Though we were about to not setting up any limit, many of you have told us, that you don't like that, and would be better to set up a 3 box-limit. Of course we are listening to your advices, and now we are making a question to you, what you'd like. So please tell us if you are agree or disagree with a box-limit, and how many boxes would be okay for you. Thank you for your time!
triple box MINIMUM imo (played on single dualbox limited server for past 4 months, a lot of ppl here will know what server im talking about) and as a 1 PC 'only' owner, this was a big disadvantage for me.
Well, if more people will choose the server like this, for me it's ok. But I agree that then set to box limit to 3 or 4.
3 box is enough for main+2 support(like mage+Se+BD). It's enough, raid bosses aren't meant to be slaughtered by 1 man :)
Main +2
for me it need to be 0 box but sadly we are in 2017
Honestly, keeping it limitless will save you guys in staff alot of trouble. There's no way to tell if people are using 1 or 2 pcs unless you go and check logs I guess. Personally I'm gonna be using 4 chars and I'm sure there's some people more than me that already made up strategies for lvling etc :P I can use multiple pcs if needed but I'm sure I'll be reported nonetheless if the limit is there.
Quote from: Easley on October 03, 2017, 05:24:32 PM
Honestly, keeping it limitless will save you guys in staff alot of trouble. There's no way to tell if people are using 1 or 2 pcs unless you go and check logs I guess. Personally I'm gonna be using 4 chars and I'm sure there's some people more than me that already made up strategies for lvling etc :P I can use multiple pcs if needed but I'm sure I'll be reported nonetheless if the limit is there.
Well yeah as long as server is capable of withstanding the amount of accounts it shall be fine xD
1+1 is best option. People need realize finally that if there is multi box option, support players will never find a party which leads into them rerolling or leaving server. I can't count myself how many times I struggled find party even with EE/SE/BD. You can't rely only on so called "clan parties" because not all of them are willing to exp together and it is understandable.
My vote is for Main + Box option.
Quote from: els on October 03, 2017, 05:47:37 PM
1+1 is best option. People need realize finally that if there is multi box option, support players will never find a party which leads into them rerolling or leaving server. I can't count myself how many times I struggled find party even with EE/SE/BD. You can't rely only on so called "clan parties" because not all of them are willing to exp together and it is understandable.
My vote is for Main + Box option.
Last interlude x5 server i played there was 1+1 and guess what, people struggled to find party anyway therefore I see no point in limiting boxes.
0 or no limit
I wont log more than 2 boxes but who cares. My vote is for no limit.
1main + 2boxes is more than enough for populated server.
no limit would be the best... like many stated before there is always a way to log more with multiple pcs... you will just limit those who only have 1 pc. Also those saying supports wont get party thats not true, its always better to have active support in group than passive box.
When I first saw 'no limit' I was stoked. I started imagining all the stuff I could do solo, all the new posibilities.
But the more i think about it the more I'm leaning towards joining a clan anyway.
What I'm trying to say is, why limit the options? Some people like to play in smaller groups or alone and will appreciate no limit.
As ImmortaLSpiriT said it's always better to have an active support in a party, so PvP no question.
About PvE,
Quote from: els on October 03, 2017, 05:47:37 PM
1+1 is best option. People need realize finally that if there is multi box option, support players will never find a party which leads into them rerolling or leaving server. I can't count myself how many times I struggled find party even with EE/SE/BD. You can't rely only on so called "clan parties" because not all of them are willing to exp together and it is understandable.
My vote is for Main + Box option.
following this logic even 1 box will have that effect, but I'd say this mostly concerns buffers not all supports. I don't think you'll have a problem finding pt as a recharger ;).
Then
Quote from: GIGeorge on October 03, 2017, 04:00:04 PM
3 box is enough for main+2 support(like mage+Se+BD). It's enough, raid bosses aren't meant to be slaughtered by 1 man :)
well that's like.. your opinion maan. And about the RB if you can pull off a solo RB kill on low rate interlude, i'd say you deserve it.
Other big reason is that you get rid of all the overhead of policing over how many boxes someone has.
Save your energy for better things, I vote no limit.
PS. 'No boxes' is off the table for many reasons which I don't want to go into.
No limit its perfect.
If you want to make box-limit then 1+2.
