Dear Gm's!
As we have seen, you can do custom things on valkyria, so pls let's think about this thing which can be very good for everybody and with it, the game would be more balanced:
Make the dances and songs to the 3rd buff line like in offical servers, or like in any other gracia server if it's possible
Now, when you fixed the biggest problems, you may can think about it.
Waiting for your answers
They kind'a already are :P
Plus its not nesesery since you can Get Divine book's :)
Quote from: Biolo_idiota on May 31, 2010, 07:46:53 PM
They kind'a already are :P
Plus its not nesesery since you can Get Divine book's :)
With divine books you have only 24 buffslot. Its slight for fighters since there are self buffs, and chance skills like counter dash, etc...
Quote from: Biolo_idiota on May 31, 2010, 07:46:53 PM
They kind'a already are :P
Plus its not nesesery since you can Get Divine book's :)
Havent you seen a gracia server, have you?
Because if you had seen you wouldnt have say things like that : "they kinda already are"....
I just dont wanna hear QQ(and GM's shouldnt, that's the reason why they need to change it) because of my pwnz0r fighter got 10k dmg from a nuker, because i dont have enough slot for buffs like resists and others....
Why do you think that the Ncsoft put the songs and dances into the 3rd line?....
THINK AGAIN
for 1st it isn't gracia server
for 2nd if you're skilled player u should know how to buff yourself with 22-24 buffslots
its not about that i want tobuff me with invigor and kiss of eva, but a imagine a des/tyr:
1.iMov
2.iCon
3.focus+dw
4.iCombat
5.mdef
6.gmight
7.zerk
8. elemental prot
9. chant of prot
10. cov
11. cp buff (sg of paagrio)
12. unholy res
13. some resist
14. prayer
15. totem
16. zealot
17. frenzy
18. chp
19. pattack pot
20. pdef/mdef pot
and you have 4 slot for dance and song.
I know that not all the buffs are important but they're useful. And actually 4 song and dance. In a pvp i use min. 7 and can be 9. So...
Quote from: Ashee on June 01, 2010, 01:19:24 AM
its not about that i want tobuff me with invigor and kiss of eva, but a imagine a des/tyr:
1.iMov
2.iCon
3.focus+dw
4.iCombat
5.mdef
6.gmight
7.zerk
8. elemental prot
9. chant of prot
10. cov
11. cp buff (sg of paagrio)
12. unholy res
13. some resist
14. prayer
15. totem
16. zealot
17. frenzy
18. chp
19. pattack pot
20. pdef/mdef pot
and you have 4 slot for dance and song.
I know that not all the buffs are important but they're useful. And actually 4 song and dance. In a pvp i use min. 7 and can be 9. So...
Yes, and as i said before, you didnt count on counter dash, blessing of queen, item skills, slot for debuffs, mana pots and so on...
Quotefor 1st it isn't gracia server
for 2nd if you're skilled player u should know how to buff yourself with 22-24 buffslots
1st Its works on other hellbound server too.
2nd If you are skilled player you know fighters need more buff than mages, so you must know 22-24 buffslot isnt enough during siege/masspvp.
on dnet, u get 2 more buff slots per book learned, and it won't be hard to get at least book lvl 2
on retail i have 23 buffs on my bishop ( need to be hero to get the 4th book so .. :) ) and sometimes i can get overbuff, even if dances/songs are on 3rd line of buffs. most mage hit me on retail is 900 normal damage and 3 - 3.5k crits but that's a lot of damage compared to other classes:
archers - 1.5k-2k
daggers ... 3k frontal to 7-8k on a backstab
mage - <1k - 3,3.5k crits ..
and still mage parties are the most feared ones :) ..... for a melee party like ours (we're a very good party ) killing a GOOD mage party is close to impossible, main reason being cancel .. if you have the badluck of getting nobless canceled .. you're fcked :)
Quote from: k0rina on June 01, 2010, 11:22:59 AM
not rly u suggest this cuz u mostly care for urself
u cant have all resists all time for mages so learn to buff properly correct
Like they are now are ok
im mage, and i'll be mage... and at the moment im at fighters' side... what re you talking about?
btw: if it's a HB server, why the prophecies work as they work atm?
it is true, in hb dances and songs should not be counted into the 20-24 limit..
