All the people who have shops from yesterday in giran have lots more money (especially dwarfs who sell shots, and healers with mana pots) Also all bugged weapons arnt fixed....i know people who still have all the weapons in inventory.
Not talking about the Luxury Shop Event who is almost an insult to legit players as they have likely no way to ever afford for it.
I must say good job in encouraging exploiters.
This is a place to flame not in game...Jesus cryst shout chanel is flooded..When server will be up GM should start giving chatbans for flooders, cant see a sh1t no more who is selling or who is buying
Quote from: Boolets on May 08, 2010, 04:50:29 PM
All the people who have shops from yesterday in giran have lots more money (especially dwarfs who sell shots, and healers with mana pots) Also all bugged weapons arnt fixed....i know people who still have all the weapons in inventory.
Quote from: Kazuki on May 08, 2010, 05:20:32 PM
Not talking about the Luxury Shop Event who is almost an insult to legit players as they have likely no way to ever afford for it.
I must say good job in encouraging exploiters.
Small downtime to correct some issues. About luxury shop and legit players dont you think is not made for them? Just think before posting
Quote from: Boolets on May 08, 2010, 04:50:29 PM
All the people who have shops from yesterday in giran have lots more money (especially dwarfs who sell shots, and healers with mana pots) Also all bugged weapons arnt fixed....i know people who still have all the weapons in inventory.
Weapons are worth 0. Crys also.
Quote from: Torn on May 08, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
Small downtime to correct some issues. About luxury shop and legit players dont you think is not made for them? Just think before posting
Cause you think many legit player can afford rabbit ears at 150kk ?
How many legit players in the whole server can afford that ? (i said legit, not l2w or bug exploiters)
You must be kidding if you think legit players got so much adenas.
Your make up event is then totally useless for the legit players, only exploiters/l2w can afford it (except maybe just few legit dwarfs but isn't it supposed to be a make up for the whole server ?)
And luxury shop event is a very smart and tactical step of GM"s. Think before posting, just think, and less crying its just a game.
Quote from: ChujoZord on May 08, 2010, 05:24:43 PM
Weapons are worth 0. Crys also.
Ya exactly, but problem is there are other places where you can actually sell. We are fixing that + few some other things, and well i know its annoying but is better to hold a bit then wipe and rollback.
lol, valkyria now reminds me of dragon with these restarts/downtimes ::) ;D
fix the bugs gms asap and keep up the good work :)
Quote from: Torn on May 08, 2010, 05:30:17 PM
Ya exactly, but problem is there are other places where you can actually sell. We are fixing that + few some other things, and well i know its annoying but is better to hold a bit then wipe and rollback.
Im not trying to be a d1ck, but what about money that people have from private shops because everything is bought? You will just leave it or you can actually do something about it without rollback? if so i would like to know pls
Option 1. Im a fair player i farm/make adena they are hard to get. Will i buy rabbit years for 150kk or luna for 600kk,freak,no way,never,beter farm them.
Option 2. Im an exploiter i have xxxx crystals and 999 adena but cant sell crystals to shop anymore. Oh look i can exchange them for adena in luxury, cool, now i have 999999 adena i can buy rabbit years/luna/hellfire oil and every crap from luxury (i got this adena from nowhere i dont care anyway)
Remember all you do stays in the logs, and since we have an issue in the server gms are taking this under very high supervising till it be solved. Luxury event is for temptation to lure those who exploited out of they caves and punish them. Guys use your heads.
Quote from: sausrainis on May 08, 2010, 05:37:29 PM
Option 1. Im a fair player i farm/make adena they are hard to get. Will i buy rabbit years for 150kk or luna for 600kk,freak,no way,never,beter farm them.
Option 2. Im an exploiter i have xxxx crystals and 999 adena but cant sell crystals to shop anymore. Oh look i can exchange them for adena in luxury, cool, now i have 999999 adena i can buy rabbit years/luna/hellfire oil and every crap from luxury (i got this adena from nowhere i dont care anyway)
Remember all you do stays in the logs, and since we have an issue in the server gms are taking this under very high supervising till it be solved. Luxury event is for temptation to lure those who exploited out of they caves and punish them. Guys use your heads.
