I notice starnge problem after this update that l2 working always like it's on top even minimized using mine whole proccesor but it's propably intentional action to prevent ppl form using multiple account. The main problem for me is that, With mine PC I cant play even on 2 accounts coz my PC will blow up after 1h of playing I cant even set shop in giran w/o logging out and trying to do some other stuff coz my PC is just to weak for it.. I'll be glad to get an answer what should I do coz playing like that is to troublesome for me
peace.
Quote from: p90k on March 06, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
I notice starnge problem after this update that l2 working always like it's on top even minimized using mine whole proccesor but it's propably intentional action to prevent ppl form using multiple account. The main problem for me is that, With mine PC I cant play even on 2 accounts coz my PC will blow up after 1h of playing I cant even set shop in giran w/o logging out and trying to do some other stuff coz my PC is just to weak for it.. I'll be glad to get an answer what should I do coz playing like that is to troublesome for me
peace.
Out of curiosity , what computer specs do you have since this chronicle is like 7+ years old?
Yes it was highly requested from players to not have the framerate drop when running in background.
Anyway i dont see how it cant run slow on your PC as is running fine in dualbox from my lenovo laptop bought in 2008.... (of course not full graphics)
Coz mby some1 dont have such money to upgrade it?
In case you need just to run it in background, you tried to lower the graphic settings?
Quote from: p90k on March 06, 2014, 04:08:33 PM
Coz mby some1 dont have such money to upgrade it?
I just asked for the specs, nothing else -.-
lowering graphic detail wont change anything coz I tryed it already, I cant do almost nothign with this l2 background..
lowering graphic detail wont change anything coz I tryed it already, I cant do almost nothign with this l2 background..
And about my PC config. I'm usually launching l2 and it's working minimized waiting to get some action in clan while I'm doing other stuff like playing games,sufring in interntet... before there was no problem playing for example skyrim with l2 minimized now it is a big deal for me!
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 06, 2014, 04:11:15 PM
I just asked for the specs, nothing else -.-
it should be better if there will be option for it so ppl who need this "custom" feature can enjoy it. I personally hate it, maybe there are ppl who like to play with sound and stuff and they have really atomic reactor so they can continue this w/o any problem
but for me it's really annoying movement, It's like i'm forced to play only l2 and that's all, I hate to play with l2sound, so meanwhile I'm playing l2 I usually listen youtube musics or watching series ... but now everything is loading slowly, l2 is dropping frames so saying straight it's sux.
Back in time there was some kinda little software helping ppl to be able to have this awesome thing making clients run smootly simultaneously below chornicles don't have the option for decreasing background performance.
my specs are not the best but like this it's sux to play, annoying better word for it
c2d e8500 3.2ghz
VTX3-25SAT3-60G
hd6950 2gb
Quote from: teqi on March 06, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
it should be better if there will be option for it so ppl who need this "custom" feature can enjoy it. I personally hate it, maybe there are ppl who like to play with sound and stuff and they have really atomic reactor so they can continue this w/o any problem
but for me it's really annoying movement, It's like i'm forced to play only l2 and that's all, I hate to play with l2sound, so meanwhile I'm playing l2 I usually listen youtube musics or watching series ... but now everything is loading slowly, l2 is dropping frames so saying straight it's sux.
Back in time there was some kinda little software helping ppl to be able to have this awesome thing making clients run smootly simultaneously below chornicles don't have the option for decreasing background performance.
my specs are not the best but like this it's sux to play, annoying better word for it
c2d e8500 3.2ghz
VTX3-25SAT3-60G
hd6950 2gb
Sorry to disturb you, but what the hell are you talking about .
About red letters:
I would really like to hear how yo do that , unless you are using 3rd party software
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 06, 2014, 04:32:09 PM
Sorry to disturb you, but what the hell are you talking about .
About red letters:
I would really like to hear how yo do that , unless you are using 3rd party software
why dont you check him yourself?