I'm ok with Main + 3 or 4 u know for buffers and craft
cmon guys, why u need that stupid limit anyway. who needs boxes - will box... with other PC or with VM, doesnt matter. just leave it like it is - no limits. Active support in party is always the best and every clan knows that. GMs have many things to do, u want them also ban/jail multiboxers?
I vote for no limit
Giving a rule that will be just sucking our blood and time doesn't make any sense, especially because we are living in 2017, where there are so many ways of changing your IP/Hwid. Having said that, limitations on the boxes doesn't have any reasonable sense to me.
On the other hand, using walkers is something completely different and it will be sanctioned/punished accordingly.
Quote from: CLAGOR on October 03, 2017, 10:01:05 PM
When I first saw 'no limit' I was stoked. I started imagining all the stuff I could do solo, all the new posibilities.
It's weird when you going to play a mmorpg to have this mentality, sure people want and could play alone, if they really desires it, but why join a mmorpg...
2bad about the boxes, i don't like it cos make people go solo, or just with 2/3.
Orc and 3 buffers and here we go farm.
Yes live support is better for clans and parties and especially in pvp, but let's be realistic. If your cp's buffer logs off you log the buffer on and continue, you don't grab a random live buffer from town to replace them. Allowing boxes actually does hurt support players unless they have a steady group to play with in advance.
There are a ton of players that would rather level up to 7x alone with their boxes so they get 100% of the drops and never have to wait on finding the right classes, than they would to play with random supports. Those random supports can't get leveled up on their own to get recruited to established clans... and so they end up quitting. As a support player, I've been there and done that. I won't even start a server now unless I have a clan or cp lined up because I know how it works. So saying supports won't have a problem is wrong, they will. Probably not early on while everyone's new, but in a month or so no new supports will be able to start unless they're willing to box their support and play a dd just to level it.
With that said, I don't see any good way for the devs to enforce a box limit because people have 2+ computers or play from shared LANs. I also know servers that don't allow boxes at all rarely get a decent population because people won't bother starting. Since 0 won't work you may as well (unfortunately) make it unlimited.
well, I still dont see a problem. just find a clan or cp and play. Im also support and have never had such problem. even if u join later, most of clans gonna take u, cuz active support is rare nowadays. anyway, everyone has his opinion here, so lets just see what admins decide
The best option will be without any boxes, that way people who main support classes will be able to find parties easier and it will be fair for everyone. One man x3+ chars is stupid and that makes the game completely different from what it's supposed to be. That's what will make your "retail" server unique in my honest opinion if you do that, but I guess it won't even be taken into consideration.. :)
Quote from: Escaflew on October 04, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
The best option will be without any boxes, that way people who main support classes will be able to find parties easier and it will be fair for everyone. One man x3+ chars is stupid and that makes the game completely different from what it's supposed to be. That's what will make your "retail" server unique in my honest opinion if you do that, but I guess it won't even be taken into consideration.. :)
there is no way to secure no dualbox policy. There are ways to avoid it. Current L2 is heavily based on boxing and prohibit it is retarded. There are simply too many people who loves exp/gear themselves and join clans just for mpvp/raids/sieges.
Quote from: Escaflew on October 04, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
The best option will be without any boxes, that way people who main support classes will be able to find parties easier and it will be fair for everyone. One man x3+ chars is stupid and that makes the game completely different from what it's supposed to be. That's what will make your "retail" server unique in my honest opinion if you do that, but I guess it won't even be taken into consideration.. :)
No, no and no, also what you say is naive because there will always be someone without party no matter if support or dd, then some of those who won't have the party won't be able to log boxes also guess what are they going to do then... quit because not a single person will go and exp solo as gladiator or whatever character without buffs, or stay in town for hours and scream like retard for party.
edit: we are in 2017 - just gonna leave it here.
My opinion is no limit.
Seems everybody here is preferring to kill RBs with his own multiaccount boxes ...
Also everybody likes HIGH load on server where everybody got 5 chars behind him ....
Should be limited like 1+2max ... even if somebody got 2-3 pc at home, it is hard to operate full party on more PC. You need to switch keyboard / mouses when you got more PCs.
But when it will be unlimited boxes on PC ... it is just ALT+TAB or MOUSE CLICK. Every monkey will do it.
main +2
main+2
No box limit. I want one man armies everywhere. No more waiting people to log or counting who's boxing already or not.
PC 2 box, IP 3 box.