That doesnt answer my question, not everybody is going to go buy all that sh1t in the lux shop.....and you posting this here doesnt help now that everyone knows hahaha :P
whi the bug to much players buy Enchants.. shots, pots, parts mats, pay second calss change of friens.. and more!
same whit CH... the ppl make to much money making duals and crys C whit it. and sell it in stores... later buy all items in shops of giran/gludio/aden... or sell crys C to the ppl for more of 3k.. what we go to do whit it? small clans just farm.. 50kk.. or near.. but bigs clans farm amazing amounts of adena!! i know 1 clans that have 3 ch whit 2nd clans.. dont fvck me.. this server need a roll back! i know that i go to lost all that i have, me second class was played whit weapons QQ.. and if roll backs afect the server all of us go to need make quest of second class... but this server dont have other way to fix all damage of this poors bugs.
I know that GMs think in help ppl whit the weapons QQ, but GMs... u ever think that some guys will try to find the way, to have a benefits of this "newbiehelps"
the server can be fixed.. the adena of crys is lost on items, shots, weapons, 2nd class.. u can wipe it. i want know hou u go to fix it.
tnx and sorry my english
Quote from: Boolets on May 08, 2010, 05:40:05 PM
That doesnt answer my question, not everybody is going to go buy all that sh1t in the lux shop.....and you posting this here doesnt help now that everyone knows hahaha :P
i think you are one of those guys siting in a cave with exploited adena
ffs ppl....think one second...he's doing it to all ppl that got adena waste it...and the flood end. . . .
even the ppl that have weapons wont sell the crystalz now...its all about time to adena back to normal now
+1 to gms
Quote from: Torn on May 08, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
Small downtime to correct some issues. About luxury shop and legit players dont you think is not made for them? Just think before posting
Im totally confused, and now i dont understand anything.....
For who you made the luxury shop like that? i mean the things which are buyable there now as part of an "event". Do you think that, exploiters will buy these things for 600kk ??
Just think before do smth pls.
Quote from: Neozinhu on May 08, 2010, 05:42:27 PM
ffs ppl....think one second...he's doing it to all ppl that got adena waste it...and the flood end. . . .
even the ppl that have weapons wont sell the crystalz now...its all about time to adena back to normal now
+1 to gms
cause you think all exploiters are going to waste their adenas on that ? i really doubt so, most will keep it for more useful use.
Thinking that all exploiters will necessary go and buy in luxury shop is really wrong.
Quote from: Kazuki on May 08, 2010, 05:45:11 PM
cause you think all exploiters are going to waste their adenas on that ? i really doubt so, most will keep it for more useful use.
Thinking that all exploiters will necessary go and buy in luxury shop is really wrong.
the best that can do now is buy C grades @ shops...and they wont recover the money in the same quantity
have lots of money make u waste in useless things....obviously..not all...but some "wanna be cool guy" will buy
We are not flaming you torn, you said you can fix this without wipe/rollback. We only want to know how you will do it so we can analyze what will work. This is not only your problem is our problem too. Your event thing was clever, but not all fish will bite the bait.
Quote from: Neozinhu on May 08, 2010, 05:48:29 PM
the best that can do now is buy C grades @ shops...and they wont recover the money in the same quantity
have lots of money make u waste in useless things....obviously..not all...but some "wanna be cool guy" will buy
Sure some will buy in Luxury Shop, but what about all others ? is it fine to let them have load of adenas and be able to buy anything they want ?
Quote from: Kazuki on May 08, 2010, 05:51:01 PM
Sure some will buy in Luxury Shop, but what about all others ? is it fine to let them have load of adenas and be able to buy anything they want ?
Stop listening rumors please, there is not "loads" of adena around, i mean in the end use common sense who could check better amount of adena players or us? And dont you think if there is "loads" adena around that colapse server dont you think we wouldnt rollback server those 4 pitty hours? I just ask you to use logic nothing else.Thanks
I can enjoy my game even if i know someone got lucky and made profit out of bug. Theyr adena eventually will run out, and all will be back to normal. I dont cry because i dont give a shit. When my time comes il have my hard worked items and still enjoy playing, because i did everythong on my own. For real, stop crying, its just a game.
I dont see any problem GM to make 12 h rollback ! And you ? Or you got so much money for 12 hours ? WTF? Make rollback and thats it .
Quote from: Torn on May 08, 2010, 05:52:58 PM
Stop listening rumors please, there is not "loads" of adena around, i mean in the end use common sense who could check better amount of adena players or us? And dont you think if there is "loads" adena around that colapse server dont you think we wouldnt rollback server those 4 pitty hours? I just ask you to use logic nothing else.Thanks
sure they might not have load of adenas right now, but what about items that they might sell later ?
