Drake ! you changed TH Accuracy ? 40 % of hits Failed ... ( normal Hits )
No, but the soulshots gives UP TO x2 damage bonus since a week or two (See changelog)
You probably have too low skill against your target (noticeable if you try hit a lv80 char with a lv74 skill without enchants) (see enchant table for info about skills and levels)
I noticed the change in DMG. Now they instantkill (2 hit) pretty much anyone. Good (not) job.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 15, 2014, 10:50:08 PM
I noticed the change in DMG. Now they instantkill (2 hit) pretty much anyone. Good (not) job.
You're literally crying in every single topic. It's hilarious.
I heard nowadays daggers kill just with appearance. ladyzenith confirms?
daggers are ok, remember its low range attack class, so you can easy debuf or cancel it, now op is only th/wl coz focus attack should work only with pole not dagger :D
Quote from: Blizzer on April 15, 2014, 11:15:19 PM
I heard nowadays daggers kill just with appearance. ladyzenith confirms?
xD
Im getting insane dmg from dagger but still i think it should stay like this, dagger have to come close to make any dmg and they are supposed to be deadly when they manage to do it.
Quote from: SizeMatters on April 16, 2014, 12:09:10 AM
Im getting insane dmg from dagger but still i think it should stay like this, dagger have to come close to make any dmg and they are supposed to be deadly when they manage to do it.
that's just everything.
+1
Well they do really high damage ... Even in oly u dont have time to cast single skill :)
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 15, 2014, 10:50:08 PM
Good (not) job.
You can complain to NCsoft that putted those multipliers as what we did was nothing else than make it work as retail.
We should had them working correctly since day1 but didnt so was fixed 2 weeks ago (can be more, see changelog).
But this is not the main problem, the main problem is that i still dont get why anything done totally 1:1 as official is bad work and anything done the opposite (or new, custom) is bad work too.
Is 10 years i heard countless times the following excuses:
a) if i do anything custom: "wtf drake, you broke the game! stick to official rules dont put custom crap!"
b) if i do anything official: "wtf drake, you broke the game! we are stucksub server you cant follow official! jeez! what a retard!"
so, whatever is done, there is always an excuse to throw against. too convenient.
Quote from: Sokrates on April 15, 2014, 10:56:50 PM
You're literally crying in every single topic. It's hilarious.
Show me the "cry". You mean my suggestion daggers are OP? You are welcome to try it live. Or my suggestion about oly? Thats not mine thats a public conclusion we made with clan but only I and sometimes Trp write on this forum. So blow it at your ass if you got nothing worthy to say.
Drake:
Well, its pretty simple. Test it! Do not look at retail, cause retail settings =/= good. Retail was never ballanced, or close to it. The orc nerfs to prevent total OP combos are also not retail like. When people want stuff retail-like, they usually say it cause they want to gain some OP power with that. I would also like my old sps/sws with stackign stuff and all the good jaz. But I get why I don't get it.
Those daggers are just hilarious now. Even on shitty buffs then instantkill on first contact. This is not my observation cause i have small sample size (fought them only 3 times now) but everyone I asked shared the same experiece, or worse. And they are faster. So in theory if you made army of those they would be unbeatable, something like back then with C1 beta server core when dagger skills ignored pdef. They were very popular for a reason. We have few daggers here, cause at start they sucked. But try test them. Go make one, not even top gear thats absolutelly not needed, and just try against other classes. I mean the daggers before fix were not touching stuff, now they instantkill stuff so... Who would call it balanced?
I mean what happened, when the server started people were all on low damage, fights long, and even trough all your nerfs and the global dmg reduction we now got the oneshot machines back in the game out of nowhere and they are even worse then back in C4 without any those nerfs present. Looking back we had TheTH and Donluka, best 2 daggers on server, top S, full bossjewels, superb skills, and they never did the damage random guys do here in Maj light and some ranodomdpatackdoesntmatter dagger. Thats just not right. And buffs are not the key here, even on shitbuffs on oly they do it.
Yeah daggers so totally broken, after 2 month of not working shots, u finally see some daggers on pvp and QQ?
Try play mage without shots and see how cool it is.
