since 70% of oly are played by xx/pp, imho it would be nice to put acumen 1 and haste 1 as buffs.
+1 for that, also there shuld be some tweaks regarding other classes... the oly is very boring to watch if the majority of classes are summoner/healer, glad/pp or wc/ol...
For this server no have balans ! See youtube Interluda oly use for battel star Magik class have Acum empower,fiagter have haste ww ! This not oly this F...k !!!!
Quote from: Garn. on March 28, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
since 70% of oly are played by xx/pp, imho it would be nice to put acumen 1 and haste 1 as buffs.
and 30% are summoner/xx, it would be nice to give every player summon and transfer pain, GM
only inside oly plz
Quote from: Garn. on March 28, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
since 70% of oly are played by xx/pp, imho it would be nice to put acumen 1 and haste 1 as buffs.
Then would make more sense to put a buffer NPC a la hellbound style with some extremely basic buffs.
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:07:02 AM
Then would make more sense to put a buffer NPC a la hellbound style with some extremely basic buffs.
that would be probably too much.
imho only lvl 1 haste for fighter and lvl 1 acu for mages is fine
Quote from: Garn. on March 29, 2014, 01:12:29 AM
that would be probably too much.
imho only lvl 1 haste for fighter and lvl 1 acu for mages is fine
How it can be too much if it gives 1-2 buffs only to EVERYONE (regardless of class)?
We just have to discuss WHICH buffs and which level.
Anyway the direct limitation (thanks NCsoft) is that the autobuff you get in oly can be MAX 2 buffs.
1 is taken from olympiad buff that must stay there.
1 is WWalk
so to give Haste/Acumen i should drop WWalk...
Could be a solution, indeed. As i could do like in GoE where there is a passive effect given to everyone of +10% run speed (but this means that if someone self buffs with WWalk, they gain even more runspeed)
So a buffer NPC could be the only way.
Or dunno, lets discuss.
EDIT: those basic buffs could even become autocasted (like, again, the WWalk lv1 you gain ALSO additionally in GoE (yes goe have passive global +10% run speed AND wwalk lv1 autocasted every X seconds))
So a solution would be that those BASIC buffs are autocasted to you when you are inside the coliseum and in case you get cancelled, they are re-casted after X seconds (30? 60?)
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:15:02 AM
How it can be too much if it gives 1-2 buffs only to EVERYONE (regardless of class)?
We just have to discuss WHICH buffs and which level.
just an example: if you give a ps/sh acumen and empower (even lvl 1) that will be too much, since u give 2 important buffs to a buffless char (which has tp already)
Quote from: Garn. on March 29, 2014, 01:20:08 AM
just an example: if you give a ps/sh acumen and empower (even lvl 1) that will be too much, since u give 2 important buffs to a buffless char (which has tp already)
So if we give:
Acumen lv1
Haste lv1
WWalk lv1
to everyone, regardless of class, automatically every 60 seconds autorecasted when you are inside olympiad arena.
What you would say? (this means if you get cancelled and you dont die just after, you could get re-buffed back with them within 0 to 60 seconds (by luck here))
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:15:02 AM
ww lv1 to all classes and npc with choosing lv1 acu or lv1 haste in oly would do the job nuff said
Quote from: Peorexo on March 29, 2014, 01:24:38 AM
ww lv1 to all classes and npc with choosing lv1 acu or lv1 haste in oly would do the job nuff said
What about the constant area autocast every X seconds? (it will give a minimal hope also when you get canceled)
For an example: see GoE
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:24:17 AM
So if we give:
Acumen lv1
Haste lv1
WWalk lv1
to everyone, regardless of class, automatically every 60 seconds autorecasted when you are inside olympiad arena.
What you would say? (this means if you get cancelled and you dont die just after, you could get re-buffed back with them within 0 to 60 seconds (by luck here))
it could be nice imho
what about necros need mob to sumon
Those 3 skills would be enough (or too much)?
Consider that is 4 slots (those 3 skills + olympiad buff) in the buffbar basically allocated. (Of course casting bigger/better version of the 3 skills, simply goes to the same slots and doesnt overload your skillbar)
For Necros we are still deciding if make that you dont lose the summon when you enter.
About putting a mob to kill... it would also means in case of skills that "switch target" they would start gain unwanted power in oly (as your target would switch toward the mob)
drake what you say about punishments to hit enemy trouth zaken door i think is too high 1 cp stop to play for that
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:31:12 AM
Those 3 skills would be enough (or too much)?
