Well ideal is this maybe is time place baium item at Donny for ppl that can't rly have time for camp him.
And if you do this place baium item at Donny you can make baium all pvp zone for pvp clans
And maybe make the baium blooded dagger price 20 dc at Donny
Well like I said is only a ideal and pls no spam :P
I hope this is a joke.... don't have time? hmmm you can see on web site when he's gonna spawn + there's 4h of random respawn not 8h
well not a joke ppl work on weekdays and don't have time w8 baium.
and for baium to spawn on weekends would be long time,
Also lets add nobless and+15 jewels/weapons..
Game is easy enough, dont have time -> dont play
vaiper and other maybe u thing all ppls is like u.24/7 online , and all big clans, and can play only this type of ppls..this game
Quote from: kostsuba on March 27, 2014, 11:44:07 PM
vaiper and other maybe u thing all ppls is like u.24/7 online , and all big clans, and can play only this type of ppls..this game
I play 2 hours a day max and not even all days.
And solo.
Quote from: kostsuba on March 27, 2014, 11:44:07 PM
vaiper and other maybe u thing all ppls is like u.24/7 online , and all big clans, and can play only this type of ppls..this game
Those who can't be active enough for getting a hit on baium, wouldn't need noblesse for anything, period.
Seems you dont understand.... Placing that item on the "donattion shop" makes no impact on the game and with that "Donator coins" server can be up for more time = you can play for free also for that time...
Stop beeing a pitty and think about others who are not playing 24/7
Quote from: askia on March 28, 2014, 10:52:11 AM
Seems you dont understand.... Placing that item on the "donattion shop" makes no impact on the game and with that "Donator coins" server can be up for more time = you can play for free also for that time...
Stop beeing a pitty and think about others who are not playing 24/7
Nicely said
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 28, 2014, 10:57:21 AM
This
So what hurt the ppl that have less time to play? why they can't have nobles? ALso if you notice I didn't say other Toi Rb's items at Donny just baium blooded dagger. Reason why I said Baium item at Donny it's Bcz baium respawn is 1 week and for it to land on the weekend will take time.
Quote from: OsirisDl on March 27, 2014, 10:41:51 PM
Well ideal is this maybe is time place baium item at Donny for ppl that can't rly have time for camp him.
And if you do this place baium item at Donny you can make baium all pvp zone for pvp clans
And maybe make the baium blooded dagger price 20 dc at Donny
Well like I said is only a ideal and pls no spam :P
Baium is easier to get, as everyone who touches it, gets the item. Barakiel item would be more useful, ofc for max 5 DC, as that comes only for last hit.
Quote from: unhandledexeption on March 28, 2014, 12:06:39 PM
Baium is easier to get, as everyone who touches it, gets the item. Barakiel item would be more useful, ofc for max 5 DC, as that comes only for last hit.
One brakaiel Item was NEVER at Donny but baium dagger always has been there
Quote from: askia on March 28, 2014, 10:52:11 AM
Seems you dont understand.... Placing that item on the "donattion shop" makes no impact on the game and with that "Donator coins" server can be up for more time = you can play for free also for that time...
Stop beeing a pitty and think about others who are not playing 24/7
Seems like you don't understand. Everything makes impact on the game that has an option for donate, since coins are on the market.
And crying for baium proves that you guys have no idea, what are you talking about. Getting barakiel is the real pain, if you get baium by donate, in 2 weeks you'll open "BARAKIEL @ DONNY PLSPLS WE HAVE NO TIME!!!". If you have no time, you don't need noblesse, what's so hard to understand in this? Last time I played at DN, it was like 4-5 months for me to get noblesse. These topics should be instalocked.
Quote from: Csenky on March 28, 2014, 12:24:10 PM
Seems like you don't understand. Everything makes impact on the game that has an option for donate, since coins are on the market.
