Nice feature, but keep in mind that people need pippet knife for retail.
With this zone, only big clans can get nobless.
So please make an option to make pippet knife a vote option or a different / side quest for it.
Agree baium should not be PvP zone
They just need to implement killing angels instead of hitting baium and pvp zone can stay there.
Quote from: Nickelback on December 28, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
They just need to implement killing angels instead of hitting baium and pvp zone can stay there.
+1 for good idea
Quote from: Nickelback on December 28, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
They just need to implement killing angels instead of hitting baium and pvp zone can stay there.
Not bad idea but rewriting in ai.obj and modifying script stuff is more work than disable PvP in that place xP
That's true, but disabling pvp area will also disable most of fun u could get there, and waiting hours and hours just to hit baium for noblesse is also pain in the ass.
Quote from: Nickelback on December 28, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
They just need to implement killing angels instead of hitting baium and pvp zone can stay there.
Awesome idea.
Or make something like that - if character have pipete knife, replace it with red pippete knife while entering baium room.
Quote from: somasz on December 29, 2013, 12:56:55 PM
Or make something like that - if character have pipete knife, replace it with red pippete knife while entering baium room.
I'm pretty sure that in this case PvP area would be not just Baium's room but 13th floor - the guarding area.
Quote from: Abaddon on December 29, 2013, 01:07:30 PM
If character has pipete knife in hand > it cannot cast any skill or attack and has celestial shield ^^
that will be abused
I think that the best way for pippete knife is making them from vote coins/other quest
Quote from: Deathmagnetic on December 29, 2013, 01:16:36 PM
I think that the best way for pippete knife is making them from vote coins/other quest
And that would result in a second -...
Hello,
Thank you for suggestin we will think about it and will inform you all.
Thank you!
Okay thank you, also think about this:
- Added 7 Golkondas in total , 2 of them Normal ones (+1 Zone added), and 5 quest golkondas. Normal ones will have _pvp zone around, while quest ones will have some limitations to prevent bad players obstructing non subbed players to take it.
Normal ones (the one from TOI) spawns the box for retail, so pvp zone there is the same problem.
Quote from: Wh1sper on December 30, 2013, 10:25:12 AM
Okay thank you, also think about this:
- Added 7 Golkondas in total , 2 of them Normal ones (+1 Zone added), and 5 quest golkondas. Normal ones will have _pvp zone around, while quest ones will have some limitations to prevent bad players obstructing non subbed players to take it.
Normal ones (the one from TOI) spawns the box for retail, so pvp zone there is the same problem.
I can understand for Baium , but really , get a clan play with real people as team. It is MMO in the end. When someone troubles you , call your clan mates/ally mates and go revenge your member . This is the concept we should all follow in order to get tons of actions.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 30, 2013, 10:43:16 AM
I can understand for Baium , but really , get a clan play with real people as team. It is MMO in the end. When someone troubles you , call your clan mates/ally mates and go revenge your member . This is the concept we should all follow in order to get tons of actions.
Amen.
Another thing - why all epics have pvp zone except zaken?
Zaken door will be fixed or "old fashion" strider will work?
Quote from: somasz on December 30, 2013, 10:57:55 AM
Another thing - why all epics have pvp zone except zaken?
Zaken door will be fixed or "old fashion" strider will work?
I will probably try to fix the door, but of course , reported exploiters will be banned. Same goes for any other exploiter.
And why zaken is excluded, well the real pvp happens in fornt of the door which is quite small area to make it pvp zone. At least thats my opinion, suggestions are always welcome.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 30, 2013, 11:02:40 AM
I will probably try to fix the door, but of course , reported exploiters will be banned. Same goes for any other exploiter.
And why zaken is excluded, well the real pvp happens in fornt of the door which is quite small area to make it pvp zone. At least thats my opinion, suggestions are always welcome.
summon on whole devil isle will work ?
u can make whole devil isle or just ship pvp zone
With fixed doors and blocked summon on whole devils island, ppl will gather from spawn on specific hours so there will be much more aviable pvp spots, not only near gate. Thais why pvp zone on most of island will be nice.
Put the whole island under PvP zone, it's not like anyone is exping there on IL.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 30, 2013, 10:43:16 AM
I can understand for Baium , but really , get a clan play with real people as team. It is MMO in the end. When someone troubles you , call your clan mates/ally mates and go revenge your member . This is the concept we should all follow in order to get tons of actions.
You are right that this is MMO and mass pvps and teamwork is important, but not essential and as I know from my experience there are many players who cannot afford to play a lot and are playing solo or with friends. Many people quit server when access to essential things is unavailable because of people and zergs who are blocking raid bosses like barakiel or important locations on purpose. For example zergs can block barakiel, so only they are noblesse and other players are unable to kill it. However, when it comes to epic raid bosses I agree with pvp zone as they are desirable.
There is also a thing called politics.... I remember a common thing people being allowed to get the sub if they were not enemies of the side who won the mass pvp for Baium.