Consider that is 4 slots (those 3 skills + olympiad buff) in the buffbar basically allocated. (Of course casting bigger/better version of the 3 skills, simply goes to the same slots and doesnt overload your skillbar)
i think lvl 1 of those 3 would be fine (lvl 2-3 too much)
can you make when people go in jail in anounsments to have info for what and how long jail
(many people dont read forum and don't know many things) will be good for all like is in dragon server
Quote from: Garn. on March 29, 2014, 01:32:14 AM
i think lvl 1 of those 3 would be fine (lvl 2-3 too much)
I didnt said higher level. I was asking for other basic skills (even from newbie helper)
Quote from: djvancho on March 29, 2014, 01:31:50 AM
drake what you say about punishments to hit enemy trouth zaken door i think is too high 1 cp stop to play for that
There will be no more punishment for hitting trough that door.Is a GRATE door, arrows
by logic fly through it (and in both direction).
If you feel unsafe or unable to hit back, simply walk 5 meter forward behind the corner and you are automatically out of reach.
can you unban sogon and rogu pls then
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:35:53 AM
There will be no more punishment for hitting trough that door.
Is a GRATE door, arrows by logic fly through it (and in both direction).
If you feel unsafe or unable to hit back, simply walk 5 meter forward behind the corner and you are automatically out of reach.
that's kinda retarded, since melee chars cant hit you but ranged can.
but this is OT in this thread
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:35:53 AM
I didnt said higher level. I was asking for other basic skills (even from newbie helper)
There will be no more punishment for hitting trough that door.
Is a GRATE door, arrows by logic fly through it (and in both direction).
If you feel unsafe or unable to hit back, simply walk 5 meter forward behind the corner and you are automatically out of reach.
aleluia! someone with a brain taht understands NCsoft logic to make such door!
Quote from: djvancho on March 29, 2014, 01:39:14 AM
can you unban sogon and rogu pls then
Yeah drake. Up to this. More important atm releasing chars banned due to the msitake of the Zaken door thingie.
ho dont want to be hitted there is enouth place to hide
Quote from: Garn. on March 29, 2014, 01:39:25 AM
that's kinda retarded, since melee chars cant hit you but ranged can.
but this is OT in this thread
Just after you pass the door you have an amazing 90 degree turn, do 2 steps forward and you are out of reach from any archer.
a) The grate was made on purpose as "grate" to allow arrows fly trough making it a dangerous spot to
"rest" AFK. This is by official design.
b) You can hit back if you have archers on your side...
c) the 90 degree turn is there exactly to be used as protection and get out of the dangerous zone (ncsoft thinked that, can you imagine?)
you this stupit punishments for nothing server wil fail verry fast thank you for understanding DRAKE
Quote from: djvancho on March 29, 2014, 01:46:58 AM
you this stupit punishments for nothing server wil fail verry fast thank you for understanding DRAKE
they are unbanned already, please lets go back to topic thanks.
can you out of jail sogon pls
For me, this is ok, but i am affraid, that this feature will make some chars even better (for instance elven elders), but it is a nice feature for nukers, shillen elders, and some others fighters/nonsupports
Another suggestion.: is there a possibility, of re-using skills at entrance on oly, like it was in newest chronicles?
There's no such thing as balancing Olys on a substack server...
Quote from: Alex on March 28, 2014, 11:44:49 PM
and 30% are summoner/xx, it would be nice to give every player summon and transfer pain, GM
only inside oly plz
Some tanks are also. Add ud etc...
ps. if smbd taked it serious...it's lol idea and lol topic.
Quote from: Ephroctius on March 29, 2014, 02:47:01 AM
For me, this is ok, but i am affraid, that this feature will make some chars even better (for instance elven elders), but it is a nice feature for nukers, shillen elders, and some others fighters/nonsupports
Another suggestion.: is there a possibility, of re-using skills at entrance on oly, like it was in newest chronicles?
a lvl 1 acumen wont make huge difference
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:26:22 AM
What about the constant area autocast every X seconds? (it will give a minimal hope also when you get canceled)
For an example: see GoE
thats not bad, but u also may be unlucky u will not get any buff troughout whole match right? or i understood it wrong?
Just make it like every other normal server and stop customizing everything. Wind Walk for mage classes and Haste + Wind Walk for fighter. Oly right now is just broken, cuz if you dont have a supporting sub, you're literally freaked.
Quote from: Sokrates on March 29, 2014, 10:05:01 AM
Just make it like every other normal server and stop customizing everything. Wind Walk for mage classes and Haste + Wind Walk for fighter. Oly right now is just broken, cuz if you dont have a supporting sub, you're literally freaked.
subclass server.
You are slowly starting to behave like flag on the wind.