And crying for baium proves that you guys have no idea, what are you talking about. Getting barakiel is the real pain, if you get baium by donate, in 2 weeks you'll open "BARAKIEL @ DONNY PLSPLS WE HAVE NO TIME!!!". If you have no time, you don't need noblesse, what's so hard to understand in this? Last time I played at DN, it was like 4-5 months for me to get noblesse. These topics should be instalocked.
Mate this dagger has always been at Donny what will change if there?
Barakiel on the other hand was never At Donny and as I remember there was never 1 crier for Barakiel asking place at Donny. And also you need to think little more ppl don't cry for barakiel, bcz is not 1 week w8 resapwn.
And (P.S) I not crying for me bcz I have nolife I only try think about others.
Talking about good old Infinity style, The Dagger was never at donny. Nothing like that was. Not even soul crystals lvl 13 were at donny, and that is speaking about days when the only way to get them to 13 was anthy or vala.
No. No to anything making the game easier. It is way easier then it should be already.
i cant understand this guy who tell if u dont play much time u dont need have nobless?? what mean this?can u explane me?if i log for siege i dont need nobless? really u need explane that with the time :)
Full retail + Nobless quest item on donny npc!
I would like it :)
+1
Quote from: askia on March 28, 2014, 10:52:11 AM
Seems you dont understand.... Placing that item on the "donattion shop" makes no impact on the game and with that "Donator coins" server can be up for more time = you can play for free also for that time...
Stop beeing a pitty and think about others who are not playing 24/7
Baium is not about time. Its about tard zerg clans PKing all ppl which want just stab baium. Its all about zergs greedy attitude - dont let make rest of server sub/nobless so only we can farm oly without any competition. Later QQ for no strong enemy and emoquit server (many did already). It leaves only 2 options for rest of ppl: Join zerg and become tard too or create some other zerg and win big pvp. If you want just play easy with few friends and refuse to join zerg or refuse to asslick them, you are screwed. Especialy mentioned website respawn list it makes it realy easy for every zerg to guard Baium.
If you all haters want us older players with real life duties to emoquit server because you block us from becoming strong enough to give you real pvp.... its your choice, enjoy 300 ppl server in few monts.
Trpajzilk
Quote from: Trp on March 28, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
Baium is not about time. Its about tard zerg clans PKing all ppl which want just stab baium. Its all about zergs greedy attitude - dont let make rest of server sub/nobless so only we can farm oly without any competition. Later QQ for no strong enemy and emoquit server (many did already). It leaves only 2 options for rest of ppl: Join zerg and become tard too or create some other zerg and win big pvp. If you want just play easy with few friends and refuse to join zerg or refuse to asslick them, you are screwed. Especialy mentioned website respawn list it makes it realy easy for every zerg to guard Baium.
If you all haters want us older players with real life duties to emoquit server because you block us from becoming strong enough to give you real pvp.... its your choice, enjoy 300 ppl server in few monts.
Trpajzilk
Next +1
Quote from: kostsuba on March 28, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
i cant understand this guy who tell if u dont play much time u dont need have nobless?? what mean this?can u explane me?if i log for siege i dont need nobless? really u need explane that with the time :)
It means that if you have only a few hours to play per week, you won't be a factor in oly, and same goes for any pvp/epic/siege. You will be just a farmer, maybe you can make a twink and have fun near dion. This does not need noblesse. If you somehow happen to have enough gear for some siege action at weekends, you can get noblesse buff from your party, and you can get summon to important places from other noblesses.
TL;DR
The features of Noblesse are for active players, hence the hard quest. It's not fcking mandatory to everyone. It's a PRIVILEGE.
Quote from: OsirisDl on March 28, 2014, 12:10:57 PM
One brakaiel Item was NEVER at Donny but baium dagger always has been there
I have never seen dagger either at donny, was it on the same server where custom sets were avabilable? Congratz playing there. I'm looking for a normal server here, without retarded donations.