So small clans, just make great diplomacy and alliances.
Servers tend to have 2 big sides, one or other will make it time to time. There will be no "single zerg that prevents everyone". Cause single zerg = no fun for both sides and death server. That's not how it usually goes.
I consider completely normal struggling and fighting for months to get the retail-sub... but hey... I'm from very ancient times. And i like that cause that makes stuff more serious. If someone was mocking you there for months you grow true rage towards them, and then the never ending conflict full of feelings of "revenge" starts to snowball. I would love that.
Quote from: Terial on January 02, 2014, 03:14:26 AM
You are right that this is MMO and mass pvps and teamwork is important, but not essential and as I know from my experience there are many players who cannot afford to play a lot and are playing solo or with friends. Many people quit server when access to essential things is unavailable because of people and zergs who are blocking raid bosses like barakiel or important locations on purpose. For example zergs can block barakiel, so only they are noblesse and other players are unable to kill it. However, when it comes to epic raid bosses I agree with pvp zone as they are desirable.
I fully agree with your point. I'd like to highlight the words you said:
Teamwork should be important, but NOT essential.This basically means if you're in good clan with good people, your play should certainly be easier. Speaking in words of subclass and noblesse quests, I agree PvP zones and such stuff to make a noblesse in first few days should be a possibility for large clans. BUT. There're a lot of casual players (like me), and I think completely closing doors to oly for is certainly not a nice thing to do. Of course, randoms probably won't ever be heroes, but I just like to have a few matches everyday neverthless :)
So I'd suggest to make a hard, very hard option for solo players to get noblesse as well. Lets say, I don't know, instead of red pipette we'd have to get 30? blooded fabrics, and instead of Barakiel we could kill 500? of some mobs :) I'll try to post a poll about it :P
Seriously, does it matter if it's PvP zone or not? Back in my time (C4 Shadow x10), the winner side of the mass PvP simply PK'ed everyone, who where not confirmed as their friend. Sometimes ppl sneaked in as clanless, but usually the victorious ally just PK'ed them at the door. And it was like 2 months to achieve a victory for the side I was on, when I needed that crap, and yes, you might say it's annoying, but these things are what I'm coming back for now. I'm tired of the new mmos that just drop everything in your face because that's what casuals like - I was casual as well, and I farmed 2 weeks with dwarfs to get back what I dropped in 3 seconds due to some PK accident, and these things made L2 unique to me. 60% craft, enchant over +4, noblesse, 3rd class, these things are the bread and butter of Lineage 2, don't you dare to take it away!
edit: Of course there was a chance to get easy baium - be neutral. If you were in a small clan, which simply didn't take part of the big guy's fights, both sides did let you in. But as solo, without clan crest, it was more than suspicous, ctrlF1. :p
Im for a pvp zone everywhere especially Baium.. Because it makes the most sense to have a pvp zone there because u dont want your rivals to make easy sub or farm baium rings. As for the solo players im sure they will be allowed to go inside as long as they keep their mouths shut and leave as soon as they r finished (this is how its always been). Lets face it this is a mmo and if u want to play solo no1 obliged to give u alternative ways of doing things.
Quote from: Abaddon on January 02, 2014, 04:26:49 PM
yea it does matter, like on phoenix there were clans with 2-3pts that didnt accept a war + tons of randoms that was standing near vortex/heart just to get inside, no pvp at all for hours, it wasnt possible to pk them all, 70pk+ per single bubble x 5 and ppl were still coming, carebears everywhere
If stuff from DN dont want action like this...(10clans, one target , nobody care about pvp) do smth with this:)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img35/6099/du00.jpg)
hf
At c4/IL i spent 6 months trying to get mi retail and nobless since i got pked/lost pvp lots of times, and thats how it should be.
Quote from: Csenky on January 02, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
Seriously, does it matter if it's PvP zone or not? Back in my time (C4 Shadow x10), the winner side of the mass PvP simply PK'ed everyone, who where not confirmed as their friend. Sometimes ppl sneaked in as clanless, but usually the victorious ally just PK'ed them at the door. And it was like 2 months to achieve a victory for the side I was on, when I needed that crap, and yes, you might say it's annoying, but these things are what I'm coming back for now. I'm tired of the new mmos that just drop everything in your face because that's what casuals like - I was casual as well, and I farmed 2 weeks with dwarfs to get back what I dropped in 3 seconds due to some PK accident, and these things made L2 unique to me. 60% craft, enchant over +4, noblesse, 3rd class, these things are the bread and butter of Lineage 2, don't you dare to take it away!
edit: Of course there was a chance to get easy baium - be neutral. If you were in a small clan, which simply didn't take part of the big guy's fights, both sides did let you in. But as solo, without clan crest, it was more than suspicous, ctrlF1. :p
This.