They were banned when the rule was applied - you shorten their ban because you changed the rule.
There was previous topic about buffs on oly - you were unbreakable for not implementing any buffs. Now few more topics and you are willing to make a change.
So let me add something to wishlist - shots bonus for blows should be *2 and blow landrate is a joke (and backstab fail from back is a superb joke)
Quote from: Blizzer on March 29, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
So let me add something to wishlist - shots bonus for blows should be *2 and blow landrate is a joke (and backstab fail from back is a superb joke)
And backstab succeeding from front? Why dagger classes aren't opening crapload of topics about that little "feature"? ^^
Quote from: Blizzer on March 29, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
slowly starting to behave like flag on the wind.
They were banned when the rule was applied - you shorten their ban because you changed the rule.
There was previous topic about buffs on oly - you were unbreakable for not implementing any buffs. Now few more topics and you are willing to make a change.
So let me add something to wishlist - shots bonus for blows should be *2 and blow landrate is a joke (and backstab fail from back is a superb joke)
a river of tears and perma qq about thier quiting - thats the way.
Wtb h5 oly stadiums
Quote from: Csenky on March 29, 2014, 11:30:05 AM
And backstab succeeding from front? Why dagger classes aren't opening crapload of topics about that little "feature"? ^^
Prolly you mean instant backstab after bluff. Well read about bluff effect.
Quote from: N!k on March 29, 2014, 11:35:35 AM
a river of tears and perma qq about thier quiting - thats the way.
If it were minor changes like with deflect arrow from useless 2 min buff to useful toogle I wouldn't mind. But npc buffer or auto-rebuff every 60s completely ruins tactics figured while choosing subclass. And yes, I chose PP and I'd qq if they do it so better prepare free sub-change for those of my kind.
Quote from: TheDeath on March 29, 2014, 12:04:43 PM
How about pow/emp3/acu3 replaceing acu1 and empower lvl1 ? I mean, if u give pow yourself u suddenly lose the acu1/emp1, so if u give empower3, emp1 will be replaced and acu1 will be lost, untill pow goes off. Lets say you put an npc which gives btb/acu1/ww1/emp1/haste1/might1/button to refill your mana, and you can choose 3 of those actions.
This could give non oly chars players some chance to face some of the opponents and chars such as sps/ee wont get stronger.
What about giving non-tank/summoner chars TP, ud, shield stun/bash etc for open pvp so they as non-pvp chars can face all the opponents?
You should also consider enabling blessed spiritshots, since mages has really low chance vs fighters.
Just check the list.
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 10:25:21 AM
subclass server.
Awesome argument. Like the holes in zakens doors. So every previous DN servers weren't subclass? All of them had "normal" oly features as far as i remember.
Quote from: Sokrates on March 29, 2014, 12:35:57 PM
Awesome argument. Like the holes in zakens doors. So every previous DN servers weren't subclass? All of them had "normal" oly features as far as i remember.
Door:
the ability to hit or not through a door is not dictated by serverside but by clientside (yes, the game is THAT much old). This means the ability to shot through it is not decided on serverside, based on my morning breakfast, by putting "can_shot_through = true/false".
The ability to shot through
that door is decided by ncsoft itself and hardcoded in the client.
For such reason is a "grate" and not a thick door. And for same reason there is a wall corner just 2 steps after it to give you cover.
Olympiad:
on all previous chronicles, since 2007, i was giving a specific Olympiad Buff to each different class. With "packaged" boosts and weaknesses (big list of things, from specific damage reduction with specific weapons, to boosts/weaknesses on some resistances and even different HP/MP regen)
So, no, definitely since DNET substack servers exists we never had retail Olympiads as we simply cant: is a substack server. I dare you to try HE vs PP on retail or any other DPS vs Buffer.
Quote from: Csenky on March 29, 2014, 11:30:05 AM
And backstab succeeding from front? Why dagger classes aren't opening crapload of topics about that little "feature"? ^^
there are so few daggers out there to be able to complain about anything...I have some chars, subbed ones, and now I made dagger. Blow land rate is a joke as Blizzer said
Quote from: NunoPitbull on March 29, 2014, 01:40:45 AM
aleluia! someone with a brain taht understands NCsoft logic to make such door!
Some lv99 of hypocricy here! Shell i paste 90% of your topics calling staff (drake in particular) uneducated, nobish and a person who know shit about l2?
Change face with the wind flow +1
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 29, 2014, 01:24:59 PM
Some lv99 of hypocricy here! Shell i paste 90% of your topics calling staff (drake in particular) uneducated, nobish and a person who know shit about l2?
