So, as most of you noticed there's been a huuuge swarm of tyrants of different kinds coming up from left and right. The reason is simple, they are way to overpowered in both pvp and pve and in raids they are even stronger. I took some screens with my tyrant/warcryer with normal buffs and with my typical "raid buffs". And after that I took pictures with the char that almost everyone used for solo raids before this chronicle which was th/wl just for reference. Here you can see the results;
TYRANT/WC NORMAL BUFFS:
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7206/normalbuffs.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/normalbuffs.png/)
TYRANT/WC RAID BUFFS;
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9919/raidbuffs.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/raidbuffs.png/)
TH/WL RAID BUFFS;
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1491/slynaraidbuffs.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/slynaraidbuffs.png/)
Same gear on both except weapons are Jade claw+16 on ty/wc and Mamba +15 on th/wl.
Remember that tyrants have their zealot too so not only +10k p.atk more, they also do 100% more critical dmg which is absurd. Imo a p.atk cut for ATLEAST 30% would make this class more balanced, still super strong though but it's atleast a start.
Something has to be done for sure. It's ruining the whole game concept as it is right now.
So let me guess, you want back your OP th/wl for which u donated about 5k euro ?
Nope, I want tyrants to be balanced. NEXT
since when zaelot give 100% more p. atk? bizon or ogre +30% so how u make 20k?
Quote from: Easley on April 01, 2013, 06:25:41 PM
Nope, I want tyrants to be balanced. NEXT
sure u donate for +16 & others new items for tyrant & now u want balance?
perhaps because, despite all that you're still weak and can not even handle the oly
or in pvp with weaker tyr/wc?
Quote from: Phantom on April 01, 2013, 06:30:32 PM
since when zaelot give 100% more p. atk? bizon or ogre +30% so how u make 20k?
He did say raid buff. Which usually includes appetite of destruction.
Quote from: Naroo on April 01, 2013, 06:32:15 PM
He did say raid buff. Which usually includes appetite of destruction.
yes but appetite of destruction have 15 sec , ofc with +30 enchant 30 sec but Who runs with incpector on back?
Monday who picks up yr rb? :)
Quote from: Phantom on April 01, 2013, 06:40:18 PM
yes but appetite of destruction have 15 sec , ofc with +30 enchant 30 sec but Who runs with incpector on back?
people that raid frequently.
Monday do not be a hypocrite, u everyday alone kill RB in LOA ofc with full bot party with quest on all
He is posting this to make it harder for himself to raid at all so why are you saying that he is hypocritical? Do you honestly think that he would benefit from being nerfed? That your saying that he is doing something that even theoreticly could be called hypocritical makes no sense whatsoever. Nerfing his own char would not benefit him at all...
still do not understand the purpose of this topic, GM here (arena) can not do any nerf here without drake
can not even fix stupid error with zerk in NPC buffer from several months or bad items in Igor
so if on dragonx15 tyr/wc was not nerf I see no reason that there had to happen
Quote from: Phantom on April 01, 2013, 06:30:32 PM
since when zaelot give 100% more p. atk? bizon or ogre +30% so how u make 20k?
lol?
Quote from: Phantom on April 01, 2013, 06:30:32 PMsure u donate for +16 & others new items for tyrant & now u want balance?
perhaps because, despite all that you're still weak and can not even handle the oly
or in pvp with weaker tyr/wc?
I'm using my ty/wc for raids only, I use it in pvp from time to time too and it's just way to strong.
Quote from: Phantom on April 01, 2013, 06:45:18 PM
Monday do not be a hypocrite, u everyday alone kill RB in LOA ofc with full bot party with quest on all
Exactly, I can do that. Guess why? Coz this class is way to strong and it's pissing me off, you really can't call me a hypocrite if I want it to be fixed. As arby says it affects me as much as every other Ty/wc or ty/ol that solo raids everything on this server, as of right now I only use Monday on raids coz it's impossible to die at a raid and everything dies within 5 minutes (frintezza almost 2 minutes....)
and what do you want to go to RB with full party? beat RB for 30 minutes? Arena dont have so many people that everyone can go to RB with full party, TYR has such features as apparently such is to be in this chronicle, I was lucky, not everyone buys +16 like you. so who kick yr ass? iqub? reee?( only+12) ziggs?
