Im at Pagans with TU+1, and rate is at maximun 10% chance. Im duo with an EE with TU+4 and both of us took 15 hits each to lethal it. Sometimes at 8th time, sometimes 30+ each of us seems so random.
Also, enchant power should give that +1 hit in the end of TU effect, to instakill the mob and its not doing it. U still need to hit the mob.
(http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?s=e190657888278cb6067633e84f290406&t=183025&page=1)
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 06, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
Im at Pagans with TU+1, and rate is at maximun 10% chance. Im duo with an EE with TU+4 and both of us took 15 hits each to lethal it. Sometimes at 8th time, seems so random.
Also, enchant power should give that +1 hit in the end of TU effect, to instakill the mob and its not doing it. U still need to hit the mob.
I see a clue there :)
They dont give a fcuk, it doesnt work and everyone who tried will say same, but no point to talk, they wont fix it.
Quote from: Abaddon on February 06, 2014, 03:56:52 PM
Wrong, its Attack not Power, it comes in higher chronicles
Anyway, this skill is bugged like hell and no matter what will you say admins wont change cuz they thinkg its retail like, like many other things on this server.
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?s=e190657888278cb6067633e84f290406&t=183025&page=2
If you dont like it then go back to your l2j server.
Quote from: igi on February 06, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
I see a clue there :)
I also see a clue where 15x+ lethals from 2x people with TU+1/+4 doesn't means 30% for sure ;D thats 30 lethals - 0 landed. And that was one of the lowest records. The biggest was 22 each of us. So yeah, damn, if tahts 30%, I wounder....:)))) I used 700k worth spirit ores, and gained 100k adena, pretty fair. lol.
oh yes :D another topic with turn undead. GOGO guys gms maybe in one year will change it. we need only 100 topic more.. hahahahahahahahaha :D GMS let us to vote about change turn undead. Btw u will lose a lot of ppl if u dont change it.
Quote from: R0bs0nQQ on February 06, 2014, 04:25:45 PM
oh yes :D another topic with turn undead. GOGO guys gms maybe in one year will change it. we need only 100 topic more.. hahahahahahahahaha :D GMS let us to vote about change turn undead. Btw u will lose a lot of ppl if u dont change it.
Please don't have this reactions. I'm not here QQing about TU because I want it "OP" or "easy". Im here trying to open Tarantula's staff eyes for a skill that is not working as it should(and in many servers this always happens) - the only difference is that at other mid range servers, people don't care, cause in a party a healer levels ok, even with some friends little FoG parties. But in a server like this which the exp reaches already the 5x mark on 76 level, its just de-motivating and boring. And Pagans gives u that extra exp when people get tired, and you go there and level that extra mile. ATM GM's aren't giving us that chance, Pagans looks like a mine field, theres noone there and theres no reason to be there, deserted area, and they just don't care/think that maybe me and some more are trying to get to their senses. This won't ruin anything in the game, only make healers more "happy" and with something to solo/enjoy playing a bit alone for.
But whatever, you put rates "close" to retail but you aren't letting us take advantage of it...
Just my thoughs, think it as a positive criticism and try to "boost" some how TU...
Why dont you make 5mins video how you exp there so everyone could see it on own eyes?
I dont believe until i see it.
In all those fail, does the fear effect land?
Quote from: Abaddon on February 06, 2014, 03:56:52 PM
Wrong, its Attack not Power, it comes in higher chronicles
And btw he's right, its +attack that make 1hit ko and is from HB
Quote from: Vendettacz on February 06, 2014, 04:47:04 PM
Why dont you make 5mins video how you exp there so everyone could see it on own eyes?
I dont believe until i see it.
I think your old enought not to troll with that kind of stuff. Was really funny some skill of ur class didn't work as intended and you would try to get it bareble and no1 would give a fck.
Even with turn undead +4 your skill lvl will not be 80.
So you are using a lower lvl skill on higher lvl mobs,its obvious it will fail more.
Quote from: vaiper on February 06, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Even with turn undead +4 your skill lvl will not be 80.
So you are using a lower lvl skill on higher lvl mobs,its obvious it will fail more.
Please, refrain to reply if your clueless of what the problem in hands is :/
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 06, 2014, 05:51:42 PM
Please, refrain to reply if your clueless of what the problem in hands is :/
I read your problem and i gave u the solution.
You are saying a random chance skill is random. ???