Have you ever heard about playing in window? Also you can minimize/maximize the windows,not just using the default resolutions.
Jesus on horse,thats how the things turn from A to B... :D
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 06, 2014, 04:32:09 PM
Sorry to disturb you, but what the hell are you talking about .
About red letters:
I would really like to hear how yo do that , unless you are using 3rd party software
VLC Player and "ALWAYS ON TOP" fuction ever heard of it?:) epic logic needed for this.
and yes this customization is sux sux sux. That's why NC MADE IT like that so ppl can pick in later chronicle either they want to use client like that or either no.
and to what I'm talking about...
when I launch a dualbox, I can barely open any new tabs in browser or barely can open even the browser I must wait a lot to get it opened
everything is running slower on pc and it's annoying
and the frames ( FPS ) ingame drops like hell, so now I'm forced to play the boredom.
Quote from: Abaddon on March 06, 2014, 04:37:09 PM
lawl, 2 monitors FTW!
no,its black magic dude, satan's invention.
unnecessary, useless changes time to time :]
Lineage2 have an amazing feature in the menu that allows you to disable (!!!) sounds. You can try it and you will not have L2sounds while you are rewatching the latest episodes of Downton Abbey.
In case you use Vista/7/8 or 8.1 you can, from the windows mixer, straight default official microsoft, mute the audio from specific applications (games included!).
If you really just need L2 in full background you can press the outstanding minimize button. Being off-screen the GPU usage should go to zero.
Quote from: =drake= on March 06, 2014, 04:46:43 PM
Lineage2 have an amazing feature in the menu that allows you to disable (!!!) sounds. You can try it and you will not have L2sounds while you are rewatching the latest episodes of Downton Abbey.
In case you use Vista/7/8 or 8.1 you can, from the windows mixer, straight default official microsoft, mute the audio from specific applications (games included!).
If you really just need L2 in full background you can press the outstanding minimize button. Being off-screen the GPU usage should go to zero.
1 client on my cpu = 60-70% usage; 2 clients = 100% for sure.
now everything is much more laggy than it was fine before.
i really don't care about vga and l2sounds, i hate l2sound
I wanted to say with that, now I'm like forced to play only l2, and there is EXTRA option tadam I can turn on l2sounds yay so much fun
Quote from: =drake= on March 06, 2014, 04:46:43 PM
Lineage2 have an amazing feature in the menu that allows you to disable (!!!) sounds. You can try it and you will not have L2sounds while you are rewatching the latest episodes of Downton Abbey.
In case you use Vista/7/8 or 8.1 you can, from the windows mixer, straight default official microsoft, mute the audio from specific applications (games included!).
If you really just need L2 in full background you can press the outstanding minimize button. Being off-screen the GPU usage should go to zero.
Tryed this option to, but it's still same processor usage(tryed wuth win XP and win 7) . Cant you just turn it back? Damm I've even got problem with watching streams on twich! I dont know why are you making such troubles for players,jeez!
Quote from: =drake= on March 06, 2014, 04:46:43 PM
If you really just need L2 in full background you can press the outstanding minimize button. Being off-screen the GPU usage should go to zero.
Wrong. You should test it before doing something (same applies on nerfs, and other ingame changes). If you disable the "decrease performance background" feature (like you did with today's update), then the one l2 client will use one cpu core at 100% even if it's minimized. Before it did this only when the l2 client window was active. On some client's this feature can be set in options.
same here even with minimalized windows , i have 60% < 2x box>use of cpu . didnt had it before
what is moore funny : with 2box on dragon server all workd fine , cpu use 2-5%
Quote from: zocha on March 06, 2014, 06:01:20 PM
same here even with minimalized windows , i have 60% < 2x box>use of cpu . didnt had it before
what is moore funny : with 2box on dragon server all workd fine , cpu use 2-5%
1st of all, Dragon dont use protection we do. Recent downtime was made in order to have more rock solid protection . What that means? It means on the longer terms , stable ,healthy market. No inflation, no instability, real players online. On Dragon you can even run 10 boxes and you will still have low cpu usage, simply because c4 and h5 are coded differently and independently.