Quote from: Phantom on April 01, 2013, 07:12:09 PM
and what do you want to go to RB with full party? beat RB for 30 minutes? Arena dont have so many people that everyone can go to RB with full party, TYR has such features as apparently such is to be in this chronicle, I was lucky, not everyone buys +16 like you. so who kick yr ass? iqub? reee?( only+12) ziggs?
I want to see other chars than only tyrants. "such is to be in this chronicle", it's not modified after a substack server so adjustments has to be made. kick my ass where? on raids? wtf are you talking about?
Quote from: Easley on April 01, 2013, 07:49:32 PM
I want to see other chars than only tyrants. "such is to be in this chronicle", it's not modified after a substack server so adjustments has to be made. kick my ass where? on raids? wtf are you talking about?
pointless topic. arena always has only he/wl , th/wl , sps/tk and few sps/ee in server, then th/pal , sps/tk, sps/ee few ty/wc (or ol) and few th/wl. tyrant will be nerfed, then on server will be only th/wl , th/pal , sps/tk and sps/ee (i count most of class what u can see ig)
Quote from: Ath on April 01, 2013, 08:30:57 PM
pointless topic. arena always has only he/wl , th/wl , sps/tk and few sps/ee in server, then th/pal , sps/tk, sps/ee few ty/wc (or ol) and few th/wl. tyrant will be nerfed, then on server will be only th/wl , th/pal , sps/tk and sps/ee (i count most of class what u can see ig)
It's just balancing of chars. A ty/wc with more p.atk than a destro.. And 10k p.atk on normal buffs (normally only archers got that much). Not to mention that ty/wc actually have more p.atk with a bow than an archer have .. Same with dagger
Easly have right.. 50% tyrs in game.. must be nerfed, cause others chars have small chance to be better than tyr..
stop crying, 10k p. atk yes but with jade claw +16 & elegia light set (Critical Rate +171) without this set all use hawk totem , so cant use ogre or bizon) better lower p. atk with 370-400 crit rate > more p.atk with low crit rate
u want nerf all tyrants because few ppl have 10k patk?
what next? th/wl sps/tk? with +16?
Quote from: Rzadki on April 01, 2013, 09:08:44 PM
Easly have right.. 50% tyrs in game.. must be nerfed, cause others chars have small chance to be better than tyr..
and when the other class will be better then must be nerf too, because 50% server will be playing this class= vicious circle
Quote from: Ath on April 01, 2013, 08:30:57 PM
pointless topic. arena always has only he/wl , th/wl , sps/tk and few sps/ee in server, then th/pal , sps/tk, sps/ee few ty/wc (or ol) and few th/wl. tyrant will be nerfed, then on server will be only th/wl , th/pal , sps/tk and sps/ee (i count most of class what u can see ig)
+1
beautiful punch line for close pointless topic
Quote from: Thorns on April 01, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
stop crying, 10k p. atk yes but with jade claw +16 & elegia light set
It's not elegia light set. And trust me, all donated tyrants have around that p.atk (our clan doesnt even have a single ward so my p.atk is LOW). Sps/tk is nerfed already and I think it's balanced as it is. TH/WL is nerfed too, coz I'm missing around ~20-30% p.atk from last chronicle and tyrants is WAY worse than TH/WL ever was. A tyrant is the hardest hitting char ingame with the most m.def/p.def ingame (not counting sof/ud skills) and the strongest skills ingame, I'm not even saying that anything else should be nerfed about them, only their base p.atk.
I could also keep playing my tyrant/wc and be OP like everyone else and I did that for a few weeks, but it's gotten ridiculous now and as it is now there's no point playing any other chars.
Quote from: Easley on April 01, 2013, 09:52:41 PM
And trust me, all donated tyrants have around that p.atk
so nerf donate!! delete all +16 What do you think? 8)
Slyna, did u play at h5 ?? .. i on tyrant in vesp nobl set and vesp +7 has like 10200 p.atack so (im talking abt normal server)
but it was extremy buff on p.atack xDD usually i has like 6k p.atack and 5k p.def
so here with elegia +6 and jada+16 (+ wc toogle p.atak) is normal that u will have crazy p.atack
Quote from: Ath on April 01, 2013, 10:13:47 PM
Slyna, did u play at h5 ?? .. i on tyrant in vesp nobl set and vesp +7 has like 10200 p.atack so (im talking abt normal server)
but it was extremy buff on p.atack xDD usually i has like 6k p.atack and 5k p.def
so here with elegia +6 and jada+16 (+ wc toogle p.atak) is normal that u will have crazy p.atack
Well, his experience is with Paypal so how he should know ???