Change face with the wind flow +1
I thought lawyer skills had give u this recognizment,but you had to come in forum to check out how humans are,noone is real,noone tells u in the face what they think or not,they aint honest cuz they afraid of some
repercussion...but you..as a lawyer...should know it..
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
Door:
the ability to hit or not through a door is not dictated by serverside but by clientside (yes, the game is THAT much old). This means the ability to shot through it is not decided on serverside, based on my morning breakfast, by putting "can_shot_through = true/false".
The ability to shot through that door is decided by ncsoft itself and hardcoded in the client.
For such reason is a "grate" and not a thick door. And for same reason there is a wall corner just 2 steps after it to give you cover.
Olympiad:
on all previous chronicles, since 2007, i was giving a specific Olympiad Buff to each different class. With "packaged" boosts and weaknesses (big list of things, from specific damage reduction with specific weapons, to boosts/weaknesses on some resistances and even different HP/MP regen)
So, no, definitely since DNET substack servers exists we never had retail Olympiads as we simply cant: is a substack server. I dare you to try HE vs PP on retail or any other DPS vs Buffer.
Duelists and dagger classes on retail pretty much stomped any buffer class, only maybe EE with nuke aug could be a strong opponent for them
Things to reconsider: lets disccuss
- adding penalty on transfer pain, like reduction in casting (good idea/bad idea?)
- add olympiad buffs? (how many, which ones, what lvl, good/bad?)
- better landing of debuffs with massive shortening in duration (good / bad? )
Is it posssible to reuse all skills when you enter in olympiad?
From the above things, only auto re-use of all skills seems to be a good idea before every fight starts. Mby lvl 1 acu for mages and haste lv1+ww lv1 to fighters, but just mby. Other things are just crap. What happened to the "list of all changes was posted before server start and there will be no changes after qq topics" thing?
qq topics is what you get playing open beta as live server.
Auto reuse on skills just gonna boost tyrs and glads more :)
Quote from: Dzadro on March 29, 2014, 05:15:22 PM
From the above things, only auto re-use of all skills seems to be a good idea before every fight starts. Mby lvl 1 acu for mages and haste lv1+ww lv1 to fighters, but just mby. Other things are just crap. What happened to the "list of all changes was posted before server start and there will be no changes after qq topics" thing?
that was the suggestion since beginning of this thread, but ppl start QQ instead....
Quote from: Blizzer on March 29, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
Prolly you mean instant backstab after bluff. Well read about bluff effect.
No, I mean my mate casted backstab on me in front, just backstab nothing else, and it worked. :D
Quote from: =drake= on March 29, 2014, 01:07:02 AM
Then would make more sense to put a buffer NPC a la hellbound style with some extremely basic buffs.
See Yotube , when battel star Acumen WW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jj1cM5YfJA
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 29, 2014, 01:24:59 PM
Some lv99 of hypocricy here! Shell i paste 90% of your topics calling staff (drake in particular) uneducated, nobish and a person who know shit about l2?
Change face with the wind flow +1
Actually, I was complimenting him rofl. Since Lucid or whoever baned Rogu and Sogon have no idea about Zaken door and still banned them by a door that is designed to be shot from. But yeah Track, thanks for that poor comment you just made ;) Hope now your face changes with Wind, and your script to recognize lvl99 hypocricy gets fixed soon, might had some bug there and target me the wrong way :D
Quote from: mlhungary8 on March 29, 2014, 05:28:05 PM
Auto reuse on skills just gonna boost tyrs and glads more :)
I dont see why this should boost tyratns. Frenzy/zea doesnt have that big reuse as for instance UD, vengance, TOL, TOD.
Quote from: Toxa_Mc on March 29, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
See Yotube , when battel star Acumen WW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jj1cM5YfJA
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on March 29, 2014, 05:44:34 PM
custom server like dragon, with added ACU and Regen on Olympiad before match started //FAIL
Then make retail like server and nobody will QQ... oh wait
We try to stick most possibly to retail guidelines but still in function of the core custom mechanics of STACKSUB.
Quote from: Garro on March 29, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
Could u give valakas, antharas, zaken to all ppl that are joining oly? Since there are ppl who got it and fighting there, so its unbalanced as hell dont you think?
There is no way how to balance olympiad, it was good on old Interlude Dragon while there was HASte lvl 2 WW and Olympiad Blessing which had Passive mana regen per secon, M def by 10% and Acu lvl 2
i'll stick to my idea. acu 1 ww 1 haste 1, that's all.
Quote from: Garn. on March 29, 2014, 11:18:36 PM
i'll stick to my idea. acu 1 ww 1 haste 1, that's all.
just ww and haste, no acu.