Plus if you had fixed everything the bug created as you seem to claim, why put price so high in the luxury shop, isn't it contradictory ?
Quote from: Torn on May 08, 2010, 05:52:58 PM
Stop listening rumors please, there is not "loads" of adena around, i mean in the end use common sense who could check better amount of adena players or us? And dont you think if there is "loads" adena around that colapse server dont you think we wouldnt rollback server those 4 pitty hours? I just ask you to use logic nothing else.Thanks
rofl , this seems to be an imposible will , torn ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Boolets on May 08, 2010, 05:49:13 PM
We are not flaming you torn, you said you can fix this without wipe/rollback. We only want to know how you will do it so we can analyze what will work. This is not only your problem is our problem too. Your event thing was clever, but not all fish will bite the bait.
you are not here to analyse you are here to play
Quote from: sausrainis on May 08, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
I can enjoy my game even if i know someone got lucky and made profit out of bug. Theyr adena eventually will run out, and all will be back to normal. I dont cry because i dont give a shit. When my time comes il have my hard worked items and still enjoy playing, because i did everythong on my own. For real, stop crying, its just a game.
+9328173918 to this...
finnaly someone that dont think that his pocket
Stop listening rumors please, there is not "loads" of adena around, i mean in the end use common sense who could check better amount of adena players or us? And dont you think if there is "loads" adena around that colapse server dont you think we wouldnt rollback server those 4 pitty hours? I just ask you to use logic nothing else.Thanks
So make short Rollback 4 pitty hours as you said .
Stop cry abaut freaking roll back Gm know what he should to do
Quote from: DarkGirlsS on May 08, 2010, 06:03:21 PM
Stop cry abaut freaking roll back Gm know what he should to do
Don't know for earned adena, but there was many guys who was sell items,shots,emp and recs and they lose their things.
Only good is that I wasn't oen of them :P
rollback ... no thx....
i got 3 A grade full drops in that time and many more rare things like MED LS 76,..
Quote from: Austrian3 on May 08, 2010, 06:06:14 PM
rollback ... no thx....
i got 3 A grade full drops in that time and many more rare things like MED LS 76,..
hmm prety lucky
Torn: Small downtime to correct some missing things.
Fragzilla: How long is a small downtime ?
Anyway looking foraward to taking part in pvps and olly :)))
Quote from: Austrian3 on May 08, 2010, 06:15:44 PM
Torn: Small downtime to correct some missing things.
Fragzilla: How long is a small downtime ?
yeah precise question, how long is is going to take ? :F
Quote from: lL...2l on May 08, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
TBH you sissies sound so pathetic after such emo posts. This GM guy is trying to do things for you not to lose your freaking cash, exp and the coins. And you're crying like a freaking japanese whore that it isn't fair. Why won't you simply start thinking instead? This downtime is caused by the will of administration to keep new players playing. It takes 10 minutes to do the rollback, but you cunts just don't get it. People are working to help you out, not making you feel butthurt.
you quoted me like im one of the cry babies and anus-bleeders? :D
Quote from: lL...2l on May 08, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
TBH you sissies sound so pathetic after such emo posts. This GM guy is trying to do things for you not to lose your freaking cash, exp and the coins. And you're crying like a freaking japanese whore that it isn't fair. Why won't you simply start thinking instead? This downtime is caused by the will of administration to keep new players playing. It takes 10 minutes to do the rollback, but you cunts just don't get it. People are working to help you out, not making you feel butthurt.
First - Can't you express your point of view without insulting, is this the way you "argue' ?
Second - As GM said, the bug didn't last too long (4-5h) but the downtime to fix it have been way longer. don't you think it would have been easier to rollback ? if people had been able to play right after, the 4-5h rollback would already be memories.
Third - We do know they are trying their best but when you see something wrong going on, it's normal to tell it. How do you want the server to evolve if the players should always just shut up and play ?
Quote from: Lecktor on May 08, 2010, 05:55:10 PM
for example i had 600 c grade weapons in mine wh+frieght ,means that i can make crystals and make b grade crystals
so this bugg give me free bssb and ssb 4 ever ??????????????
so chitors win again :(
ROLLBACK!!!!!!
i agree with this ppl go make ssb/bssb , buy a/b crystals at luxury and make money with this Rollback+2
Quote from: lL...2l on May 08, 2010, 07:07:13 PM
Firstly - it's just pising me off that every single moron is making a new thread to express his/her butthurt, so no - i cant express it otherways.