Quote from: Thorns on April 01, 2013, 10:00:24 PM
so nerf donate!! delete all +16 What do you think? 8)
I reach around 8k with selfenchanted vesper fists on normal buffs too so what's your point? It's not about the weapons it's about the stacking subclass that needs some adjusting same as the rest of all substacking classes on dragon network
Quote from: Ath on April 01, 2013, 10:13:47 PM
Slyna, did u play at h5 ?? .. i on tyrant in vesp nobl set and vesp +7 has like 10200 p.atack so (im talking abt normal server)
but it was extremy buff on p.atack xDD usually i has like 6k p.atack and 5k p.def
so here with elegia +6 and jada+16 (+ wc toogle p.atak) is normal that u will have crazy p.atack
Yeah this isnt official, and no class here is same on official, because it caused imbalanced classes just like this one. Welcome to dragon network, dude.
And besides, if u reach 10k max on official it 's fine. If you didnt notice I reached 21k. +30 on soulcry gives around 500 p.atk and jade claw+16 a few hundred more p.atk than vesper +7 (lets say around 200 more )doesnt equal 11k more p.atk with the same buffs dude.
Quote from: Easley on April 01, 2013, 11:14:12 PM
I reach around 8k with selfenchanted vesper fists on normal buffs too so what's your point? It's not about the weapons it's about the stacking subclass that needs some adjusting same as the rest of all substacking classes on dragon networkYeah this isnt official, and no class here is same on official, because it caused imbalanced classes just like this one. Welcome to dragon network, dude.
And besides, if u reach 10k max on official it 's fine. If you didnt notice I reached 21k. +30 on soulcry gives around 500 p.atk and jade claw+16 a few hundred more p.atk than vesper +7 (lets say around 200 more )doesnt equal 11k more p.atk with the same buffs dude.
w00t , p.atack in stats between vesp+7 and jada+16 its 200 ?? .. are u srsly ? :DD
in words " welcome to draong network" u just answer to ur question abt nerf.. its not gonna happen bro, cause DN servers are just freaked up haaaard, nothin here is like should be so =))
Quote from: Easley on April 01, 2013, 05:56:19 PM
So, as most of you noticed there's been a huuuge swarm of tyrants of different kinds coming up from left and right. The reason is simple, they are way to overpowered in both pvp and pve and in raids they are even stronger. I took some screens with my tyrant/warcryer with normal buffs and with my typical "raid buffs". And after that I took pictures with the char that almost everyone used for solo raids before this chronicle which was th/wl just for reference. Here you can see the results;
TYRANT/WC NORMAL BUFFS:
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7206/normalbuffs.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/normalbuffs.png/)
TYRANT/WC RAID BUFFS;
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9919/raidbuffs.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/raidbuffs.png/)
TH/WL RAID BUFFS;
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1491/slynaraidbuffs.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/slynaraidbuffs.png/)
Same gear on both except weapons are Jade claw+16 on ty/wc and Mamba +15 on th/wl.
Remember that tyrants have their zealot too so not only +10k p.atk more, they also do 100% more critical dmg which is absurd. Imo a p.atk cut for ATLEAST 30% would make this class more balanced, still super strong though but it's atleast a start.
Something has to be done for sure. It's ruining the whole game concept as it is right now.
tbh Denis, i respect u, but stop QQ abt op tyr/wc or tyr/ol - there is no, there wont be balance - as ath already said - on x200 we dont see Sorc/pp, Sorc/wk, Es/Sps, Bd/Sh or another type of assistance chars;
why? pointless + useless/weak chars - unplayable ones - just dual boxes for supporting..