Only windwalk and oly blessing is fine. If u want an extra buff get second weapon with proper augument, get soes+btb, sprite's+mental, and equip urself with passive/active augument. Buffer classes doesn't have any additional buffs, so maybe add emp lvl 1 to mage/pp sub to make it equal hm?
Only thing that should be changed is reset your skill after enter olympiad arena, and summons should not be unsummoned when u enter oly.
Reset skill is a no go for skills that are meant to not be used "always on" (even UD falls in this, for example. But basically anything with reuse higher than 20min falls in it.)
Even official, on later chronicles, does reset only on skills under a certain base reuse time.
Quote from: Ephroctius on March 29, 2014, 06:41:29 PM
I dont see why this should boost tyratns. Frenzy/zea doesnt have that big reuse as for instance UD, vengance, TOL, TOD.
Celestial shield ^^
Quote from: Painkiler on March 30, 2014, 12:00:22 AM
and summons should not be unsummoned when u enter oly.
Lel ... The hell they should, my 5 year old nephew can see a loophole in them being un summoned ... get a full buffed pet join oly send pet kill kk thnx bye
Quote from: Xardas on March 30, 2014, 04:45:08 AM
Lel ... The hell they should, my 5 year old nephew can see a loophole in them being un summoned ... get a full buffed pet join oly send pet kill kk thnx bye
Summons should have their buffbar reseted, or add a one elpy in starting area.
Quote from: Xardas on March 30, 2014, 04:45:08 AM
Lel ... The hell they should, my 5 year old nephew can see a loophole in them being un summoned ... get a full buffed pet join oly send pet kill kk thnx bye
They get unbuffed when entering Olys, same as any char.
As i said you can't balance olys. If you give more buffs then usual(Haste, acumen, WW) there's always some combos that wins more then others. Olys on substack servers are ment to be ruled by xx/buffers, that's why they are weaker combos outside olys(besides EE/ES, they are great inside & outside).
Quote from: Clonage on March 31, 2014, 04:01:22 AM
They get unbuffed when entering Olys, same as any char.
As i said you can't balance olys. If you give more buffs then usual(Haste, acumen, WW) there's always some combos that wins more then others. Olys on substack servers are ment to be ruled by xx/buffers, that's why they are weaker combos outside olys(besides EE/ES, they are great inside & outside).
problem is that u dont even have those basic
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 09:22:20 AM
problem is that u dont even have those basic
Yeah i get it. Tbh i kinda agree. Leave it retail like. xx/ee gets a bit strog but its not the end of the world. Also summon for necros. Drake already boosted erase so yeah....
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 09:22:20 AM
problem is that u dont even have those basic
If buffs have to be putted, for the sake of substack system would make more sense if are (basic) buffs that ALL buffer class have.
Else you get the (strong) combo XX/buffer that was missing "that" specific buff even more powerful.
for example: official acumen buff and the sps/ee.
They have already a good quantity of buffs and this way they would get 1 extra more.
EDIT: for example would make much more sense Shield and Might, alongside WW, as buffs in Oly.
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 02:04:28 PM
If buffs have to be putted, for the sake of substack system would make more sense if are (basic) buffs that ALL buffer class have.
Else you get the (strong) combo XX/buffer that was missing "that" specific buff even more powerful.
for example: official acumen buff and the sps/ee.
They have already a good quantity of buffs and this way they would get 1 extra more.
EDIT: for example would make much more sense Shield and Might, alongside WW, as buffs in Oly.
lvl 1 acumen wouldnt change so much imho
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 02:43:27 PM
lvl 1 acumen wouldnt change so much imho
The main "issue" in oly is simply that XX/buffers have all buffs and XX/nonbuffer have nearly none.
The whole thread complain is related to non-buffers having none.
If we add buffs that some buffers dont have, result is simply even stronger xx/buffers
And guess what: Acumen is not on EE so XX/EE gets even more buffs.
My proposal would be:
all mages: Shield + WW2 (ww like retail)
all fighters: Might + WW1 (ww like retail)
everyone: Olympiad Blessing
we can choose if having them only at start of match or recasted after XX seconds in case they disappear (cancel)
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 02:56:28 PM
The main "issue" in oly is simply that XX/buffers have all buffs and XX/nonbuffer have nearly none.
The whole thread complain is related to non-buffers having none.
If we add buffs that some buffers dont have, result is simply even stronger xx/buffers
And guess what: Acumen is not on EE so XX/EE gets even more buffs.