Anyhow i made myself some dualbox tests, and i can tell you that on average 60% cpu (*i have old i3 processor and average pc) there is no lag nor freezes, it is quite normal if you want to play legit .
Here are some screens provided :
Dual box (both windows are opened)
(http://i.imgur.com/mKOePkh.png)
Dual box (1 window minimized) [drop of >20%]
(http://i.imgur.com/xweCm1x.png)
Memory usage (you can notice 1 window opened other minimized)
(http://i.imgur.com/sAgsWNk.png)
So, having 60% on average is super fine, if you plan to play legit.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 06, 2014, 06:48:10 PM
1st of all, Dragon dont use protection we do. Recent downtime was made in order to have more rock solid protection . What that means? It means on the longer terms , stable ,healthy market. No inflation, no instability, real players online. On Dragon you can even run 10 boxes and you will still have low cpu usage, simply because c4 and h5 are coded differently and independently.
Anyhow i made myself some dualbox tests, and i can tell you that on average 60% cpu (*i have old i3 processor and average pc) there is no lag nor freezes, it is quite normal if you want to play legit .
Here are some screens provided :
Dual box (both windows are opened)
(http://i.imgur.com/mKOePkh.png)
Dual box (1 window minimized) [drop of >20%]
(http://i.imgur.com/xweCm1x.png)
Memory usage (you can notice 1 window opened other minimized)
(http://i.imgur.com/sAgsWNk.png)
So, having 60% on average is super fine, if you plan to play legit.
If you are having 60% with your PC imagine how it is on mine
Well, I have the same problem.
Before patch I could login many acc (exp + shops in town).
After patch my PC is boiled when I have even 2 chars.
I Dont have wooden PC, Its pretty new (2011)
PS
I logged on my previous IL server 5 chars in Giran, coz I thought that something wrong is with my PC. Nothing happend, on old server everything works smooth even with 5 chars logged.
IMO something is wrong... and problems arent with our PCs, coz many ppl has the same thing, right after patch.
Pls solve it, coz atm I cant play normally :/
assus R900V here
intel core i5-3210m
geforce GT 630 M
main + box = 70% to 85% CPU usage
insane....
turn it back ffs
like you see you just maked strange update, it was good before this one and now it really sux, anyway I have same problem like others ;)
Oh yeah, I definetely can notice increase of fans' speed on CPU after patch.
So I can see that both client windows are rendering at full FPS - was there 'decrease background performance' option here before by default then?
Quote from: teqi on March 06, 2014, 04:50:36 PM
1 client on my cpu = 60-70% usage; 2 clients = 100% for sure.
now everything is much more laggy than it was fine before.
same here.
After update 1 client = 55% and more cpu usage. 2 client = 100% cpu usage.
Before update i could open even 6 client, watch the wideo, browse the internet. even then cpu usage was less than 70%.
Thank DN for great work. Now serwer is unplayable for me.
Will you fix this problem?
In following days we will work on decreasing those values to acceptable level. Give us some time, meanwhile thank you for flying with Lufthansa :)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 06, 2014, 06:48:10 PM
1st of all, Dragon dont use protection we do. Recent downtime was made in order to have more rock solid protection . What that means? It means on the longer terms , stable ,healthy market. No inflation, no instability, real players online. On Dragon you can even run 10 boxes and you will still have low cpu usage, simply because c4 and h5 are coded differently and independently.
Anyhow i made myself some dualbox tests, and i can tell you that on average 60% cpu (*i have old i3 processor and average pc) there is no lag nor freezes, it is quite normal if you want to play legit .
