The first one: Focus attack(Warlord's skill) will work with all weapons?
The second: How deflect arrow works in robe, is a skill nerfed for robe users?
The third: How about sps/ee are u going leave him as he was in old dnet interlude (I mean crit rate//power)
The forth: Are u going show donation list before start?
about skills questions, please wait for official announcement with list of changes and features. We most likely wont give random answers regarding each skill, subclass or balance changing. We will update this info before start of the server as "official" information.
Looks like I just found my favourite quote
QuoteApart that there will be NO , unreasonable "nerfs" , everything what we suspect its not right we will discuss with you guys
Could you tell us when you will announcement this info? I want to choose who am I going play ;)
Quote from: Blizzer on January 08, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
Looks like I just found my favourite quote
seems you understood it wrong, since we havent even launched the server yet, so its nothing to discuss with players about balance changing.
Let us do our job and if you want to help tell your friends about tarantula IL. On the other hand if you dont want to help please keep troll mode off.
Thank you
Quote from: stanxoo on January 08, 2014, 08:58:54 PM
Could you tell us when you will announcement this info? I want to choose who am I going play ;)
When we finish all then we announce.
I can somehow understand delay when it comes to some skill changes, but rates ? Do we really have to wait for the opening day to get full rates list?
as official interlude announcement says:
Quote from: =^TrackZero^=
(...) why don't we make things easier in the beginning and make end game to be more dramatic and harder. This is what our dynamic exp system brings!You will start game at HIGH rate but closer to final level it will end up to x1.
you can expect end up on rate x1 while having high rate at begining.
This all i can say for now. But dont expect "high" by x100 or more...
sps/sr will have more magic critical rate with sr passives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Quote from: stanxoo on January 08, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
The first one: Focus attack(Warlord's skill) will work with all weapons?
The second: How deflect arrow works in robe, is a skill nerfed for robe users?
The third: How about sps/ee are u going leave him as he was in old dnet interlude (I mean crit rate//power)
The forth: Are u going show donation list before start?
Devs seriously... Couldn't we get at least 2 hours of beta with increased rates? As 15. January approaches, players will question more and more, because many of us haven't played server like this before ::) I can't help myself but I think you're making very poor decision.
Quote from: Abaddon on January 08, 2014, 09:26:37 PM
im wondering... why everyone here is talking about sps/ee like its some kind of god-like char?
Sure its imo best nuker for farm, 1v1 and small pvps, but it gets critted by archer for 5k+
Oh rly? i did 7k to sps/ee, thx for info.
learn and cry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZeiXVAwJAQ
Quote from: Abaddon on January 08, 2014, 09:26:37 PM
im wondering... why everyone here is talking about sps/ee like its some kind of god-like char?
Sure its imo best nuker for farm, 1v1 and small pvps, but it gets critted by archer for 5k+
and this part rly grinds my gear... m.crit power is always a static value, (x4 on interlude), every single sps has same crit chance on full buffs, no matter if its sps/ee,tk,sws or es...
if you get 5k crits from archers as sps/ee that means you should start buffing blessed shield and advanced block
Quote from: Alex on January 08, 2014, 09:57:58 PM
if you get 5k crits from archers as sps/ee that means you should start buffing blessed shield and advanced block
+1
As he/wk I was critting archers/dagger harder than mages.
one selfheal as sps/ee and character make a turn, shield defence won't be possible
Quote from: somasz on January 08, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
one selfheal as sps/ee and character make a turn, shield defence won't be possible
character doesnt actually turn when you spam skills on yourself, its only a visual bug
Quote from: Abaddon on January 08, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
no shit bro o.O
every kind of nuker without tank/sws/bd sub gets critted by archers for 4-5k+ (with db+6+AQ) with ease, sure bless shield helps a lot, but lets be honest chars like this are 2-shotted by archer with good gear.
4-5k is on leather/robe without shield
shield legitimately lowers damage down to 3k
Quote from: Alex on January 08, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
character doesnt actually turn when you spam skills on yourself, its only a visual bug
u dont know if they dont desperately trying to click on themselves on the screen...
Normal hit 200-800 and Critical Hit is like 8k.. This is stupid.
It's like a game on who will make the first hit, why are the healers for then?
Quote from: Escaflew on January 08, 2014, 10:19:24 PM
Normal hit 200-800 and Critical Hit is like 8k.. This is stupid.
It's like a game on who will make the first hit, why are the healers for then?
Welcome in interlude with aq/baium ;]
Maybe stackable ARMOR masteries could make fights last longer.
Quote from: stanxoo on January 08, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
Welcome in interlude with aq/baium ;]
That's why I like low lvl (40-65), cuz the pvp are longer and much more enjoyable. :P
Quote from: GenghisKhan on January 08, 2014, 10:26:52 PM
Maybe stackable ARMOR masteries could make fights last longer.
and you will see armies of HE/PP or HE/WK. goodluck with that
Quote from: Garn. on January 08, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
and you will see armies of HE/PP or HE/WK. goodluck with that
Wait, don't get me wrong. I meant only P.def bonuses, not armor bonuses such as atk. speed which would make things only worse.