Quote from: Csenky on March 28, 2014, 04:05:30 PM
I have never seen dagger either at donny, was it on the same server where custom sets were avabilable? Congratz playing there. I'm looking for a normal server here, without retarded donations.
If I remember correctly baium blooded dagger was added at hellbound chronicle but I aint sure 100%
Well if you looking for a normal server without retarded donations, leave here bcz drake needs these gift donations from ppl so the server stays open.
Quote from: Csenky on March 28, 2014, 04:00:22 PM
It means that if you have only a few hours to play per week, you won't be a factor in oly, and same goes for any pvp/epic/siege. You will be just a farmer, maybe you can make a twink and have fun near dion. This does not need noblesse. If you somehow happen to have enough gear for some siege action at weekends, you can get noblesse buff from your party, and you can get summon to important places from other noblesses.
TL;DR
The features of Noblesse are for active players, hence the hard quest. It's not fcking mandatory to everyone. It's a PRIVILEGE.
lol P R I V I L A G E ;-)
this game should give fun for all of us , why? coz its damn old
go fresh yourself , playing to much ;)
Quote from: Csenky on March 28, 2014, 12:24:10 PM
Seems like you don't understand. Everything makes impact on the game that has an option for donate, since coins are on the market.
And crying for baium proves that you guys have no idea, what are you talking about. Getting barakiel is the real pain, if you get baium by donate, in 2 weeks you'll open "BARAKIEL @ DONNY PLSPLS WE HAVE NO TIME!!!". If you have no time, you don't need noblesse, what's so hard to understand in this? Last time I played at DN, it was like 4-5 months for me to get noblesse. These topics should be instalocked.
not having time doesn't mean you don't need nobless... there's no logical correlation between the 2... Nobless is just like a 3rd class or a retail, in term of advancement, as it's a part of the game progression. While I totally agree that not having time is no reason for failure, as the time frame for baium is pretty easy to get, you're still wrong in claiming that it's useless/not needed.
Also it's not a privilege... what the frack are you talking about... Being a Hero is closer to a privilege, as you can loose it if you don't work to keep it. Nobless is not only related to being in Oly. Nobless teleport, nobless buffs are 2 important aspects of being a nobless, which can be used in siege and mass pvp. If your only objective in this game is to be the top dog, I'm sorry for you...
Quote from: lbiguiml on March 28, 2014, 03:38:18 PM
Full retail + Nobless quest item on donny npc!
I would like it :)
+1
I don't care what the other's spam is, having more people noblesse does not put anyone at a disadvantage. If you have time work for it, if not - pay for it. It's not like you are donating for ++ items so I don't understand the QQ.
Most of us are not kids anymore like we were 7-8 years ago, we have jobs, lives, some even have families and children. It does not mean we should quit playing.
Quote from: Csenky on March 28, 2014, 04:00:22 PM
It means that if you have only a few hours to play per week, you won't be a factor in oly, and same goes for any pvp/epic/siege. You will be just a farmer, maybe you can make a twink and have fun near dion. This does not need noblesse. If you somehow happen to have enough gear for some siege action at weekends, you can get noblesse buff from your party, and you can get summon to important places from other noblesses.
TL;DR
The features of Noblesse are for active players, hence the hard quest. It's not fcking mandatory to everyone. It's a PRIVILEGE.
Seriusly bro? Does it realy means that we wont be factor at oly? Please use brain. You are maybe some school kid which can skip few lessons to camp baium during week at night or mornings. Many ppl here are working ppl which are ACTIVE but they play only prime time (17:00-24:00) during week because of their jobs.
So, imagine you are one of those. Active 4-7 hours per day at maintime. Baium spawn 7 days. 2-3 times he gets up at late night or early morning, 2-3 times you get raped by zerg = tadaa almost 2 months away, you still cant start retail - emoquit...
Possible solution could be shorter baium spawn + lowering chance for ring to not flood server with boss jewels. Or that Donny version.
