Did u change the spoil rate or smtg?
Mobs dont even glow anymore, dont even give mats that r like 1/16 or 80% or so.. need 5-10 mobs to get these mats not to mention some recipes or parts that have 1/200 chance and up...
Currently in Forest of Mirrors
Harit Lizardman Matriarch gives on spoil High Grade Suede 1/3, Neclace of Binding Chain 1/9, Eminence Bow Shaft 1/69
Harit Lizardman Warrior gives on spoil Nassens Earing Gemstone 1/16, Widowmaker Head 1/145, Recipe bssb 1/351
Harit Lizardman Shaman gives on spoil Varnish 69%, Drake Leather Texture 1/46, Recipe ssb 1/358
Ive been spoiling here last night and today 3 or 4 buff rounds and I only got High Grade Suede and Varnish a couple of times
There is definitely something wrong with spoil
Yap totaly something wrong. I was together with igi today in forrest of mirrors and in 1 and a half hour only 3-4 mobs turned blue for spoil...all others were empty....whatever u are doing with the spoil, you're doing it wrong.
same here.. :( mobs dont even turn blue and when they do they are empty..
i noticed that today morning
same here, something is changed.. can't get them to glow most of the time either (same mob, same lvl, same everything) but instead of getting glow on every mob it's 1/5 or even lower.
I noticed the difference this morning too.
Should be fine now.
I will check it out later today. Ty
seems to be broken again, got 4-5 10+ no glow mob streaks in last 45minutes - canyon antilopes woa, im 66lvl.
Quote from: pmkaboo on January 26, 2014, 03:52:35 PM
seems to be broken again, got 4-5 10+ no glow mob streaks in last 45minutes - canyon antilopes woa, im 66lvl.
Not broken just chance lowered
alright, can you please post it somewhere when you change rates? or even better, stop changing the rates, this isnt open beta afaik.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 26, 2014, 04:24:10 PM
Not broken just chance lowered
Didnt see any announcement about this tbh, kinda harsh changing it without letting anyone know.. :S
Quote from: Easley on January 26, 2014, 05:04:23 PM
Didnt see any announcement about this tbh, kinda harsh changing it without letting anyone know.. :S
Drake will place it in changelog within other things, let me see if it can be added before ...
1 hour spoil today = 18 coals, 3 nassen earing parts and 5 high grade suede :)
1 simple question....
Why don't u make one constant drop rate for spoil,adena,mats and all the other shiat. Keep the dynamic thing only for exp and all good. This dynamic spoil and the dynamic drop rate sux totaly and I think that many ppl will agree on this.
To be honest, spoil should remain in old values on x5 chance x1-3 amount for mats x1-2 for parts. Dynamic curve for spoil is worst thing u can do here, cause the only one who win will be players relying on manor and they will dominate market.
Quote from: skitz1312 on January 26, 2014, 08:10:56 PM
1 simple question....
Why don't u make one constant drop rate for spoil,adena,mats and all the other shiat. Keep the dynamic thing only for exp and all good. This dynamic spoil and the dynamic drop rate sux totaly and I think that many ppl will agree on this.
That's why I left :) I realised I won't have the time required to craft a full A grade set + weapon + S weapon if it goes that way.
Quote from: llllllllll on January 26, 2014, 10:45:02 PM
That's why I left :) I realised I won't have the time required to craft a full A grade set + weapon + S weapon if it goes that way.
Or you can focus on leveling and trade something else with players? Anyhow you can make set and weapon with casual playing and proper clan or at least few friends...All solo? Much harder and longer...
Quote from: igi on January 25, 2014, 06:51:37 PM
Did u change the spoil rate or smtg?
Mobs dont even glow anymore, dont even give mats that r like 1/16 or 80% or so.. need 5-10 mobs to get these mats not to mention some recipes or parts that have 1/200 chance and up...
Forest of Mirrors
Harit Lizardman Shaman gives on spoil Varnish 69%, Drake Leather Texture 1/46, Recipe ssb 1/358
There is definitely something wrong with spoil
Same situation here, my brother was trying to spoil bssb rec in Forest of Mirrors and mobs didn't turn blue and today we was trying to spoil some Doom mats (1/38 chance) in Valley of Saint and mobs don't even turn blue.
