track wtf with cansel...sps is overpower now..this server never have balance??if play in oly with a sws w/o sub is posible to lose..try to fix this sh1t..1 cansel -4 buffs 100% success WTF...
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 16, 2010, 11:46:15 PM
track wtf with cansel...sps is overpower now..this server never have balance??if play in oly with a sws w/o sub is posible to lose..try to fix this sh1t..1 cansel -4 buffs 100% success WTF...
ahahahaha, are you kidding me?
have you played here in c4? Cancel is so freaking nerfed now. What do you want, 0.5% chance for cancel to remove 1 buff? Say "thank" that cancel ain't like it used to be and how it SHOULD be, removing half of bar sometimes.
lol think first and after say it..u want to be 100% success?? so give at all skills 100%.. make song of sillence 100% success...but that is the tru if u are sps u like it...the tru is that and u know..sps is overpower...
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 17, 2010, 12:00:38 AM
lol think first and after say it..u want to be 100% success?? so give at all skills 100%.. make song of sillence 100% success...but that is the tru if u are sps u like it...the tru is that and u know..sps is overpower...
ok, let me explain this: Cancel is not a debuff, strictly speaking. Cancel does not induce any stats-decreasing debuff, like silence in your example, or hex, gloom, etc. It just removes some of the buffs which were INCREASING your stats. And it should be 100% in removing at least 1 buff, or otherwise it would be useless. Actually it should randomly remove between 1 and all of them or smth like that, i dont know the algorythm by heart.
And if you QQ now, try to get arcane chaos landed on you and cancel after, and you'll QQ more. And guess what? That is how cancel SHOULD work. No bug, not overpowered etc. Learn to play.
omg...larn play????3-4 months laters all sps didnt play at oly coz it was 3 skills...all was QQing about that all sps QQing about it and after 3-4 month u see all sps in oly can kill every1???i was with normal items w/o bit atri lvl now i have better items full atri better jewels and sps kill me so easy..so dont tell me learn play...so tell to MrHolidaysAllTheYear to fix the balance...
QuoteRe: wtf with cancer
cancer is op :/
Quote from: trooperXkoki on August 17, 2010, 12:19:54 AM
cancer is op :/
u know about cancer...u have cancer in your ballz so stop to fu ck and play l2 all day...if u want u can still making six...i let u alone to find how...
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 17, 2010, 12:28:56 AM
u know about cancer...u have cancer in your ballz so stop to fu ck and play l2 all day...if u want u can still making six...i let u alone to find how...
i play l2 all day, thats why i Q_Q and open 3 topics per day about how icant kill any one at oly or outside or w/e
Quote from: trooperXkoki on August 17, 2010, 12:31:49 AM
i play l2 all day, thats why i Q_Q and open 3 topics per day about how icant kill any one at oly or outside or w/e
some ppls play all day some like to work and fu ck girls and some lamer like you like to play l2 all day spam at all forums and make six with shemales...that is your normal life..now get lost and be normal one time...all time spamming but u never have smth to say...all time bullsh1ts..
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 17, 2010, 12:44:21 AM
some ppls play all day some like to work and fu ck girls and some lamer like you like to play l2 all day spam at all forums and make six with shemales...that is your normal life..now get lost and be normal one time...all time spamming but u never have smth to say...all time bullsh1ts..
need clan myb?
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 17, 2010, 12:05:08 AM
ok, let me explain this: Cancel is not a debuff, strictly speaking. Cancel does not induce any stats-decreasing debuff, like silence in your example, or hex, gloom, etc. It just removes some of the buffs which were INCREASING your stats. And it should be 100% in removing at least 1 buff
then why mage / fighters bane is not 100% ? xD at least nerf cancel to not cancel noblesse buff >< is so annoying :D
Quote from: jygh on August 17, 2010, 03:20:04 AM
then why mage / fighters bane is not 100% ? xD at least nerf cancel to not cancel noblesse buff >< is so annoying :D
good point. mage/fightwer bane should be 100%, its not only because some QQers made a flood of tears on the forum because they dont know how to play. On official, its 100% chance.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 17, 2010, 12:05:08 AM
ok, let me explain this: Cancel is not a debuff, strictly speaking. Cancel does not induce any stats-decreasing debuff, like silence in your example, or hex, gloom, etc. It just removes some of the buffs which were INCREASING your stats. And it should be 100% in removing at least 1 buff, or otherwise it would be useless. Actually it should randomly remove between 1 and all of them or smth like that, i dont know the algorythm by heart.
And if you QQ now, try to get arcane chaos landed on you and cancel after, and you'll QQ more. And guess what? That is how cancel SHOULD work. No bug, not overpowered etc. Learn to play.
Silence doesn't decrease any stats either xD
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 17, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
good point. mage/fightwer bane should be 100%, its not only because some QQers made a flood of tears on the forum because they dont know how to play. On official, its 100% chance.
is not 100% anymore? :d fuk
bane is roughly 100% atm; depends on your buffs ;D
abut cancel: i made some tests 2 days ago in coly with 2 SPS/EE (EE + BD/SE buffed) canceling themselves to the bones. result is roughly : 30% chance to cancel 0 buff, 50% chance to cancel 1 buff, 20% chance to cancel 2 buffs. no more...
i have a record -7 buffs whit 1 cancel :D..btw cancel is insane atm
Quote from: jygh on August 17, 2010, 03:20:04 AM
then why mage / fighters bane is not 100% ? xD at least nerf cancel to not cancel noblesse buff >< is so annoying :D
+1 please!! cancel noblesse is da sh1t xD
Dont tell me that u have problems to kill sps/ee/tk/sws with pw/sws on oly..... if yes mb time to change char :D
its normal when i have full buff and sps with 1 cancel all song and danc canceled me? and bane too 90 or 100%chance this is nonsens nerf bane and cancel !
Quote from: Spelso666 on August 17, 2010, 06:15:11 PM
its normal when i have full buff and sps with 1 cancel all song and danc canceled me? and bane too 90 or 100%chance this is nonsens nerf bane and cancel !
LOL. It should be 100% chance in case of banes, LEARN how to play.
and from my own cancel whore experience, cancel is not OP at all
Quote from: Arienrod on August 17, 2010, 10:55:24 AM
bane is roughly 100% atm; depends on your buffs ;D
abut cancel: i made some tests 2 days ago in coly with 2 SPS/EE (EE + BD/SE buffed) canceling themselves to the bones. result is roughly : 30% chance to cancel 0 buff, 50% chance to cancel 1 buff, 20% chance to cancel 2 buffs. no more...
Quoted for truth
ye banes 100% chance MUST BE LIKE U SAID and what with REUSE?!?!?! 2sec a?/?? it should be 5/10mins then if it succed 100%. !
Quote from: Ungolianth on August 17, 2010, 10:50:49 PM
for me cancel is total ok its all mages got now...archers got back their dmg daggers got strong blows and mages hit me on siege for 400 so cancel is their main weapon now...so pls guys stop whine and let their cancel be,,,now is server balanced like long time not
If that mage except cancel can heal his ass for fum,has op sleep skill and 4x slow skills is not so balanced...
Quote from: VforVanilla on August 17, 2010, 11:46:21 PM
If that mage except cancel can heal his ass for fum,has op sleep skill and 4x slow skills is not so balanced...
thats why they are called mages or?
Quote from: VforVanilla on August 17, 2010, 11:46:21 PM
If that mage except cancel can heal his ass for fum,has op sleep skill and 4x slow skills is not so balanced...
but we hit archers for 400 and they crit us for 2-3k. And a full buffed archer crits like once every two hits.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 18, 2010, 12:30:31 AM
but we hit archers for 400 and they crit us for 2-3k. And a full buffed archer crits like once every two hits.