Here are some screens provided :
Dual box (both windows are opened)
Dual box (1 window minimized) [drop of >20%]
Memory usage (you can notice 1 window opened other minimized)
So, having 60% on average is super fine, if you plan to play legit.
i dont have any lags and 60% its fine for me , but atm i use x2 more electricity , mean my bill will rise up , who gonna play them ?
im only asking coz maby not every1 know that
sorry guys but FUN in my Laptop go crazy
this is how it looks when 2x L2 open
(http://s7.postimg.org/4gx3z0he3/cpu.jpg)
and this is how it look when L2 off
(http://s7.postimg.org/h9l7yxszv/cpu2.jpg)
i have CPU Intel Core i5 2.66 Mhz
and this is what you have dane with IL client is ... you want make IL client like GOD+ client?
I think sooner or later you will be alone in your legit server. Do you think,pimping up the needs for the client(aka making trialbox unplayable for normal gamers) is the way to solve the trialbox problem? :)
Seriously guys, Tarantula will end up like Valkyria - not because of bots but because of senseless updates.
Few ppl asked you to do that improvement, now you read 3 pages of tears and still believe its the way you should go?
Have you ever played on anything else besides Dragon Network? I dont want to be a grumpy ,annoying person but how about make poll before you implement bullshit updates like this one? Just for example:
Look at where did your respawn update went... :)
I' m sure statistically it improves the server's life bla bla bla bla. But it wont give balls to people for pvp :)
i have pretty good pt, but on dual box in mass pvp or just golky area, sometimes fps drop too much :P
Just restore NORMAL state/delete last update... atm its unplayable.
Is it so hard?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 06, 2014, 07:52:35 PM
In following days we will work on decreasing those values to acceptable level.
Mhm, if in following days you will start work on it, then when it will be nornal again? 2 weeks?
Just copy the old Core.dll file before today's update into your system folder and the problem will be solved.
If you don't have the old Core.dll - only 4 bytes are changed. Grab a Hex editor and enjoy.
000762FE: E9 -> 89
00076300: 00 -> F0
00076301: 00 -> C7
00076302: 00 -> 45
for all thoose who delated this file already
http://www.speedyshare.com/Vkzzw/Core.dll
I think that we should have option to choose in loader like HUD. I dont need good fps on background client, like before was pretty good for me.
I always open CLient via Patcher, so with old Core.dll i need to start game with L2.exe.
So pls gms , think about it. Will be much better with options , where we can decide how we want to control background client. :)
Quote from: Deathmagnetic on March 06, 2014, 10:18:03 PM
I always open CLient via Patcher, so with old Core.dll i need to start game with L2.exe.
NP to open patcher, just dont press 'full check' and back up core.dll somewhere just in case
I will prepare option in loader so you can switch what core you want.
Quote from: =drake= on March 06, 2014, 10:30:47 PM
I will prepare option in loader so you can switch what core you want.
that will be fine
+1
confirmed working
+1
Done.
Please do fullcheck and then, IN LAUNCHER, you can open OPTIONS and enable LOW CPU mode that basically enables the old behavior in background.
Please do it when running the first instance, not at the 10th one.
Workin great!
Thanks!
Quote from: =drake= on March 07, 2014, 01:03:56 AM
Done.
Please do fullcheck and then, IN LAUNCHER, you can open OPTIONS and enable LOW CPU mode that basically enables the old behavior in background.
Please do it when running the first instance, not at the 10th one.
It worked... but with today's update, that option not works again. Even if i tick the low cpu checkbox, the game doesn't slows down in background.
Edit: after disabling it, then re enable again it works.
Confirmed - I deleted system folder, made update with 'Low CPU' option ticket and I still got +5 degrees in my room. :p
EDIT: Ok, it doesn't work at all. Deselected and selected the checkbox with deleted system folder - still both client work on max performance... Shame on you.