Or custom solution in way offi serves solved this: Latest chronicles provide players choice to make Red pipet knife OR make 50(?) blooded fabric to get retail and choice to kill Barakiel or farm few hundrets mobs at VoS for nobless. So much for priviledge, even NCsoft understand that its BASIC feature, not ENDGAME PRIVILEDGE.
Trp
Quote from: Csenky on March 28, 2014, 04:00:22 PM
It means that if you have only a few hours to play per week, you won't be a factor in oly, and same goes for any pvp/epic/siege. You will be just a farmer, maybe you can make a twink and have fun near dion. This does not need noblesse. If you somehow happen to have enough gear for some siege action at weekends, you can get noblesse buff from your party, and you can get summon to important places from other noblesses.
TL;DR
The features of Noblesse are for active players, hence the hard quest. It's not fcking mandatory to everyone. It's a PRIVILEGE.
Mby in some Years when you have a job you´ll understand a lit about the life outside of home. Nobless is free for everyone not just for nerds mr. nofactor. Think about it
If it was by me I would get rid of that BS completely. I would only use it as allowance for oly. Not the buffs, not the ports, especially the ports that kinda get rid of space control as you kill someone and he can just port back instantly and just try until he wins while you had to run there for 40 minutes. That is what I think bothers people the most. And for that reason I liked L2 pre-noblesse more.
I didn't even read all these spam.
Get your facts straight guys.
1. I'm 25 yrs old, these qq topics seems to be more kiddish, than my wish to keep alive my memories about this game, and not destroying it buy making it pay2win.
2. Baium respawn is 4 days. Do you have any idea what are you talking about?
3. You are right, Noblesse is part of the game's progression. But you are wrong, if you think it should be given in an instance for money. As you said, progression. You get further and further by time, working for it > get it, when you can.
About the alternate quest option for pipette knife, and the addition of it to donny: neither of these happend in IL, for a reason. For the Interlude content, the original way of getting it is just fine, and Baium spawn is LOWER than official, and the random window of it is HALF of official.
Congratz for the pro that found a mistake in my english, now make a list for those who are arguing with me, how many mistakes/typos they made? Over 9000? I've never learnt the language either.
Quote from: OsirisDl on March 28, 2014, 04:55:03 PM
Well if you looking for a normal server without retarded donations, leave here bcz drake needs these gift donations from ppl so the server stays open.
Current donation is acceptable, lv13 crystals are a bit too much, but not that annoying. And I'll donate with my next payment in april, and I'll get only cosmetic hats, because the server looks like worth supporting, and not because I want every content in 2 months.
that explane all!
have job + family= have money but havent time...so want give some adena to drake for some good thinks..
havent job or family= havent money and want kill the donny with ur sps..=)) but have time to burn ur life out of the baium door:D and ofc when other guy come for baium too he need w8 one week more.. cause u pk him =))
i am at first type of ppl with job and family.so drake add some good thinks on donny cause i dont want hat...my hair is beutiful =))
Quote from: Csenky on March 28, 2014, 07:03:22 PM
1. I'm 25 yrs old, these qq topics seems to be more kiddish, than my wish to keep alive my memories about this game, and not destroying it buy making it pay2win.
Oh, so you are claiming, that putting Baium or Barakiel qi to Donny makes this server pay to win.
Newsflash bro. This is already Pay2Win. Im playing active since C3 and visited many Stacksub or retail-like interlude servers, because i like that chronicle most. Not single one of them had so many jedi ++ S weapons after 3 months. Almost every single one of them had in this game phase SC13 twice more expensive than S weapon itself.
Btw I already have retail Q done, so most of my party. I dont qq here for myself, but for those many ppl which cant do it for any reason now because I want them to be worthy opponents and not carpets which loose buff after first death because they cant nobless themselfs.
Quote from: OsirisDl on March 28, 2014, 12:10:57 PM
One brakaiel Item was NEVER at Donny but baium dagger always has been there
I've never seen baium dagger at donny when i played 3 years on infinity.