And the enchant thing is from other chronicles.
stop fckn crying, in official l2 this skill wasnt landing as good as u think lol, if u never playd on off server dont fckn compare other l2br servers...
Nobody force u to exp solo, nobody force u to spam turn undead in high level mobs.
Quote from: Peorexo on February 06, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
stop fckn crying, in official l2 this skill wasnt landing as good as u think lol, if u never playd on off server dont fckn compare other l2br servers...
Nobody force u to exp solo, nobody force u to spam turn undead in high level mobs.
Hope when you need some skill for ur class and its broken, I come and answer you the same :)
On official they were testing skill with char 40lvls higher than tested mob and it was 1/3. U want to have same chance fighting mob 4(6lvl for skill) higher? Be serious and stop crying, use might of heaven if ur turn undead suck.
Quote from: Painkiler on February 06, 2014, 07:21:41 PM
On official they were testing skill with char 40lvls higher than tested mob and it was 1/3. U want to have same chance fighting mob 4(6lvl for skill) higher? Be serious and stop crying, use might of heaven if ur turn undead suck.
And they said that the lethal not landed at all in pagan if you continue reading that forum thread. #25, #26
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 06, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
Im at Pagans with TU+1, and rate is at maximun 10% chance. Im duo with an EE with TU+4 and both of us took 15 hits each to lethal it. Sometimes at 8th time, sometimes 30+ each of us seems so random.
Also, enchant power should give that +1 hit in the end of TU effect, to instakill the mob and its not doing it. U still need to hit the mob.
(http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?s=e190657888278cb6067633e84f290406&t=183025&page=1)
Did you maxed your skill to lv10 and then +power it?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on February 06, 2014, 08:13:51 PM
Did you maxed your skill to lv10 and then +power it?
Track, I have it +1 and my "friend" had it +4. We both TU'ed the same mob for over 3mins. We did almost(didnt count for sure) 20-30 TU's untill it droped.
Please take my word, and boost TU somehow or decrease pagans mob level. It won't hurt or "benefit" any1, will just help out. this is a x5(at lvl 76) and on retail it worked 5x easier. Please.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 06, 2014, 08:19:51 PM
Track, I have it +1 and my "friend" had it +4. We both TU'ed the same mob for over 3mins. We did almost(didnt count for sure) 20-30 TU's untill it droped.
Please take my word, and boost TU somehow or decrease pagans mob level. It won't hurt or "benefit" any1, will just help out. this is a x5(at lvl 76) and on retail it worked 5x easier. Please.
get a full party and go. that's it
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 06, 2014, 08:19:51 PM
Track, I have it +1 and my "friend" had it +4. We both TU'ed the same mob for over 3mins. We did almost(didnt count for sure) 20-30 TU's untill it droped.
Please take my word, and boost TU somehow or decrease pagans mob level. It won't hurt or "benefit" any1, will just help out. this is a x5(at lvl 76) and on retail it worked 5x easier. Please.
I asked you did you level your skill to max lv10 1st?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on February 06, 2014, 08:46:42 PM
I asked you did you level your skill to max lv10 1st?
Ofc I did lol xD you cannot ench if it ain't maxed..
TU was bugged and NCsoft nerfed it
u could power level an entire party more than a destro full buff/gear
explain me why a support char could lethal a mobx6 more than 1/3 chance, when a dagger (damage dealer class) could not?
u are a support, deal with it; if u wanna break mobs, make damage dealer class....
and dont beg for easy farm, where ur party are just here to carry your s.ores....
Quote from: loXol on February 06, 2014, 09:25:07 PM
TU was bugged and NCsoft nerfed it
u could power level an entire party more than a destro full buff/gear
explain me why a support char could lethal a mobx6 more than 1/3 chance, when a dagger (damage dealer class) could not?
u are a support, deal with it; if u wanna break mobs, make damage dealer class....
and dont beg for easy farm, where ur party are just here to carry your s.ores....
Please, with all due respect. STFU. You know sh1t about the hand in matter. You even fail, Pagans is x1 not x6. Please dude, just go away. No1 here cares about randoms :)
"If you wanna break mobs make DD class" - Just this sentence of yours said it all about your knowledge of L2.
Track, waiting for you m8 :)
my L2 knowledge is as good as your rude language, so very high....
about random, u are just a shadow for me....
go try deal damage with supports and tanks in your dreams, but not in L2....
thats why we have damage dealer here.....
