Well.. I was working on it till we left, and the video was longer than it is, and the compression sucks so bad because I did some sh1t and deleted the fraps original files.. anyway quality is big. Movie its only 3:00 minutes, one song, 156 mb (I alredy told compression sucks), movie was looking to be at least 8:00 min but I didnt end the 2nd song and I deleted the fraps files.. so here you have the first part I was able to save.
http://files.filefront.com/partedelvideonuevoavi/;9463509;/fileinfo.html
Hoping to see you around, regards.
Raven section is dead, thats why I post it here, and there are some errors... xD, so take a look
Quote from: PoToSi on January 19, 2008, 07:58:40 PM
Well.. I was working on it till we left, and the video was longer than it is, and the compression sucks so bad because I did some sh1t and deleted the fraps original files.. anyway quality is big. Movie its only 3:00 minutes, one song, 156 mb (I alredy told compression sucks), movie was looking to be at least 8:00 min but I didnt end the 2nd song and I deleted the fraps files.. so here you have the first part I was able to save.
http://files.filefront.com/partedelvideonuevoavi/;9463509;/fileinfo.html
Hoping to see you around, regards.
Raven section is dead, thats why I post it here, and there are some errors... xD, so take a look
nub ;D
enemies sucks or they bot rb :D anyway raven sucks :P
Quote from: Golradyr on January 20, 2008, 12:56:49 AM
enemies sucks or they bot rb :D anyway raven sucks :P
still pretty nice movie, respect
Quote from: weapon_zero on January 20, 2008, 01:21:58 AM
still pretty nice movie, respect
ahh yeah compresion sucks too :P less than 4min=160mb :-X
Quote from: Golradyr on January 20, 2008, 01:37:59 AM
ahh yeah compresion sucks too :P less than 4min=160mb :-X
Quoteand the compression sucks so bad because I did some sh1t and deleted the fraps original files..
I deleted the files and this one was a "prove" to check quaility, is almost at top quaility, thats why it weights so much... with normal status it would... 70, 80 mb
Anyway, kleep watching, I like people to comment my videos
Really nice mate:)
Quote from: Kikolina on January 20, 2008, 05:17:41 PM
im playing on top quality when i record, so when i render i have to put all on HIGH? to get top? i always put on high and all.. but come out looking like an ass^^
When you render on Xvid, you got to try out what your resolution is, the quaility in which you record has nothing to do with the quality of the movie (well it does, but only at 100% quality).
Meaning, if you are recording at... 1600 or so on, you dont want a full quality stuff, because it will weight so much.
Well, Im not so good in rendering either, the only one that knows how to render at max quality-weight here is Lopes xD
btw at 1:55 mins we can see ur walker :P
shh <_< me pwnz u <_<
Quote from: Kikolina on January 20, 2008, 07:08:41 PM
im recording on 12xx x 1xxx and other details are low except terrain range and that.. so what should i take for nice quality?^^
Ask Lopes, I rarely know how to explain it xD
well, i already spoke with all of you guys in pms. i dont even do 2-pass, i tried it and i didnt like it because it improves one thing and freaks up another. xvid, 1-pass and 2500 kbps bitrate is more than enough for any resolution. maybe you dont compress sound? :)
ps. the movie is ok, your enemies arent.
Quote from: Lopes on January 20, 2008, 10:48:15 PM
well, i already spoke with all of you guys in pms. i dont even do 2-pass, i tried it and i didnt like it because it improves one thing and freaks up another. xvid, 1-pass and 2500 kbps bitrate is more than enough for any resolution. maybe you dont compress sound? :)
ps. the movie is ok, your enemies arent.
hmm.. i found 2 pass was great ..what does it freak up for you?
