For sure actually all kind of stuns have too high landrate... Don't make this chronicle only for fighters or tanks like now i have vesper set, full epic rb set (also with tezza for tanks) and with mental shield, inside olympiad for 10 stuns 9 will land, and im sure it shouldnt by like that, imagine situation when all debuffs from mages will land in 95% succesrate? ALL time standing on silence,anchor,trance,fear?
Ofc tank stuns are most "magic" they cant be enchanted for chance (i mean shield stun) and it have 99% landrate...
It should be nerfed a bit cuz we have really nice resist for it in set and everywhere
Mental shield doesn't help for stun. Anyway i agree that some stuns land way too often.
Have you guys checked the enchant rate of those stuns that land so often? Cause mine even +13 lands like 1/10! Ofc +30 stun has to land often!!
Don't fuk up the only small defence fighters have against cancel!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on September 22, 2011, 09:27:02 PM
Have you guys checked the enchant rate of those stuns that land so often? Cause mine even +13 lands like 1/10! Ofc +30 stun has to land often!!
Don't fuk up the only small defence fighters have against cancel!
ye ye at u nevar land nothing we all know ,,,, 2 days aego naked char with C grade bow not enchanted stun shot land from 4 stuns 3 on fu cking 49 con + certificate skill ressit shock 5% + tallisman ressit shock .... nother one shild bush 95% land and is 3 sec and resuse on the skill is faster noone stop from stun so if 49 and certificate + talisman cant ressit stun i dont know if i go - con will be able to move
donno if is land rate problem ir is the anthras and zaken incrase the chnance`s but is not playable at all
Badluck.
My shield stun lands like 3/10....and its supposed to be badass stun landrate on that skill ...
Another cry topic for unnecessary nerf.
On GF skills like Shield Stun or Stun Shot have different way to calculate the success land rate of it then in our previous Chronicles.
The faster way to explain how it works on GF is the is more based in how much CON u have and the jewels u have, but we must remember that:
- Almost all fighter combos have -CON to add STR or DEX
- Almost all mages adds +CON but still have low CON cause they mages (ofc xD)
- All have RB Jewels atm, so the bonus that it gives is cancelled by the bonus of enemy RB Jewels
- Mental Shield don't protect anymore against Stun Shield or Stun Shot f.e.
- Shock effect is 1 thing, Stun effect is another.
Quote from: Weezer on September 22, 2011, 10:26:11 PM
On GF skills like Shield Stun or Stun Shot have different way to calculate the success land rate of it then in our previous Chronicles.
The faster way to explain how it works on GF is the is more based in how much CON u have and the jewels u have, but we must remember that:
- Almost all fighter combos have -CON to add STR or DEX
- Almost all mages adds +CON but still have low CON cause they mages (ofc xD)
- All have RB Jewels atm, so the bonus that it gives is cancelled by the bonus of enemy RB Jewels
- Mental Shield don't protect anymore against Stun Shield or Stun Shot f.e.
- Shock effect is 1 thing, Stun effect is another.
as i say 49 CON +certificate skill 5%ressit shock+talisman if is not enough i dont know what els i can do to ressit at last 50%
p.s weez papara u calculate and ofc rb julery on me :)
Quote from: Kastro on September 22, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
as i say 49 CON +certificate skill 5%ressit shock+talisman if is not enough i dont know what els i can do to ressit at last 50%
p.s weez papara u calculate and ofc rb julery on me :)
Ur certification for shock and talisman (if it's for shock effect) wont work against Stun.
And RB jewels i also have it, so this wont count too, we can test with normal jewels or both with RB jewels will be the same.
Quote from: Kastro on September 22, 2011, 09:46:26 PM
2 days aego naked char with C grade bow not enchanted stun shot land from 4 stuns 3 on fu cking 49 con + certificate skill ressit shock 5% + tallisman ressit shock all
Bro, rly, if not huge bad luck i'm rly tilting towards saying BULLSH!T!! ::) Common rly? a c bow in 4 stuns 3 landed?? Comon...say the truth :P
And i'm being honest when i say, sometimes i manage (somehow) to land 2 in a row, after that i can hit 10 stuns whitout landing even 1... Shieldbash on the other hand is a real badass but ontop of being suposed to be like that it lasts for like 2-3 sec's...
Quote from: Javardsnegger on September 22, 2011, 11:22:30 PM
Bro, rly, if not huge bad luck i'm rly tilting towards saying BULLSH!T!! ::) Common rly? a c bow in 4 stuns 3 landed?? Comon...say the truth :P
And i'm being honest when i say, sometimes i manage (somehow) to land 2 in a row, after that i can hit 10 stuns whitout landing even 1... Shieldbash on the other hand is a real badass but ontop of being suposed to be like that it lasts for like 2-3 sec's...
u can ask was in oly so few ppl was watching and loling i did not kill him just to see if was 2 time luck or no but as i say 4 stuns 3 land
p.s: weez baby stun is shock attack :))
qq land rate is rly HIGH,QQ moar :)
Some1 take a look in skills? No1 ask why Kill4h never got stun in oly? Read skills description.
And who have vesper robe set, have 50% stun resist.
this stun rate is a joke, if u dont wear vesper... with a good enchanted shield stun is allmost impossible to move, just check katsu video....
im agree with stun nerf, if nerf cancel too 8)
damn right, stun is overpowered, we also should nerf UD, do U know how much def tanks have when they use it??? omg nerf it.
I think good solution would be removing heavy armor mastery from tanks this would help to make all balanced.
I mean wtf? I have sps tank is hitting me 500 with crit I heal 1k and its ok, but wtf I can do when they stun me? I mean ok usually it never lands on me cause I have mega op resist for stuns, also usually stuns last only till 1 hit, but omg wtf can I do if he last longer?
Btw I like tomato soup cause its tasty thats why im going to get some right now, cya bb hf .
Quote from: Kastro on September 22, 2011, 11:57:22 PM
u can ask was in oly so few ppl was watching and loling i did not kill him just to see if was 2 time luck or no but as i say 4 stuns 3 land
p.s: weez baby stun is shock attack :))
As i said to u IG don't believe in all things that is written in skills, NCSoft made a lot of mistakes on descriptions of skills (those what u can check on skill) and how skill works, on Gracia Epilogue they fixed this things, but since we have GF we must live with it.