Quote from: loXol on February 06, 2014, 09:47:01 PM
my L2 knowledge is as good as your rude language, so very high....
about random, u are just a shadow for me....
go try deal damage with supports and tanks in your dreams, but not in L2....
thats why we have damage dealer here.....
Sorry if I hurt your e-feelings.
What you wrote enxt jsut prooves how u fail so hard/wil fail at this game.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 06, 2014, 10:42:40 PM
Sorry if I hurt your e-feelings.
What you wrote enxt jsut prooves how u fail so hard/wil fail at this game.
Ok ill test myself again with enchanted skill on same mob in pagan.
in darkness room, mobs are x5 not x6 sorry my bad
u just want xp/lifestones and drop/spoils easy, and i dont fail; i just know this game very good
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on February 06, 2014, 11:40:17 PM
Ok ill test myself again with enchanted skill on same mob in pagan.
Yeah But dont test it one time. Test it for 20minutes.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 07, 2014, 12:14:34 AM
Yeah But dont test it one time. Test it for 20minutes.
yeah test it 10000 times to make variables occur to match formula
rofl
just take your bishop/ee in some lfp to go 79 or you are just some random exploiters;
other way why would you have make ee/bishop to play solo??
just make a shout and u have a party....
Quote from: loXol on February 07, 2014, 01:22:53 AM
yeah test it 10000 times to make variables occur to match formula
rofl
just take your bishop/ee in some lfp to go 79 or you are just some random exploiters;
other way why would you have make ee/bishop to play solo??
just make a shout and u have a party....
Randoms still scratching the floor.
If you ever test something for small amount of time/tries youll never get a proper result. Your bad at L2 and also at maths as it seems.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 07, 2014, 01:27:43 AM
Randoms still scratching the floor.
If you ever test something for small amount of time/tries youll never get a proper result. Your bad at L2 and also at maths as it seems.
20 Min is a small amount of tries, thats why i said 10000 times Mr smart...
database formula is the best u can have, and u already have it...
Quote from: loXol on February 07, 2014, 02:02:22 AM
20 Min is a small amount of tries, thats why i said 10000 times Mr smart...
database formula is the best u can have, and u already have it...
Yeah nothing on the DB is working according to FACTS from retail. And after teh fix, cause the time I played there they had applied it already. Im talking about the first room. So please nigga, dont embaress yourself even more :). Anyways, TrackZero, this is as far as I will go to try and show to you that this is wrong, won't loose my time more on this. I though you guys, DN, worried about keeping stuff balanced and retail-like as far as u can on this server, seems you just don't care about healers then :)
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 07, 2014, 02:23:18 AM
Yeah nothing on the DB is working according to FACTS from retail. And after teh fix, cause the time I played there they had applied it already. Im talking about the first room. So please nigga, dont embaress yourself even more :).
so now its not pagan temple but the first room with 1/2 hp, and cheap mobs...
the one who embarass himself seems to not be whose the one predictable....
just ask GM to spend hours solo to lvl when u could make in 10 mins in parties.....
rofl nonsense
other way u wanna lethal x/hp mobs in one/two shots and its clearly way to farm/exploit server....
why u made ee/bishop? to make one shot mob with one skill? or use 10 skills,to,support your party?
Quote from: loXol on February 07, 2014, 03:02:51 AM
so now its not pagan temple but the first room with 1/2 hp, and cheap mobs...
the one who embarass himself seems to not be whose the one predictable....
just ask GM to spend hours solo to lvl when u could make in 10 mins in parties.....
rofl nonsense
other way u wanna lethal x/hp mobs in one/two shots and its clearly way to farm/exploit server....
why u made ee/bishop? to make one shot mob with one skill? or use 10 skills,to,support your party?
You are so stupid and dumb. Read the topic. Im saying atm with enchanted skill u need over 35hits to lethal, rate atm is like 10% with a lvl 76 skill. Its 4 lvls difference only for the mob and that at 74 is even impossible to lethal. And first room aint shitty mobs, just in one reply u embaress urself. And who the freak asked for 1/2 tries to lethal? Your stupidness doesn't stops to amaze me. Im asking for retail chance which is around 30-35%. Your just prooving in one reply you never played a healer or went pagans, or if you did you played lolBR servers(or your one of them, cause u keep saying things ive already explained)
Again, your embarrassing yourself for the 5th time. I suggest you to stfu if you know nothing about it. Your not giving a good example of a clan leader.(or ex'one). I'm not here asking anything that wasn't on retail.