I don't speak for u ause you had dc set :D but generally a good equipped mage with proper buff can't get more than 2k dmg from archer even if the archer is glady.I didn't say your hits do bigger dmg than the one u said (wo magic critical ofc) but in 1vs1 after few cancels and some heals a sps/ee can win anyone.
Quote from: VforVanilla on August 18, 2010, 12:55:23 AM
I don't speak for u ause you had dc set :D but generally a good equipped mage with proper buff can't get more than 2k dmg from archer even if the archer is glady.I didn't say your hits do bigger dmg than the one u said (wo magic critical ofc) but in 1vs1 after few cancels and some heals a sps/ee can win anyone.
indeed, well said. after a few cancels and some heals. That is what a good sps/ee can do in 1 vs 1, but in mass pvp u dont have enough time. Except for long pvps, which are quite rare.
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 16, 2010, 11:46:15 PM
track wtf with cansel...sps is overpower now..this server never have balance??if play in oly with a sws w/o sub is posible to lose..try to fix this sh1t..1 cansel -4 buffs 100% success WTF...
ill tell you 1 little secret: lineage will never be balanced, it will be more and more unbalanced with every new chronicle, even on official
so what you want from dragon-n0twork
WindPhoenix always said learn play...again learn play...again learn play...if that is the answer in ubnormal cansel ok...but play whatever char u want and play vs a sps/anythink...u will stop play l2...but u like to spam here coz u have sps so u like it...some years before u was QQing about orcs...nerfed orcs...after QQ for smth alse dont know dont care nerf it...now u r happy and dont care...pffff ( sry for my english) btw some1 speak about no official....here isnt official...if we want official rules we will go to play there...
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 18, 2010, 01:39:30 AM
WindPhoenix always said learn play...again learn play...again learn play...if that is the answer in ubnormal cansel ok...but play whatever char u want and play vs a sps/anythink...u will stop play l2...but u like to spam here coz u have sps so u like it...some years before u was QQing about orcs...nerfed orcs...after QQ for smth alse dont know dont care nerf it...now u r happy and dont care...pffff ( sry for my english) btw some1 speak about no official....here isnt official...if we want official rules we will go to play there...
I am sure if cancel would be removed or nerfed even more, but if so, then sps/xx will QQ. And the GM must somehow keep the ballance between floods of tears on the forum. And cancel must work, otherwise, why it exists?
Quote from: VforVanilla on August 18, 2010, 12:55:23 AM
I don't speak for u ause you had dc set :D but generally a good equipped mage with proper buff can't get more than 2k dmg from archer even if the archer is glady.I didn't say your hits do bigger dmg than the one u said (wo magic critical ofc) but in 1vs1 after few cancels and some heals a sps/ee can win anyone.
i have good eq and archers hit me good dmg and if archer now how to buff i hit very low w/o crits, i think serv is more balance than before u only need to know how to buff.
Quote from: Ungolianth on August 18, 2010, 03:37:03 AM
ur wrong actualy me on my pr/bd with 6000 p attack was doin 2 k crits on temp tanks and 3 k crits on mages..on siege where ppl got fullbuffs..archers now do solid dmg also daggers, everytime when something dont fits some1 ppl whine about it now its rly good and balanced, if u get canceled scream for buffs again ;D
try dual my archer u noob
Quote from: Ungolianth on August 18, 2010, 03:37:03 AM
ur wrong actualy me on my pr/bd with 6000 p attack was doin 2 k crits on temp tanks and 3 k crits on mages..on siege where ppl got fullbuffs..archers now do solid dmg also daggers, everytime when something dont fits some1 ppl whine about it now its rly good and balanced, if u get canceled scream for buffs again ;D
Sorry ungo but a tank with proper buff anti arrow is quite hard to hit 2k crit (only deavon can hit like that :O)
Quote from: Ungolianth on August 18, 2010, 03:37:03 AM
ur wrong actualy me on my pr/bd with 6000 p attack was doin 2 k crits on temp tanks and 3 k crits on mages..on siege where ppl got fullbuffs..archers now do solid dmg also daggers, everytime when something dont fits some1 ppl whine about it now its rly good and balanced, if u get canceled scream for buffs again ;D
I'm curious how you can crit like this - on mage with dc robe ??
I'm sh/bd and i'm getting crit max 1.5k from any pr/xx (hello Kharika and AbyssDancer :) ) so tell us your secret :D :P
it's just a matter of right buffs versus archers or versus mages, permitting in both case to go from 4k to 400 dmgs roughly. it's pretty much the same versus archers or mages ... and :
1) cancel can change it a bit (0, 1 or 2 buffs to overcome = not so much)
2) cancel is not "instant kill" skill contrarily to LS, silence, anchor ...
3) cancel can NOT be over-enchanted
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5016/immaginere.jpg
well get -7 buffs whit 2,4k mdef ( dunno if it matters about cancel ) its no so balanced
plus i crit a sps/es 1,5k whit 6,8k patck so dont tell me that the game is balanced now
Quote from: Tabbox on August 18, 2010, 02:27:31 PM
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5016/immaginere.jpg
well get -7 buffs whit 2,4k mdef ( dunno if it matters about cancel ) its no so balanced
plus i crit a sps/es 1,5k whit 6,8k patck so dont tell me that the game is balanced now
c4 xD
Quote from: Tabbox on August 18, 2010, 02:27:31 PM
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5016/immaginere.jpg
well get -7 buffs whit 2,4k mdef ( dunno if it matters about cancel ) its no so balanced
plus i crit a sps/es 1,5k whit 6,8k patck so dont tell me that the game is balanced now
and i was the only who have problem with cansel ...dude that wasnt cansel that was LOL....windphoenix answer now about balance etc....omg dude wtf...
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 18, 2010, 06:49:06 PM
and i was the only who have problem with cansel ...dude that wasnt cansel that was LOL....windphoenix answer now about balance etc....omg dude wtf...
that screenshot can be from c4 as far as i know. or a very, very VERY lucky cancel. usually its 2-3 buffs. check Arienrod's post.
Post the full screen, this is not c4, but we have to see ur buffs anyway :D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 18, 2010, 08:41:29 PM
that screenshot can be from c4 as far as i know. or a very, very VERY lucky cancel. usually its 2-3 buffs. check Arienrod's post.
removed buffs on screen are from hb, they didnt excist in c4
Yeah nerf cancel and quit ud / vengance and sof penalty with bow ;D
just stop it... cancel is way o/p.. everytime it removes 6 buffs at least.. sometimes even all songs so dont bullsh1t me with 2-3 buffs and sometimes none... 100% - 5,6 buffs
this screen is from hb made about 2 weeks ago...it cant be from c4 cuz she canceled me chant of critical attack and COP.
Quote from: cthon on August 18, 2010, 09:54:10 PM
just stop it... cancel is way o/p.. everytime it removes 6 buffs at least.. sometimes even all songs so dont bullsh1t me with 2-3 buffs and sometimes none... 100% - 5,6 buffs
true :D
Quote from: cthon on August 18, 2010, 09:54:10 PM
just stop it... cancel is way o/p.. everytime it removes 6 buffs at least.. sometimes even all songs so dont bullsh1t me with 2-3 buffs and sometimes none... 100% - 5,6 buffs
ohhhh ... how many nerfs got sps did some1 know it?
nerf recail,nerf party recail,nerf cancel,blizzard didnt work,nerf trance ,nerf etc
maybe next is del sps from game to make u so happy
peace around
Quote from: NiToPaMi on August 19, 2010, 12:17:32 AM
ohhhh ... how many nerfs got sps did some1 know it?
nerf recail,nerf party recail,nerf cancel,blizzard didnt work,nerf trance ,nerf etc
maybe next is del sps from game to make u so happy
peace around
About return/party return no comment... Where you saw blizzard not working? Oh w8 was ok only when was 100%,50% sounds bad...
