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Title: about daggers
Post by: Vegas on February 03, 2011, 03:27:45 PM
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nerf lethal and make better skill success rate ;D
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Evolution on February 03, 2011, 06:06:39 PM
Quote from: Evolution on Yesterday at 01:20:56 pm
GM can u check it... its fvcking insane... smthing like 3 hits 1 lethal don't tell me its normal cuz its totally buged  Roll Eyes  Lips sealed

and yes its QQ topic .

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You want daggers to get nerfed more? Dont think so!

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Q_Q check it mr. Track if Daggers don't need nerf what u say now about that ...  ??? im rly curious...  ::)
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: VforVanilla on February 03, 2011, 08:06:36 PM
On npc dunno why lethal rate is a bit highter. You can check it anytime. And anyway Cp lethal chance is 5% so 2 in a row isn't impossible.
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Evolution on February 03, 2011, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: VforVanilla on February 03, 2011, 08:06:36 PM
On npc dunno why lethal rate is a bit highter. You can check it anytime. And anyway Cp lethal chance is 5% so 2 in a row isn't impossible.

bullsh1t same is on pvp...
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: garikUA on February 03, 2011, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: Evolution on February 03, 2011, 08:55:52 PM
bullsh1t same is on pvp...
u want lethal 1 time in  year ???
when im kill chimeras im can got 2 lethal for 1 min but after  0 lethal for 1 hour
its only random
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Vegas on February 03, 2011, 10:29:03 PM
i dont care about lethal, but skills rate is to low...even 0.01% chance of lethal, but 100% skill chance is much better imo, coz its possible to kill every1 with no grade dagger atm, anyway w/o lethal is hard to kill some1 :)
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Deathsoul on February 03, 2011, 11:47:25 PM
we got the update recently on Arena wtf with this daggers... people always die because of first hit lethal... its sick. + they make still big damage.
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: chlipus on February 04, 2011, 05:30:31 AM
Quote from: Vegas on February 03, 2011, 03:27:45 PM
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nerf lethal and make better skill success rate ;D

make 75-80% sukces rate from blows and lethal chance 5-max 10% evry one will by happy
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Evolution on February 04, 2011, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: Deathsoul on February 03, 2011, 11:47:25 PM
we got the update recently on Arena wtf with this daggers... people always die because of first hit lethal... its sick. + they make still big damage.


+1!
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: chlipus on February 04, 2011, 09:50:48 AM
Quote from: Deathsoul on February 03, 2011, 11:47:25 PM
we got the update recently on Arena wtf with this daggers... people always die because of first hit lethal... its sick. + they make still big damage.

not always, but it is true lethals here have to big chance and blows from th especialy have to low chance, so some one should balance it, like i sad 5-10% lethal sukces rate 75-80% blows sukces rate. Now evry kind of noob with dager no grade with dmg 50 can kill you,
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: seboulba on February 04, 2011, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: chlipus on February 04, 2011, 09:50:48 AM
not always, but it is true lethals here have to big chance and blows from th especialy have to low chance, so some one should balance it, like i sad 5-10% lethal sukces rate 75-80% blows sukces rate. Now evry kind of noob with dager no grade with dmg 50 can kill you,
yeah yeah my ass dont change anything its always fcking hard to kill a mage with 3bp on his pt while i hit for 1.5k/2.5k and getting 2-3x per sec 2k hp regen
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: cerebelo on February 04, 2011, 10:40:42 AM
Quote from: seboulba on February 04, 2011, 10:26:27 AM
yeah yeah my ass dont change anything its always fcking hard to kill a mage with 3bp on his pt while i hit for 1.5k/2.5k and getting 2-3x per sec 2k hp regen

so u consinder that u should be able to kill a mage with 3 bp on his back ? lol ... gm make my char able to kill a char with 3 bp healling .....

looooooooooooooool
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Vegas on February 04, 2011, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: seboulba on February 04, 2011, 10:26:27 AM
yeah yeah my ass dont change anything its always fcking hard to kill a mage with 3bp on his pt while i hit for 1.5k/2.5k and getting 2-3x per sec 2k hp regen
1.5/2.5k? only if he has low attr resist)
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: seboulba on February 04, 2011, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: Vegas on February 04, 2011, 11:12:29 AM
1.5/2.5k? only if he has low attr resist)

im using as+cd+3 earth lvl 4 duel mightl lvl 10 :) gimme one ic+cd++ will see if i can hit 2x more =X
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: rocktr on February 04, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
k lethal nerfed :) lats delate all daggers classes now and make m.cryt 100% rate again :)
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Evolution on February 05, 2011, 10:33:34 AM
Quote from: rocktr on February 04, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
k lethal nerfed :) lats delate all daggers classes now and make m.cryt 100% rate again :)

finally  ::)
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: lol on February 05, 2011, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: rocktr on February 04, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
k lethal nerfed :) lats delate all daggers classes now and make m.cryt 100% rate again :)