Anyway having buffs or skills that should add 100% for Stun Effect don't means u have 100% of chance to resist, u must add this 100% from buffs or even Vesper Robe to ur base resistance to stun effect (the calc to know is based in a lot of factors, for GF i don't know all neither the way to calc), so f.e. if u have in ur char a base for resist of 20% u must add 100% on this 20% this means u will have 40% of chance to resist, but also enemy if have skill enchanted for Chance he also will have more chance to stun u.
About Voodoo video u can see that he stun people a lot of times with his shield stun, chance to stun isnt STR based, so even mage/tank can stun people.
Quote from: Kishin on September 23, 2011, 01:13:05 PM
damn right, stun is overpowered, we also should nerf UD, do U know how much def tanks have when they use it??? omg nerf it.
I think good solution would be removing heavy armor mastery from tanks this would help to make all balanced.
I mean wtf? I have sps tank is hitting me 500 with crit I heal 1k and its ok, but wtf I can do when they stun me? I mean ok usually it never lands on me cause I have mega op resist for stuns, also usually stuns last only till 1 hit, but omg wtf can I do if he last longer?
Btw I like tomato soup cause its tasty thats why im going to get some right now, cya bb hf .
just hate ppl who just protect the chars .... what have evar say here is for a reason i wright topic for cancel ressit i did not mean about only sps and sorcerer cancel is there dagger cancel fist cancel i was spicking general al specking general on this one to coz is not only ur stun is shild bush is stun shot as i give example no mather what gear u have on u or what julery have on u naked char when lend oin u 3/4 stun shuts on 49 con if that is not OP i dont know what is not OP as u know evan that stuns mostly dont have +chance option to be enchanted what i should say for BLUFF who was nerfed in the first 4 days + focus death and focus power from 65% dmg now is on 10-15% as u can notice cant make over 500 dmg by blow on u and i bet u have not full ressit attribut vs me but still daggers got nerf so before start defending someting think a bit resnoble as i say again i`m +con imagen if somone go -con he wont wake up from stuns so YE is OP
have U ever used anything else then jewelery to resist stun, CON? do U even know how much resist for stun each +1CON gives?? Why track didnt nerf cancel only fixed skills resisting cancel?
Do same with stun.
Btw U hate me cause I protect my char?Go ahead, stun is everything my char got on pvp and U wanna fok it because U dont know how to resist it .
Quote from: Weezer on September 22, 2011, 10:26:11 PM
- Shock effect is 1 thing, Stun effect is another.
stun is a skill, shock is attribute/effect of skill....
http://l2p.l2wh.com/attributes.html
Quote from: Kishin on September 23, 2011, 01:13:05 PM
damn right, stun is overpowered, we also should nerf UD, do U know how much def tanks have when they use it??? omg nerf it.
I think good solution would be removing heavy armor mastery from tanks this would help to make all balanced.
I mean wtf? I have sps tank is hitting me 500 with crit I heal 1k and its ok, but wtf I can do when they stun me? I mean ok usually it never lands on me cause I have mega op resist for stuns, also usually stuns last only till 1 hit, but omg wtf can I do if he last longer?
Btw I like tomato soup cause its tasty thats why im going to get some right now, cya bb hf .
+1. Damn i agree, btw lets nerf sof also and tol, those fking skills are op! Vengeance should last 5 seconds only!! Cancel on the other hand should cast in 1 second, 2 secs re use and should remove all buff bar, armor and weapon from char... oh and jewels!
the only way a tank can live is with stun, cuz its their main defense, and u wanna fok it? heheh, nice try xD, we already have vengeance fuked when u used with dagger, cuz it focks ur attack speed, and now u wanna take off stun? im a da/th and i have had lots of pvps vs tanks, archers and more, and i have win and lose some pvps, but i event not get so much stun like u said, i get stun from time to time, and yes when i stun a mage it has a big rate, but its cuz its a mage, has less con, vs tank i have a 75% chance, same have them, and archer with stun +21 not always stun me, so plz dont make this a cry topic, leave stun like it is, 4 years with a fuke DA and now that skills work almost all like the should, u wanna fuked again :D, hehe.
P.S. remember that track dont feel so good, he was at hospital last weekend, so plz leave him rest :D
Only stun chance to alive? Come on! Dont joke with me, all tank combos in 90% are tank/dagger and 9% mage/tank
And dont tell me that dagger sdont make damage for all class who are not /tank, even without really good equipment for dagger they're able to hit for 2-4k or even more. So they use stun only to cast 2 blows and say gf cuz they made new chars and trying to be pro...
Think about all class's
NOT ALL HAVE CASH TO GET +6 VESPER WITH 400/600 ATRB lol....
And oly shouldnt be only for goodgeared players, cuz some guys just know how to play there char, and THEY should be hero not a guy who just clicking F1 or sometimes F2 by missclick ...
there is life out of oly...
I would even say...there is life out of ....l2
Quote from: Lemarc on September 23, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
I would even say...there is life out of ....l2
How can u said smth like that :<<
Quote from: ylim on September 23, 2011, 09:30:23 PM
there is life out of oly...
I think its strange coming from me but Im not talking about oly :)
star run with rezist stun from ee, or fortidute, and u will se diffrence. just beceause your char sux agaist stun its dont need be nerfed.
why there is allway tiopic like nerf this nerf that.....
If your char start sux go learn how to play with it :P
or give up and chage char
now ppl will cry and say "TRACK plz Nerf Chimeras, the rate of paralysis is to high, cant kill 1 (and dont talk about CELTUS)" xD use lionheart, shield slam :D or other skills, is not about nerfing classes is about learning to play ur char :D, lots of ppl have more then 5 chars and most dont even know how to use one char at 100% xD
Quote from: Unt0uchable on September 24, 2011, 01:35:28 AM
star run with rezist stun from ee, or fortidute, and u will se diffrence. just beceause your char sux agaist stun its dont need be nerfed.
why there is allway tiopic like nerf this nerf that.....