Quote from: cthon on August 18, 2010, 09:54:10 PM
just stop it... cancel is way o/p.. everytime it removes 6 buffs at least.. sometimes even all songs so dont bullsh1t me with 2-3 buffs and sometimes none... 100% - 5,6 buffs
yes maybe 6 buffs
very rarely, maybe a cancel spam (SPS/ES + pony buff + renewal can do it), maybe several sps canceld u in same time, maybe you r dreaming, maybe too much weed, maybe you miss chant of spirit / arcane protection, maybe OE dyna weapon (but how much IG?, u can't change rule for some players only^^), maybe ...
but seriously u can't say 100% - 5,6 buff XD
find a slave SPS and do some tests :)
Quote from: NiToPaMi on August 19, 2010, 12:17:32 AM
ohhhh ... how many nerfs got sps did some1 know it?
nerf recail,nerf party recail,nerf cancel,blizzard didnt work,nerf trance ,nerf etc
maybe next is del sps from game to make u so happy
peace around
Quote from: Arienrod on August 19, 2010, 10:18:04 AM
yes maybe 6 buffs very rarely, maybe a cancel spam (SPS/ES + pony buff + renewal can do it), maybe several sps canceld u in same time, maybe you r dreaming, maybe too much weed, maybe you miss chant of spirit / arcane protection, maybe OE dyna weapon (but how much IG?, u can't change rule for some players only^^), maybe ...
but seriously u can't say 100% - 5,6 buff XD
find a slave SPS and do some tests :)
im not in the mood to argue with some cancels whores...
Quote from: cthon on August 19, 2010, 11:26:16 AM
im not in the mood to argue with some cancels whores...
then why you bother posting in this thread?
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 19, 2010, 11:33:33 AM
then why you bother posting in this thread?
bcz he is jelous :D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 19, 2010, 11:33:33 AM
then why you bother posting in this thread?
cause i heard to many bullshits so i just wanted to tell how the real facts are... not stories with princess and kings flying on unicorns..
Quote from: NiToPaMi on August 19, 2010, 11:50:22 AM
bcz he is jelous :D
yes i am... im jealous cause i dont QQ cause return was nerfed and i cant escape w/o dieing after i cancel some1 cause i cant do more..
PS : shoot the fuc.k and walk away...
Quote from: cthon on August 19, 2010, 12:02:57 PM
blablabl i am bored blablabla i insult blablabla i should go to bed blabla
convincing :P
http://img831.imageshack.us/f/cancer.jpg/ (http://img831.imageshack.us/f/cancer.jpg/) 1-2 month ago
Do not sat -ahaaaaa 6 sps cancel you in same time, one fail other 5 remove you x1 buff
Quote from: Ungolianth on August 19, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
actualy adi what piss u mostly? that u cant go solo vs pt of mages like before only with logged bots? well as i said try make parties and then u wont have this problem, actualy all mages got now is cancel or debuffs since their dmg is again low so why u wanna take them even the last thing they got
i never complained about dmg... when everyone was QQing about it i didnt say a sh1t cause i handle it pretty well.. necros were hitting the hardest and i got from the best ones like luci and voudas and other max 200 if it wasnt crit... the only one that can give me a pretty decent dmg is messallina on his new char...
and im not complaining about cancel either im just telling u ,it removes 5-6 buffs everytime...
Quote from: cthon on August 19, 2010, 05:14:32 PM
i never complained about dmg... when everyone was QQing about it i didnt say a sh1t cause i handle it pretty well.. necros were hitting the hardest and i got from the best ones like luci and voudas and other max 200 if it wasnt crit... the only one that can give me a pretty decent dmg is messallina on his new char...
and im not complaining about cancel either im just telling u ,it removes 5-6 buffs everytime...
what's new char this naab got ?
Quote from: Ungolianth on August 20, 2010, 03:05:14 AM
i subbed that char and its only borrowed not his :p
i got one too :p but without donated stuff its 2 shoot char XD
Quote from: seboulba on August 20, 2010, 02:13:08 PM
i got one too :p but without donated stuff its 2 shoot char XD
simply u dont know how to play sps/es QQ
pm me for free lessons of playing ES/SPS. I might be in a good mood and teach you ;D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 20, 2010, 07:30:15 PM
pm me for free lessons of playing ES/SPS. I might be in a good mood and teach you ;D
me > wind > gonzal ;D
Quote from: Neozinhu on August 20, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
me > wind > gonzal ;D
u got at least dyna set xD
Major arcana FTW :D :D
Quote from: Gonzal on August 20, 2010, 10:25:42 PM
u got at least dyna set xD
Major arcana FTW :D :D
no, i haven't . . .
i have my lovely 3/4yo dc robe set, since i burned all the rest (check sign for detailz) ;D
Origins helped me to make the set btw, why dont u ask ur clan? 8) ;) ;D
Edit:
Major Arcana Instead of DC is basically switch the casting / m.atk values (unbuffed i mean)
CENCEL BOTS !
Quote from: scary on August 21, 2010, 01:48:56 PM
CENCEL BOTS !
+1 btw I was play on few hellbound servers and there cancel had armound 60% to succes and take random 1-4 bufs.
nerf this cancel - removing nobles is fuucked up >:(
Quote from: eagleye on August 22, 2010, 06:56:31 PM
nerf this cancel - removing nobles is fuucked up >:(
isnt only the nobles...before 5 min one cansel remove me 5 fu cking buffs omg...
http://img836.imageshack.us/i/shot00093.png/ chek.. :D
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 22, 2010, 07:18:30 PM
http://img836.imageshack.us/i/shot00093.png/ chek.. :D
less qq, more pew pew menz. what, you're incapable of killing that mage that cancelled you? get real.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 22, 2010, 10:48:07 PM
less qq, more pew pew menz. what, you're incapable of killing that mage that cancelled you? get real.
today 1 cancel removed me noblesse and magnus QQ
the only think i want is that cancel dont remove noblesse....
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 22, 2010, 10:48:07 PM
less qq, more pew pew menz. what, you're incapable of killing that mage that cancelled you? get real.
is not about that but when 3-4 sps cancel u in same time u lose all ur buffs , i'm not Qqing but a increase in reuse would be welcomed cuz a sps/es can spam it every few seconds ::)
Quote from: slimx on August 22, 2010, 11:32:11 PM
is not about that but when 3-4 sps cancel u in same time u lose all ur buffs , i'm not Qqing but a increase in reuse would be welcomed cuz a sps/es can spam it every few seconds ::)
do you like when we mages cry about getting very nasty criticals from archers? or when we complain about the damage from daggers' blows? well, guess what. We sps/es had taken away magic crit rate (nerfed), pony power (nerfed pony), blizzard (nerfed) and now you want to take us away cancel as well?
Why dont you just ask for 1 HP and 1 CP for all sps, so that you'll be sure you win, huh?
I find it very lame how people always want their class to be the best, so they QQ on forum that the other classes should be nerfed, so they wont put up a fight.
You want cancel nerfed? K, but make attack speed for archers half or smth like that.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 23, 2010, 12:28:14 AM
do you like when we mages cry about getting very nasty criticals from archers? or when we complain about the damage from daggers' blows? well, guess what. We sps/es had taken away magic crit rate (nerfed), pony power (nerfed pony), blizzard (nerfed) and now you want to take us away cancel as well?