And about dmg? Try use pdef buff not omg zerk+magnus+whateverothershit and u will not get more than 3k stab on vicious stance + focus power + mahum lv4 emp, its so broken?
My pr/bd with db+6+f on dead eye and mahum emp lv4 critical for 4k (pdef buffed mage) in 900range
Dagger hit for 3k from 50range, yet is broken LOL
protip #1, u dont wait daggers to engage, U JUST DONT GET CLOSE FIRST, u try to finish fight before we get to u. If u didnt know this then well, move with ur ideas to SPAM and start the qq there
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 16, 2014, 05:20:32 AM
Show me the "cry". You mean my suggestion daggers are OP? You are welcome to try it live. Or my suggestion about oly? Thats not mine thats a public conclusion we made with clan but only I and sometimes Trp write on this forum. So blow it at your ass if you got nothing worthy to say.
Drake:
Well, its pretty simple. Test it! Do not look at retail, cause retail settings =/= good. Retail was never ballanced, or close to it. The orc nerfs to prevent total OP combos are also not retail like. When people want stuff retail-like, they usually say it cause they want to gain some OP power with that. I would also like my old sps/sws with stackign stuff and all the good jaz. But I get why I don't get it.
Those daggers are just hilarious now. Even on shitty buffs then instantkill on first contact. This is not my observation cause i have small sample size (fought them only 3 times now) but everyone I asked shared the same experiece, or worse. And they are faster. So in theory if you made army of those they would be unbeatable, something like back then with C1 beta server core when dagger skills ignored pdef. They were very popular for a reason. We have few daggers here, cause at start they sucked. But try test them. Go make one, not even top gear thats absolutelly not needed, and just try against other classes. I mean the daggers before fix were not touching stuff, now they instantkill stuff so... Who would call it balanced?
I mean what happened, when the server started people were all on low damage, fights long, and even trough all your nerfs and the global dmg reduction we now got the oneshot machines back in the game out of nowhere and they are even worse then back in C4 without any those nerfs present. Looking back we had TheTH and Donluka, best 2 daggers on server, top S, full bossjewels, superb skills, and they never did the damage random guys do here in Maj light and some ranodomdpatackdoesntmatter dagger. Thats just not right. And buffs are not the key here, even on shitbuffs on oly they do it.
Your "suggestions" are filled with tears every single time. If you don't like something, you are making a topic about it and pray to god that Drake will change it, cuz you think it's OP, BROKEN, BUGGED or w/e else.
not sure what is this cry about I didnt notice any dmg boost any time, it was the same dps since day1 till today +- 5/10k on dc robe selfbuffed nerds with zerk and pow w/o gshield and 1-2k on properly buffed bishops like Garro or some FClubs one.
SPS/EE POWA 10k backstabs 'OMG NERF DAGGGER' im too bad to blockww/frostblot and vortex him to 50speed (ask steps how to do it, didnt kill him a single time out of 100? trys)
offtop: skill lvl of players on this server is lower than 0 and this forum just proves it.
yours aw/se always selfbuff dagger.
2 days i play on pvp with luke on goe, and there was 2 ppl only garro and some sk/se who debufed us, only 2!!, and them ppl cry dagger is o/p because he don't use his debufs lol. Evry mage class have some debufs like entangle,frostbolt,slow,fear,blockww,warrior bane,mana burn, magicalbackfire ect. lol wake up ppl and use your skils, not only f1.
some say LadyZENITH have mad SKILLZ, indeed - mad skillz in pissing ppl off :)
Quote from: Garro on April 16, 2014, 06:46:11 AM
Dunno what experience you got with pvp against daggers, it's not so big I guess. Daggers are hitting with good DMG but for sure they arent OP. With full buff as sumoner you can get max 1,4k dmg per stab, mostly around 1k, so its kinda low. Stop with some retarded nerfs ideas, mostly based on friends who got friends that were killed by daggers experience (propably on self buff got 7k dmg on back). Size wrote already everything about it and its completly true. They might be strong when they are close to you, but if u will notice them earlier they are dying pretty easly.
bullsh1t i get every time from daggers from 3 to 8 k dmg on full buff
Mby it's time to enchant ur dc robe or get major arcana/switch from pow to cov etc.