If your char start sux go learn how to play with it :P
or give up and chage char
pls teach me how to buff and use my char :-*
Quote from: ylim on September 24, 2011, 12:30:51 PM
pls teach me how to buff and use my char :-*
I think you should ask SirArkas how to set your char to not be stunned, well or at last make some higher resist against stun
even Hiven cant stun him even once on oly ::)
Quote from: ylim on September 24, 2011, 12:30:51 PM
pls teach me how to buff and use my char :-*
use anthy+zaken :)
Quote from: Gonzal on September 24, 2011, 09:41:39 PM
use anthy+zaken :)
u forget smth anthy+zaken+(brain) ;D
Quote from: Unt0uchable on September 24, 2011, 01:35:28 AM
star run with rezist stun from ee, or fortidute, and u will se diffrence. just beceause your char sux agaist stun its dont need be nerfed.
why there is allway tiopic like nerf this nerf that.....
If your char start sux go learn how to play with it :P
or give up and chage char
first must say look who telling somone stop make allways topic nerf this nerf that
2nd for kishin if i dont know to find a solution and if i dont know how barly bealive is posoble to be make it i have +con i use talismans i try evry fu cking sh1t and still cant ressit a shit what should i start runing in robe set for 50% resist stun what a bout shild bush no resue remove target stun 90% is a damn all stun effects fu ck up did u get 1 time during where evar u fight oly pvp bluff to land on u?
i will answer u no + did u turn ur beck 100% how i supos to be or do u lose target from bluff the only think on dagger class what working for the first time mirage ..... is pain in ass to play dagger if is not tank going w/o mirage or w/o MII is sleep time
so ... if is 49 con + shock ressit certificate + shock ressit talismans are not enough at last to ressit 50% tell me honesty is NOT OP
Quote from: NiToPaMi on September 24, 2011, 09:57:47 PM
u forget smth anthy+zaken+(brain) ;D
oh pr0 we forgot to ask u, how to buff
A couple of days ago when i was fighting in olympiad with Kishin,he was landing pretty much well the stuns on me,i really didn't expect them to land,but with enchanted fortitude+10 (rly easy to make cmon...) the land rate narrows itself to minimum.
On Katsu i can't land even a single shield stun because he has higher resists due to clan buffs against stun.
Another useless topic ,proving nothing other than that people love to cry on forum when they dunno sth or can't deal with sth.
Yeah useless topic in ur opinion, cuz my class havent toggles for stun resist or buffs for it, and i dont want to leave my char? It's a bit annoying that 80/90% stuns landing on me and if i good remember epic jewels giving 2x more resist that chance to debuff
I read somewhere valakas giving 80% sleep resist but only 40% to land rate... I'm playing healer class so if not about nerfing maybe about boosting? Having 6k hp on self buff when all are able to do that damage on 3-4hits if not by 1 good blow...
And for sure i know how to play and how to set up my char, and before in hellbound i havent problems with that kind of things...
Quote from: Peorexo on September 25, 2011, 10:09:30 AM
Yeah useless topic in ur opinion, cuz my class havent toggles for stun resist or buffs for it, and i dont want to leave my char? It's a bit annoying that 80/90% stuns landing on me and if i good remember epic jewels giving 2x more resist that chance to debuff
I read somewhere valakas giving 80% sleep resist but only 40% to land rate... I'm playing healer class so if not about nerfing maybe about boosting? Having 6k hp on self buff when all are able to do that damage on 3-4hits if not by 1 good blow...
And for sure i know how to play and how to set up my char, and before in hellbound i havent problems with that kind of things...
when ppl with such game knowledge post, we get our "great" updates.... ::)
http://www.lineage2.com/news/kamael_07.html#other
Quote from: Peorexo on September 25, 2011, 10:09:30 AM
Yeah useless topic in ur opinion, cuz my class havent toggles for stun resist or buffs for it, and i dont want to leave my char? It's a bit annoying that 80/90% stuns landing on me and if i good remember epic jewels giving 2x more resist that chance to debuff
I read somewhere valakas giving 80% sleep resist but only 40% to land rate... I'm playing healer class so if not about nerfing maybe about boosting? Having 6k hp on self buff when all are able to do that damage on 3-4hits if not by 1 good blow...
And for sure i know how to play and how to set up my char, and before in hellbound i havent problems with that kind of things...
No no no...valakas gives 4000% sleep resist 9kk hp and 42k to all attributes....!
Read before you post.
And by the way,maybe using +con would help you to not "CRY" about stuns,also some clan skills would help you like they help Katsu ,40-50 stuns,none landed so far except if i reflected one of his own.So please ...
And about boosting healer,what boost you want?Resist to stun +40% +40% resist to mental and +40% resist to debuffs maybe like all the lamers want here?Coooool stooory br0 !Not that Bp/Pal can have selfres every 20 min (salvation-soul of phoenix-selfres scroll),you want even more boost so it will also be unkillable.God (!) you're smart...ain't ya?
I don't care about mass pvp debuffs cuz there stuns dont land on me cuz of OE resist shock or all kind of resist that i can get there, im talking about 1vs1 self/oly buff style
About rb jewls, thanks for informing me about cuz i wasnt reading about that
But u think why every1 are trying now to make class subbed with tank? Old classes like sh/bd sh/se sps/es sh/ps or even bp/sorc are really rarely meeted right now, guess why ...
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 25, 2011, 10:35:49 AM
No no no...valakas gives 4000% sleep resist 9kk hp and 42k to all attributes....!
Read before you post.
And by the way,maybe using +con would help you to not "CRY" about stuns,also some clan skills would help you like they help Katsu ,40-50 stuns,none landed so far except if i reflected one of his own.So please ...