Why dont you just ask for 1 HP and 1 CP for all sps, so that you'll be sure you win, huh?
I find it very lame how people always want their class to be the best, so they QQ on forum that the other classes should be nerfed, so they wont put up a fight.
You want cancel nerfed? K, but make attack speed for archers half or smth like that.
:o easy there cowboy geez... and last time i checked i had mage char :D
btw dunno why u cry so much since u barely play ur char ::)
Quote from: slimx on August 22, 2010, 11:32:11 PM
a sps/es can spam it every few seconds ::)
i've compared, seems like cancel have static reuse, bcuz its impossible to make it with low reuse. SPS/EE, SPS/ES have the same reuse with ES having 800+ casting spd points than EE
The number of canceled stuff and the "remove noblesse thing" is the point...imo...smth changed in that ninja update that LS high 80 were working, just make it like was before.
My english is sak, but i think that u (not only slimx, but all) understood it :)
Quote from: Neozinhu on August 23, 2010, 04:20:12 AM
i've compared, seems like cancel have static reuse, bcuz its impossible to make it with low reuse. SPS/EE, SPS/ES have the same reuse with ES having 800+ casting spd points than EE
The number of canceled stuff and the "remove noblesse thing" is the point...imo...smth changed in that ninja update that LS high 80 were working, just make it like was before.
My english is sak, but i think that u (not only slimx, but all) understood it :)
Enchant arcane agility +reuse :P
Quote from: Gonzal on August 23, 2010, 05:41:16 AM
Enchant arcane agility +reuse :P
I did, wasnt working ;D
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 22, 2010, 07:18:30 PM
http://img836.imageshack.us/i/shot00093.png/ chek.. :D
ye he should take max 4
i read this post and let me write some words.
i see lot of people and jelous about cancelation? lets talk a bit did some1 know what is "cancelation"
?????
Cancelation -REMOVES MULTIPLE BUFFS FROM AN ENEMY
so stop 1 time to QQ ing about sps skills bcz they are so weak now if u countinued with QQ ing we can remove sps from game just del them all
ty for advice LOVE AND PEACE around
Quote from: NiToPaMi on August 24, 2010, 12:36:30 PM
i read this post and let me write some words.
i see lot of people and jelous about cancelation? lets talk a bit did some1 know what is "cancelation"
?????
Cancelation -REMOVES MULTIPLE BUFFS FROM AN ENEMY
so stop 1 time to QQ ing about sps skills bcz they are so weak now if u countinued with QQ ing we can remove sps from game just del them all
ty for advice LOVE AND PEACE around
delete ur forum account imbecil . sps r hard just put holy in weapon . only urs sps kinda dont make that big dmg like messalina do :D anyway make cancel to not cancel noblesse and thats it........
Remove Noblesse buff from game and problem solved!
Quote from: Ungolianth on August 24, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
that will be even bigger sh1t...it willl take even longer to parties to get rdy=even less pvp
we will QQ more xD
Quote from: Ungolianth on August 24, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
that will be even bigger sh1t...it willl take even longer to parties to get rdy=even less pvp
Don't think so, nowadays players are still noobs and most of them are just spoiled brats!
We did perfectly fine in C1/C2 and C3 on DN without all this noblesse shit, don't see any problem with it!
Quote from: Furesy on August 24, 2010, 06:41:38 PM
Don't think so, nowadays players are still noobs and most of them are just spoiled brats!
We did perfectly fine in C1/C2 and C3 on DN without all this noblesse shit, don't see any problem with it!
those times all used potions as a buffs so.... was not hard to fight :D
Quote from: jygh on August 24, 2010, 06:51:40 PM
those times all used potions as a buffs so.... was not hard to fight :D
Potion fight was funny as hell xd
Quote from: jygh on August 24, 2010, 01:07:01 PM
delete ur forum account imbecil . sps r hard just put holy in weapon . only urs sps kinda dont make that big dmg like messalina do :D anyway make cancel to not cancel noblesse and thats it........
w8 w8 w8 i can't understand u .did jin (ameba,paramecium) start to learn some1 how to play in l2?did u kidding with me or is only 1 of u stupied jokes.rofl
Quote from: Furesy on August 24, 2010, 06:55:59 PM
Potion fight was funny as hell xd
I was SE in c3, heal and root only was funny a lot also :D
Quote from: NiToPaMi on August 24, 2010, 07:21:13 PM
w8 w8 w8 i can't understand u .did jin (ameba,paramecium) start to learn some1 how to play in l2?did u kidding with me or is only 1 of u stupied jokes.rofl
i see u got many chars on ur Sig u can easly make another one if ur sps gonna be nerf ;D
Quote from: seboulba on August 27, 2010, 08:40:40 AM
i see u got many chars on ur Sig u can easly make another one if ur sps gonna be nerf ;D
ohhhh Sebo mf.why u so care about me?
Quote from: NiToPaMi on August 27, 2010, 09:55:12 AM
ohhhh Sebo mf.why u so care about me?
why should i care about u ? XD when i speak to u = all sps of NM and about cancel it's just question of time before the nerf :) like always.
this "mf" mean ?
myfriend
or
motherfuker
choose seb:D
Quote from: Arienrod on August 27, 2010, 12:06:37 PM
myfriend
or
motherfuker
choose seb:D
i hope the first one :) im not a freaker to insult any mother since mine are .......
Quote from: seboulba on August 27, 2010, 08:40:40 AM
i see u got many chars on ur Sig u can easly make another one if ur sps gonna be nerf ;D
Anyway he dont have even 10% of chars u had... :D
Quote from: Weezer on August 27, 2010, 07:38:53 PM
Anyway he dont have even 10% of chars u had... :D
and u dont know that i got some other chars (made by myself ofc) :D
wtf with cancel,wtf with sleep ...who care just watch this "event" who will win ,make party with 1 bd/sh,sps/sws,pp/necro + 2 x sps/ee and you will see sleep,sleep,sleep,sleep after that debuff,debuff,debuff,debuff,debuff,cancel,cancel ,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel (RECIPE FOR WIN)and fighter will have like always again 0 % chance
Quote from: joroboro on September 01, 2010, 08:41:05 PM
wtf with cancel,wtf with sleep ...who care just watch this "event" who will win ,make party with 1 bd/sh,sps/sws,pp/necro + 2 x sps/ee and you will see sleep,sleep,sleep,sleep after that debuff,debuff,debuff,debuff,debuff,cancel,cancel ,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel (RECIPE FOR WIN)and fighter will have like always again 0 % chance
^
MI
daggers job
gf
return
:D
Quote from: joroboro on September 01, 2010, 08:41:05 PM
wtf with cancel,wtf with sleep ...who care just watch this "event" who will win ,make party with 1 bd/sh,sps/sws,pp/necro + 2 x sps/ee and you will see sleep,sleep,sleep,sleep after that debuff,debuff,debuff,debuff,debuff,cancel,cancel ,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel,cancel (RECIPE FOR WIN)and fighter will have like always again 0 % chance
u missed sps/es for cancel reuse mf :D
Quote from: Gonzal on September 01, 2010, 09:47:42 PM
u missed sps/es for cancel reuse mf :D
ahh sry i think sleep,cancel,sleep,cancel,sleep,cancel is better ,now have time for reuse or no ?
Quote from: joroboro on September 01, 2010, 11:07:29 PM
ahh sry i think sleep,cancel,sleep,cancel,sleep,cancel is better ,now have time for reuse or no ?
Still need uni buff for reuse.