My proposal would be:
all mages: Shield + WW2 (ww like retail)
all fighters: Might + WW1 (ww like retail)
everyone: Olympiad Blessing
we can choose if having them only at start of match or recasted after XX seconds in case they disappear (cancel)
if you dont mind my question, what does olympiad blessing give? i failed to find any description to that buff in add-ons topic
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 02:56:28 PM
My proposal would be:
all mages: Shield + WW2 (ww like retail)
all fighters: Might + WW1 (ww like retail)
everyone: Olympiad Blessing
if u dont want acumen, then
shield+ww2 mages
haste1 ww1 fighters
Quote from: Alex on March 31, 2014, 03:02:56 PM
if you dont mind my question, what does olympiad blessing give? i failed to find any description to that buff in add-ons topic
Right now? nothing.
Later will probably change with some embedded effects like we had in the past in DNET IL: example is embedded HP/MP regen or similars.
We dont have them active since day1 because we want first see how is going without then (mostly the choices are linked to current PVP damage reduction)
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 03:21:51 PM
Right now? nothing.
Later will probably change with some embedded effects like we had in the past in DNET IL: example is embedded HP/MP regen or similars.
We dont have them active since day1 because we want first see how is going without then (mostly the choices are linked to current PVP damage reduction)
please dont.
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 03:29:13 PM
please dont.
Did you read the remaining part?
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 03:03:08 PM
if u dont want acumen, then
shield+ww2 mages
haste1 ww1 fighters
Haste have same issue of Acumen.
Haste and Acumen are good on retail without substack but retail dont have the xx/buffer issue.
As i said, buffs on oly for a stacksub server should be buffs that all buffers have, this way xx/buffers dont gain extra buffs from the already big list they have access to.
Acumen is not on EE, adding it would boost SP/EE (in comparison to all other classes included other mage/buffers)
Haste is not on all buffers too. adding it would boost fighter/buffers that dont have it making the difference against non-buffers even greater.
The only two skills that are
basic buffs and are
shared between all buffers are Might & Shield.
Also if you see it that way retail buffs multiply DPS. If you add might qnd shield ur giving 1 offensive buff and 1 defensive. Its going to be rly hard to balance Olys :x
Your ideia is good drake but its kinda meh for mages to get shield vs other mages.
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Did you read the remaining part?
Haste have same issue of Acumen.
Haste and Acumen are good on retail without substack but retail dont have the xx/buffer issue.
As i said, buffs on oly for a stacksub server should be buffs that all buffers have, this way xx/buffers dont gain extra buffs from the already big list they have access to.
Acumen is not on EE, adding it would boost SP/EE (in comparison to all other classes included other mage/buffers)
Haste is not on all buffers too. adding it would boost fighter/buffers that dont have it making the difference against non-buffers even greater.
The only two skills that are basic buffs and are shared between all buffers are Might & Shield.
why u rly dont like the hastelv1 idea for fighters? 15% atk speed would make class like ty/ol op? or already zilion glad's/pp would be stronger with 1lv haste instead pp ones?
Quote from: Peorexo on March 31, 2014, 07:19:29 PM
why u rly dont like the hastelv1 idea for fighters? 15% atk speed would make class like ty/ol op? or already zilion glad's/pp would be stronger with 1lv haste instead pp ones?
Yes, it would make ty/ol even stronger.
For fighters on a substack server makes much more sense "Might" as buff given for free in oly. The only fighter classes that have issues are the ones not subbed to buffers and all buffers have Might so adding "Might" boosts none of the fighter/buffers but slightly shorters the difference between buffers and not-buffers.
For mages is a big harder. The only common buff in all of them is Shield. It would be good choice but works only in fighter vs mage and not in mage vs mage (as someone pointed out).
But is also true that the appealing choices in a mage subclass arent so wide (most of the times relying to mage/buffer)
I wanted to finish my PW SWS but had to reroll cause no haste and oly is just for GL/PP , TY/WC, PP/WK and EE/ES other classes are pointless, while on last IL pw sws was strong enemy now is bullsh1t .
Anyway Daggers here are unplayable at all.
Mage/XX and Archer/XX it will be out of town and those 4 classes above are olympiad classes.
so sad
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on March 31, 2014, 08:00:11 PM
Anyway Daggers here are unplayable at all.
What is your issue with Daggers?
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:17:13 PM
What is your issue with Daggers?
for example extremely low dmg? have u seen olympiad TH damaging any Buffer class like ty ol gl pp and so on?