Excellent idea ! +100
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Vegas on February 06, 2011, 02:23:51 PM
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,240794.0.html
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: rocktr on February 04, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
k lethal nerfed :) lats delate all daggers classes now and make m.cryt 100% rate again :)
it still has nice landrate (ok, just on .... CP)
ofc, to have nice landrate u must enchant it
lethal  (and many other skills) are LVL based

u 85 VS lvl 80 char ? lethal land is easy (better if it's ++++)

u lvl 80 vs lvl 85 ? pray !

with new update with renewal/champion etc, how did u found daggers char? too fast ? too many miss?
wanna feedback  , not cry-flame

thanks
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Vegas on February 07, 2011, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
it still has nice landrate (ok, just on .... CP)
ofc, to have nice landrate u must enchant it
lethal  (and many other skills) are LVL based

u 85 VS lvl 80 char ? lethal land is easy (better if it's ++++)

u lvl 80 vs lvl 85 ? pray !

with new update with renewal/champion etc, how did u found daggers char? too fast ? too many miss?
wanna feedback  , not cry-flame

thanks
how i found daggers? - dmg is ok, but there are some problems with skill reuse(there is topic in dragon general section)
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Alex on February 07, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
it still has nice landrate (ok, just on .... CP)
ofc, to have nice landrate u must enchant it
lethal  (and many other skills) are LVL based

u 85 VS lvl 80 char ? lethal land is easy (better if it's ++++)

u lvl 80 vs lvl 85 ? pray !

with new update with renewal/champion etc, how did u found daggers char? too fast ? too many miss?
wanna feedback  , not cry-flame

thanks

dont think its a good idea to listen to a guy crying about removed HP lethal xD
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 09:56:55 AM
i m not interested in lethal

for me, they can totally remove that stupid effect :D

just interested in boost crit/ fixed reuse of skill etc :)
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: rocktr on February 07, 2011, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
it still has nice landrate (ok, just on .... CP)
ofc, to have nice landrate u must enchant it
lethal  (and many other skills) are LVL based

u 85 VS lvl 80 char ? lethal land is easy (better if it's ++++)

u lvl 80 vs lvl 85 ? pray !

with new update with renewal/champion etc, how did u found daggers char? too fast ? too many miss?
wanna feedback  , not cry-flame

thanks
i feel u never play as dagger :) (wtb resharger for pvp vs 1 mage)
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: VforVanilla on February 07, 2011, 10:44:48 AM
Call you tell me what now gives Mortal strike enchanted on chance?
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 10:58:40 AM


Quote from: VforVanilla on February 07, 2011, 10:44:48 AM
Call you tell me what now gives Mortal strike enchanted on chance?

basis is 6% (normal blow has 2%)
u can enchant it UP TO 10-13% (those value was under test so i don't have 100% rate) but anyway u meed a +15 (2°rd class) or +30 (2°class) skill to reach that %
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: violetpl on February 07, 2011, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 10:58:40 AM

basis is 6% (normal blow has 2%)
u can enchant it UP TO 10-13% (those value was under test so i don't have 100% rate) but anyway u meed a +15 (2°rd class) or +30 (2°class) skill to reach that %

+15 (3*class) and +30 (2*class) ofc for that enchant you need buy coins and go donne
hahahah
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: violetpl on February 07, 2011, 03:06:59 PM
+15 (3*class) and +30 (2*class) ofc for that enchant you need buy coins and go donne
hahahah

u can also try with normal BOG

if exist mad ppl that try enchant weapon with NORMAL scroll, also exist ppl that try enchant skill with NORMAL bog
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Evolution on February 07, 2011, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 09:56:55 AM
i m not interested in lethal

for me, they can totally remove that stupid effect :D

just interested in boost crit/ fixed reuse of skill etc :)

+1  ;D
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: ZEFEROT on February 07, 2011, 06:38:36 PM
Quote from: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 09:56:55 AM
i m not interested in lethal

for me, they can totally remove that stupid effect :D

just interested in boost crit/ fixed reuse of skill etc :)

