human. So in terms of ‘mutants’ on Valkyria? No.
Quote from: Kerth on April 15, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Bb Val
they will only answer us if we insult them, if we dont insult they wont answer for sure..
i started to like that Torn and Descent cuz they answer us on forum, now they dont care anymore :-\
ofc valkyria wont start this month as they said, first fail.
( i will play there for sure, but no1 knows when it will open -.- )
I dunno u guys but I sincerely prefer quiet GM's that just inform when is worth informing than spammer Gm's that are 24/7 posting just talking crap and saying : we are working on it, we are working on it, we are fixing it, we are considering it, we are... bla bla and then they really dont do a shit.
Maybe those 2 have had some issue with their pc's that dont allow them to connect to forum, maybe theyre not giving any more info ( to avoid leechers ) and theyre runing a closed " secret " beta test to avoid useless and stupid Open Betas that normally are full of ppl that dont test a crap...
It can be lots of things, but guys, dont get mad, if u think logically, they got the server machine, so they have to pay for it, this means theyre the first ones that are interested in running this server cuz a offline server doesnt give u any money, and I think they know it very well.
If I were u guys, I would try to bring back all ur friends and old clanmates as much as u can, and see if we can enjoy again what old times in Dragon Network meant to be
+1 for that. amen.
Quote from: cumshot on April 20, 2010, 08:11:52 PM
I dunno u guys but I sincerely prefer quiet GM's that just inform when is worth informing than spammer Gm's that are 24/7 posting just talking crap and saying : we are working on it, we are working on it, we are fixing it, we are considering it, we are... bla bla and then they really dont do a shit.
Maybe those 2 have had some issue with their pc's that dont allow them to connect to forum, maybe theyre not giving any more info ( to avoid leechers ) and theyre runing a closed " secret " beta test to avoid useless and stupid Open Betas that normally are full of ppl that dont test a crap...
It can be lots of things, but guys, dont get mad, if u think logically, they got the server machine, so they have to pay for it, this means theyre the first ones that are interested in running this server cuz a offline server doesnt give u any money, and I think they know it very well.
If I were u guys, I would try to bring back all ur friends and old clanmates as much as u can, and see if we can enjoy again what old times in Dragon Network meant to be
The issue here isn't, at least in my opinion, that the server opening hasn't occured yet, or that it might take weeks until it's launched.
What I think most people are annoyed with, and me included, is what can be percieved as a lack of respect to the hundreds, if not thousands of people who's currently waiting.
The fact that there has been numerous posts on this forum regarding the lack of information and activity from Descent and Torn makes you wonder whether or not they actually are working at all on fixing whatever issues they've stumbled upon.
We are all greatful and excited about this server. But it really isn't too much to expect, or even demand, that we recieve some kind of report on the progress. I think it would satisfy a lot of people if either Descent or Torn just told us that they're actually working on a few things, and estimate that it could take anything from (whatever time frame you need) to get the server up and running. To either reply or to create a new thread on this forum takes 2 minutes, it's not a matter of lack of time.
Lastly, I hardly think that it's a question of impatience when people start to ask what's going on after having waited for a month. It's a big difference between waiting and being left out in the blue.
In my opinion this lack of info makes no sense :-\
I mean, c'mon, any1 who is going to setup a L2 must have access to the Internet in many ways .. PCs, laptops, mobile phones, lan houses, whatever ... so the problem with PC excuse is not valid I think.
Perhaps they are having some troubles and can't arrange server on time and prefer not to tell until they fix(I don't believe it cuz at first they were giving infos and now suddenly they will stop?). Anyway it's their choise if they eventually decide that way but its not a smart one imo.
So if they dont tell to us whats going on we might lose some players which is bad ... I mean, we can w8 ofc but if they let us know whats going on every1 will be more chilled out :-\ Cuz atm it seems like admins don't care with the community, which is one weakness of this whole network :-X
Quote from: tevebord on April 20, 2010, 11:50:26 PM
The issue here isn't, at least in my opinion, that the server opening hasn't occured yet, or that it might take weeks until it's launched.
What I think most people are annoyed with, and me included, is what can be percieved as a lack of respect to the hundreds, if not thousands of people who's currently waiting.
The fact that there has been numerous posts on this forum regarding the lack of information and activity from Descent and Torn makes you wonder whether or not they actually are working at all on fixing whatever issues they've stumbled upon.
We are all greatful and excited about this server. But it really isn't too much to expect, or even demand, that we recieve some kind of report on the progress. I think it would satisfy a lot of people if either Descent or Torn just told us that they're actually working on a few things, and estimate that it could take anything from (whatever time frame you need) to get the server up and running. To either reply or to create a new thread on this forum takes 2 minutes, it's not a matter of lack of time.
Lastly, I hardly think that it's a question of impatience when people start to ask what's going on after having waited for a month. It's a big difference between waiting and being left out in the blue.
Quote from: DezZzO_ on April 21, 2010, 12:27:17 AM
In my opinion this lack of info makes no sense :-\
I mean, c'mon, any1 who is going to setup a L2 must have access to the Internet in many ways .. PCs, laptops, mobile phones, lan houses, whatever ... so the problem with PC excuse is not valid I think.
Perhaps they are having some troubles and can't arrange server on time and prefer not to tell until they fix(I don't believe it cuz at first they were giving infos and now suddenly they will stop?). Anyway it's their choise if they eventually decide that way but its not a smart one imo.
So if they dont tell to us whats going on we might lose some players which is bad ... I mean, we can w8 ofc but if they let us know whats going on every1 will be more chilled out :-\ Cuz atm it seems like admins don't care with the community, which is one weakness of this whole network :-X
U may be right ofc, but still I think that is not a fact that theyre doing nothing, is just their way of regarding the community that has always been the same in DN.
If u think back, I remeber when DN implemented some updates or take for example IL , it was just lol cuz they announced like 4 months before or so, after they didint said anything else, and then in 1 night aprox without barely any info they turn down the servers, and implemented it ( full of bugs, but there it was ), so this attitude of GM's is the characteristic in this community, u have to get used to it , as I said, there are places where GM's speak a lot with the community ( but most of its talking is useless or false ) and here GM's dont talk much they just say a word 24 hours before some update or so...
I mean, ure right that this lack of info sux, but u just have to get used to it cuz is how it works the community, anyway even if the server was playable this very night ( lets imagine ) , They should at least wait 1 week to open it in order to make a good advertisement campaing among all forums and building a strong community ( to avoid fails like in l2frintezza ).
In conclusion I think one thing is clear, if DN doesnt open this server or fail at it, this network will die for sure .... if they open it succesfully they will take again the leadership on l2 servers, so is clear that they got lot of interest on it.
QuoteUpdate News 08-04-2010
« on: April 08, 2010, 12:18:10 am »
Descent:
We will keep you up to date more regularly and thanks for your patience.
it is kinda childish saying something like that, or they must have big excuse for this long break...