Quote from: Weezer on September 01, 2010, 11:10:42 PM
Still need uni buff for reuse.
still dont need uni for reuse for sure
With Valakas or Frintezza no1 sleep will make effect on you :) And if need more... Use Menthal Shield. GG
and IC set
Quote from: QQmoar on September 01, 2010, 11:46:00 PM
With Valakas or Frintezza no1 sleep will make effect on you :) And if need more... Use Menthal Shield. GG
ha ha ha ha ha i change frintez and valky on pvp ......same sh1t , don't tell me how i fight pls :)
Quote from: Gonzal on September 02, 2010, 03:32:44 PM
and war frenzy :D ;D
ofc if i have 4 x class in 1 char
Quote from: joroboro on September 02, 2010, 03:26:21 PM
ha ha ha ha ha i change frintez and valky on pvp ......same sh1t , don't tell me how i fight pls :)
WIth methal shield and Valakas no1 trance want make effect on u. Stop make stupid qq post
Quote from: QQmoar on September 03, 2010, 08:22:41 AM
WIth methal shield and Valakas no1 trance want make effect on u. Stop make stupid qq post
hahahaha uff i bored from "pro" player, first check and later post bulshit like your cuz on pvp i use frintez(valky) + menatl shield buff+ more 3k m def and i get 80 % from sleep
ofc i w8 now "pro" replay
Quote from: joroboro on September 03, 2010, 10:03:05 AM
hahahaha uff i bored from "pro" player, first check and later post bulshit like your cuz on pvp i use frintez(valky) + menatl shield buff+ more 3k m def and i get 80 % from sleep
ofc i w8 now "pro" replay
Valakas and Frintezza? Keep server alive :X BTW, better use Valakas. Dunno, i play pvp every time and if my enemy have Valky never got sleep... Mby 1 from 30/40 trance/sleeep make effect
Quote from: POUSEGAMANE on August 16, 2010, 11:46:15 PM
track wtf with cansel...sps is overpower now..this server never have balance??if play in oly with a sws w/o sub is posible to lose..try to fix this sh1t..1 cansel -4 buffs 100% success WTF...
Okey let me reply here because what you ask is pretty much insane.
C3 and part of C4 cancelation skill was uber overpowered (I AGREE) for ones who doesnt remeber ill remind you cancel was removing all skills by 100% chance (!!!). Now cancel removes 4-5 buffs (SO>???????), let me show you description of l2off for cancelation skill:
Removes multiple buffs from an enemy. So, multiple means more then 1 right, and what do you want to make cancel not removing skills at all? So point of the skill is what?We cant delete the purpose of the skill, we didnt made it but we cant simple delete it cause if we do it lets then do it for all classes? Lets remove all skills from game then.......sensless
Quote from: TrackZero on September 06, 2010, 03:13:03 PM
Okey let me reply here because what you ask is pretty much insane.
C3 and part of C4 cancelation skill was uber overpowered (I AGREE) for ones who doesnt remeber ill remind you cancel was removing all skills by 100% chance (!!!). Now cancel removes 4-5 buffs (SO>???????), let me show you description of l2off for cancelation skill:
Removes multiple buffs from an enemy. So, multiple means more then 1 right, and what do you want to make cancel not removing skills at all? So point of the skill is what?We cant delete the purpose of the skill, we didnt made it but we cant simple delete it cause if we do it lets then do it for all classes? Lets remove all skills from game then.......sensless
Maybe in official have also combat pot,tattoo of witch,Heals and DNET sets? You have made the mages that have self heal almost unkillable and able to use cancel every 10 seconds NOT once in each pvp. How the hell someone will be able to kill for example a Sps/EE if you hit for 1.5 max in best situation and he all the time use only slow (have 4 focking slow skills), Cancel, UNLIMITED mana with enchanted Clarity and blessing of eva ready every 2 minutes? He will heal himself until he makes you have no mana/no buffs. and kill you after for fun. I don't mention the freaking trance that i have seen it landed on ppl that have mental aegis,wisdom passive and vengeance active(And god damn generally all debuffs lands a lot even if you have 3k mdef almost the same that land when farming elpies!)
atleast reuse time must be fixed..
Quote from: VforVanilla on September 06, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
Maybe in official have also combat pot,tattoo of witch,Heals and DNET sets? You have made the mages that have self heal almost unkillable and able to use cancel every 10 seconds NOT once in each pvp. How the hell someone will be able to kill for example a Sps/EE if you hit for 1.5 max in best situation and he all the time use only slow (have 4 focking slow skills), Cancel, UNLIMITED mana with enchanted Clarity and blessing of eva ready every 2 minutes? He will heal himself until he makes you have no mana/no buffs. and kill you after for fun. I don't mention the freaking trance that i have seen it landed on ppl that have mental aegis,wisdom passive and vengeance active(And god damn generally all debuffs lands a lot even if you have 3k mdef almost the same that land when farming elpies!)
lol if u hit 1.5 max rly delete char, i was with 2.5 pdef and archers dmg was higher and mages hit low now with 6k matack im hitting 200, and now u cry about debuffs, u wanna make mages useless
Quote from: ptak12 on September 06, 2010, 04:17:34 PM
lol if u hit 1.5 max rly delete char, i was with 2.5 pdef and archers dmg was higher and mages hit low now with 6k matack im hitting 200, and now u cry about debuffs, u wanna make mages useless
Men get some time Cop, Improve shield and windstorm and then come out to talk. Even a non tank mage doesn't get that dmg so cut the crap.
Quote from: TrackZero on September 06, 2010, 03:13:03 PM
Okey let me reply here because what you ask is pretty much insane.
C3 and part of C4 cancelation skill was uber overpowered (I AGREE) for ones who doesnt remeber ill remind you cancel was removing all skills by 100% chance (!!!). Now cancel removes 4-5 buffs (SO>???????), let me show you description of l2off for cancelation skill:
Removes multiple buffs from an enemy. So, multiple means more then 1 right, and what do you want to make cancel not removing skills at all? So point of the skill is what?We cant delete the purpose of the skill, we didnt made it but we cant simple delete it cause if we do it lets then do it for all classes? Lets remove all skills from game then.......sensless
DA's and SK's Touch of Death used to work in the same way as Cancel in C4, maybe you can boost it too :) (dunno if you did it on NMx30, on DNx15 it removes 1 buff ::)).
Quote from: VforVanilla on September 06, 2010, 04:22:34 PM
Men get some time Cop, Improve shield and windstorm and then come out to talk. Even a non tank mage doesn't get that dmg so cut the crap.
lol of course i was with cop, imp shield and windstorm
Quote from: scary on September 06, 2010, 04:09:25 PM
atleast reuse time must be fixed..
That does makes sense, and im checking it.
Quote from: ptak12 on September 06, 2010, 04:28:05 PM
lol of course i was with cop, imp shield and windstorm
Tell me how the hell to believe that when i as a fighter with about 2.2k pdef, Deflect arrow lvl 2 and Song windstorm without shield on hand and Cop was getting from full buff Gladiator/Archer with an average enchanted IC Bow 1800-1900 dmg??
Quote from: VforVanilla on September 06, 2010, 04:39:42 PM
Tell me how the hell to believe that when i as a fighter with about 2.2k pdef, Deflect arrow lvl 2 and Song windstorm without shield on hand and Cop was getting from full buff Gladiator/Archer with an average enchanted IC Bow 1800-1900 dmg??
thats low dmg...myb were normal hits :DDDDDDD
Quote from: TrackZero on September 06, 2010, 04:36:46 PM
That does makes sense, and im checking it.
and what would be wrong with reuse? Its the standard reuse for SPS from official l2. And the stacking/custom things from DNET aren't modifying the reuse in anyway. Its nothing wrong with the reuse. Dont try to find something wrong with cancel where there isnt anything wrong with it. It was already nerfed like hell when c4 ended, now why nerf it again? First Blizzard, now cancel, are u trying to kill SPS class? When was the last nerf archers had? and they are hitting the hardest hits in PVP. Can you say that aint true?