Btw, if you're making Gracia skills : in gracia there is no lethal at all ! it's "Half kill" !
check some Gracia servers if you don't know what is it ...
I think it is way better then lethal and all were happy with it .
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: MIkel on February 07, 2011, 10:10:08 PM
Quote from: ZEFEROT on February 07, 2011, 06:38:36 PM
Btw, if you're making Gracia skills : in gracia there is no lethal at all ! it's "Half kill" !
check some Gracia servers if you don't know what is it ...
I think it is way better then lethal and all were happy with it .

noope daggers will not be happy
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: VforVanilla on February 08, 2011, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 10:58:40 AM

basis is 6% (normal blow has 2%)
u can enchant it UP TO 10-13% (those value was under test so i don't have 100% rate) but anyway u meed a +15 (2°rd class) or +30 (2°class) skill to reach that %

Well to tell you the truth i don't get what you say. After the skill Gracia update i noticed that Mortal Strike now gives Critical rate.I have 2 PW same lvl/Dyes/Equipment/Buffs. The one has mortal strike non enchanted and the other +15 Chance and the critical rate is the same. Mortal Strike buff increase anything else except critical rate?
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Piccy on February 08, 2011, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: VforVanilla on February 08, 2011, 01:56:49 AM
Well to tell you the truth i don't get what you say. After the skill Gracia update i noticed that Mortal Strike now gives Critical rate.I have 2 PW same lvl/Dyes/Equipment/Buffs. The one has mortal strike non enchanted and the other +15 Chance and the critical rate is the same. Mortal Strike buff increase anything else except critical rate?

skill like lethal blow-----enchanted on chance LETHAL : add chance to make a lethal . on +15, u get nice chace to dealing lethal ON LVL 85
higher difference between SKILL lvl and target means higher success of lethal ( skill lvl 76 like lethal blow +15 has best effect Vs char lvl 85)


anyway, skills like UE, exciting/windriding/ghost etc ..... any news about them? evasion VS enemy skills ? good?
CMON make some test guys :D
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: FeelmyBow on February 08, 2011, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: Piccy on February 08, 2011, 10:22:28 AM
skill like lethal blow-----enchanted on chance LETHAL : add chance to make a lethal . on +15, u get nice chace to dealing lethal ON LVL 85
higher difference between SKILL lvl and target means higher success of lethal ( skill lvl 76 like lethal blow +15 has best effect Vs char lvl 85)


anyway, skills like UE, exciting/windriding/ghost etc ..... any news about them? evasion VS enemy skills ? good?
CMON make some test guys :D

UE and EA increase the dodge chance towards enemy skills. Tho the FS's are bugged in reuse, its increased and when you equip a different weapon the reuse starts all over.
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Piccy on February 08, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: FeelmyBow on February 08, 2011, 03:51:19 PM
UE and EA increase the dodge chance towards enemy skills. Tho the FS's are bugged in reuse, its increased and when you equip a different weapon the reuse starts all over.

that should be the visual bug we had since....2 years? like for orc when they switch weapon for frenzy-guts &c.

SHOULD..... kk now need to buy also a chrono to test skills :D
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: rocktr on February 09, 2011, 12:44:38 AM
maybe its time stop tolking for "lethal" cos if it land at first blow it is lethal if not (after 2 blows u oponend will no have CP)
so lat speak about chances?. and plz fix my aqument, after updates it not work. pmed to track but no answear , maybe u can chek it? pm zongoko in game if u wna help.
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Piccy on February 09, 2011, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: rocktr on February 09, 2011, 12:44:38 AM
maybe its time stop tolking for "lethal" cos if it land at first blow it is lethal if not (after 2 blows u oponend will no have CP)
so lat speak about chances?. and plz fix my aqument, after updates it not work. pmed to track but no answear , maybe u can chek it? pm zongoko in game if u wna help.

what augment ?
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: violetpl on February 09, 2011, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 03:08:59 PM
u can also try with normal BOG

if exist mad ppl that try enchant weapon with NORMAL scroll, also exist ppl that try enchant skill with NORMAL bog
on DN enchant skils 14 to 15 is 52% on lvl 85(2 clas) and 3 clas 2 -3 42% (btw reus skils from gracia but why no enchat??) and when you make full HB
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7582/55332enchchance1.png
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: Piccy on February 09, 2011, 02:22:50 PM
Quote from: violetpl on February 09, 2011, 11:42:20 AM
on DN enchant skils 14 to 15 is 52% on lvl 85(2 clas) and 3 clas 2 -3 42% (btw reus skils from gracia but why no enchat??) and when you make full HB
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7582/55332enchchance1.png

couse drake said he still need to find someone that sell a  "FIX ALL SERVER" button.

when he find ...he will press it for sure
Title: Re: about daggers
Post by: violetpl on February 09, 2011, 03:46:17 PM
so i wait for that ;D