Quote from: MaraZmo on January 26, 2014, 11:11:35 PM
Same situation here, my brother was trying to spoil bssb rec in Forest of Mirrors and mobs didn't turn blue and today we was trying to spoil some Doom mats (1/38 chance) in Valley of Saint and mobs don't even turn blue.
Mobs do turn blue i was following today many spoil parties, and its like every 2nd or 3rd mob = blue. Make sure you are not to many levels higher actual mob.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 26, 2014, 11:18:09 PM
Mobs do turn blue i was following today many spoil parties, and its like every 2nd or 3rd mob = blue. Make sure you are not to many levels higher actual mob.
Tell me the names so I can pm them and go spoil there cause I'm tired wasting time spoiling nothing
3 hs today to get the same ammount of Mold hardener/enria that i got in 40 min 2 days ago
Something is not ok.
Quote from: vaiper on January 27, 2014, 12:45:03 AM
3 hs today to get the same ammount of Mold hardener/enria that i got in 40 min 2 days ago
Something is not ok.
Read loader about spoil
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 27, 2014, 12:46:10 AM
Read loader about spoil
Yeah i read it already, but i dont understand why would you do that.
Many ppl already have A weapons/jewel/set crafted and now u decrease spoil rate?
2 hours to get 12 edges for a low B weapon.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 26, 2014, 10:49:41 PM
Or you can focus on leveling and trade something else with players? Anyhow you can make set and weapon with casual playing and proper clan or at least few friends...All solo? Much harder and longer...
Dude no offence but, I've seen many games/servers getting destroyed because they wan't to have it their own way and not listenning to the community, you shouldn't do that really.
I know you wan't to make this game more team play oriented, but dynamic spoil doesn't help much on that...changing back to fixed spoil rate might be a good option.
The best way to fix this spoil problem would be to make a vote poll and see if people wan't it Dynamic or Fixed spoil rate.
You have to listen to your players not just follow your own ideas.
Question to more xperienced spoilers?
How long takes to spoil 20k SOP + other 20/25k BASIC mats?
Just curious, not flame
Quote from: Sunico on January 27, 2014, 10:38:46 AM
Question to more xperienced spoilers?
How long takes to spoil 20k SOP + other 20/25k BASIC mats?
Just curious, not flame
A lifetime
No,seriously
Cuz i already saw 2 dwarf selling 3x25k mats (iron ore, SOP and oriore)
It s a superbig amount of spoiled items
Maybe im biggest noob spoiler in universe but there is something strange
Quote from: Sunico on January 27, 2014, 11:09:16 AM
No,seriously
Cuz i already saw 2 dwarf selling 3x25k mats (iron ore, SOP and oriore)
It s a superbig amount of spoiled items
Maybe im biggest noob spoiler in universe but there is something strange
that's called l2w
Already?
In past took a bit longer to have it working here..
Quote from: Sunico on January 27, 2014, 11:09:16 AM
No,seriously
Cuz i already saw 2 dwarf selling 3x25k mats (iron ore, SOP and oriore)
It s a superbig amount of spoiled items
Maybe im biggest noob spoiler in universe but there is something strange
25k SOP ? screen or didn't happen lol.
25k SOP
20k ori ore
25k iron ore
;)
Ill try catch him again tonight
Btw it s easy to find her
Female dwarf under monument in central giran
Quote from: Sunico on January 27, 2014, 11:29:24 AM
25k SOP
20k ori ore
25k iron ore
;)
Ill try catch him again tonight
Btw it s easy to find her
Female dwarf under monument in central giran
if i had to guess, id say its more people pooling mats to one char, which then sells them.
or maybe hes buying them cheap and then reselling for more.
btw, 20k ori ore was about 120 buffs(40hours) in vos(from mobs with 1/3 chance), when the spoil rate was 6x; now it would take almost 3 times as long. sop and iron ore could be from ant nest as side product of spoiling cbp.
Quote from: Sunico on January 27, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Already?
In past took a bit longer to have it working here..
There is no "protection", all interlude bots work there. Seems that only protection is full log of activity that gm can check.