Damage is bugged, dmg to glad pp was 600 in tallum heavy with kris and dmg to gl pp with dc robe on same buffs was 750 WTF? explain me why dmg was increased by 20% when user changed his set from Heavy to Robe and his pdef was lowered by 400 Almost
Quote from: Abaddon on March 31, 2014, 08:29:25 PM
aw/se was able to 1shot sps/ee with backstab :)
and th is the worst dagger ever, no focus death ftw ::)
good, sps ee, now go one shot TY OL or GL PP i want see
Quote from: Abaddon on March 31, 2014, 08:32:38 PM
first time playing l2?
nop, but u r for sure
DMG to heavy Set/ TALLUM/ was 600 and same buffs to robe /Dark Crystal/was 750 difference pdef was around 300-400 go explain me this me smart ass
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 08:17:13 PM
What is your issue with Daggers?
no blink in this chronicle + reduction which prevent daggers of doing his job, dagger dies extremely fast and he cant one shot or even two shot enemy in most cases, and it applies to both oly and pvp. AW/se have the highest dmg in oly and thats true but still he have no survivability nor chances to survive vs good mage or any other melee dps fighter.
The only good sub for dagger for oly is th/pp cos no other dagger will have haste and gl with reuse on skills with that.
U says u will add might right? Cool 15% patk for daggers gives 1% skill dmg in most cases, so cool.
For sure u will not make us all happy but lv1 haste will not break balance in oly which is nonexistant, all pp subs will rule + orcs, thats all. Sps/ee without acu is a frag not farmer
Quote from: Peorexo on March 31, 2014, 10:15:50 PM
no blink in this chronicle + reduction which prevent daggers of doing his job, dagger dies extremely fast and he cant one shot or even two shot enemy in most cases, and it applies to both oly and pvp. AW/se have the highest dmg in oly and thats true but still he have no survivability nor chances to survive vs good mage or any other melee dps fighter.
The only good sub for dagger for oly is th/pp cos no other dagger will have haste and gl with reuse on skills with that.
U says u will add might right? Cool 15% patk for daggers gives 1% skill dmg in most cases, so cool.
For sure u will not make us all happy but lv1 haste will not break balance in oly which is nonexistant, all pp subs will rule + orcs, thats all. Sps/ee without acu is a frag not farmer
+100000 there was haste lvl 2 and it was good and balanced PW SWS were a lot even TH WL could make some pts and tanks with dagger too, now is just pointless to play dagger in all places
Quote from: Peorexo on March 31, 2014, 10:15:50 PM
no blink in this chronicle + reduction which prevent daggers of doing his job, dagger dies extremely fast and he cant one shot or even two shot enemy in most cases, and it applies to both oly and pvp. AW/se have the highest dmg in oly and thats true but still he have no survivability nor chances to survive vs good mage or any other melee dps fighter.
The only good sub for dagger for oly is th/pp cos no other dagger will have haste and gl with reuse on skills with that.
U says u will add might right? Cool 15% patk for daggers gives 1% skill dmg in most cases, so cool.
For sure u will not make us all happy but lv1 haste will not break balance in oly which is nonexistant, all pp subs will rule + orcs, thats all. Sps/ee without acu is a frag not farmer
u cant lose to mage as aw/se, mele fighters could be killable, gotta try with counterattack when i get sp to learn it on this fuc kin x4 pve server.
dragon LEGEND #156 Blizzer made th/pp and emoquited because of that ( got dry to 0, 2nd day he entered oly ) :D
anyway its interlude, i dont care what u had on previous servers, its interlude and this client is all about tyrant/glad/warlock/es/pal, no other classes are allowed, its 3rd month of server, fun oly ended as on every interlude server, get over it its not +50am laserkiller sps/ee, its normal interlude stacksub
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on March 31, 2014, 08:24:59 PM
for example extremely low dmg? have u seen olympiad TH damaging any Buffer class like ty ol gl pp and so on?
Damage is bugged, dmg to glad pp was 600 in tallum heavy with kris and dmg to gl pp with dc robe on same buffs was 750 WTF? explain me why dmg was increased by 20% when user changed his set from Heavy to Robe and his pdef was lowered by 400 Almost
K.
I was lv78 glad, tallum plate set, in WC buffs (shield+g.shield included).
Random dagger user switched me, and here is the dmg table:
4656; 4832; 5105; 4462
I don't know how he was buffed, but I don't think an earth song could've made this to the numbers what you wrote. Please, l2p. And specially don't speak about balance if your sentence includes olympiad.
Quote from: Csenky on April 01, 2014, 03:11:14 AM
K.
I was lv78 glad, tallum plate set, in WC buffs (shield+g.shield included).