BTW it doesn't matter what was at donny.
Quote from: Trp on March 29, 2014, 05:46:01 PM
Oh, so you are claiming, that putting Baium or Barakiel qi to Donny makes this server pay to win.
Newsflash bro. This is already Pay2Win. Im playing active since C3 and visited many Stacksub or retail-like interlude servers, because i like that chronicle most. Not single one of them had so many jedi ++ S weapons after 3 months. Almost every single one of them had in this game phase SC13 twice more expensive than S weapon itself.
Btw I already have retail Q done, so most of my party. I dont qq here for myself, but for those many ppl which cant do it for any reason now because I want them to be worthy opponents and not carpets which loose buff after first death because they cant nobless themselfs.
The modified enchant rates has nothing to do with 'pay2win'. By the way, my weapon fails: broke to +4 (3 times), to +5 (twice) to +6 (twice). For jools/armors, it is worse. I have seen 1 (one aka ONE) S grade weapon over +6. ZOMGJEDI!!44!!!4!
If you read my previous comment, you'll see that I disagree with the soul crystals too, but just because those are there, it doesn't mean they should put in more stuff that makes the endgame easier.
Edit.:
I don't have noblesse yet, so I'm not arguing to be ahead of others - I'd just rather keep it oldschool, because that's why I installed this game after 5 years again.
Quote from: Csenky on March 29, 2014, 09:40:11 PM
The modified enchant rates has nothing to do with 'pay2win'. By the way, my weapon fails: broke to +4 (3 times), to +5 (twice) to +6 (twice). For jools/armors, it is worse. I have seen 1 (one aka ONE) S grade weapon over +6. ZOMGJEDI!!44!!!4!
If you read my previous comment, you'll see that I disagree with the soul crystals too, but just because those are there, it doesn't mean they should put in more stuff that makes the endgame easier.
Edit.:
I don't have noblesse yet, so I'm not arguing to be ahead of others - I'd just rather keep it oldschool, because that's why I installed this game after 5 years again.
Modified enchant rate doesnt, Blessed enchants for few coins DO. And again, Subclass and Nobless are START of real game, not END. If you end there, you should propably reconsider your play style.
Quote from: Trp on March 29, 2014, 10:10:14 PM
Modified enchant rate doesnt, Blessed enchants for few coins DO. And again, Subclass and Nobless are START of real game, not END. If you end there, you should propably reconsider your play style.
Endgame for me is about sieges/raids/pvp skirmishes/oly/epics.
Obtaining Noblesse status is optional for most of these, only mandatory for oly. If you can't reach it by yourself, that's because you don't deserve it. This is what I meant by "making endgame easier". Noblesse for â,¬ = easier engame play for those who are nofactors anyways.
About enchants: I would bet everything I've farmed up on Tarantula 'til now, that most of the shining fancy weapons out there are made with normal scrolls, I couldn't imagine more than 1 idiot out of a 100 players, that would actually pay money for bews. Lower rate, and no crystals on return > FAIL. And if you haven't noticed, bews can be bought for adena from other players. You can't pay with adena for Noblesse.
Quote from: Csenky on March 29, 2014, 10:50:03 PM
Endgame for me is about sieges/raids/pvp skirmishes/oly/epics.
Obtaining Noblesse status is optional for most of these, only mandatory for oly. If you can't reach it by yourself, that's because you don't deserve it. This is what I meant by "making endgame easier". Noblesse for â,¬ = easier engame play for those who are nofactors anyways.
About enchants: I would bet everything I've farmed up on Tarantula 'til now, that most of the shining fancy weapons out there are made with normal scrolls, I couldn't imagine more than 1 idiot out of a 100 players, that would actually pay money for bews. Lower rate, and no crystals on return > FAIL. And if you haven't noticed, bews can be bought for adena from other players. You can't pay with adena for Noblesse.