Turn Undead lethal chance
The chance at lv10 of turn undead to do lethal is 30% (base) and raises by 1% (base) each +1 enchant.
This means that at +30 is 60% (base) chances.
What is BASE chance of lethal?
The base chance is the % chance to do a lethal in the following conditions:
a) on self, no modifiers toward lethals (higher/lower chances)
b) your target having 0 modifiers (weak/strong) toward lethals
c) your target being the SAME or LOWER level of the magic level of the skill
What is the magic level of Turn Undead?
lv8 is magic level 70
lv9 is magic level 72
lv10 is magic level 74
lv10+1 enchant is magic level 76
lv10+2 enchant is magic level 76
lv10+3 enchant is magic level 76
lv10+4 enchant is magic level 77
lv10+5 enchant is magic level 77
lv10+6 enchant is magic level 77
lv10+7 enchant is magic level 78
lv10+10 enchant is magic level 79
lv10+13 enchant is magic level 80
lv10+16 enchant is magic level 81
lv10+19 enchant is magic level 82
lv10+22 enchant is magic level 83
lv10+25 enchant is magic level 84
lv10+28 enchant is magic level 85
How does a level difference influences the base chance?
The base chance is reduced by 20% for each level difference.
This means:
BASECHANCE-(BASECHANCE*(20*level_difference)/100)=
Please remember that the level difference is only considered when the monster is higher level than the skill. Never the opposite.
Example with magic level 74 skill (lv10):
base chance is 30% lethal
vs monster lv76 = 18% lethal
vs monster lv77 = 12% lethal
vs monster lv78 = 6% lethal
vs monster lv79 = 0% lethal
vs monster lv80 = 0% lethal
Example with magic level 76 skill (lv10+1 enchant):
base chance is 31% lethal
vs monster lv76 = 31% lethal
vs monster lv77 = 24.8% lethal
vs monster lv78 = 18.6% lethal
vs monster lv79 = 12.4% lethal
vs monster lv80 = 6.2% lethal
Example with magic level 77 skill (lv10+4 enchant):
base chance is 34% lethal
vs monster lv76 = 34% lethal
vs monster lv77 = 34% lethal
vs monster lv78 = 27.2% lethal
vs monster lv79 = 20.4% lethal
vs monster lv80 = 13.6% lethal
Quote from: =drake= on February 07, 2014, 01:29:53 PM
Turn Undead lethal chance
The chance at lv10 of turn undead to do lethal is 30% (base) and raises by 1% (base) each +1 enchant.
This means that at +30 is 60% (base) chances.
What is BASE chance of lethal?
The base chance is the % chance to do a lethal in the following conditions:
a) on self, no modifiers toward lethals (higher/lower chances)
b) your target having 0 modifiers (weak/strong) toward lethals
c) your target being the SAME or LOWER level of the magic level of the skill
What is the magic level of Turn Undead?
lv8 is magic level 70
lv9 is magic level 72
lv10 is magic level 74
lv10+1 enchant is magic level 76
lv10+2 enchant is magic level 76
lv10+3 enchant is magic level 76
lv10+4 enchant is magic level 77
lv10+5 enchant is magic level 77
lv10+6 enchant is magic level 77
lv10+7 enchant is magic level 78
lv10+10 enchant is magic level 79
lv10+13 enchant is magic level 80
lv10+16 enchant is magic level 81
lv10+19 enchant is magic level 82
lv10+22 enchant is magic level 83
lv10+25 enchant is magic level 84
lv10+28 enchant is magic level 85
How does a level difference influences the base chance?
The base chance is reduced by 20% for each level difference.
This means:
BASECHANCE-(BASECHANCE*(20*level_difference)/100)=
Please remember that the level difference is only considered when the monster is higher level than the skill. Never the opposite.