I'm playing with my wife and i think 3 box (for 2 user on same IP) is enought to enjoy the game and find some PT. If you put no limit we can handle almost one full pt (buff/regen/spoil) at 2 ppl with macro like on other server. Macro on BD/EE/SE and even sws if needed...
Sure it's harder to xp without full buff, but we are here to play on low rate not on X100. XP is the main part on the game at this rate, i prefer to invit ppl instead of my dualbox.
I'm glad to see this server got a good enough bot protect, don't waste it with unlimit box plz.
Quote from: Delube on October 07, 2017, 05:44:17 PM
PC 2 box, IP 3 box.
I'm playing with my wife and i think 3 box (for 2 user on same IP) is enought to enjoy the game and find some PT. If you put no limit we can handle almost one full pt (buff/regen/spoil) at 2 ppl with macro like on other server. Macro on BD/EE/SE and even sws if needed...
Sure it's harder to xp without full buff, but we are here to play on low rate not on X100. XP is the main part on the game at this rate, i prefer to invit ppl instead of my dualbox.
I'm glad to see this server got a good enough bot protect, don't waste it with unlimit box plz.
there is always a way to multy box. i can log with 3-4 different ips this sec if i want. i think gms should focus on more important things and let number of boxes be unlimited. Like someone said before... its 2017, limiting number of boxes is stupid. bots are the problem tho
I was checking out some dev videos the other day for an MMORPG currently in the works and the game director answered a question at some point about multiboxing. So about the idea of putting in effect client restrictions, he laughed and said that there will never be any kind of box limit whatsoever. If someone wants to enjoy a game with 2 chars, that's ok with them. Apparently it doesn't make sense to place a restriction that you cannot control over a large number of players. Even new companies acknowledge this. Let the multiboxing be unlimited.
Quote from: MrBobe on October 07, 2017, 06:58:10 PM
I was checking out some dev videos the other day for an MMORPG currently in the works and the game director answered a question at some point about multiboxing. So about the idea of putting in effect client restrictions, he laughed and said that there will never be any kind of box limit whatsoever. If someone wants to enjoy a game with 2 chars, that's ok with them. Apparently it doesn't make sense to place a restriction that you cannot control over a large number of players. Even new companies acknowledge this. Let the multiboxing be unlimited.
same goes for blizzard, by far best gaming company and best mmorpg (wow) and if you want you can log 20 chars at the same time and they let you. i actually saw ppl playing 10-15 chars at the same time and its perfectly legal...
Yeah coz you have to pay for each account.
It was same on offcial server, i had 4 box active from 7 years. They was enjoying ppl like me coz we pay 4x more than "normal" players.
btw if it's unllimit box i'll enjoy game too, most important are bot protect and community spirit imo.
Quote from: Delube on October 08, 2017, 11:14:42 AM
Yeah coz you have to pay for each account.
It was same on offcial server, i had 4 box active from 7 years. They was enjoying ppl like me coz we pay 4x more than "normal" players.
btw if it's unllimit box i'll enjoy game too, most important are bot protect and community spirit imo.
Yeap they seek profit. The l2 community splits and decreases every year. Unlimited boxes is the answer.
Take off Igor & Magor, or make the stuff they sell untradable/exchange ect...and you will see lot of bots will disapear in the low level area and that will be better for the economy of the server..
Box limits 3 , that's really enought..
Floki is here and he will hunt them down, he is really active gm we are happy to have him here!
In game rules, incl. box rule, will be added in the upcoming days. Anyway it will be main +3 boxes, town- no limit.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 08, 2017, 08:14:18 PM
In game rules, incl. box rule, will be added in the upcoming days. Anyway it will be main +3 boxes, town- no limit.
why change of mind now? it was stated at the start it will be no limit. also there are plenty of good reasons why not to limit it can you give us reason why did you decide against?
also i would like you to see how will you limit it considering i can log 3 pcs with 3 different ips this min and i bet im not nearly the only one to do it
Quote from: ImmortaLSpiriT on October 08, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
why change of mind now? it was stated at the start it will be no limit. also there are plenty of good reasons why not to limit it can you give us reason why did you decide against?
also i would like you to see how will you limit it considering i can log 3 pcs with 3 different ips this min and i bet im not nearly the only one to do it
There is big difference between bots and dual box, we will check for the ip, so you will be fine. As i said in my previoua post, i dont see point in limitation, hense some rules has to exist. I hope that you understand.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 08, 2017, 10:05:18 PM
There is big difference between bots and dual box, we will check for the ip, so you will be fine. As i said in my previoua post, i dont see point in limitation, hense some rules has to exist. I hope that you understand.