And about boosting healer,what boost you want?Resist to stun +40% +40% resist to mental and +40% resist to debuffs maybe like all the lamers want here?Coooool stooory br0 !Not that Bp/Pal can have selfres every 20 min (salvation-soul of phoenix-selfres scroll),you want even more boost so it will also be unkillable.God (!) you're smart...ain't ya?
if u read the fu cking post u will notice it that i say it 49 con and if u know the char`s stats 49 con is not 1st stat
2nd katsu katsu is not his buffing or somethign els simple 50% chance to ressit stun is comeing from the 1 and only VESPER SET
so i should start verying robe set also? such a knowleg..... from evryone looking on outher mistake`s get up with some idea why is this heppening coz evan blinde guy will undestand on our sever what is OP who replay and defand on something is allways somone who have advantage from that ..... stun was landing allways on ppl with - con not proper ressits and that kind of staffs but this now is TO FU CKING lame
go ruing the playgame of evrything afther wining somone who did not wake up from stuns tell him gf they only way of pro win is
p,s : tell me one of u who post here who got bluff land it on him who have +con on him {almost all have bluff+15 CHANCE}
Quote from: Peorexo on September 25, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
I don't care about mass pvp debuffs cuz there stuns dont land on me cuz of OE resist shock or all kind of resist that i can get there, im talking about 1vs1 self/oly buff style
About rb jewls, thanks for informing me about cuz i wasnt reading about that
But u think why every1 are trying now to make class subbed with tank? Old classes like sh/bd sh/se sps/es sh/ps or even bp/sorc are really rarely meeted right now, guess why ...
Oh god,you think tank is 1 shield stun skill ?Jesus, you're more dumb than i thought no sense answering to that last part about people making tanks for 1 skill as you say.
Quote from: Kastro on September 25, 2011, 11:59:14 AM
if u read the fu cking post u will notice it that i say it 49 con and if u know the char`s stats 49 con is not 1st stat
2nd katsu katsu is not his buffing or somethign els simple 50% chance to ressit stun is comeing from the 1 and only VESPER SET
so i should start verying robe set also? such a knowleg..... from evryone looking on outher mistake`s get up with some idea why is this heppening coz evan blinde guy will undestand on our sever what is OP who replay and defand on something is allways somone who have advantage from that ..... stun was landing allways on ppl with - con not proper ressits and that kind of staffs but this now is TO FU CKING lame
go ruing the playgame of evrything afther wining somone who did not wake up from stuns tell him gf they only way of pro win is
p,s : tell me one of u who post here who got bluff land it on him who have +con on him {almost all have bluff+15 CHANCE}
No,let's make it that it won't land on 39 lvl with karmian set ,death penalty.and grade penalty. THEN and ONLY then you'll be happy. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 25, 2011, 12:59:23 PM
Oh god,you think tank is 1 shield stun skill ?Jesus, you're more dumb than i thought no sense answering to that last part about people making tanks for 1 skill as you say.
No,let's make it that it won't land on 39 lvl with karmian set ,death penalty.and grade penalty. THEN and ONLY then you'll be happy. ;D ;D ;D
use ur brain a bit dude dont tell me ferystorys if u dont have brain pls go beck to ur cave if u dont un destand meaning there is no more sh1t i can use to get more ressit and stun still land what`s mean to u fu cking idiot!
I dont said they making only for shield stun, but now no1 have "balls?" to play char different than others, are making tanks cuz they're scared of being 1hit target cuz mby they dont know how buff correclty or smth... Now there is no teamplay like it was before, guys dont make support class for helping they mates just tanks to defend they ass and playing alone
Quote from: Kastro on September 25, 2011, 01:30:29 PM
use ur brain a bit dude dont tell me ferystorys if u dont have brain pls go beck to ur cave if u dont un destand meaning there is no more sh1t i can use to get more ressit and stun still land what`s mean to u fu cking idiot!
You're so mad that you can't play your char that you can't even type correctly. :D I guess you're some pathetic newbie from some lowskilled clan like WP. ^^ I have a better suggestion for you,actually 2 of them!
1st is : Let's nerf everyone on server and give your own char a boost,maybe you'll be able to manage to kill 1 person or even 2 mobs at once!
2nd is : There is a great game on facebook,it's called tetris ,i would suggest you trying this but i sertiously doubt you'd have the skill for that either. :-X :-*
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 25, 2011, 01:43:49 PM
You're so mad that you can't play your char that you can't even type correctly. :D I guess you're some pathetic newbie from some lowskilled clan like WP. ^^ I have a better suggestion for you,actually 2 of them!
1st is : Let's nerf everyone on server and give your own char a boost,maybe you'll be able to manage to kill 1 person or even 2 mobs at once!
2nd is : There is a great game on facebook,it's called tetris ,i would suggest you trying this but i sertiously doubt you'd have the skill for that either. :-X :-*
next time inform ur self who i`m afther speck bullsh1t i`m playing th/pp {saddami} and is not about killing somone is about is pain in ass ruing the game play if u want see what i`m specking about w8 the video of the korean evant where i play vs madman and u will know what i`m specking about count there that clan skills was UP also and see how i was able to ressit stuns
i dont wanna read 4 page of spam
btw stun its not overpowered but have 1 little problem that all other debuff dont have
u can have stun also when u have already
when u have other debuff u cant be affected by same debuff if that its still in
otherwise on stun this is not like this, u can be affected by consecutively stun also when debuff its already in
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i hope this screen can explain my point
i suggest to GM to make a test
and try to fix cause its the only problem that this skill have
Quote from: Kastro on September 26, 2011, 12:00:04 AM
next time inform ur self who i`m afther speck bullsh1t i`m playing th/pp {saddami} and is not about killing somone is about is pain in ass ruing the game play if u want see what i`m specking about w8 the video of the korean evant where i play vs madman and u will know what i`m specking about count there that clan skills was UP also and see how i was able to ressit stuns
:| You think i care who you are?For me you're like every other player on server ...sorry ,correction *every crier* on the server....make some tank and check stun landrate for yourself ,then speak about OP cause you rly know totally nothing about it...