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 06, 2010, 09:10:17 PM
and what would be wrong with reuse? Its the standard reuse for SPS from official l2. And the stacking/custom things from DNET aren't modifying the reuse in anyway. Its nothing wrong with the reuse. Dont try to find something wrong with cancel where there isnt anything wrong with it. It was already nerfed like hell when c4 ended, now why nerf it again? First Blizzard, now cancel, are u trying to kill SPS class? When was the last nerf archers had? and they are hitting the hardest hits in PVP. Can you say that aint true?
Dude you continue to say things that make no sense. Before Blizzard was bugged and was not looking how many mdef the enemy had and was 100%. Now got fixed and look that like all debuffs. Is this considered a nerf? or simply whatever OP is changed to normal is considered nerf to you?
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 06, 2010, 09:10:17 PM
and what would be wrong with reuse? Its the standard reuse for SPS from official l2. And the stacking/custom things from DNET aren't modifying the reuse in anyway. Its nothing wrong with the reuse. Dont try to find something wrong with cancel where there isnt anything wrong with it. It was already nerfed like hell when c4 ended, now why nerf it again? First Blizzard, now cancel, are u trying to kill SPS class? When was the last nerf archers had? and they are hitting the hardest hits in PVP. Can you say that aint true?
for what archers you talk? archer/glad,archer/warl or ..? cuz we talk only for sps/ee cuz
with sleep archer get min 2 x cancel after that we are like npc w/o buff
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 06, 2010, 09:10:17 PM
and what would be wrong with reuse? Its the standard reuse for SPS from official l2. And the stacking/custom things from DNET aren't modifying the reuse in anyway. Its nothing wrong with the reuse. Dont try to find something wrong with cancel where there isnt anything wrong with it. It was already nerfed like hell when c4 ended, now why nerf it again? First Blizzard, now cancel, are u trying to kill SPS class? When was the last nerf archers had? and they are hitting the hardest hits in PVP. Can you say that aint true?
if u got dnet set and ur buffed correctly archer cant make u big dmg...
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 06, 2010, 09:10:17 PM
and what would be wrong with reuse? Its the standard reuse for SPS from official l2. And the stacking/custom things from DNET aren't modifying the reuse in anyway. Its nothing wrong with the reuse. Dont try to find something wrong with cancel where there isnt anything wrong with it. It was already nerfed like hell when c4 ended, now why nerf it again? First Blizzard, now cancel, are u trying to kill SPS class? When was the last nerf archers had? and they are hitting the hardest hits in PVP. Can you say that aint true?
fix cancel that it won't remove nobless :P fack rest :D
PS : you rly saying that archer hit strongest now ?? i don't think so - just take good buff (from deathand i get 2k dmg max - but he's only 1 on server :P )
Quote from: joroboro on September 06, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
for what archers you talk? archer/glad,archer/warl or ..? cuz we talk only for sps/ee cuz
with sleep archer get min 2 x cancel after that we are like npc w/o buff
archers r making nice dmg even to me that im tk and me with ic+a+8 hitting 400dmg, i dont have trance to sleep u :P. Really stop finding something to ask for nerf and enjoy the game.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 06, 2010, 09:10:17 PM
When was the last nerf archers had? and they are hitting the hardest hits in PVP.
^_-
what nerf u want from archer? :D remove f1 spam? or stun landrate? :D
about dmg - u joking right?
Quote from: Wizjoner on September 06, 2010, 10:43:34 PM
^_-
what nerf u want from archer? :D remove f1 spam? or stun landrate? :D
about dmg - u joking right?
not really. IF you take nerf cancel even more, what will SPS throw at the archers? hydro blast spam for 300 damage while archers hit back for 1000-2000 at the same speed or similar? Cancel was a way to level things out, take it away and archers will dominate even more the server.
Quote from: VforVanilla on September 06, 2010, 09:28:41 PM
Dude you continue to say things that make no sense. Before Blizzard was bugged and was not looking how many mdef the enemy had and was 100%. Now got fixed and look that like all debuffs. Is this considered a nerf? or simply whatever OP is changed to normal is considered nerf to you?
Overpowered? we're talking about a skill with 150 power if i am not wrong, and with a big reuse time. It is normal for it to be powerful, you can only use it once a while. And.... it was the only way to stop archers' kiting tactic. Now what? we spam freezing shackles? lol
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 06, 2010, 11:49:07 PM
not really. IF you take nerf cancel even more, what will SPS throw at the archers? hydro blast spam for 300 damage while archers hit back for 1000-2000 at the same speed or similar? Cancel was a way to level things out, take it away and archers will dominate even more the server.Overpowered? we're talking about a skill with 150 power if i am not wrong, and with a big reuse time. It is normal for it to be powerful, you can only use it once a while. And.... it was the only way to stop archers' kiting tactic. Now what? we spam freezing shackles? lol
Doh 150 power is for damage only for god shake not for debuff land rate...
i cant find post of WInd when he say when archer last time had any nerf, let me faking answer u ( yes i get mad now xD) my archer got NERFED like a bich in c4 when they removed magic masteries, i lost OVER 1.5k p attack and some attack speed, archer got nerfed by removing chp and hastle stuck AND finaly archer. And about dmg, hb itself "nerfed" archer with lol buffs reducing his dmg like 4 times. AND who is not nerfed here?
Quote from: Sali on September 07, 2010, 03:44:22 AM
i cant find post of WInd when he say when archer last time had any nerf, let me faking answer u ( yes i get mad now xD) my archer got NERFED like a bich in c4 when they removed magic masteries, i lost OVER 1.5k p attack and some attack speed, archer got nerfed by removing chp and hastle stuck AND finaly archer. And about dmg, hb itself "nerfed" archer with lol buffs reducing his dmg like 4 times. AND who is not nerfed here?
dont get me started on how many nerfs ES/SPS had ever since i started playing. Poneis got nerfed, cancel got nerfed, sleep got nerfed, blizzard got nerfed etc
Quote from: KrdO on September 06, 2010, 10:37:18 PM
archers r making nice dmg even to me that im tk and me with ic+a+8 hitting 400dmg, i dont have trance to sleep u :P. Really stop finding something to ask for nerf and enjoy the game.
you're right better go to pvp from spam here
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 07, 2010, 09:18:53 AM
dont get me started on how many nerfs ES/SPS had ever since i started playing. Poneis got nerfed, cancel got nerfed, sleep got nerfed, blizzard got nerfed etc
you forgot the 100% crit rate nerf on mages...
100% magic crit rate was epic on sieges when i could spam Aqua Splash on like 10 people, hitting them each for 1k + dammage ;D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 07, 2010, 09:18:53 AM
dont get me started on how many nerfs ES/SPS had ever since i started playing. Poneis got nerfed, cancel got fixed, sleep got not(what? it just changed with the chronicle), blizzard got fixed etc
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 07, 2010, 12:26:28 PM
you forgot the 100% crit rate fix on mages...
Quote from: Sali on September 07, 2010, 03:44:22 AM
my archer got NERFED like a bich in c4 when they removed magic masteries (was a fix tbh, tho to bad I lost them too! qq PR/PS), i lost OVER 1.5k p attack and some attack speed, archer got fixed by removing chp and hastle stuck AND finaly archer. And about dmg, hb itself "nerfed" (changed, Chronicle wise) archer with lol buffs reducing his dmg like 4 times. AND who is not nerfed here?