Quote from: exeQutor on April 16, 2014, 01:22:03 PM
bullsh1t i get every time from daggers from 3 to 8 k dmg on full buff
like most of cruels its time to stop pking on quest box, and start buff properly
It does not matter really. Like pdef buffs? Name them. Shield + G shield + Earth song. What else is there? COV may increase def but it also reduces speed so he will have it even easier. Had all of these buffs, it did nothing.
And none of these combined increase your real pdef for more then 1/3 approx. So instead of 2x8K in 0,5second it is 2x 5,5K in less then 0,5 second.
On oly, where he had only selfubuff and I had some def + earth + btb + life it was again instantkill on first contact. On sieges, it was always death to someone, preferably healer. None I know (all had fullbuff) survived the contact.
Sokrates: I just adapt to the situation. Drake is evidently listening to it so why not. A lot of people got their shit booseted out of proportions already and fallowing that I guess next week ill make a topic about nukers being underpowered and right now I'm just thinking about how to make it the most emo and touching.
Here you won't see ninja nerfs like it was on dragon bcz of qq'ers,cryers w/e.Track and Drake can confirm.So this topics are useless spam.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 16, 2014, 04:32:45 PM
It does not matter really. Like pdef buffs? Name them. Shield + G shield + Earth song. What else is there? COV may increase def but it also reduces speed so he will have it even easier. Had all of these buffs, it did nothing.
And none of these combined increase your real pdef for more then 1/3 approx. So instead of 2x8K in 0,5second it is 2x 5,5K in less then 0,5 second.
On oly, where he had only selfubuff and I had some def + earth + btb + life it was again instantkill on first contact. On sieges, it was always death to someone, preferably healer. None I know (all had fullbuff) survived the contact.
Sokrates: I just adapt to the situation. Drake is evidently listening to it so why not. A lot of people got their shit booseted out of proportions already and fallowing that I guess next week ill make a topic about nukers being underpowered and right now I'm just thinking about how to make it the most emo and touching.
every cancel is -5buffs even on chant of spirit, if th runs out of UE he is dead after 2 cancels getting 8k crits from mage.
pw/aw have no gap closer, nor instant speed boosts, block ww = gg?
th have dash but low basic speed, wind shackle + bane = gg?
hey best idea! spam forum. lol.gg.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 16, 2014, 05:20:32 AM
Show me the "cry". You mean my suggestion daggers are OP? You are welcome to try it live. Or my suggestion about oly? Thats not mine thats a public conclusion we made with clan but only I and sometimes Trp write on this forum. So blow it at your ass if you got nothing worthy to say.
Drake:
Well, its pretty simple. Test it! Do not look at retail, cause retail settings =/= good. Retail was never ballanced, or close to it. The orc nerfs to prevent total OP combos are also not retail like. When people want stuff retail-like, they usually say it cause they want to gain some OP power with that. I would also like my old sps/sws with stackign stuff and all the good jaz. But I get why I don't get it.
Those daggers are just hilarious now. Even on shitty buffs then instantkill on first contact. This is not my observation cause i have small sample size (fought them only 3 times now) but everyone I asked shared the same experiece, or worse. And they are faster. So in theory if you made army of those they would be unbeatable, something like back then with C1 beta server core when dagger skills ignored pdef. They were very popular for a reason. We have few daggers here, cause at start they sucked. But try test them. Go make one, not even top gear thats absolutelly not needed, and just try against other classes. I mean the daggers before fix were not touching stuff, now they instantkill stuff so... Who would call it balanced?
I mean what happened, when the server started people were all on low damage, fights long, and even trough all your nerfs and the global dmg reduction we now got the oneshot machines back in the game out of nowhere and they are even worse then back in C4 without any those nerfs present. Looking back we had TheTH and Donluka, best 2 daggers on server, top S, full bossjewels, superb skills, and they never did the damage random guys do here in Maj light and some ranodomdpatackdoesntmatter dagger. Thats just not right. And buffs are not the key here, even on shitbuffs on oly they do it.