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 26, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
:| You think i care who you are?For me you're like every other player on server ...sorry ,correction *every crier* on the server....make some tank and check stun landrate for yourself ,then speak about OP cause you rly know totally nothing about it...
dude u are patetic not me WHEN U FU CKING HAVE NO IDEA OF THIS GAME STOP REPLAYING MY POSTS AND PISSING ME OFF
Dont need to play something to know what`s is OP simple i have eyes to see it and if u are blande and staying in some town and doent move pls stay there and stfu that sh1t of mouth coz is stinks almost same as sethan one saying just pure bullsh1ts all the time around nothing more if is anyone who test before say soemthing is me i nevar speck something from what i heard evryone postiong u screns and prove u but u still know best go back pls in ur mouse hole and stay there is dont need replays from u and ur mouth full of sh1ths
Quote from: Kastro on September 26, 2011, 05:42:03 PM
dude u are patetic not me WHEN U FU CKING HAVE NO IDEA OF THIS GAME STOP REPLAYING MY POSTS AND PISSING ME OFF
Dont need to play something to know what`s is OP simple i have eyes to see it and if u are blande and staying in some town and doent move pls stay there and stfu that sh1t of mouth coz is stinks almost same as sethan one saying just pure bullsh1ts all the time around nothing more if is anyone who test before say soemthing is me i nevar speck something from what i heard evryone postiong u screns and prove u but u still know best go back pls in ur mouse hole and stay there is dont need replays from u and ur mouth full of sh1ths
Huhuhu,someone is mad cause of being unable to play better.x))) Ok,first things 1st.
1)Google translator isn't the best thing to use to post here,cause 85% of things you write make no sense.
2)Flaming me won't make me any harm .x))) Using caps on me either.x))) Will make me only happy watching you pissed off.
3)If you have not even slight knowledge of the game you're playing,maybe it's better for you to just leave it.x)
4)L2 isn't oly like it is for you sitting there 24/7 x))) so you can't even form an opinion about how stun works on normal battlefield.
5) Here,take a bone it will calm you down x))))
(http://www.the-happy-dog-spot.com/images/no-you-cant-have-my-bone-21415101.jpg)
Quote from: Argriev on September 26, 2011, 10:22:51 AM
i dont wanna read 4 page of spam
btw stun its not overpowered but have 1 little problem that all other debuff dont have
u can have stun also when u have already
when u have other debuff u cant be affected by same debuff if that its still in
otherwise on stun this is not like this, u can be affected by consecutively stun also when debuff its already in
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i hope this screen can explain my point
i suggest to GM to make a test
and try to fix cause its the only problem that this skill have
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 27, 2011, 01:16:41 AM
Huhuhu,someone is mad cause of being unable to play better.x))) Ok,first things 1st.
1)Google translator isn't the best thing to use to post here,cause 85% of things you write make no sense.
2)Flaming me won't make me any harm .x))) Using caps on me either.x))) Will make me only happy watching you pissed off.
3)If you have not even slight knowledge of the game you're playing,maybe it's better for you to just leave it.x)
4)L2 isn't oly like it is for you sitting there 24/7 x))) so you can't even form an opinion about how stun works on normal battlefield.
5) Here,take a bone it will calm you down x))))
(http://www.the-happy-dog-spot.com/images/no-you-cant-have-my-bone-21415101.jpg)
dude of any of ur post not prouve anything that u know about somethign how should work 90% landing on something with full ressit tell evrtyhing what should say as i say if u have not notice this stuffs ether u playing some lame char with this stuns or nevar went out of town dont have problem to bit any of this classes just telling here somethign what`s destroying the game play and pissing off many ppl who can avoide this thinks and as i say many time`s eather is bug on some rb julery who icrase duble then should or it`s should be fix it by coder{GM} like was in the first 4 days of gracia nerfing bluff was same land rate like shild stun or shild bush or who evar stun is in all classes soo eather will be bluff removed the nerf or fix it stun`s aslo noting more to add
p.s: u are not that is pissing me off that kinde ppl like u are just free pvp points evrywhere low skilled ppl who allways get addventeg of 1 skill if u want win fair learn to use more then f1 and stun there is each class able to kill outher if u just know how so QQ more use google or what evar but google wont learn u to play
Saddami is th/pp no? maybe it's you pp part who's lame and weak! ::)
Quote from: Kastro on September 27, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
dude of any of ur post not prouve anything that u know about somethign how should work 90% landing on something with full ressit tell evrtyhing what should say as i say if u have not notice this stuffs ether u playing some lame char with this stuns or nevar went out of town dont have problem to bit any of this classes just telling here somethign what`s destroying the game play and pissing off many ppl who can avoide this thinks and as i say many time`s eather is bug on some rb julery who icrase duble then should or it`s should be fix it by coder{GM} like was in the first 4 days of gracia nerfing bluff was same land rate like shild stun or shild bush or who evar stun is in all classes soo eather will be bluff removed the nerf or fix it stun`s aslo noting more to add
p.s: u are not that is pissing me off that kinde ppl like u are just free pvp points evrywhere low skilled ppl who allways get addventeg of 1 skill if u want win fair learn to use more then f1 and stun there is each class able to kill outher if u just know how so QQ more use google or what evar but google wont learn u to play
Why should i prove you anything?Stun works perfectly as it should work on l2off too.I know it cause i played on off and here.If you don't like it,then make some char with stun or don't play.Ofc there is 3rd option to keep crying about sth that works normally.
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 27, 2011, 02:07:13 PM
Why should i prove you anything?Stun works perfectly as it should work on l2off too.I know it cause i played on off and here.If you don't like it,then make some char with stun or don't play.Ofc there is 3rd option to keep crying about sth that works normally.
work like on offcial 99% stun land rate nice joke ... why then if evrything should work like on official why bluff got nerfed why focus power and focus death got nerfed?? or they got nerfed also on official? or was coz of u dieing like a b1tchis with 1 stab coz nevar fix ur chars making attributs and enchants skill or was crying around aaaa 600 atributs with this land rate on energys will cost forchen bla bla but at last for that dmg from dagger was solution to lower it and drop it the dmg but teh think is that for stun there is nothign can do more the incrase +con take certificate for stun ressit tallismans etc etc and with all this land with 99% so sry but is not like official and stop posting coz evan on official even here ur post are based on only 1 sh1t work like is should as we all know nevar work and nevar will work like on official here so pls stop ur craps posts w/o resnoble sense
Quote from: Javardsnegger on September 27, 2011, 01:59:49 PM
Saddami is th/pp no? maybe it's you pp part who's lame and weak! ::)
there is no char who have week saide if evrything work perfect and with sence just to inform u 30% on daggers class not working at all like on all descretshen of skill where say canceling target and work with 100% like shild bush like that mage aoe skill forgot the name same description have switch and trick but here for some reason somone say is mental attack switch and trick {mental attack ffs is not power attack or curse to do anything to enamy } they only think that 2 skill are is for canceling target and based on mental attack is when u cancel to somone target is like won bingo so + the nerfs on dagger who have be made it till now coz of cry boys but we continue live with it so this sh1ts should be fix as well
You should be banned on this forum for crap language.