Random dagger user switched me, and here is the dmg table:
4656; 4832; 5105; 4462
I don't know how he was buffed, but I don't think an earth song could've made this to the numbers what you wrote. Please, l2p. And specially don't speak about balance if your sentence includes olympiad.
ok now tell me what server do you play? BR x5000? which one of these ?
Please Learn to play! Thank you.
PS: send me screenshot of that 5 000 Blows prolly he got Mamba Edge+CD+PVP + Critical Wound/ Expose Weak Point landed on you yeah :D
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on April 01, 2014, 03:18:15 AM
ok now tell me what server do you play? BR x5000? which one of these ?
Please Learn to play! Thank you.
PS: send me screenshot of that 5 000 Blows prolly he got Mamba Edge+CD+PVP + Critical Wound/ Expose Weak Point landed on you yeah :D
The shot has been gone when I had to delete system folder for update, and forgot that the game saves the shots there.
It was at dwarven golka btw, maybe an exci or enclave member if I'm not mistaken, happend 1-2 weeks ago.
Quote from: preater on April 01, 2014, 02:51:47 AM
u cant lose to mage as aw/se, mele fighters could be killable, gotta try with counterattack when i get sp to learn it on this fuc kin x4 pve server.
dragon LEGEND #156 Blizzer made th/pp and emoquited because of that ( got dry to 0, 2nd day he entered oly ) :D
Actually its #83. And good to know that's the reason I left xd
Quote from: Csenky on April 01, 2014, 03:11:14 AM
K.
I was lv78 glad, tallum plate set, in WC buffs (shield+g.shield included).
Random dagger user switched me, and here is the dmg table:
4656; 4832; 5105; 4462
I don't know how he was buffed, but I don't think an earth song could've made this to the numbers what you wrote. Please, l2p. And specially don't speak about balance if your sentence includes olympiad.
taking 4 stabs in your back after 1 switch speaks enough of your skills to mitigate your entire post
Quote from: Alex on April 02, 2014, 01:26:46 PM
taking 4 stabs in your back after 1 switch speaks enough of your skills to mitigate your entire post
playing with 1 hand could explain a lot in this matter
Quote from: Alex on April 02, 2014, 01:26:46 PM
taking 4 stabs in your back after 1 switch speaks enough of your skills to mitigate your entire post
I could make a list for tards about how can I get 4 stabs in my back in the middle of 30-40 characters that are fighting eachother, but I won't argue with you just for the sake of arguing. I just wanted to put an example of a strong dagger character in here, before ppl start over again the "buff daggers plx" trashtalk.
Daggers ARE, WILL BE and WERE nerfed on this server, I played PW SWS Through C4 till Gracia it was mhm ehmm playable let say, but now is trash char /end
Quote from: DaggerIsMyLife on April 02, 2014, 06:35:46 PM
Daggers ARE, WILL BE and WERE nerfed on this server, I played PW SWS Through C4 till Gracia it was mhm ehmm playable let say, but now is trash char /end
You obviously didnt check dagger after last reboot. Not to mention that we are working on the ss bonus fix for daggers. But its hard to talk to you Fal.
They finally did something with landrate and let's say now actually blows DO happen to land + backstabs from back work, what a surprise xd
If they fix shots as they claim it will should be fine.
Quote from: Csenky on April 02, 2014, 02:37:57 PM
I could make a list for tards about how can I get 4 stabs in my back in the middle of 30-40 characters that are fighting eachother, but I won't argue with you just for the sake of arguing. I just wanted to put an example of a strong dagger character in here, before ppl start over again the "buff daggers plx" trashtalk.
are u sure? maybe it was necro/th? he landed anchor on u and started stabbing u while other 40 people around u kept giving u cancel and all possible pdef debuffs?
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
You obviously didnt check dagger after last reboot. Not to mention that we are working on the ss bonus fix for daggers. But its hard to talk to you Fal.
pwned.
what about necro summon on oly?
Quote from: Alex on April 02, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
are u sure? maybe it was necro/th? he landed anchor on u and started stabbing u while other 40 people around u kept giving u cancel and all possible pdef debuffs?
Hero chat ain't enough, you must spam trash everywhere? ^^
Quote from: Csenky on April 02, 2014, 08:49:40 PM
Hero chat ain't enough, you must spam trash everywhere? ^^
talk about spamming trash:
Quote from: Csenky on April 02, 2014, 02:37:57 PM
I could make a list for tards about how can I get 4 stabs in my back in the middle of 30-40 characters that are fighting eachother, but I won't argue with you just for the sake of arguing. I just wanted to put an example of a strong dagger character in here, before ppl start over again the "buff daggers plx" trashtalk.
Gratz for update based on olly. greate job /not.