Secondly - you cannot imagine how much money you can get for 4-5 hours, I gained around 2k donation coins from coin exploit on nm in actually 1-2 hours. Rollback is easier way too easier to the leadership, but will it be easier to community to accept a rollback? No. Personaly I know a lot of people who would just quit if they log in with a rollbacked character.
Thirdly - there is a bug, it has to be fixed. That is too obvious. Actually the leadership did a PERFECT job already, since they founf out that there's a bug in 4-5 hours. It took about, how much, a week or two to find out the coins exploit on NM? (thanks to the cunt who "leads" the server lol HI TRACKZERO :3). More than that, you' are forgetting the fact that GM(s) of Valk DO NOT get paid, at least that's what I think, so don't wait them to stay around 24/7, they're having the lives too I suppose.
First - Because you're pissed you can't help to insult ? damn, good thing everybody isn't like you, otherwise it will get us nowhere if everybody was insulting.
Second - 4-5h is so much of a big deal that it would make some people leave ? seriously, if they leave for such a small rollback, well be it... for me they were never interested in the game to begin with.
And seriously, how much donation coin do you think people could have made while the downtime ? your argument is not serious here as it would only be a 4-5h rollback and the downtime have been longer, if it was the other way around i could understand but on this case, the downtime is longer than the rollback would have been.
Third - They didn't spend all this time fixing the bug but correcting his consequence on the server, it must take a long time to go through the logs checking who bought item at 0 adenas, wiping those accounts's adenas etc... fixing the bug and rolling back would have been way faster.
Of course it is if they have a backup from right before the change they made... but managing a server like this, it's common sense to backup before every change you make so i believe they got the backup.
Quote from: lL...2l on May 08, 2010, 07:07:13 PM
Firstly - it's just pising me off that every single moron is making a new thread to express his/her butthurt, so no - i cant express it otherways.
Secondly - you cannot imagine how much money you can get for 4-5 hours, I gained around 2k donation coins from coin exploit on nm in actually 1-2 hours. Rollback is easier way too easier to the leadership, but will it be easier to community to accept a rollback? No. Personaly I know a lot of people who would just quit if they log in with a rollbacked character.
Thirdly - there is a bug, it has to be fixed. That is too obvious. Actually the leadership did a PERFECT job already, since they founf out that there's a bug in 4-5 hours. It took about, how much, a week or two to find out the coins exploit on NM? (thanks to the cunt who "leads" the server lol HI TRACKZERO :3). More than that, you' are forgetting the fact that GM(s) of Valk DO NOT get paid, at least that's what I think, so don't wait them to stay around 24/7, they're having the lives too I suppose.
Maybe u have right but i dont want to play with players which have 2kkk+ (maybe in items like cry/ ssb etc.) in 1 week on 9x rate server...
That is cheating and i want to play fair.
WIPE !
I dont get it...Why wasting time on complicated solution and keep making players disappointed with server downtimes, instead to applyi a simple and easy solution as rollback 4-8-12 hours dunno, to fix the problem at all.
Some hours lost cause of rollback are nothing if compared to a month playing.
Quote from: lL...2l on May 08, 2010, 07:32:27 PM
I wouldn't call my pre-previous post so much insulting actually. 4-5 hours is while, yeah. As I already said, they do waste their time for free, do not forget that. About the downtime and the amount of money - I can tell you for sure, all the coins I reached from the donation coins bug werern't lost, i kept all of them, though I did a lot of actions to hide them. Doubtfully people who exploited the cash did this job, but you won't ever find out anyway. Tracking the logs would take weeks, if you want to punish them for real and if they're not brainless, ofcourse the leadership will not do this, you're right. And aboutthe third part, I_ would repeat myself again - I strongly doubt any person would waste an entire day to work out the problems of someone else for free.
The problem is that the bug is fixed but not his consequences.
So yes they wiped adenas from account who bought weapons at 0, but they left the weapons !!
So some ppl still have a load of weapon ready to crystallize and make money with whenever they need.
The luxury shop with high price that likely none legit players can afford is a good proof that it's not really fixed.
If GMs hope people will spend their money in luxury shop... they are seriously taking their hopes too high.
Most of people will keep it for later use like buying part/recipe/mats and craft whatever they want.
And with adenas drop at 3x for other players, there is no way we can outbid them.