Just corrected those ones for ya all.
Not to mention, my lovely PR/WL got nerfed to the bone even more! Oh and don't forget, Archers got gattling gun Icarus bows with 1/3 re-use of normal bows. (the atk speed being normal hardly makes any difference so doesn't matter), funny is, to counter that, they increased the resist % of Arrow defensive buffs, rather than actually fixing what is f*cked up, they change something else :D
Quote from: Furesy on September 07, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
Maarten dit :
*nah they still alive I guess
do you ?
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 07, 2010, 09:18:53 AM
dont get me started on how many nerfs ES/SPS had ever since i started playing. Poneis got nerfed, cancel got nerfed, sleep got nerfed, blizzard got nerfed etc
same with the ee/es :-\
Quote from: Sali on September 07, 2010, 03:44:22 AM
....
don't you log hon?
Quote from: Furesy on September 07, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
i was being sarcasting with the "nerf" of 100% crit rate :)
It was for sure the most unbalanced thing on dn ever... Nobody could live longer than a second when i targeted him :)
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 07, 2010, 04:34:31 PM
It was for sure the most unbalanced thing on dn ever... Nobody could live longer than a second when i targeted him :)
Lies, I even killed your SPS/TK a couple of times xD
Quote from: Furesy on September 07, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
Just corrected those ones for ya all.
Not to mention, my lovely PR/WL got nerfed to the bone even more! Oh and don't forget, Archers got gattling gun Icarus bows with 1/3 re-use of normal bows. (the atk speed being normal hardly makes any difference so doesn't matter), funny is, to counter that, they increased the resist % of Arrow defensive buffs, rather than actually fixing what is f*cked up, they change something else :D
sry Fur but w/o ic bows archers would be useless now... and when i last time loged to game i couldnt go over 2k dmg on full/semi buffed mages, sure thing there was ppl like Thanos hitting for 4k on full buffed ppl but god damn thats why a single class need a nerf. its like from past to nerf pr/wl they changed this funny wl skill that i cant remember the name, and the only who suffer for this nerf were th/wl and he/wl... whats the point of that? Pushing ppl to changing their chars each month bcos of nerfs is what is wrong here, and why ppl getting bored of this game.
@Altheo- nop still didnt bought it buuuut, i found LoL way more funny, i suggest u try it out
The best coder would be a GM who plays on the server. But the bad thing about it is that such GMs, sooner or later start doing shit on the server :)
It was already said long time ago that mages shouldnt have more than 20% chance of crit (or even less) and that archers should shoot SLOW and crit hard. etc...
Quote from: Furesy on September 07, 2010, 04:37:37 PM
Lies, I even killed your SPS/TK a couple of times xD
Maybe when 5 other guys were hitting me too :) Archers were doing 400 dammage max on me ;)
Quote from: Sali on September 07, 2010, 04:44:50 PM
sry Fur but w/o ic bows archers would be useless now... and when i last time loged to game i couldnt go over 2k dmg on full/semi buffed mages, sure thing there was ppl like Thanos hitting for 4k on full buffed ppl but god damn thats why a single class need a nerf. its like from past to nerf pr/wl they changed this funny wl skill that i cant remember the name, and the only who suffer for this nerf were th/wl and he/wl... whats the point of that? Pushing ppl to changing their chars each month bcos of nerfs is what is wrong here, and why ppl getting bored of this game.
You don't understand.
Archers really do NOT need the retarded speed of the Icarus bows (those bows killed archer class actually) since at original Interlude/Hellbound, the % bonus people receive from the arrow defense buffs isn't as high as they are on DN atm. To compensate for the 'lol atk speed' from Icarus bows, they increased the bonus those buffs give, so you'll just hit lower than normal.
You want to know why they did that? Because people would whine who bought those Icarus bows that their bows sucked now without the 'special' re-use delay, so rather than fixing something that they f*cked up themselves and has totally destroyed archer class. They rather boost the bonus of arrow resist buffs to compensate against the extra power the atk speed of the Icarus bow gives.
PR/WL got nerfed because they removed Focus Attack bonus (weird really, because that buff didn't even stack with Rapid shot, so you had to choose, Atk Speed or more dmg), but not only that, they also nerfed it in run speed (can't kite with it, it has -10 run speed by standard, at least mine did, personal nerf qq)
But ah well, now there is Glad/Archer which has a similar skill as WL that does stack with Rapid shot, so you have extra dmg and extra atk speed and they don't nerf that, lol'ed.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 07, 2010, 04:51:48 PM
Maybe when 5 other guys were hitting me too :) Archers were doing 400 dammage max on me ;)
Such a lie, back then on forums you even admitted I was hitting you the hardest of all archers, and I hitted you around 2.5k with Furesy. :]
Quote from: Furesy on September 07, 2010, 04:51:52 PM
Such a lie, back then on forums you even admitted I was hitting you the hardest of all archers, and I hitted you around 2.5k with Furesy. :]
I sure did admit that you were the hardest hitting archer but that dammage can never be made to a sps/tk... (dunno about now)
Maybe you did hit me that hard but i wasnt fullbuffed than for sure. I was doing lots of test on my char, with devilstar (He/pr), Liti (he/wl), Cthon(he/wk?), hitting me from back and it never went over 600 (without SOF,UD.. ofcourse). ;)
Not to mention i had shield of faith and vengance that worked 100% back than <- yet another thing that freaked up the server
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 07, 2010, 05:01:37 PM
I sure did admit that you were the hardest hitting archer but that dammage can never be made to a sps/tk... (dunno about now)
Maybe you did hit me that hard but i wasnt fullbuffed than for sure. I was doing lots of test on my char, with devilstar (He/pr), Liti (he/wl), Cthon(he/wk?), hitting me from back and it never went over 600. ;)
But they are not me. PR/WL in Interlude, especially Furesy was critting very very hard, and I'm sure I surpassed 2k on you, at Aden gate we even tested, both fullbuffed. And I remember things well! xD
Quote from: Furesy on September 07, 2010, 05:04:07 PM
But they are not me. PR/WL in Interlude, especially Furesy was critting very very hard, and I'm sure I surpassed 2k on you, at Aden gate we even tested, both fullbuffed. And I remember things well! xD
I know when it was, it was when npcs were down and there was a pvp outside aden... But yea it never went over 1k im 100% sure. I know your char could crit the hardest, since you were also the slowest hiting archer, but it could never crit 4 times harder than any other.
I think your best hit on me was about 1.1k but i didnt had advanced block shield on me than. So it would be abit lower. I remember it pretty well since i was checking out the skills of pr/wl on google, cuz i was wondering why the f. can you crit twice as hard as others do...
Too bad our old clan forum doesnt work, since i posted lots of screens of the best equiped archer dammages on me, cuz i was trying to convince my clan mates to make mage/tanks cuz of the low dammage and 100% crit rate + sof ;D
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 07, 2010, 05:09:17 PM
I know when it was, it was when npcs were down and there was a pvp outside aden... But yea it never went over 1k im 100% sure. I know your char could crit the hardest, since you were also the slowest hiting archer, but it could never crit 4 times harder than any other.
I think your best hit on me was about 1.1k but i didnt had advanced block shield on me than.