You are still reffering to "nonfactors" when you talk about ppl with rl life. I can assure you that you will feel difference at seige/epic raid pvp/mass pvp when you will have 50 vs 50 "Factors" or 200 vs 200 "nonfactors". Nobless is mandatory for bigger pvps. Especialy when one side have it and second doesnt, it is instant win for nobless side, because they need to kill everyone once to remove buffs and its end of pvp.
For me (and not only me i guess), this game is splited to 2 parts. For purpose of this discussion lets call them Start game and End game. Start game is exping, making subclass, basic gear. End game are PVP/Seige/Epics/Oly. L2 is pvp dedicated game, therfor if you are not dedicated farmer, real game starts at "End game" for you. I dont know what you want, but I want many ppl at endgame phase, not just few nolifers. I had been there on many servers, start with many ppl, but at endgame you have 30-40 same enemies again and again.
Last thing is: This is game, its for relaxing, having fun. Its not ment only for dedicated achivers or hardcore nolifers. You dont need to "Deserve" something nessesary to play with others on certain level. Only things I agree you should deserve somehow are boss jewels, OE items, Hero, Castle.
Quote from: Trp on March 30, 2014, 08:17:59 AM
You are still reffering to "nonfactors" when you talk about ppl with rl life. I can assure you that you will feel difference at seige/epic raid pvp/mass pvp when you will have 50 vs 50 "Factors" or 200 vs 200 "nonfactors". Nobless is mandatory for bigger pvps. Especialy when one side have it and second doesnt, it is instant win for nobless side, because they need to kill everyone once to remove buffs and its end of pvp.
For me (and not only me i guess), this game is splited to 2 parts. For purpose of this discussion lets call them Start game and End game. Start game is exping, making subclass, basic gear. End game are PVP/Seige/Epics/Oly. L2 is pvp dedicated game, therfor if you are not dedicated farmer, real game starts at "End game" for you. I dont know what you want, but I want many ppl at endgame phase, not just few nolifers. I had been there on many servers, start with many ppl, but at endgame you have 30-40 same enemies again and again.
Last thing is: This is game, its for relaxing, having fun. Its not ment only for dedicated achivers or hardcore nolifers. You dont need to "Deserve" something nessesary to play with others on certain level. Only things I agree you should deserve somehow are boss jewels, OE items, Hero, Castle.
You are still arguing like it's a bug, that Baium/Barakiel are hard to pass by. They meant to be hard, and Baium is pretty easy, I haven't seen brainless PKing there, and the "omg another week for it" is actually 4 days with the current settings. Four days. It should be on weekend at least once in every 2 weeks, and I'm not counting weekday evenings then. And those who I know with retail sub already, all of them got the stab the first time they went there.
Barakiel is another story, but 17h respawn, and I've already seen some good pvp there, so organize and get lucky. Choose your retail well, for higher chances on last hit.
It would be easier to understand your points, if it was the real, old system. But seriously, there is a damn raid timer on the site, use it!
Well, it seems that we both are speaking about different things. Thanx for discussion but im getting tired by it.
GL&HF no matter how this issue turns out.
Trp out.
I didn't read last two pages, just useless :)
The biggest reason you get PK'd at baium coz randoms wake it up and for example our members (SF) can't enter.
We already have too much OP donations at Donny, don't need more such as retail and nobless quest items. If you want it, work for it. Saying this like I'd probably donate for my other char as well. Everything comes too easy at this server already. Drake and DN stuff will have a hard time imo to keep it going.
If you work, and your online time is limited..it's simple. Just choose a day which fits you the most, find a friend or someone who needs it and help each other. You just put literally 0 effort to make a progress, just stand there and want everything to hop in your hands. I really hope it won't.
Quote from: mlhungary8 on March 30, 2014, 02:45:27 PM
I didn't read last two pages, just useless :)
The biggest reason you get PK'd at baium coz randoms wake it up and for example our members (SF) can't enter.
oh please...........