I just wanna say I didn't read this reply :D
....and yeah you do cry, so what..
That's what happens when folks get used to always underrated daggers.
Quote from: Blizzer on April 16, 2014, 07:40:11 PM
That's what happens when folks get used to always underrated daggers.
Come back :( now you can make them qq hard ;D
I'll when I handle some irl stuff ;)
Quote from: chlipus on April 16, 2014, 01:42:38 PM
like most of cruels its time to stop pking on quest box, and start buff properly
ye ye for sure u guys will teach me how to buff :) dahell if i dont buff as it need i wont even comment here on ur trashtalks ...
And yea im from cruel and i have fun in pvp tho i make every day some but as i saw topic title just wanted to say my experience IG with daggers :)
Stop feel so pro and teach ppl how to buff coz some of us know much more than buffing :)
Quote from: Peorexo on April 16, 2014, 05:39:40 PM
every cancel is -5buffs even on chant of spirit, if th runs out of UE he is dead after 2 cancels getting 8k crits from mage.
pw/aw have no gap closer, nor instant speed boosts, block ww = gg?
th have dash but low basic speed, wind shackle + bane = gg?
hey best idea! spam forum. lol.gg.
How many chars did you list that should cooperate to disable one single dagger? How about 3 of them coming huh? They will clean up easilly. Ill make a few points.
- 8K mcrits to people are not possible. That was with bad mdef, buffs, and C jewels. If he has elemental protection + m. barrier and preferably warding, you will be hitting him for +- 600 at max. Mcrit, cannot be counted on that's like one per 10 shots even with all the buffs. Even if 2 nukers nuke him since start he will get there.
- Cancel. That is easy spell to see being casted. A good dagger will see if his target is trying it and drop its target. So again, to make it effective you need 3 dudes to do it. One will miss and other two may do it, but mostly you will not even find 3 people with cancel in the party.
- Wind shacle + bane? I already see the support pulling the never used not-on bar wind-shackle and the one summoner the bane... right... Maybe necro can doom him or something thats way more likely. But all in all you request half the party attention to take down single char. That by itself will probably end the pvp cause rest of the enemy party will not just sit there and watch you deal with that one dagger. And what if more then 1 comes at the same time....
Its pretty simple, today I tested, that on buffs, the blows hit harder (no lethal just stab + backstab which he does instantly as he reaches someone) then our destro crits with HD +4 on frenzy and fulbuff. Sorry thats just wrong.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 17, 2014, 12:35:19 AM
How many chars did you list that should cooperate to disable one single dagger? How about 3 of them coming huh? They will clean up easilly. Ill make a few points.
- 8K mcrits to people are not possible. That was with bad mdef, buffs, and C jewels. If he has elemental protection + m. barrier and preferably warding, you will be hitting him for +- 600 at max. Mcrit, cannot be counted on that's like one per 10 shots even with all the buffs. Even if 2 nukers nuke him since start he will get there.
- Cancel. That is easy spell to see being casted. A good dagger will see if his target is trying it and drop its target. So again, to make it effective you need 3 dudes to do it. One will miss and other two may do it, but mostly you will not even find 3 people with cancel in the party.
- Wind shacle + bane? I already see the support pulling the never used not-on bar wind-shackle and the one summoner the bane... right... Maybe necro can doom him or something thats way more likely. But all in all you request half the party attention to take down single char. That by itself will probably end the pvp cause rest of the enemy party will not just sit there and watch you deal with that one dagger. And what if more then 1 comes at the same time....
Its pretty simple, today I tested, that on buffs, the blows hit harder (no lethal just stab + backstab which he does instantly as he reaches someone) then our destro crits with HD +4 on frenzy and fulbuff. Sorry thats just wrong.
Welcome to the L2.
Please stop complaining about a mainly mage/archer killer class.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 17, 2014, 12:35:19 AM
How many chars did you list that should cooperate to disable one single dagger? How about 3 of them coming huh? They will clean up easilly. Ill make a few points.