Yea I hit slowest, 649 atk speed ftw, but ah well, that's long time ago now! So doesn't really matter anymore, only back than archers were fun to play. And we can argue about the damage until we both drop dead :D
Quote from: Furesy on September 07, 2010, 05:13:49 PM
Yea I hit slowest, 649 atk speed ftw, but ah well, that's long time ago now! So doesn't really matter anymore, only back than archers were fun to play. And we can argue about the damage until we both drop dead :D
Well its not much to argue about, cuz i still have some screens of some of the best quiped archers hitting me on fullbuffs (when they had even berserker on, potions and stuff) and it was 600 max... So it wouldnt make any sence for your char to crit for 2k :P
And im always very sure about my tests, since i have done lots of em ;D
No magic crits, slow attacking archers, no dynasty/icarus, no augmentations and no SOF/"OL invincible thing" were the best pvp days...
what ur discussing, since no1 will nerf anything.
Quote from: Furesy on September 07, 2010, 04:51:52 PM
thats what i said, but now removing speed and decresing %dmg reduced from buffs will make both side cry.
pr/glad isnt nerfed yet? and as i said mostly nerfs touch combos that are fine, and the only bad thing they did is they share sub with some lol op mutant raping shit. Welcome to stack sub and mutant system
@ Furesy ,duelist spirit does nt add attack speed but critical damage .
@ Sali , i was the second who made pr/glad? Mason was first ,did someone get it forbitten to make pr/glad after? All i i wanna say it ,ofc they did nt nerf it since many people made pr/glad after me but they dont have the skills to handle a char like this .Its an extreme char which hits good but it got many disadvantages too as well .
Anyhow pr/glad will be past soon ,you ll be able to make pr/glad ofc again but limited to 80 lvl which means no FS and around 5 evasion and 2k hp/cp lost .
But i have rdy solution in this case too :D
Quote from: Deavon on September 08, 2010, 12:16:49 AM
@ Furesy ,duelist spirit does nt add attack speed but critical damage .
Like I don't know that! You disappoint me Thanos! I was referring to the comparison between PR/WL and PR/Glad, where PR/WL had Focus Attack and PR/Glad has Duelist Spirit, where PR/WL had to choose between Rapid Shot and Focus Atk (Atk speed or Crit dmg) since those did not stack, while PR/Glad could use both and have both advantages (Crit dmg and Atk speed!)
Read my Greek friend! ;(
EDIT: And that comparison was made in the first place because where PR/WL had to choose, they actually nerf it, and where PR/Glad had both bonuses and advantages, they don't nerf it! (or wait, 'fix'!)
Quote from: Furesy on September 08, 2010, 12:20:29 AM
Read my Greek friend! ;(
i read rly quick :p
p.s: Like you could nt make pr/glad after pr/wl got nerfed/killed or whatever noob :D
Yeah man, Furesy knows... stuff! :D
well some people can pown in whatever combo mage or fighter,(im not one of them at all)
for some it will take years to learn it .Misiek got a new archer new brand:) he do not have even SP for skills but already star to QQ aboute cancel when he is always in the cancel range ..i gues he stil think he have a dagger in the hands and he wanna bluff .
deavon or cthon they have similar way to fight maybe similar atribute on bow, not sure yet aboute it, but even if i find out its imposible to gamble with atribute defence when u are under attack,its a huge diference when u have to heal your self against 4 archers hiting u for 1 k each and when you have to do it vs 2 hiting for 3 k each.
the future looks pink! when atribute drama will end there will be other drama.
what is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. but a slice of bread is better than nothing. So a slice of bread is better than eternal bliss.
Quote from: Deavon on September 08, 2010, 12:16:49 AM
u know it wasnt anything personal about pr/glad and u, but no w8 it was personal! bcos of u they want to nerf archer! yes its totaly ur fault :D
and as i wrote above, it wasnt forbidden but ill never leave my best he/pp even if he suck donkey balls and its just he that can buff himself god know what for if every1 use bots...
Quote from: Mesalina on September 08, 2010, 05:06:07 AM
the future looks pink! when atribute drama will end there will be other drama.
what is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. but a slice of bread is better than nothing. So a slice of bread is better than eternal bliss.
You Sir, made my day :D
Quote from: Deavon on September 08, 2010, 12:33:20 AM
i read rly quick :p
p.s: Like you could nt make pr/glad after pr/wl got nerfed/killed or whatever noob :D
I played PR/WL after it got nerfed and still rolled people :P but for me the thing that made me quit archer was the retarded Icarus bow Atk Speed and Arrow re-use delay, I always liked slow atk speed and high dmg output and they totally destroyed the way archers are supposed to be on this server, so I quit playing it. I went to SWS/EE for a bit and then eventually quit :)
Besides, I had my funny counter measures against the nerf on the last days of Furesy's life :P
Quote from: Furesy on September 08, 2010, 11:34:53 AM
I played PR/WL after it got nerfed and still rolled people :P but for me the thing that made me quit archer was the retarded Icarus bow Atk Speed and Arrow re-use delay, I always liked slow atk speed and high dmg output and they totally destroyed the way archers are supposed to be on this server, so I quit playing it. I went to SWS/EE for a bit and then eventually quit :)
Besides, I had my funny counter measures against the nerf on the last days of Furesy's life :P
i always wondered, have you ever tryed contacting Guiness for ego size record? you might win your place in the Guiness book :P
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 08, 2010, 12:15:52 PM
i always wondered, have you ever tryed contacting Guiness for ego size record? you might win your place in the Guiness book :P
It's only so big on DN, for few reasons :P boredom, pisses off people and when I still played, it made me put pressure on myself to play even better else I got bored way to fast :D and it was the only way to get a little more out of PvP lol ^_^
Aaah, and I learned from the best!
Quote from: Furesy on September 08, 2010, 12:20:07 PM
It's only so big on DN, for few reasons :P boredom, pisses off people and when I still played, it made me put pressure on myself to play even better else I got bored way to fast :D and it was the only way to get a little more out of PvP lol ^_^
Aaah, and I learned from the best!
HAI
Do the grannies furesy, deathand, puff, spash, vandana, sali, miao, elesse, cthon still play?
Quote from: our4n0s on September 08, 2010, 02:49:38 PM
Do the grannies furesy, deathand, puff, spash, vandana, sali, miao, elesse, cthon still play?
I do some Varka runs alone once or twice a week :P
Quote from: our4n0s on September 08, 2010, 02:49:38 PM
Do the grannies furesy, deathand, puff, spash, vandana, sali, miao, elesse, cthon still play?
should come time to time
Quote from: our4n0s on September 08, 2010, 02:49:38 PM
Do the grannies furesy, deathand, puff, spash, vandana, sali, miao, elesse, cthon still play?
im loging once per month to dont disapear from pvp list xD
Quote from: our4n0s on September 08, 2010, 02:49:38 PM
Do the grannies furesy, deathand, puff, spash, vandana, sali, miao, elesse, cthon still play?
if the guys that came from Dragon after the great downtime of Nm are grannies, i am Tutankamon
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 08, 2010, 07:50:43 PM
if the guys that came from Dragon after the great downtime of Nm are grannies, i am Tutankamon
Penises always existed and hopefully, always will exist.
Quote from: our4n0s on September 08, 2010, 10:09:36 PM
Penises always existed and hopefully, always will exist.
WingedPenises are rare.
Quote from: our4n0s on September 08, 2010, 02:49:38 PM
Do the grannies furesy, deathand, puff, spash, vandana, sali, miao, elesse, cthon still play?
Quote from: seboulba on September 08, 2010, 03:38:06 PM
should come time to time
o rly?
Cancel still removing noblesse QQ more QQ :D
Quote from: Gonzal on September 11, 2010, 02:30:57 AM
Cancel still removing noblesse QQ more QQ :D
cancer? use it now :D