Am I the only one totally confused by this?
Anyway, basically you're saying that you can have any amount of boxes if you know how to manipulate your IP?
Hi!
I think that no limit is the best option. Gm can put his energy and time to solve problems that matter, fight against bots and keep qualitative service and this project. As for there have to be rules then here you have - For boxing no limits.
For these who think that no limit is bad - As recruitment goes we can see some clans that say they need ppl and some that doesn't. There are lot of expectation on big clans. There are language barrier for some of them and so on. So what that some want to play alone. Let them, no harm done. Economy wont be affected. Active pt will overhaul one man army for the spot. Hey and for pk and pvp - you can kill one pt and say i am hero :D.
Quote from: janka88 on October 09, 2017, 11:28:17 AM
Hey and for pk and pvp - you can kill one pt and say i am hero :D.
:D ;D good one
Quote from: CLAGOR on October 09, 2017, 11:03:04 AM
Am I the only one totally confused by this?
Anyway, basically you're saying that you can have any amount of boxes if you know how to manipulate your IP?
so how are they going to counter that? Its not possible. i log 1 main + boxes on my pc and same on my laptop and i alrady have 8 of them and its all legal. and its fine that way. only better way would be unlimited on 1 ip
Quote from: ImmortaLSpiriT on October 09, 2017, 08:24:46 PM
so how are they going to counter that? Its not possible. i log 1 main + boxes on my pc and same on my laptop and i alrady have 8 of them and its all legal. and its fine that way. only better way would be unlimited on 1 ip
Nice case ... your second PC is slow as .... you need to change keyboard + mouse if you want do something ... this is not easy for you ... and for GM it will be easy to put you in jail for some time. Case closed.
Quote from: fifo100 on October 09, 2017, 09:03:26 PM
Nice case ... your second PC is slow as .... you need to change keyboard + mouse if you want do something ... this is not easy for you ... and for GM it will be easy to put you in jail for some time. Case closed.
if you still didnt figure out multi boxing is only good for farming (buffers) and switching keyboard and mouse every few min is actually easy then you have a problem m8. also how will he jail this kind of players? its my sisters char and she is afk atm on follow and 3 buffers are hers, so jail for what?
Why are you worried about it? Play the game and have fun. Don't nitpick so much.
Instead of wasting energy on already well set server, please spread the hyipe more, bring your friends and friends's friends! More enemies on the battleground the better, and healtier community.
Cheers
Quote from: Eresh on October 09, 2017, 09:28:01 PM
Why are you worried about it? Play the game and have fun. Don't nitpick so much.
+1
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 09, 2017, 09:34:52 PM
Instead of wasting energy on already well set server, please spread the hyipe more, bring your friends and friends's friends! More enemies on the battleground the better, and healtier community.
Cheers
+2
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 08, 2017, 08:14:18 PM
In game rules, incl. box rule, will be added in the upcoming days. Anyway it will be main +3 boxes, town- no limit.
I suggest to put rules in announcements section not in some "lol topic" between flame war and spam ^^
Quote from: Morel on October 09, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
I suggest to put rules in announcements section not in some "lol topic" between flame war and spam ^^
Will do, its not on our priority list atm, i just wanted to point out how it will be, so the spam can stop (not).
So how are you going to stay?
Am I the only who worshipped 1 window limit servers? where every class matters and is played? where playing ur supp char meant your clan mates wont ignore u in order to gain a little more xp ? where u dont have 1 player boxing 4 chars xping his main with a destro ? i mean come on.. maybe since its 2017 having a 1 window only will make the server seem like its empty, but would u rather have 1,5k "online" yet its 400-500 active players? or 500 players co-oping to hit goals and enjoying the game the way it was meant to be? Just a thought,i know the no-life rats who plan on boxing 4 chars to do manes/IT/FOG trains will be disapointed,but to be perfectly honest with you ive done both those things, boxing 4 chars AND single box grinding. and nothing compares to playing even PP and it actually being FUN,actually having to wait for your clans warlock to login so u can stack an IT party,actually taking ur clan spoiler for a dmg boosted spoil run so all players can benefit equally, and finally actually needing great coordination and teamwork in order to get bosses killed,where sieging a castle actually requires A TANK,or even a warsmith since you're all in B/C grade in the first siege. where B/A grade actually matters cause it will be a little while till u hit the next grade. Its a lot more fun guys, hitting s weapons and the first epics within 4 weeks doesnt mean its more fun, it just shortens the servers lifespan and if some1 doesnt start playing on server opening theres a good chance once half the server is in A grade and subbed it will no longer be new player friendly,those are my thoughts on the matter.
i hope there'll be a poll with the option i suggested in,and i hope people feel me :)
-From a C5 fanatic. and a player who recently came back to l2 after a 7 year break cause l2 stoped being as fun with the new clients and robotic like gameplay on interlude/c5.
