Suggestion about buffs

[roberts]

Dear Gm's!
As we have seen, you can do custom things on valkyria, so pls let's think about this thing which can be very good for everybody and with it, the game would be more balanced:
Make the dances and songs to the 3rd buff line like in offical servers, or like in any other gracia server if it's possible

Now, when you fixed the biggest problems, you may can think about it.
Waiting for your answers

[Biolo_idiota]

They kind'a already are

Plus its not nesesery since you can Get Divine book's

[Toszi]

They kind'a already are

Plus its not nesesery since you can Get Divine book's

With divine books you have only 24 buffslot. Its slight for fighters since there are self buffs, and chance skills like counter dash, etc...

[roberts]

They kind'a already are

Plus its not nesesery since you can Get Divine book's

Havent you seen a gracia server, have you?

Because if you had seen you wouldnt have say things like that : "they kinda already are"....
I just dont wanna hear QQ(and GM's shouldnt, that's the reason why they need to change it) because of my pwnz0r fighter got 10k dmg from a nuker, because i dont have enough slot for buffs like resists and others....
Why do you think that the Ncsoft put the songs and dances into the 3rd line?....

THINK AGAIN

[VVlNlAR]

for 1st it isn't gracia server
for 2nd if you're skilled player u should know how to buff yourself with 22-24 buffslots

[Ashee]

its not about that i want tobuff me with invigor and kiss of eva, but a imagine a des/tyr:

1.iMov
2.iCon
3.focus+dw
4.iCombat
5.mdef
6.gmight
7.zerk
8. elemental prot
9. chant of prot
10. cov
11. cp buff (sg of paagrio)
12. unholy res
13. some resist
14. prayer
15. totem
16. zealot
17. frenzy
18. chp
19. pattack pot
20. pdef/mdef pot
and you have 4 slot for dance and song.

I know that not all the buffs are important but they're useful. And actually 4 song and dance. In a pvp i use min. 7 and can be 9. So...

[Toszi]

its not about that i want tobuff me with invigor and kiss of eva, but a imagine a des/tyr:

1.iMov
2.iCon
3.focus+dw
4.iCombat
5.mdef
6.gmight
7.zerk
8. elemental prot
9. chant of prot
10. cov
11. cp buff (sg of paagrio)
12. unholy res
13. some resist
14. prayer
15. totem
16. zealot
17. frenzy
18. chp
19. pattack pot
20. pdef/mdef pot
and you have 4 slot for dance and song.

I know that not all the buffs are important but they're useful. And actually 4 song and dance. In a pvp i use min. 7 and can be 9. So...

Yes, and as i said before, you didnt count on counter dash, blessing of queen, item skills, slot for debuffs, mana pots and so on...

for 1st it isn't gracia server
for 2nd if you're skilled player u should know how to buff yourself with 22-24 buffslots

1st Its works on other hellbound server too.
2nd If you are skilled player you know fighters need more buff than mages, so you must know 22-24 buffslot isnt enough during siege/masspvp.

[bourrin]

on dnet, u get 2 more buff slots per book learned, and it won't be hard to get at least book lvl 2

[tzuc]

on retail i have 23 buffs on my bishop ( need to be hero to get the 4th book so .. ) and sometimes i can get overbuff, even if dances/songs are on 3rd line of buffs. most mage hit me on retail is 900 normal damage and 3 - 3.5k crits but that's a lot of damage compared to other classes:

archers - 1.5k-2k
daggers ... 3k frontal to 7-8k on a backstab
mage - <1k - 3,3.5k crits ..

and still mage parties are the most feared ones ..... for a melee party like ours (we're a very good party ) killing a GOOD mage party is close to impossible, main reason being cancel .. if you have the badluck of getting nobless canceled .. you're fcked

[roberts]

not rly    u suggest this cuz u mostly care for urself
u cant have all resists all time for mages so learn to buff properly  correct  
Like they are now are ok

im mage, and i'll be mage... and at the moment im at fighters' side... what re you talking about?

btw: if it's a HB server, why the prophecies work as they work atm?

[jungle]

it is true, in hb dances and songs should not be counted into the 20-24 limit..

[VVlNlAR]

its not about that i want tobuff me with invigor and kiss of eva, but a imagine a des/tyr:

1.iMov
2.iCon
3.focus+dw
4.iCombat
5.mdef
6.gmight
7.zerk
8. elemental prot
9. chant of prot
10. cov
11. cp buff (sg of paagrio)
12. unholy res
13. some resist
14. prayer
15. totem
16. zealot
17. frenzy
18. chp
19. pattack pot
20. pdef/mdef pot
and you have 4 slot for dance and song.

I know that not all the buffs are important but they're useful. And actually 4 song and dance. In a pvp i use min. 7 and can be 9. So...

DE/TY isn't pvp char so u don't need ressist buffs and your buffbar just loled me
also u can delete m barrier, chant of protection, m/p def potion so u have enough slots for dances+songs

Yes, and as i said before, you didnt count on counter dash, blessing of queen, item skills, slot for debuffs, mana pots and so on...

1st Its works on other hellbound server too.
2nd If you are skilled player you know fighters need more buff than mages, so you must know 22-24 buffslot isnt enough during siege/masspvp.

i've played on x15 mostly on fighters week by week i was on sieges and i hadn't any problem with buffslots so i don't know what is skilled player for u? with zilion ressists and "im a god in pvp"