Go ask Weezer how many stuns i landed .....Both were on pp buff pvping 20 min in raw 1 v 1 .....i landed 1 shield stun during whole pvp .And you tell me stun is OP?Shield stun...1000000000% is not op.
Stun SHOT ,maybe is ,if you enchant it to +30 chance it has almost 1/2 chance to land.
Stop qqing you lowskilled elpy and go back to your doggy house.Good boy!Gooooood booooyyy~!
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 27, 2011, 05:47:35 PM
Go ask Weezer how many stuns i landed .....Both were on pp buff pvping 20 min in raw 1 v 1 .....i landed 1 shield stun during whole pvp .And you tell me stun is OP?Shield stun...1000000000% is not op.
Stun SHOT ,maybe is ,if you enchant it to +30 chance it has almost 1/2 chance to land.
Stop qqing you lowskilled elpy and go back to your doggy house.Good boy!Gooooood booooyyy~!
ele cos he is in vesper set which give 50% stun rssist, just check katsu video where he stun me, i was on full buff, i had ressist schok +15power +fortitude was on. i dont say its OP but something wrong :P
NERF STUNSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Argriev on September 26, 2011, 10:22:51 AM
i dont wanna read 4 page of spam
btw stun its not overpowered but have 1 little problem that all other debuff dont have
u can have stun also when u have already
when u have other debuff u cant be affected by same debuff if that its still in
otherwise on stun this is not like this, u can be affected by consecutively stun also when debuff its already in
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/shot00017h.jpg/
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i hope this screen can explain my point
i suggest to GM to make a test
and try to fix cause its the only problem that this skill have
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 27, 2011, 05:47:35 PM
Go ask Weezer how many stuns i landed .....Both were on pp buff pvping 20 min in raw 1 v 1 .....i landed 1 shield stun during whole pvp .And you tell me stun is OP?Shield stun...1000000000% is not op.
Stun SHOT ,maybe is ,if you enchant it to +30 chance it has almost 1/2 chance to land.
Stop qqing you lowskilled elpy and go back to your doggy house.Good boy!Gooooood booooyyy~!
dude anytime evrywhere 1 vs 1 vs u full buff self buffs u choise anytime!!! we can bet on full gear if u like
Quote from: Kastro on September 27, 2011, 06:36:19 PM
dude anytime evrywhere 1 vs 1 vs u full buff self buffs u choise anytime!!! we can bet on full gear if u like
xD Omg he truly IS retarded.xD He cry about stun,he realize he says bullsh1t and now looks he's looking for pvp to prove he's cool pr0 that gets stun from 49 lvl in karmian cause it's Overpowered. xD What a douchebag! xD
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 27, 2011, 06:39:40 PM
xD Omg he truly IS retarded.xD He cry about stun,he realize he says bullsh1t and now looks he's looking for pvp to prove he's cool pr0 that gets stun from 49 lvl in karmian cause it's Overpowered. xD What a douchebag! xD
no this replay is just for u totaly to show u how lowskilled i`m i`m betting all mine gear come accpet if u have balls or u are just 1 more lamer with big mouth
Quote from: Kastro on September 27, 2011, 07:42:00 PM
no this replay is just for u totaly to show u how lowskilled i`m i`m betting all mine gear come accpet if u have balls or u are just 1 more lamer with big mouth
;D ;D ;D ;D
Makes my day.Sure w/e you want.Pm me ingame.xD
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 27, 2011, 08:11:11 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D
Makes my day.Sure w/e you want.Pm me ingame.xD
pm me on saddami when u are rdy and say where u want come and say the bets
Quote from: Kastro on September 27, 2011, 09:05:37 PM
pm me on saddami when u are rdy and say where u want come and say the bets
till u farm oly, he run on hb ;)
I watch and played oly today. Stun is really facked up and only this. Maybe resists also not work on this? Is unbelievable to see everyone that has stun skill to spam only this and hit only when the opponent is stunned...
Quote from: 6bIK on September 27, 2011, 09:49:36 PM
till u farm oly, he run on hb ;)
:D shh he gonna emorage here again...
Quote from: VforVanilla on September 27, 2011, 09:55:53 PM
I watch and played oly today. Stun is really facked up and only this. Maybe resists also not work on this? Is unbelievable to see everyone that has stun skill to spam only this and hit only when the opponent is stunned...
STUN....is just word .
STUN SHOT-SHIELD STUN-WL'S STUN? What kind of stun you oly dumbasses ...?Shield stun that lands 1/15 in oly and 1/30 on field?:D You're totally out of your mind ppl.:D I wish Weezer write here how many stuns i landed on him today. It was 1 :O OMG OMG OMG ! I LAND 1 STUN DURING 25 MIN OF PVP ! :O
And stun shot below +20 lands like 1/6-7 with enchant to chance ,on +30 it's normal that it lands often....dumbasses...
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 28, 2011, 12:39:32 AM
STUN....is just word .
STUN SHOT-SHIELD STUN-WL'S STUN? What kind of stun you oly dumbasses ...?Shield stun that lands 1/15 in oly and 1/30 on field?:D You're totally out of your mind ppl.:D I wish Weezer write here how many stuns i landed on him today. It was 1 :O OMG OMG OMG ! I LAND 1 STUN DURING 25 MIN OF PVP ! :O
And stun shot below +20 lands like 1/6-7 with enchant to chance ,on +30 it's normal that it lands often....dumbasses...
Ok stupid thing. Listen this:
1st of all was both Shield stun and stun shot. The landing rate was 1/2 at best and i was playing a SWS with 40 CON, Frintezza,Zaken,Antharas,Song of of purification (+30% resist debuff) PLUS the +10% debuff resist from olympiad blessing. If you see it normal tell me. 1st time on my l2 experience i saw in this chronicle mage/tank to use shield bash->1 hydro->shield bash->1 hydro->start running (cause bash failed WOW) and lets go like this from the beggining till the end of match. If on your sh1ty char stun doesn't land better find why cause you are alone but the ones that say something is wrong with stuns are more.