So do you still think a rollback wouldn't have been better ? mostly when it would only have been a small one and really would have fixed the problem unlike what we have now
so, the point is Wipe server please. No1 made donate so it wont be bad for donaters, people just started to play here 1 week ago so this is not problem the problem will be if u GM's keep with those things too long and then need wipe .. this will be very bad at all
i think u wont lose any player for wipe server.
so please take a look at players and make what is better to server.
Make 1 poll about wipe and you will see what we think.
dont spam please and lets wait for any Admin to answer about it.
Thanks and GL with server
They dont make wape ,(too much work for them :-X)
I come to Vlakyria i think it will be server like OLD SHADOW x10!
But you don't do nothing to fix it......
If you make NEXT down to fix BUGGERS you lose next players.
Now the server dosn't "top" ,but "top fail".-Sry i need to say that.
Quote from: Voltage on May 08, 2010, 09:04:04 PM
They dont make wape ,(too much work for them :-X)
I come to Vlakyria i think it will be server like OLD SHADOW x10!
But you don't do nothing to fix it......
If you make NEXT down to fix BUGGERS you lose next players.
Now the server dosn't "top" ,but "top fail".-Sry i need to say that.
You say its a fail server but you keep trying to log every 2 minutes camping when server going to be up again, am i wrong?
You are pissing in your own plate, do you realise that?
You guys dont realize there will be no wipe/rollback!!!! thats that!!!
We need to focus on future problems now! such as....a/s in shop
4 days server start already have a-weaps, next week is S-incoming. Why dont we work to fix this now instead of bitching about past? I thought this coin system was little noobie helper, not life of server. Everyday that S weaps exist on coin, L2W users getting that much closer.
Quote from: sausrainis on May 08, 2010, 09:20:24 PM
You say its a fail server but you keep trying to log every 2 minutes camping when server going to be up again, am i wrong?
You are pissing in your own plate, do you realise that?
Maybe he just hope for the server to get better don't you think ?
If it doesn't bother you that many people can make load of adenas whenever they want when you have to make adenas with 3x rate, it's your point of view, respect that people might not be like you and care for it.
I don't like a server on which cheater can't get away with their exploit and later mess the server with adenas get by that.
Plus you can't tell me that if they had done a rollback from the beginning, there wouldn't be so many people complaining
Make a vote: Weather remove S grade from shops or not. Since there are S grade for coins big part of pve is staying behind the door. Imiss those pvps in Imperiat toomb for the spot. In my opinion remove S grade from coin shop, with so many l2w users there will be ppl runing with S weapons very fast.
<Dear Bolets>
It keeping fail dude.
look.....If ppl make in 2-days som+acu MUCH of crones,L2W it is not fail?
Im just w8 and look what will make GM.
Im very intrested .
And what da fu you can know what i'm doing?
Im not looging in every 2 min .
The same thing what i can say is that you now cry do don't make whipe cose you use Bug ore something like that.
Don't try to be smart...
SOM+Acu? Where the hell you gonna level a crystal 12 in the very first week of server?
Quote from: Voltage on May 08, 2010, 09:29:20 PM
<Dear Bolets>
It keeping fail dude.
look.....If ppl make in 2-days som+acu MUCH of crones,L2W it is not fail?
Im just w8 and look what will make GM.
Im very intrested .
And what da fu you can know what i'm doing?
Im not looging in every 2 min .
The same thing what i can say is that you now cry do don't make whipe cose you use Bug ore something like that.
Don't try to be smart...
I dont understand half the thing your saying first of all. Im not saying l2w is not fail but you want l2w people with s-grades in first 2 weeks? you are fuking idiot, i dont say anything about wipe so sit and wipe only your ass. I will try to change it yes, i dont sit there playing l2 and taking everything up the ass like you. I play on this server and i would like pvps for all this sh1t, not only pve....but what do you care you are probably only using l2w anyway so this coin is very good for you....retard. For all you who are arguing about it...tell me 1 good thing about S-weapons in coin system? If you dont have anything good then stfu and let the people complain if they want to.
I never used l2W and other SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!Fu*ng moron.
Piss off retard.
If you dont see i dont wanna Coins/and other Crap ....
Than go Exp and stop say that bullsh1ts.
Quote from: Voltage on May 08, 2010, 09:54:20 PM
I never used l2W and other SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!Fu*ng moron.
Piss off retard.
If you dont see i dont wanna Coins/and other Crap ....
Than go Exp and stop say that bullsh1ts.
If you dont want coins then dont start to b1tch when people trying to change it
Dude i say something,Stop freaking coppy my reply and write this Bullshits..