Quote from: sixyPro on April 02, 2013, 01:23:45 AM
tbh Denis, i respect u, but stop QQ abt op tyr/wc or tyr/ol - there is no, there wont be balance - as ath already said - on x200 we dont see Sorc/pp, Sorc/wk, Es/Sps, Bd/Sh or another type of assistance chars;
why? pointless + useless/weak chars - unplayable ones - just dual boxes for supporting..
neah, there are ppl that still play support, such as Bartus and some more ppl, he was decent he/wk ;p idk if he still play
Quote from: Ath on April 02, 2013, 12:34:08 AM
w00t , p.atack in stats between vesp+7 and jada+16 its 200 ?? .. are u srsly ? :DD
in words " welcome to draong network" u just answer to ur question abt nerf.. its not gonna happen bro, cause DN servers are just freaked up haaaard, nothin here is like should be so =))
in p.atk stats of weapon yeah, somewhere around those numbers I guess, havent time to log and check it. Do it yourself and tell me? how come p.atk on th/wl got cut by 30% and sps/tk is alot more balanced now and you say "its not gonna happen bro". Obviously, things do actually happen.. bro.
Quote from: Easley on April 02, 2013, 06:48:35 AM
in p.atk stats of weapon yeah, somewhere around those numbers I guess, havent time to log and check it. Do it yourself and tell me? how come p.atk on th/wl got cut by 30% and sps/tk is alot more balanced now and you say "its not gonna happen bro". Obviously, things do actually happen.. bro.
sps/tk only his heal is nerfed, but still from b.heal can heal 700 per second ^^ .. in wep stats yes 200, but in chars stats it will be like 4k ?? .. soo =))) , th/wl ? TH at h5 from normal attack ? it can suck di.ck, only SKILLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its TH ! not spam F1
FriXy, well me and cronx i guess dont count 1 guy on server to list most used chars xDD
Quote from: Ath on April 02, 2013, 09:42:15 AM
sps/tk only his heal is nerfed
Yeah except that isnt correct. Their shield def/toggles got fixed. Still this isnt about sps/tk or th/wl at all, I'm posting a screen of my ty/wc on my normal raidbuffs and it's 21k p.atk without even beeing maxed. If it was a destro it would be fine by me, but its not.
Quote from: Easley on April 02, 2013, 09:57:52 AM
Yeah except that isnt correct. Their shield def/toggles got fixed. Still this isnt about sps/tk or th/wl at all, I'm posting a screen of my ty/wc on my normal raidbuffs and it's 21k p.atk without even beeing maxed. If it was a destro it would be fine by me, but its not.
well at H5 Tyr / Glad and dark elf dagger are most OP chars , and necro if have full +30/15 skills =)) ..
slyna, try on ur th use dual daggers, do skills + duel (u no need atr in wep then) and use skills .. if damage will be funny. then Tyrants skills not work corrctly also, and if his skill dont work good, then u shouldnt even QQ abt his p.atak xDD
and well i see here, u just want bring to life ur th/wl bcs atm he sux?? , and if they will nerf tyrant p.atack (what is stupid idea) then on server u will see only th/wl and few th/pal and sps/ee /tk ..
p.s u know that th no need p.atak ?? special at h5 ? =) .. and if u just want play f1 do pal/wl and use sword/pole and u will see not bad dmg then =))
Quote from: Ath on April 02, 2013, 11:14:52 AM
well at H5 Tyr / Glad and dark elf dagger are most OP chars , and necro if have full +30/15 skills =)) ..
slyna, try on ur th use dual daggers, do skills + duel (u no need atr in wep then) and use skills .. if damage will be funny. then Tyrants skills not work corrctly also, and if his skill dont work good, then u shouldnt even QQ abt his p.atak xDD
Glad, Tyrant and AW is good class in H5 because of their skills, not their base p.atk reaching over 20k.. Dude, are you seriously trying to teach me how to play TH? Duel sucks here because we're using gracia final attribute system instead of H5 and therefore renders duel not worth having, guess you didn't kno that huh? It's the same for all skills that can be enchanted for "elemental"..
Quote from: Ath on April 02, 2013, 11:14:52 AMp.s u know that th no need p.atak ?? special at h5 ? =) .. and if u just want play f1 do pal/wl and use sword/pole and u will see not bad dmg then =))
You're completely clueless about dragon network if you think that's how it works here. Don't write anything more if you don't know what's up coz you're looking like a retard. And once again, I only posted the picture of Th/wl coz I wanted to show a reference picture. I didn't intend to post that screen at all from the beginning.