Quote from: Zibo on March 08, 2014, 07:32:44 PM
Confirmed - I deleted system folder, made update with 'Low CPU' option ticket and I still got +5 degrees in my room. :p
EDIT: Ok, it doesn't work at all. Deselected and selected the checkbox with deleted system folder - still both client work on max performance... Shame on you.
You are doing something terribly wrong on your side.
The "patching" of choice between use lowcpu or highcpu mode (based on the option saved in laucher) is triggered when you press START button on the launcher.
For obvious reasons that are deep into how applications on windows works since Win3.1, the "change" into lowcpu/highcpu cant happen if a client is already running OR if you run the game straight from L2.exe (in that case it will simply run the last mode that was running before. And if you just fullchecked it will simply go default mode = highcpu)
For who wanna enjoy random tweaking, you can copypastarandomrename the Core.dll files, if you watch in the system folder there is THREE files with this name and 3 different extensions... read them and it will be all clear.
Yep, that was the case - since forever I was starting client through L2.exe. Reason is obvious - no additional window. To be honest, after you said it, I've just noticed there actually is a 'START' button. :D
Anyway thanks, my computer works much more quiet now.
i have windows 8
everything was running fine
since last loader update
i keep getting this everytime i want to run the loader
socket error # 10013
access denied
Quote from: HerrMayer on March 08, 2014, 10:58:25 PM
i have windows 8
everything was running fine
since last loader update
i keep getting this everytime i want to run the loader
socket error # 10013
access denied
Did you deleted system folder and then made full check?
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on March 08, 2014, 11:08:21 PM
Did you deleted system folder and then made full check?
yes i deleted system folder
when i open the loader it doesnt even allow me doing nothing just pop up that msg about socket error
i press full check nothing happens only l2.ini apeared in folder but thats all
bahhhh nevermind i did a tracert to DN and timeouted bad
mayb is just the shit wifi-net where im jacked
Quote from: HerrMayer on March 09, 2014, 12:31:12 AM
bahhhh nevermind i did a tracert to DN and timeouted bad
mayb is just the shit wifi-net where im jacked
Yep, I'm quite sure error 10013 means the luncher is not able to connect to the internet
Quote from: HerrMayer on March 08, 2014, 10:58:25 PM
i keep getting this everytime i want to run the loader
socket error # 10013
access denied
Quote from: HerrMayer on March 09, 2014, 12:31:12 AM
bahhhh nevermind i did a tracert to DN and timeouted bad
mayb is just the shit wifi-net where im jacked
Yes, that error is just a timeout on connection so means there is some issues on your network path...
Btw. What CPU is not LOW ? L2 is an old game and it's something wrong when i enter giran and i have 7 fps at Core i3 3,3 GHz and GTX275 GPU...
Thats not CPU related, more like amount of GPU memory+RAM
edit: But i believe you dont have less than 8GB so i dont realy know...
Quote from: bokili on March 09, 2014, 10:23:07 PM
Thats not CPU related, more like amount of GPU memory+RAM
edit: But i believe you dont have less than 8GB so i dont realy know...
Wrong. I have 4GB but its enough, 1 copy of L2 using 500MB of RAM..
Im playing at full details but in Giran or at TOI Golky i really need to press crtl+p to make the lowest details because i have 5-10 fps.
Quote from: Deathmagnetic on March 09, 2014, 10:18:33 PM
Btw. What CPU is not LOW ? L2 is an old game and it's something wrong when i enter giran and i have 7 fps at Core i3 3,3 GHz and GTX275 GPU...
You have no idea how much unoptimized is IL client...
If the guys at DICE (Battlefield3/4) would see the code of IL they would scream badly.
Quote from: =drake= on March 10, 2014, 10:28:29 AM
You have no idea how much unoptimized is IL client...
If the guys at DICE (Battlefield3/4) would see the code of IL they would scream badly.
No need to see the code to scream badly, just watch the performance of the client, the critical errors and the lags when loading a new world tile :)