Example with magic level 74 skill (lv10):
base chance is 30% lethal
vs monster lv76 = 18% lethal
vs monster lv77 = 12% lethal
vs monster lv78 = 6% lethal
vs monster lv79 = 0% lethal
vs monster lv80 = 0% lethal
Example with magic level 76 skill (lv10+1 enchant):
base chance is 31% lethal
vs monster lv76 = 31% lethal
vs monster lv77 = 24.8% lethal
vs monster lv78 = 18.6% lethal
vs monster lv79 = 12.4% lethal
vs monster lv80 = 6.2% lethal
Example with magic level 77 skill (lv10+4 enchant):
base chance is 34% lethal
vs monster lv76 = 34% lethal
vs monster lv77 = 34% lethal
vs monster lv78 = 27.2% lethal
vs monster lv79 = 20.4% lethal
vs monster lv80 = 13.6% lethal
Thanks for showing those. Oddly enough, in retail you could level in pagans without wasting your mana pool on the first mob. Anyways, since you customize so much for tatoos and such, why not for healers to be able to do something alone?
No matter what me, any retail post or proofs will be, seems we will get stucked with TU the way you just showed then :)
That retail post showed before, show that this skill work exactly in the way as drake show. Cry harder or play more, choose ur way.
Can any1 make a video of how TU is working on Pagan/LoA/IT...So every1 can see how patchetic the situation is with an ee/bp even with +++TU.
This chart that drake came up with does not mean anything.
Quote from: j1kata on February 07, 2014, 02:23:33 PM
Can any1 make a video of how TU is working on Pagan/LoA/IT...So every1 can see how patchetic the situation is with an ee/bp even with +++TU.
This chart that drake came up with does not mean anything.
It means everything, u r just too dumb to understand it.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 07, 2014, 01:58:09 PM
Thanks for showing those. Oddly enough, in retail you could level in pagans without wasting your mana pool on the first mob. Anyways, since you customize so much for tatoos and such, why not for healers to be able to do something alone?
No matter what me, any retail post or proofs will be, seems we will get stucked with TU the way you just showed then :)
Is not really customized, in IL turn undead was working this way on official (not PTS).
About tattoos for healers... i'm open to suggestions :D (make a topic for it in general)
Quote from: NunoPitbull on February 07, 2014, 03:22:30 AM
I suggest you to stfu if you know nothing about it.
8) made my day
Finaly we got a step in the right direction :D. =drake= is open for suggestions mby these days i can log in and farm with my ee, which is sitting with enchanted TU for the past week.
PS:+v for tatoo of lethal land ! ;D
Quote from: j1kata on February 07, 2014, 06:02:49 PM
Finaly we got a step in the right direction :D. =drake= is open for suggestions mby these days i can log in and farm with my ee, which is sitting with enchanted TU for the past week.
PS:+v for tatoo of lethal land ! ;D
yea, then cry for daggers month later :)
Quote from: Peorexo on February 07, 2014, 06:15:54 PM
yea, then cry for daggers month later :)
Why dont u just STFU and stop posting sh1t all over the place huh ?
Quote from: j1kata on February 07, 2014, 06:25:59 PM
Why dont u just STFU and stop posting sh1t all over the place huh ?
becouse u know sh1t about this game and u want to make healer the fastest exp char in game with no risk/no costs, anything, just get tattoo and f1 tu, f2 trance ?
Dude u want farm pagan easily? make TU +10 atleast make 78lv min, and go freely, or lick gm ass for lethal tattoo, and once u get 80lv cry again to delete it when dagger will lethal u every 10seconds
Quote from: Peorexo on February 07, 2014, 07:11:06 PM
becouse u know sh1t about this game and u want to make healer the fastest exp char in game with no risk/no costs, anything, just get tattoo and f1 tu, f2 trance ?
Dude u want farm pagan easily? make TU +10 atleast make 78lv min, and go freely, or lick gm ass for lethal tattoo, and once u get 80lv cry again to delete it when dagger will lethal u every 10seconds
Why dont u take a step back and literally F**k ur own face?!....and in the mean time stop spaming TU topics ur a dagger ffs.
Still w8ing on some changes on tank/ee/bp lethals.....
Quote from: Painkiler on February 07, 2014, 07:32:35 PM
Hello u braindead scum, lethal is lethal no matter what class it is. Drake already show how it work so stop cry like a b1tch and go fck urself.
There are countless topics about the TU clearly something is WRONG.
As for u and ur buttbuddie Peorexo watch ur language.
Quote from: j1kata on February 07, 2014, 07:43:12 PM
There are countless topics about the TU clearly something is WRONG.
As for u and ur buttbuddie Peorexo watch ur language.
I see countless evidences that is something wrong with u and ur little brain.
This topic became a low lvl flame war,drake already explain how TU works.