Quote from: Easley on April 02, 2013, 11:30:22 AM
Glad, Tyrant and AW is good class in H5 because of their skills, not their base p.atk reaching over 20k.. Dude, are you seriously trying to teach me how to play TH? Duel sucks here because we're using gracia final attribute system instead of H5 and therefore renders duel not worth having, guess you didn't kno that huh? It's the same for all skills that can be enchanted for "elemental"..
You're completely clueless about dragon network if you think that's how it works here. Don't write anything more if you don't know what's up coz you're looking like a retard. And once again, I only posted the picture of Th/wl coz I wanted to show a reference picture. I didn't intend to post that screen at all from the beginning.
i can only say that u are retarded if u cry abt tyr/wc to th or even wl p.atack.. and abt gracia atr so what ? duel enchant works same from gracia to h5 , so ?? and nooo DN isnt a skilless servers (hmm now only Dragon), only Arena then. so ?
i will say again WANT PLAY F1 DO PAL/WL ! cause on th/wl u can suck dk from f1, it never again will be so OP like b4 (read hb/it) so now u can only try dyes -str and use dual daggers (ic+ms) and l set for full eva... aaaa damn i forgot that arena is skilless server =))) GL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
im back to offi cu.
Quote from: Ath on April 02, 2013, 11:51:21 AM
i can only say that u are retarded if u cry abt tyr/wc to th or even wl p.atack.. and abt gracia atr so what ? duel enchant works same from gracia to h5 , so ?? and nooo DN isnt a skilless servers (hmm now only Dragon), only Arena then. so ?
i will say again WANT PLAY F1 DO PAL/WL ! cause on th/wl u can suck dk from f1, it never again will be so OP like b4 (read hb/it) so now u can only try dyes -str and use dual daggers (ic+ms) and l set for full eva... aaaa damn i forgot that arena is skilless server =))) GL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
im back to offi cu.
Why do you get caught up on th/wl? My post was about tyrant p.atk reaching messed up numbers, I can reach 35k if I get the buffs that I didnt take when I took that screenshot.. That doesn't seem high to you?
Duel could work as it should but since we have gracia final attribute system elemental skills are still better. I DONT WANT TO PLAY A F1 CHAR, I HAVE TY/WC FOR THAT BUT THE CLASS IS TO STRONG DUDE. Nothing wrong with th except the attribute system is from gracia final. Learn to read. Gtfo now.
first time to hear someone complain that he has to strong char, so why u buy +16 fist?
Change to vesper Fighter +3 and problem solved, I did not hear that others complained about the to strong tyr, even when playing another class.
and somehow I did not see you on the pvp or oly on monday char, so what do you want? u now to week on slyna th/wl vs tyr/wc and here is the problem?
Quote from: Easley on April 02, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
Why do you get caught up on th/wl? My post was about tyrant p.atk reaching messed up numbers, I can reach 35k if I get the buffs that I didnt take when I took that screenshot.. That doesn't seem high to you?
Duel could work as it should but since we have gracia final attribute system elemental skills are still better. I DONT WANT TO PLAY A F1 CHAR, I HAVE TY/WC FOR THAT BUT THE CLASS IS TO STRONG DUDE. Nothing wrong with th except the attribute system is from gracia final. Learn to read. Gtfo now.
wiith my vesp+9 i has 49,5k p.atack on my ty if u know what and when use, most of chars can do crazy p/m.atack so stop cry abt TYRANTS bcs every1 know here that u play th/wl and is ur favorite char.. and only that why u QQ , bcs when th/wl was faking OP then u didint spam to nerf th/wl .. gtfo ? bcs i say true ? and u got nervous ? =))))
Quote from: Thorns on April 02, 2013, 12:14:17 PM
first time to hear someone complain that he has to strong char, so why u buy +16 fist?
Change to vesper Fighter +3 and problem solved, I did not hear that others complained about the to strong tyr, even when playing another class.
and somehow I did not see you on the pvp or oly on monday char, so what do you want? u now to week on slyna th/wl vs tyr/wc and here is the problem?