The only reason why I'm thinking about spending some time with L2 again is that all the MMO's that fallowed were terrible. It either ended up as instance-fest, or it was too easy, or too casual oriented, all PVP completely insignificant, etc. Even L2 got easier over time. Thats why this old idea and this old chronicle is so attractive. Cause it was until IL the game was at its best (I personally loved C4 the most). Kamael and further = no please! I want to play here to get my ass kicked. I want to feel the pain of loss, cause I haven't for years in the "modern" games.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on January 02, 2014, 05:25:00 PM
Then Pk
yea try to mass pk 200 ppl+ without clan and bots for ress.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 30, 2013, 10:43:16 AM
I can understand for Baium , but really , get a clan play with real people as team. It is MMO in the end. When someone troubles you , call your clan mates/ally mates and go revenge your member . This is the concept we should all follow in order to get tons of actions.
Not everyone wants to be in a big clan, some dont wanna take part of the drama!
With pvp zones, people that play solo, or very small clans will get killed by fully buffed pvp farmers who just come in the room, kill the afk/camping persons that are sitting there for hours, and unbuffed.
Quote from: Abaddon on January 02, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
no pvp zones near epics > 1000 carebears standing near entrance npc > no pvp for hours > boring gameplay > ppl leave
this happened with phoenix and will happen here aswell if pvp zones will be deleted
Maybe, but here we have an old community, clans with beef on each other. That means when we move to IL those clan will still be at war. It is a new server, with an old community that know each other so, it wont be the same. There will be wars.
Beside, why do you need so many pvp zones? Are you one of those that are always afraid to flag?
I'm all for having pvp zone at Baium, but having a HARD alternative is not a half bad idea. Simply because of Olympiad. It is fun for everyone, even for casual players and people in weaker clans. If simple features as retail sub and nobelesse are denied for casual players or little clans 1) most of them will leave, 2) it will take much longer time to make Olympiad a daily thing.
Quote from: Abaddon on January 02, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
i dont want to see 4pt afraid to attack 1pt
So PK them. If they are affraid to flag back, its probably because you are full buffed/better pvpers/outgear them, and on their side they are either carebears/low lvls/poor gear.
Anyway, you probably have the upper hand on them, and for having pked carebears, you can almost kill with a ratio of 1:5 of them because they are un-experienced and hesitated 5 minutes for attacking.
Quote from: GekKey on January 02, 2014, 06:50:07 PM
So PK them. If they are affraid to flag back, its probably because you are full buffed/better pvpers/outgear them, and on their side they are either carebears/low lvls/poor gear.
Anyway, you probably have the upper hand on them, and for having pked carebears, you can almost kill with a ratio of 1:5 of them because they are un-experienced and hesitated 5 minutes for attacking.
And if u have a healer they will eather have to flag or die ;)
Quote from: Nickelback on December 28, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
They just need to implement killing angels instead of hitting baium and pvp zone can stay there.
Yeah like 1% chance or smth like that, which is not so difficult to implement. +1
Quote from: igi on January 02, 2014, 11:08:08 PM
And if u have a healer they will eather have to flag or die ;)
One bish cant heal dmg from 20 ppl, mkay
Even if you pked almost all in the room > mass res > half of them are alive again
Even if you pked all in the room, if someone resed bishop but he didnt accept it yet > he will waits 3 mins for you to start epic > mass res > half of them are alive again
@topic
+1 for pvp zones
Quote from: Morel on January 03, 2014, 10:35:52 AM
One bish cant heal dmg from 20 ppl, mkay
Even if you pked almost all in the room > mass res > half of them are alive again
Even if you pked all in the room, if someone resed bishop but he didnt accept it yet > he will waits 3 mins for you to start epic > mass res > half of them are alive again
@topic
+1 for pvp zones
Of u start epic what does it matter if they res or not lol, also from your comment i noticed their bishop is immortal
Quote from: Morel on January 03, 2014, 10:35:52 AM
One bish cant heal dmg from 20 ppl, mkay
Even if you pked almost all in the room > mass res > half of them are alive again
Even if you pked all in the room, if someone resed bishop but he didnt accept it yet > he will waits 3 mins for you to start epic > mass res > half of them are alive again
@topic
+1 for pvp zones
Amen.
Quote from: Sokrates on January 03, 2014, 11:45:00 AM
Amen.
Ok Socrates explain me how does a pvp zone help u in this situation? xD
From what i see here Top NO LIFERS CAME FROM PHOENIX WITH ZILION CLAN MEMBERS AND THEY WANT PVP ZONES.
Bad idea to have pvp zone at baium and dont have another alternative to do pippete knife for retail.
I GET IT U HAVE A BIG CLAN. UR GONNA PROLLY PLAY ALONE HERE WITH UR CLAN.
Remember Phoenix? No noblese, no pvp....
Just make alternative thing to get pippete knife or no pvp zone at baium.
U CAN ALWAYS PK PPL INSIDE.....OR AFRAID?
+1 to pvp zone if there will be other option with baium quest.
hello you ppl! dunno why my old account isn't here oO
Definetely remove PvP Zone, this is really stupid idea in my opinion. There is no point in putting a PvP zone in such a place, just let it be PK zone as it is..