Quote from: Sunico on January 27, 2014, 11:09:16 AM
No,seriously
Cuz i already saw 2 dwarf selling 3x25k mats (iron ore, SOP and oriore)
It s a superbig amount of spoiled items
Maybe im biggest noob spoiler in universe but there is something strange
As you know spoil rate changed from the begging , 2nd of all never forget people have clans with 30+ active players, they all put mats inside and sell as clan's money. (Give me name of dwarf and ill prove you im right)
Quote from: Garn. on January 27, 2014, 11:13:14 AM
that's called l2w
L2w doesnt work here , and you now it.
Quote from: Painkiler on January 27, 2014, 12:06:55 PM
There is no "protection", all interlude bots work there. Seems that only protection is full log of activity that gm can check.
Are you sure we have no protection? Saying that just proves your knowledge is 0.
And to make you understand l2w = is robot who can do everything by himself while you dont even need to sit at PC , Bot is Dual box controlled by another player who HAS to play , other char is just dual box as support . So please understand the difference between these 2 since they are 2 different worlds.
P.S Just because someone ignores you and dont wanna talk in general , doesnt automatically means he is a robot, also many chars you reported as braking dual box rule (glue chars to each other), after checking , it turns out they are 2 different IP-s. Of course some were not and they are jailed for that.
Quote from: Sunico on January 27, 2014, 11:29:24 AM
25k SOP
20k ori ore
25k iron ore
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 27, 2014, 12:19:10 PM
L2w doesnt work here , and you now it.
seeing this quantity of mats, WITH THESE SPOIL RATES, i'm starting to have some doubts about it.
Quote from: Garn. on January 27, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
seeing this quantity of mats, WITH THESE SPOIL RATES, i'm starting to have some doubts about it.
Well , as i said, i want the name of the dwarf so i can prove you its a clans mats. And as a active clan who farms this is very realistic amounts.
Quote from: Garn. on January 27, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
seeing this quantity of mats, WITH THESE SPOIL RATES, i'm starting to have some doubts about it.
The rates were different from start as Track already mentioned, right as of this moment it would take way to long to get material amounts like that though, that's true. But playing actively from start and by pooling mats from clan it's not strange at all.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 27, 2014, 12:23:53 PM
Well , as i said, i want the name of the dwarf so i can prove you its a clans mats. And as a active clan who farms this is very realistic amounts.
Just for the record i have checked DB , there is max amount of SoP = 2247 , 1116 , 940 , then all under <800 .
O. ore 1780 , then all under 800
Iron Ore 3k, 2k then all under 1k
So once again people made accounts on this forum just to troll.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 27, 2014, 12:30:27 PM
Just for the record i have checked DB , there is max amount of SoP = 2247 , 1116 , 940 , then all under <800 .
O. ore 1780 , then all under 800
Iron Ore 3k, 2k then all under 1k
So once again people made accounts on this forum just to troll.
2 days ago i found a dwarf with higher quantity than that. ofc not 25k, but still it was around 6-7k. cant remember the name :/
Quote from: Garn. on January 27, 2014, 12:43:19 PM
2 days ago i found a dwarf with higher quantity than that. ofc not 25k, but still it was around 6-7k. cant remember the name :/
Well even they merge all in 1 char it wont be 25k for whole server, 6k its possible if merged and then again its clan obviously.
Cmon Track i m not trolling
I mean... I don't see the point.
And thats why i asked if was possible legit amount.
Btw if i can re-find her i ll give u nick.
Maybe u can check it in time machine(if already running)
I know l2w not working.
I think i can recognize them quite well now :)
Quote from: Sunico on January 27, 2014, 12:55:02 PM
Cmon Track i m not trolling
I mean... I don't see the point.
And thats why i asked if was possible legit amount.
Btw if i can re-find her i ll give u nick.
Maybe u can check it in time machine(if already running)
I know l2w not working.
I think i can recognize them quite well now :)
I wrote you amounts in upper post.
"solved a major bug on spoil"
Was the spoil rate too good or something?
Quote from: nbx on January 27, 2014, 01:09:55 PM
"solved a major bug on spoil"
Was the spoil rate too good or something?