Quote from: Abaddon on January 08, 2014, 11:14:23 PM
only if it succed, without shield mastery def rate rly poor on nukers, even with bless shield
shield defense is tripled against bows, with EE shield buffs its 100% against bows
Quote from: stanxoo on January 08, 2014, 09:49:56 PM
Oh rly? i did 7k to sps/ee, thx for info.
learn and cry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZeiXVAwJAQ
but how many times did you get your sindy ass outside town without those buffs? without auto cp usage? without a full pt with bishop?
Quote from: GenghisKhan on January 08, 2014, 11:21:41 PM
Wait, don't get me wrong. I meant only P.def bonuses, not armor bonuses such as atk. speed which would make things only worse.
then u'll see nuker/summoners only.
Quote from: Blizzer on January 08, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
Looks like I just found my favourite quote
Apart that there will be NO , unreasonable "nerfs" , everything what we suspect its not right we will discuss with you guys
We are not doing any "nearfs" or unreasonable things , we are doing things as they are meant to balance this game not to brake it. And as you may know none of us playing on the server so there is absolute no need to favorize X Y or Z .
If you want to troll just to troll please dodge these section, after we are done we will post all the changes made, we dont hide anything you know.
Quote from: stanxoo on January 08, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
The first one: Focus attack(Warlord's skill) will work with all weapons?
The second: How deflect arrow works in robe, is a skill nerfed for robe users?
The third: How about sps/ee are u going leave him as he was in old dnet interlude (I mean crit rate//power)
The forth: Are u going show donation list before start?
@ Donations: I think i was clear enough when i said there will be no weapons nor raid jewels at donny.
Using simple logic you can guess what there will be : armors,shields,hats,crystals , horn, etc..and other non braking gameplay items which you shouldn't bother tbh.
I'll start to troll if your balance ideas will destroy some classes as it was years ago, for now I'm just waiting but unless others I got some sense of humour ;D
Quote from: Abaddon on January 09, 2014, 12:33:24 AM
wait what? some custom DN things i see
Will you stop listen things not posted officially by the staff itself, is rather frustrating to deny everything said randomly on forum.
THX
Quote from: Abaddon on January 09, 2014, 12:33:24 AM
wait what? some custom DN things i see
its sad how old the game is and how little people still know about it
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 09, 2014, 12:25:35 AM
@ Donations: I think i was clear enough when i said there will be no weapons nor raid jewels at donny.
Using simple logic you can guess what there will be : armors,shields,hats,crystals , horn, etc..and other non braking gameplay items which you shouldn't bother tbh.
*There will be no custom armours, no custom weapons, no jewels. We will base our donation system on
consumables and service. That's what you said, now suddenly there are armors ?
Quote from: GenghisKhan on January 09, 2014, 01:08:14 AM
*There will be no custom armours, no custom weapons, no jewels. We will base our donation system on consumables and service.
That's what you said, now suddenly there are armors ?
Retail armors>>>>
I don't think Draconic set is consumable or service ... it's more like 50.000 monsters in ketras or varka ... That's why waiting for the last minute for important things like donation list isn't good , just give some people false hope ...
Quote from: Abaddon on January 09, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
u see what happens when there is no open beta? :D
anyway on DN there were always some custom modifications, just small example: sonic move wasnt deacreasing lvl of sonic force, small custom thing which makes playing glady more enjoyable, ppl remember that all changes/nerfs/boosts and are curious if new server will have them aswell.
You said it will be retail like, with no unnecessary nerfs and i trust you.
/btw, nuker has around 30-40%(depends on race) def rate with bless shield, when subbed with tank its around 70-80 thanks to shield mastery which doubles that amount, highest possible def rate has sps/tk cuz of Guard Stance skill and highest DEX and its around 100%.
On stack server you have to do some modifications in order to keep balance, will those modifications favorize any class? NO. Their intention is only made in balancing purpose. And trust me they arent randomly made. Thats why, we will paste full list of changes once its done, there absolute no reason to hide anything . And no open beta would help us solve those issues , for sure it wouldnt help us make things faster, BELIEVE ME.
Quote from: GenghisKhan on January 09, 2014, 01:14:27 AM
I don't think Draconic set is consumable or service ... it's more like 50.000 monsters in ketras or varka ... That's why waiting for the last minute for important things like donation list isn't good , just give some people false hope ...
*There will be no custom armors, no custom weapons, no jewels. We will base our donation system on consumables and service. I want to remind you that we will exclude totally any kind of weapons from donation manager*
I dont see how armor in donny can hurt your gameplay? You are not forced to buy it from donny, you can simply spoil and craft it, buy materials on market etc.. Think of OLD HB donny npc from DN and you will realise what im trying to do by saying "players friendly donations".
I hope you understand better now, and no i didnt gave any false hope i really do think it will be fair for all.