Quote from: Kastro on September 27, 2011, 09:05:37 PM
pm me on saddami when u are rdy and say where u want come and say the bets
O.o opopopopo can i pm u ?
who the fuc k is sadami or kastro or highkiler?
Check Kastro's all posts and u know what u will see?all time he CRY about smth in game special (olymipiad)he do milions post about cancel now he do many posts about stuns what will be next?Talk to u its same like talk to wall.
for people s like kastro we lost fun in game bcz they are so smart"s.They are all time Right in evrething...
Now im waiting for post like nerf Major Heal its OP ;D
Quote from: NiToPaMi on September 28, 2011, 07:59:45 AM
O.o opopopopo can i pm u ?
who the fuc k is sadami or kastro or highkiler?
Check Kastro's all posts and u know what u will see?all time he CRY about smth in game special (olymipiad)he do milions post about cancel now he do many posts about stuns what will be next?Talk to u its same like talk to wall.
for people s like kastro we lost fun in game bcz they are so smart"s.They are all time Right in evrething...
Yea but cancel resist was indeed bugged.
Quote from: NiToPaMi on September 28, 2011, 07:59:45 AM
O.o opopopopo can i pm u ?
who the fuc k is sadami or kastro or highkiler?
Check Kastro's all posts and u know what u will see?all time he CRY about smth in game special (olymipiad)he do milions post about cancel now he do many posts about stuns what will be next?Talk to u its same like talk to wall.
for people s like kastro we lost fun in game bcz they are so smart"s.They are all time Right in evrething...
you are angry cuz now cancel resist work ? ^^ Time to use brain Nito , now enemy have resist vs. your skill No1
Quote from: joroboro on September 28, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
you are angry cuz now cancel resist work ? ^^ Time to use brain Nito , now enemy have resist vs. your skill No1
rly its work ? didnt noticed :P
Quote from: joroboro on September 28, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
you are angry cuz now cancel resist work ? ^^ Time to use brain Nito , now enemy have resist vs. your skill No1
Did im Angry for Cancel? I can win w/o cancel ..About Brain pls check u self at mirror maybe u still have little part in u head..
WHO THE F UCK CARES
Quote from: NiToPaMi on September 28, 2011, 11:00:14 AM
Did im Angry for Cancel? I can win w/o cancel ..About Brain pls check u self at mirror maybe u still have little part in u head..
WHO THE F UCK CARES
oh rly w/o cencel, u made my day, cant stop laugh ;D
Quote from: joroboro on September 28, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
you are angry cuz now cancel resist work ? ^^ Time to use brain Nito , now enemy have resist vs. your skill No1
How does it works ...?
As i noticed it works still like: if you have 10+ buffs - it will always take 5 buffs, if you have less it will take some less... and thats fixed ?
Quote from: 6bIK on September 28, 2011, 11:16:32 AM
oh rly w/o cencel, u made my day, cant stop laugh ;D
if u need prove just pm in game
Quote from: windoo on September 28, 2011, 11:29:38 AM
How does it works ...?
As i noticed it works still like: if you have 10+ buffs - it will always take 5 buffs, if you have less it will take some less... and thats fixed ?
we talk here for cancel? i mean u write in wrong topic XD
Quote from: VforVanilla on September 28, 2011, 01:01:43 AM
Ok stupid thing. Listen this:
1st of all was both Shield stun and stun shot. The landing rate was 1/2 at best and i was playing a SWS with 40 CON, Frintezza,Zaken,Antharas,Song of of purification (+30% resist debuff) PLUS the +10% debuff resist from olympiad blessing. If you see it normal tell me. 1st time on my l2 experience i saw in this chronicle mage/tank to use shield bash->1 hydro->shield bash->1 hydro->start running (cause bash failed WOW) and lets go like this from the beggining till the end of match. If on your sh1ty char stun doesn't land better find why cause you are alone but the ones that say something is wrong with stuns are more.
Are you moron or sth?SHIELD BASH has like 99% chance to land even if you have your damn 5000 con ,that skill works like that ,bashes ENEMY doesn't STUN him,you know the difference between bash and stun retard? SHIELD STUN->8 SEC STUN,LOW CHANCE. SHIELD BASH->1 sec BASH****** ,HIGH Chance.When you'll learn how to play come and talk to me or claim sth is bugged w/o even having the slightest idea what NORMAL is.
Quote from: Luthor123 on September 28, 2011, 12:21:11 PM
Are you moron or sth?SHIELD BASH has like 99% chance to land even if you have your damn 5000 con ,that skill works like that ,bashes ENEMY doesn't STUN him,you know the difference between bash and stun retard? SHIELD STUN->8 SEC STUN,LOW CHANCE. SHIELD BASH->1 sec BASH****** ,HIGH Chance.When you'll learn how to play come and talk to me or claim sth is bugged w/o even having the slightest idea what NORMAL is.
Please you can't be that dump. Cause the Shield bash doesn't say stun in its name, it isn't?