Apparently getting 1cbp and sop from branded was too high:)
Quote from: sm0g on January 27, 2014, 01:22:13 PM
Apparently getting 1cbp and sop from branded was too high:)
Read loader before saying nonsense .
Track I just wonder how u can't see that this dynamic thing for adena,mats and spoil, simply doesn't work, and pretty soon u will see ppl leaving the serv. Leave it dynamic just for the exp and make fixed rates for the other things. U will end up having better and stable server.
Spoil should be working correctly now. Ive already got positive feedbacks.
I suggest you to try spoil mobs whit same lvl of your skill.
For example spoil lvl 6=49 char lvl.
As ppls said they are on the same lvl as the mobs and they cant spoil anything dynamic spoil wasnt a good idea ...+ that some ppls alrdy got full a grade and others who started to spoil it cant get it and its unfair for solo players too
Quote from: enemy on January 27, 2014, 04:21:28 PM
As ppls said they are on the same lvl as the mobs and they cant spoil anything dynamic spoil wasnt a good idea ...+ that some ppls alrdy got full a grade and others who started to spoil it cant get it and its unfair for solo players too
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on January 27, 2014, 03:25:28 PM
I suggest you to try spoil mobs whit same lvl of your skill.
For example spoil lvl 6=49 char lvl.
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on January 27, 2014, 03:25:28 PM
I suggest you to try spoil mobs whit same lvl of your skill.
For example spoil lvl 6=49 char lvl.
Doesnt change the fact some ppl already farmed it in easest way cause spoil rate was changed few days ago and that how it works now is f***ed up..
and seems u dont want to go this in any other way
cmon we can't complain for a fix
it was "bugged" ?
ok
now it's fixed ? GREAT
to everyone that already has full A +weapon etc? i just hope they will fail every enchan on +1 !!!!!!!!!! :)
(it's not a big problem, in c4 we all were hangin around with stupid karmian set... but sooner or later everyone was able to find at least A set for a decent price)
Quote from: Ellesime on January 27, 2014, 04:45:08 PM
Doesnt change the fact some ppl already farmed it in easest way cause spoil rate was changed few days ago and that how it works now is f***ed up..
and seems u dont want to go this in any other way
3 hours spoiling and still no DC/Tallum helm rec
yea, now we cant spoil and recipe Beast farm, 2 days ago was so many rcp for 2kk-5kk. Now when i can spoil (lvl60) they changed it. its os unfair. farmers make easy a rest can leave.
Problem is if i spoil mobs on mine lvl i dont get spoil from them..
80% spoils are empty (even if spoil is with succes)
Quote from: Cromatorus on January 27, 2014, 08:26:59 PM
Problem is if i spoil mobs on mine lvl i dont get spoil from them..
80% spoils are empty (even if spoil is with succes)
+1
80% +or- are empty.
Tryed with 3 spoilers with different lvls, (40) (50) (60) on different mobs . The result is still the same. So the problem ain't the char lvl or either the mob.
The mobs dont turn blue and just 1 in 8, the sweep works.
It's crazy to spoil like that. With retail like 1x is faster than it is now.
Peace
Beter question is: when be real fix this problem ?
Quote from: Cromatorus on January 28, 2014, 02:35:09 PM
Beter question is: when be real fix this problem ?
Which problem?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 28, 2014, 03:21:03 PM
Which problem?
some mobs got 100% chance spoil ( if arthur say "mean turn to blue")
Some mobs on this same lvl like spoil got chance to turn on blue 80% or low...
Bufflo is 100% turn blue
Tiger chance +/- 20%
it turns blue only if you receive reward ( so item is inside ). If you are unlucky you receive nothing so monster isnt blue. Isnt it clear?
There is chance for example
coal 1/4 means that by spoiling 4 mobs statistically every 4th monster turn blue and give you coal.
In other words there is 25% of chance that monster will turn blue and will give you coal
then please explain, why some spoiled mobs turn blue, but sweep gives nothing...
i just know it that way, that mobs turn 100% blue, but then the chance of getting anything will be rolled in the sweep
actually atm its like: 1/4 chance = 25% chance to turn blue and after that, 25% chance of getting the item...
then its sweep failed.
http://forum.pmfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=8627
Quote from: ^Artur^ on January 28, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
then its sweep failed.
http://forum.pmfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=8627
Sweep fail is very, very rare..