Quote from: Quixie on October 12, 2017, 01:50:46 PM
Am I the only who worshipped 1 window limit servers? where every class matters and is played? where playing ur supp char meant your clan mates wont ignore u in order to gain a little more xp ? where u dont have 1 player boxing 4 chars xping his main with a destro ? i mean come on.. maybe since its 2017 having a 1 window only will make the server seem like its empty, but would u rather have 1,5k "online" yet its 400-500 active players? or 500 players co-oping to hit goals and enjoying the game the way it was meant to be? Just a thought,i know the no-life rats who plan on boxing 4 chars to do manes/IT/FOG trains will be disapointed,but to be perfectly honest with you ive done both those things, boxing 4 chars AND single box grinding. and nothing compares to playing even PP and it actually being FUN,actually having to wait for your clans warlock to login so u can stack an IT party,actually taking ur clan spoiler for a dmg boosted spoil run so all players can benefit equally, and finally actually needing great coordination and teamwork in order to get bosses killed,where sieging a castle actually requires A TANK,or even a warsmith since you're all in B/C grade in the first siege. where B/A grade actually matters cause it will be a little while till u hit the next grade. Its a lot more fun guys, hitting s weapons and the first epics within 4 weeks doesnt mean its more fun, it just shortens the servers lifespan and if some1 doesnt start playing on server opening theres a good chance once half the server is in A grade and subbed it will no longer be new player friendly,those are my thoughts on the matter.
i hope there'll be a poll with the option i suggested in,and i hope people feel me :)
-From a C5 fanatic. and a player who recently came back to l2 after a 7 year break cause l2 stoped being as fun with the new clients and robotic like gameplay on interlude/c5.
First of all mate you're simply rude, why do you call people who have more time to play the game 'rats'? wtf is wrong with you were you bullied at school? it's natural some people have different responsibilites in life and can play more, it's not your business to be honest and also no reason to flame them for it lul, Second, to sum up what I wanted to write (but decided not to coz it would be too long) just wanna say we are in 2017, I played x5 IL for past 4 months with 1 box limit like you say, the online went down really fast from ~2k on start, and not being able to find a party was one of the major reasons, l2 will not like look it used to on any server, whether you like it or not.
Please find me a server where BOXes are completely controlled according the rules. We will apply the general and global rules about it , while we will manually check in game suspicious persons.
Behind every box there is a real person playing (at least 1), while behind L2w there is no people, in line with that we are trying to protect as much as we can against automated programs, boxes will be handled on our own. So please once again forget 2003. this is 2017., as much as love retail and as much as we would like to have everything like we had in the past, some things (small ones) has to be adjusted to reality.
Quote from: SizeMatters on October 12, 2017, 02:38:05 PM
First of all mate you're simply rude, why do you call people who have more time to play the game 'rats'? wtf is wrong with you were you bullied at school? it's natural some people have different responsibilites in life and can play more, it's not your business to be honest and also no reason to flame them for it lul, Second, to sum up what I wanted to write (but decided not to coz it would be too long) just wanna say we are in 2017, I played x5 IL for past 4 months with 1 box limit like you say, the online went down really fast from ~2k on start, and not being able to find a party was one of the major reasons, l2 will not like look it used to on any server, whether you like it or not.
u are hypersensitive and touchy yet i was bullied in school?are u for real ? who did i insult by that? we get it u live in ur moms basement and play l2 all day, if i had such luxuries i'd do it too possibly, and i wouldnt get offended by being called a "life-less rat".i just used the phrase to emphasize on players who play A LOT,no offense intended. political correctness man i tell ya.. jeez. i hope the airquotes helped, i didnt use it as an insult.
and btw u are probably bullshitting about the 2k online cause if u got 2k active players with no boxes theres no chance u wont be able to find a party.