Quoteskill_begin skill_name = [s_shield_stun202] /* [실드 스턴] */ skill_id = 92 level = 52 operate_type = A2 magic_level = 74 self_effect = {} effect = {{p_block_act}} end_effect = {} operate_cond = {{equip_shield}} is_magic = 0 mp_consume2 = 38 cast_range = 40 effective_range = 400 skill_hit_time = 1.2 skill_cool_time = 0.3 skill_hit_cancel_time = 0.5 reuse_delay = 3 activate_rate = 80 lv_bonus_rate = 2 basic_property = con abnormal_time = 9 abnormal_lv = 1 abnormal_type = stun abnormal_instant = 0 irreplaceable_buff = 0 buff_protect_level = 0 attribute = {attr_none;0} trait = {trait_shock} effect_point = -1309 target_type = enemy_only affect_scope = single affect_limit = {0;0} next_action = attack abnormal_visual_effect = ave_stun debuff = 1 ride_state = {@ride_none} multi_class = 0 skill_end
Quoteskill_begin skill_name = [s_shield_bash1] /* [실드 배쉬] */ skill_id = 352 level = 1 operate_type = A2 magic_level = 77 self_effect = {} effect = {{i_target_cancel;80};{p_block_act}} end_effect = {} operate_cond = {{equip_shield}} is_magic = 0 mp_consume2 = 18 cast_range = 40 effective_range = 400 skill_hit_time = 1 skill_cool_time = 0 skill_hit_cancel_time = 0.5 reuse_delay = 3 activate_rate = 80 lv_bonus_rate = 2 basic_property = con abnormal_time = 2 abnormal_lv = 1 abnormal_type = stun abnormal_instant = 0 irreplaceable_buff = 0 buff_protect_level = 0 attribute = {attr_none;0} trait = {trait_shock} effect_point = -666 target_type = enemy_only affect_scope = single affect_limit = {0;0} next_action = attack abnormal_visual_effect = ave_stun debuff = 1 ride_state = {@ride_none} multi_class = 0 skill_end
Happy now?
Quote from: VforVanilla on September 28, 2011, 12:26:25 PM
Please you can't be that dump. Cause the Shield bash doesn't say stun in its name, it isn't?
Happy now?
Are you retarded or sth....?BASH = MINI STUN ,the word bash means MINI STUN. AKA 1 sec stun,why do i even try to explain sth to a parrot...jeez.
Here,have a cracker to shut up Polly. x)
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Quote from: Luthor123 on September 28, 2011, 04:54:12 PM
Are you retarded or sth....?BASH = MINI STUN ,the word bash means MINI STUN. AKA 1 sec stun,why do i even try to explain sth to a parrot...jeez.
Here,have a cracker to shut up Polly. x)
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070428062807/uncyclopedia/images/9/95/Cracker.snack.bread.jpg)
You are here in forum just to piss ppl or what? Aren't you the one that was saying "Even with 5000 Con will land cause it's not stun"? As for the cracker take milk with it and go back to your cave.Yam yam time.
Dude Stun effect is STUN doesnt matter how it is called, shield bash is stunning so its kind of shock attack, and its like unressistable. I understand many chars have it +15 and it land for 2sec, but its cancelling target too + it have short reuse and landing more than often so it should be a bit nerfed or changed how it work... I just want to remember u that is substack everything shouldnt work like official...
i have no idea how it really should be.
but i agree with the basic idea that all stun is to high success.
my kamael stun my sh/bd 90% of time,
my kamael: lvl 80
my sh/bd: lvl 84 with full buffs + resist shock buff, augment on ring: increase abnormal p.def , augment on earring: increase stun p def.
and i get archers shock always as well.
seems to me that stun is land to much, but maybe its how it should be , i dont know.
Quote from: NiToPaMi on September 28, 2011, 11:00:14 AM
Did im Angry for Cancel? I can win w/o cancel ..About Brain pls check u self at mirror maybe u still have little part in u head..
WHO THE F UCK CARES
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is joke on year
Quote from: darkcore on September 28, 2011, 08:46:23 PM
why you ppl can't use ur brains and simple ask to check if CON save throw vs Stun is working properly
if all kind of stuns lands 100% or 99%
meyb is a problem in the extender and not in script
or meyb not ... and im wrong
lol
Well you tell me now,that i land 1/30 stuns on nec/pp during 20 min 1 v 1 pvp .......
I land 1/30 shield stuns on bp/pal during whole siege....
And that guy got 3/4 stuns from 49 lvl archer with karmian and C bow....?I have currently 46 con and i get only stuns like stun shot +25++ or 1/15-25 shield stuns....and about SHIELD BASH ,i get it almost always and don't qq about it cause that's how it is supposed to be......don't like it ,make tank....or find a way to qq less about the obvious truth.
Quote from: Peorexo on September 28, 2011, 05:31:33 PM
Dude Stun effect is STUN doesnt matter how it is called, shield bash is stunning so its kind of shock attack, and its like unressistable. I understand many chars have it +15 and it land for 2sec, but its cancelling target too + it have short reuse and landing more than often so it should be a bit nerfed or changed how it work... I just want to remember u that is substack everything shouldnt work like official...
why it should be nerfed if it work like official?
im can stun mage 1/10 so it need more nerfed???
p.s. вы заебали ныть уже!!!!!то бля канцел им не такой, то стун, потом еще какая нибудь херня. не нравится - меняй сервер.
Quote from: garikUA on September 29, 2011, 08:47:17 AM
p.s. вы заебали ныть уже!!!!!то бля канцел им не такой, то стун, потом еще какая нибудь херня. не нравится - меняй сервер.
+1 xD
why no1 cry baout cancel sorc or sps but pro cry about stun rly funny but vesper robe or dont make -9 con and bb stuns
and cancels ?? what can help mby new track updait he rly know how skils should work is my lineage 2 guru let God Bless Track
Dude im playing necro and im not complaining about cancels, also im using vesper robe and im sure shield bash shouldnt work like it is now... okey it is short but there is substack re lol ! If we talking about full buff its fine but here on subs like sws/tk havent reuse for that bash inside oly so we can stay all fight on stun and w/o target... Skills should work like for substack not 100% off style...
Quote from: violetpl on September 29, 2011, 09:28:31 AM
why no1 cry baout cancel sorc or sps but pro cry about stun rly funny but vesper robe or dont make -9 con and bb stuns
and cancels ?? what can help mby new track updait he rly know how skils should work is my lineage 2 guru let God Bless Track
yeaa and 600 atribute resist in 1 part of armor is off-like ;D
Quote from: Peorexo on September 29, 2011, 03:10:05 PM
Dude im playing necro and im not complaining about cancels, also im using vesper robe and im sure shield bash shouldnt work like it is now... okey it is short but there is substack re lol ! If we talking about full buff its fine but here on subs like sws/tk havent reuse for that bash inside oly so we can stay all fight on stun and w/o target... Skills should work like for substack not 100% off style...
And let me guess,shield bash has no mana cost now you'll say or it's mana cost is extremely low y?What a douche....
oly vs glad/pp 10 min ago
shield bash+14
3 succes 3 ressist
nerf stun its very very very OP