The reason I'm complaining over a char that I play myself is because I don't want a char that is good in all ways to exist (pvp, pve, oly) coz then everybody will eventually play it and none will think about using any other chars and for me that is super boring and lame.. I'm still using my tyrant for raids because it's convenient and that's why I donated for my +16 jade claws. I don't care if it gets nerfed at all, there just shouldn't be a char that is superior on ALL aspects of the game.
Quote from: Ath on April 02, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
wiith my vesp+9 i has 49,5k p.atack on my ty if u know what and when use, most of chars can do crazy p/m.atack so stop cry abt TYRANTS bcs every1 know here that u play th/wl and is ur favorite char.. and only that why u QQ , bcs when th/wl was faking OP then u didint spam to nerf th/wl .. gtfo ? bcs i say true ? and u got nervous ? =))))
No you "has" not, atleast I seriously doubt it. Yeah they CAN do crazy p.atk but 10k with normal buffs on a tyrant is OP and when they have more p.atk with a weapon that they dont have masteries for than the character with skills for that weapon is just lame. Yes, I like playing Slyna and I see no problem with it. It doesnt have 4-5k p.def / m.def and not a huge amount of P.atk and can be killed easily. Ty/wc is just a OP char that everyone makes to "pwn", that's also why I think it's ok if it gets nerfed even though I play it every day. Now, gtfo you're annoying.
Quote from: Easley on April 02, 2013, 12:35:02 PM
The reason I'm complaining over a char that I play myself is because I don't want a char that is good in all ways to exist (pvp, pve, oly) coz then everybody will eventually play it and none will think about using any other chars and for me that is super boring and lame.. I'm still using my tyrant for raids because it's convenient and that's why I donated for my +16 jade claws. I don't care if it gets nerfed at all, there just shouldn't be a char that is superior on ALL aspects of the game.
No you "has" not, atleast I seriously doubt it. Yeah they CAN do crazy p.atk but 10k with normal buffs on a tyrant is OP and when they have more p.atk with a weapon that they dont have masteries for than the character with skills for that weapon is just lame. Yes, I like playing Slyna and I see no problem with it. It doesnt have 4-5k p.def / m.def and not a huge amount of P.atk and can be killed easily. Ty/wc is just a OP char that everyone makes to "pwn", that's also why I think it's ok if it gets nerfed even though I play it every day. Now, gtfo you're annoying.
annoying cause of saying the true ? mmmmmm oke :DD
anyway fck this server.. idk why u still QQ abt this server i really dont understand u, u left server when here play like 60ppl .. now u back to server when activ is around 15ppl and u QQ hard..
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/shot00010vp.jpg/ it all what i can do here... do same, and just forgot abt play here.. bcs on arena always will be smth what need be fixed, and after u will fix Tyrants.. then some new "char" will start pwn every1, so again will be QQ hard, and that over and over...
really i hope u will finally fix Tyrants and u will can pwn every1 from ur UBER OP TH/WL (every1 i mean that 15ppl) i really wish u it .. now really Cya,
Quote from: Ath on April 02, 2013, 12:42:40 PM
annoying cause of saying the true ? mmmmmm oke :DD
anyway fck this server.. idk why u still QQ abt this server i really dont understand u, u left server when here play like 60ppl .. now u back to server when activ is around 15ppl and u QQ hard..
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/shot00010vp.jpg/ it all what i can do here... do same, and just forgot abt play here.. bcs on arena always will be smth what need be fixed, and after u will fix Tyrants.. then some new "char" will start pwn every1, so again will be QQ hard, and that over and over...
really i hope u will finally fix Tyrants and u will can pwn every1 from ur UBER OP TH/WL (every1 i mean that 15ppl) i really wish u it .. now really Cya,
Bye. Btw I never stopped "pwning" with Slyna.
I dont understand why you all think that he wants TH/WL to be OP again, he simply used that to compare. Could do the same thing with tyrant/wc and pal/HE. So the point is not to boost or make any other class more OP, the point is obviously to make 1 class LESS OP.
If you really read what he says you will understand that he wants it to be nerfed, not completely destroyed an unplayable.
Anyway, this is something i will discuss with the admins and other GMs.
I will no lock this topic to avoid unnecessary spam and flame.