Quote from: Ashee on June 01, 2010, 01:19:24 AM
its not about that i want tobuff me with invigor and kiss of eva, but a imagine a des/tyr:
1.iMov
2.iCon
3.focus+dw
4.iCombat
5.mdef
6.gmight
7.zerk
8. elemental prot
9. chant of prot
10. cov
11. cp buff (sg of paagrio)
12. unholy res
13. some resist
14. prayer
15. totem
16. zealot
17. frenzy
18. chp
19. pattack pot
20. pdef/mdef pot
and you have 4 slot for dance and song.
I know that not all the buffs are important but they're useful. And actually 4 song and dance. In a pvp i use min. 7 and can be 9. So...
DE/TY isn't pvp char so u don't need ressist buffs and your buffbar just loled me :o
also u can delete m barrier, chant of protection, m/p def potion so u have enough slots for dances+songs
Quote from: Toszi
Yes, and as i said before, you didnt count on counter dash, blessing of queen, item skills, slot for debuffs, mana pots and so on...
1st Its works on other hellbound server too.
2nd If you are skilled player you know fighters need more buff than mages, so you must know 22-24 buffslot isnt enough during siege/masspvp.
i've played on x15 mostly on fighters week by week i was on sieges and i hadn't any problem with buffslots so i don't know what is skilled player for u? with zilion ressists and "im a god in pvp"???
+1 for thread starter
+maybe removing buffs by alt+click like at gracia+ would be nice too ;)
So many tears ... Hope it will stay as it is now :>
des/tyr isn't pvp char?
so if I can use your own words: "you just lolled me". At first that "des/tyr isn't pvp char" should mean that you can't go pvp with it?? And I dont think that des/tyr is a worse pvp char than any close range fighter like th or glad. Ive played on Infinity and I saw a few good des/tyr there that could kill bishops and tanks in pvp, which I think, is very useful. So just because u play with mage or archer or i dont know what, it doesnt mean that other classes dont have problem with buffs.
And about zillion resist. I guess then we should play with 4buff slot. So you have to choose very carefully which buffs you want to use.
ofc u can go pvp with de/ty but on sieges/mass pvp no1 care about your needed 30% hp so you're just useless.
and about buffslots... now it's ok and stop crying about it.
There is no point to have all new skills and buffs and especially Dances/Songs in Hellbound if u cant use them.
We are still on c1 buff slots lines.
At least for main classes would be nice to play as retail like buffs,2 lines buffs 1 line dances/songs as its supposed to be.
I'd suggest rather making a special skillbar for self-use skills, mostly due to tank skills x) (not self buffs)
Quote from: nolimits on June 02, 2010, 07:18:19 AM
+maybe removing buffs by alt+click like at gracia+ would be nice too ;)
+1
Bump....
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Quote from: VVlNlAR on June 02, 2010, 03:14:54 AM
DE/TY isn't pvp char so u don't need ressist buffs and your buffbar just loled me :o
also u can delete m barrier, chant of protection, m/p def potion so u have enough slots for dances+songsi've played on x15 mostly on fighters week by week i was on sieges and i hadn't any problem with buffslots so i don't know what is skilled player for u? with zilion ressists and "im a god in pvp"???
ty/de not pvp char!RUFL!So buy you only mages and archers are PvP chars?What a nonsense!
just go on siege/mass pvp and look what will write bp on pt chat when you ask if he can heal you only to 30% hp...
ofc if he isn't your buff bot.
Quote from: VVlNlAR on June 08, 2010, 03:23:27 AM
just go on siege/mass pvp and look what will write bp on pt chat when you ask if he can heal you only to 30% hp...
ofc if he isn't your buff bot.
There are bishops who can deal with it. Ofc not always on 30% HP but try to keep you there. And I remeber when things changed about frenzy and zealot first. When It has effect only on 30% HP and nothing above it. My friend WC/DES buffed the party and when it come to pvp he left the pt used frenzy zealot and went for pvp and i could heal the party :). So you have to be creative.