- 8K mcrits to people are not possible. That was with bad mdef, buffs, and C jewels. If he has elemental protection + m. barrier and preferably warding, you will be hitting him for +- 600 at max. Mcrit, cannot be counted on that's like one per 10 shots even with all the buffs. Even if 2 nukers nuke him since start he will get there.
- Cancel. That is easy spell to see being casted. A good dagger will see if his target is trying it and drop its target. So again, to make it effective you need 3 dudes to do it. One will miss and other two may do it, but mostly you will not even find 3 people with cancel in the party.
- Wind shacle + bane? I already see the support pulling the never used not-on bar wind-shackle and the one summoner the bane... right... Maybe necro can doom him or something thats way more likely. But all in all you request half the party attention to take down single char. That by itself will probably end the pvp cause rest of the enemy party will not just sit there and watch you deal with that one dagger. And what if more then 1 comes at the same time....
Its pretty simple, today I tested, that on buffs, the blows hit harder (no lethal just stab + backstab which he does instantly as he reaches someone) then our destro crits with HD +4 on frenzy and fulbuff. Sorry thats just wrong.
entagle bolt vortex makes me 50speed. sws/sps is the best counter to any dagger u clueless cunt
I'm SPS/SWS. :) Entangle is range 600.... good luck casting it when he is dashing to you. He will get there and land the instant kill. PM me tomorrow in game we can try.
And that's not mine report, he killed everyone the same way. Not just me. All the nukers, archers, even those with transfer pain. I think even the Uber 1v1 TY/WC fell in 1 second.
I'm already lvling one dagger to prove the point, cause this is just too good to be ignored. If it does not get balanced why not play it.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 17, 2014, 03:22:05 AM
If it does not get balanced why not play it.
See? That's the problem. You make a new char when it seems OP. But let me tell you something. After meeting some decent ppl in pvp you will come to forum and qq again.
Face the fact, you suck and you won't get any better by crying in forum.
Hf
Nope. I'm actually pretty good and I'm not making TH.
Cause if you haven't noticed yet, I also posses the art of lying.... its sometimes useful.
Im playing in Dagger party, and we made plenty of 9v9's, we did won most of them but from what i saw, excidiums mages was the pain in ass to deal with, and no, sorry they we're not dieing on 2 shots unless i landed shock blast or they got hex/block shield.
And i do have skills++, as+cd, rb jwls.
Also cancel is useless? I have fraps when i got 2 cancels and lost 3 buffs (i was under UE and hero valor), what i lost?: mbarrier, song of warding, elemental... boom got 8k from sh R.I.P
But well better cry than try to play with it.
PS: if dagger use PoWind they have no defensive from that just speed, if they use cov all of them are under 200speed and u can slow them easily. (imba 230speed on dash yay!)
Well i dunno why i shouldnt even post here, go make a dagger give my party more fun feel free
#fragfest
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 17, 2014, 04:31:22 AM
Nope. I'm actually pretty good and I'm not making TH.
Cause if you haven't noticed yet, I also posses the art of lying.... its sometimes useful.
Useful? More like pathetic. You have to lie in a forum to get attention?
Pretty good? That's why you had to come here and spread your tears.
But let me guess..your previous post was a lie as well :D
Perhaps....
There is no other way. Years of experience with Drake told me so. You gotta bring attention to something, then people start to roll it, and only when it becomes major population problem he will pay attention. Remember the only frenzy with all weapons, remember the first installation of Glads after IL update... oh I remember all those things. The idea here is to make it so cool much that the wannabees will roll it and that will actually brign attention to the problem.
If you will be as good dagger as good mage you are then me and other dagger users are relieved.
Nope, no need. I'm most likely better then you anyway.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 17, 2014, 07:28:59 PM
Nope, no need. I'm most likely better then you anyway.
wow now it is
"me > you, doesnt matter its me who is dieing on 2 hits"
cool! I cant wait what will bring tomorrow.
I did not create this topic, nor changed it direction, only after that has been done.... I have merely.... glorified it with my presence and you were a great help at that.
Incredible amount of bladibla while it's just common sence how to play against dagger characters... For all I can see, ya'll should be happy how daggers are atm (f.e. lethal chance in IL should be way better then it is now...).
Revell, dont make them mages mad bra.