Quote from: Abaddon on January 09, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
u see what happens when there is no open beta? :D
anyway on DN there were always some custom modifications, just small example: sonic move wasnt deacreasing lvl of sonic force, small custom thing which makes playing glady more enjoyable
sonic move always consumed sonic force in Interlude on dragon, it stopped consuming sonic force only in Gracia, same as on official
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 09, 2014, 01:18:52 AM
*There will be no custom armors, no custom weapons, no jewels. We will base our donation system on consumables and service. I want to remind you that we will exclude totally any kind of weapons from donation manager*
I dont see how armor in donny can hurt your gameplay? You are not forced to buy it from donny, you can simply spoil and craft it, buy materials on market etc.. Think of OLD HB donny npc from DN and you will realise what im trying to do by saying "players friendly donations".
I hope you understand better now, and no i didnt gave any false hope i really do think it will be fair for all.
Armors S worth hell of a more than weapons S because they are much harder to craft (again, I'm reffering to aprox. 50k mobs you have to kill for recipes, especially when 1/3 of the recipes gonna be pile of junk since major arcana is complete crap on IL). So putting S grade items in the shop isn't fair, at least not in my opinion.
About old system on DN, well at the time when DN was most popular private server, people had to play there even with +16 donations, because there weren't any decent alternatives. Once other good private servers started popping out , population that once contain people on 6 different servers, all filled with players, started to drop steadily. At the end, only 1 server left and I bet vast majority of population (I am not familiar with current state) were donators that didn't want their items (money) go to waste.
However, today we have bunch of private servers (not that much stacksub servers, but over the time we all acustomed to retail playstyle), and many of them have donations up to C grade or no donations at all. I understand that DN must maintain server plus make some cash for all effort, but putting S grade armor items that represents creme of the Interlude is not something many of people look forward to.
I just want to know one more thing, is your decision to implement S grade armors in GM shop definite or not ? I can live with A grade because it won't take you more than several days or a week of dedication MAX to craft it, but S grade is much MUCH more than that ...
I don't see your problem. It was clear as the sky from the beginning that armor donation will be possible.
QuoteThere will be no custom armours, no custom weapons, no jewels. We will base our donation system on consumables and service.
All they said was there won't be weapons and custom things in donation shop and that donation will be BASED on consumables and service. If it's BASED on consumables and service, it doesn't mean there won't be anything else.
Quote from: GenghisKhan on January 09, 2014, 07:19:19 AM
Armors S worth hell of a more than weapons S because they are much harder to craft (again, I'm reffering to aprox. 50k mobs you have to kill for recipes, especially when 1/3 of the recipes gonna be pile of junk since major arcana is complete crap on IL). So putting S grade items in the shop isn't fair, at least not in my opinion.
About old system on DN, well at the time when DN was most popular private server, people had to play there even with +16 donations, because there weren't any decent alternatives. Once other good private servers started popping out , population that once contain people on 6 different servers, all filled with players, started to drop steadily. At the end, only 1 server left and I bet vast majority of population (I am not familiar with current state) were donators that didn't want their items (money) go to waste.
However, today we have bunch of private servers (not that much stacksub servers, but over the time we all acustomed to retail playstyle), and many of them have donations up to C grade or no donations at all. I understand that DN must maintain server plus make some cash for all effort, but putting S grade armor items that represents creme of the Interlude is not something many of people look forward to.
I just want to know one more thing, is your decision to implement S grade armors in GM shop definite or not ? I can live with A grade because it won't take you more than several days or a week of dedication MAX to craft it, but S grade is much MUCH more than that ...
totally agree or at least don't put at begginingmby after 1-2 months
Quote from: nbx on January 09, 2014, 07:46:23 AM
I don't see your problem. It was clear as the sky from the beginning that armor donation will be possible.
All they said was there won't be weapons and custom things in donation shop and that donation will be BASED on consumables and service. If it's BASED on consumables and service, it doesn't mean there won't be anything else.
Yea, I'm pretty sure no one will donate for crappy draconic and IC, while 90% of donation incomes gonna be from hats.
@v23 - And yes I agree, if they gonna put S grade armor donations later down the road than it's fine by me, but if people gets Draconic sets as soon as they hit 76 lvl, than it 's far from being balanced.
QuoteYea, I'm pretty sure no one will donate for crappy draconic and IC, while 90% of donation incomes gonna be from hats.
I never said anything like that, so don't put words in my mouth. I just said I have no idea why you thought there won't be armor donation, because you had literally no reason to think that.
so some people would like to, and some not.
My suggestion is then, if yu put sgradee armors available
Dont put whole sets?
So there still will be needed smtin to craft, spoil, farm.
Exampl3 ; ic helm and breastplate available @donny, the rest not?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 09, 2014, 10:14:08 AM
- There wont be Armor/shields at donation NPC.
**Maybe we will be adding 2 decoration shields , they give no bonus they are just aesthetics extra thing and they exist by default.