What I think:
You must spoil only mobs at a max range of -3 or +3 then your lvl, or you wont get nothing.
Quote from: lNecropsy on January 28, 2014, 08:02:30 PM
Sweep fail is very, very rare..
What I think:
You must spoil only mobs at a max range of -3 or +3 then your lvl, or you wont get nothing.
i testing yday and dont work. DONT EXIST SPOIL FAIL. If u dont spoil mob ( spoil with succes )u cant use sweep.
Quote from: Cromatorus on January 30, 2014, 07:24:25 PM
i testing yday and dont work. DONT EXIST SPOIL FAIL. If u dont spoil mob ( spoil with succes )u cant use sweep.
I guess you'll have to get over it, they won't change that
Quote from: MaraZmo on January 30, 2014, 09:02:05 PM
I guess you'll have to get over it, they won't change that
and i know... that is sad if gm said "whole party get horn" or write about things in game that even know what said.. I play here 9 years and since 6 years this server dieing thx situations like this..
I know it's the Admin's server and he can do as he pleases... but if you want a succesful server you have to listen to the community, not agree to every single thing that the community reclaims, becouse I know that just kills the server, but you have to see what people are complaining all the time, the drop and spoil rates are not good, for what I've read I think they should be risen a little more and then left like that for the rest of the server's existance. Me, as probably a lot more of my fellow players are tired of hearing about this "dynamic drop/spoil" system, it's innovative yes, but it freaks up with the stability, I think it should have just started as plain x3 x4 or x5 spoil rates and that would have been just fine, but now it's just getting wrecked all the time. That's just my oppinion, consider taking the community's oppininon a little bit more on the table from now on.
I'm sorry if I'm not putting my self into your shoes enough, but I don't know what you know or don't know, I'm only giving my opinion as a player, I'm not going to say anything about the server's functioning becouse I'm no programmer or computer expert of any matter, I only want the server's rates to be challenging but not life consuming, I can spend about 1/2 hours to get a dc helmet rec. but I can't spend a whole 1/2 days for it, I have exams to study for. Well that's all I have to say about this matter and It'd be nice if any GM would give me a proper response about it.-
P.S.: I think you guys are doing a fantastic job so far with the server, aside from the current DDoS attack you are really good at keeping the server clean and don't think you should change your way of administrating the server. Cheers
http://www.dragon-network.net/drop/
select Tarantula, full infos of spoils/drops (yes, the values you see are the ones effective ingame, no secret %)
Is it possible to add option sort by level of mobs?
and add select your character level, due to dynamic curve for spoil...
Quote from: Painkiler on January 31, 2014, 12:32:14 PM
and add select your character level, due to dynamic curve for spoil...
its dynamic spoil to monster level, not to player's level and it already shows exact chance in % ( so you dont need to count with calculator )
@5 hours spoiling for 1 ewC, @3h spoiling for 0 DC helmet rec, @2h spoiling for 0 DC robe rec.
Spoil rates r fine for now, read announcements
Quote from: Lain on January 31, 2014, 11:57:03 PM
@3h spoiling for 0 DC helmet rec
Thats harsh, before or after last spoil update?
Spoil was lowered I think. Its true. Yesterday I spoiled 1 sop and 2-3 cbp from 1 mob if I was lucky, today 50% mobs are empty, in good way I will get 1 cbp, every 20th mob 1 sop. So what the fvck? :| If things like this going worst I will leave this server
Quote from: pawelox01 on February 01, 2014, 01:39:14 AM
Spoil was lowered I think. Its true. Yesterday I spoiled 1 sop and 2-3 cbp from 1 mob if I was lucky, today 50% mobs are empty, in good way I will get 1 cbp, every 20th mob 1 sop. So what the fvck? :| If things like this going worst I will leave this server
People just complain to much, I spend 8hrs spoiling BOP shafts in Beast Farm but the only way to get it was doing it. Get to work. You can spoil 2-3hrs per day and you wont feel it.