2-pass is great when you rip movies, but when you render your own (especially with imported pre-made graphics from photoshop) it tends to screw them up a bit. moreover, if you use a lot of layers/efx the whole rendering thing turns into a very time consuming process and having it multiplied by 2 just doesnt pay off in the end.
hmm well i m wondering how this could possibly screw up. as i understand it it s simple a variable bitrate process in contrast to a constant video bitrate.
must say i never used it with many effects though, only results with "normal" lineage clips were better in terms of quality<>size then with a single pass encoding.
but you have more experience then me on this. :)
nice movie. Imho potato was making nice movies all the time. Still have the old ones :)
imho Lizzadriel videos quality rocks too
Quote from: Lopes on January 20, 2008, 10:48:15 PM
well, i already spoke with all of you guys in pms. i dont even do 2-pass, i tried it and i didnt like it because it improves one thing and freaks up another. xvid, 1-pass and 2500 kbps bitrate is more than enough for any resolution. maybe you dont compress sound? :)
ps. the movie is ok, your enemies arent.
Ehm, just a question.
If a uncompressed song weights... lets say, 4 mb, compression of it would be, max 1 mb, no?
Whats the difference from 95 to 94 mb?
Btw, tryed that 2500 kb bitrate when I asked you for first time, really good weight, but quality... leaves much to desire.. I had to check a new one myself rendering 87k movies of 10 secs xD
(Im sure Im wrong, just correct me)
Quote from: Lopes on January 20, 2008, 10:48:15 PM
ps. the movie is ok, your enemies arent.
as always , i must agree with lopes, u got a cool quality, work on some effects now.
but the enemies, jesus, they rly sucks
:P
Quote from: Akon on January 21, 2008, 02:56:06 PM
as always , i must agree with lopes, u got a cool quality, work on some effects now.
but the enemies, jesus, they rly sucks
:P
its raven, aka Carebear 10x
Quote from: PoToSi on January 21, 2008, 02:58:48 PM
its raven, aka Carebear 10x
i played there 1 week, and uff, bye, back to infinity hehe.
uncompressed sound means wav format (40-60MB/song).
Ehm, you mean that when I add some song to vegas in mp3, he renders it back to wav? Oo
with 1-pass your movie gets encoded right away,
with 2-pass it gets examined first (and saved into a log file) and then encoded in the second pass using info from the log file.
basically, 1-pass means constant-bitrate encoding (every scene has the same bitrate), while 2-pass means variable-bitrate encoding (faster scenes get more bitrate, slow scenes get low bitrate). 2-pass has better compression/quality ratio, but it takes 2x more time and sometimes (rarely, but it happens) can give you unwanted results.
Quote from: Lopes on January 21, 2008, 03:07:05 PM
uncompressed sound means wav format (40-60MB/song).
yes but what quality u use and in what quality u encoding ... in wmv format is better sound like in avi ... but in avi is better quality ... graphic ... but evrithing is about options and optimize ...40 - 60 mb its 192 kbs ... quality i think .. if u use etc... 5 songs
well, all know that liza and lopes movies > all
could we have some movie edited/produced by lopes and liza?
would be a GOOD movie :D
imagine, Lopes & Liza Movies!
:)
Quote from: Akon on January 21, 2008, 04:49:46 PM
well, all know that liza and lopes movies > all
could we have some movie edited/produced by lopes and liza?
would be a GOOD movie :D
imagine, Lopes & Liza Movies!
:)
I never stood far away from them :p
BTW Lopes, you didn't answer me xD
Umm yea the compression sucks :P
But the song was good ^^
@akon we already spoke about that. we would face some technical difficulties, but there is a possibility that we will team up for a movie. liza already started frapsing widescreen to match with me.
@liza i render mute movies and separate wav audio (which i later compress with LAME to 128 or 192 kbps depending on the source mp3s and mix together with the movie). this allows me to make some minor corrections to audio even after the movie is complete. very few ppl know that my first giran siege movie had 2 versions, 1st with 56 kbps sound and 2nd with remastered 192 kbps sound.
@potosi whatever you drag into vegas becomes a part of the project and will come out depending on your settings. so yes, if you arent careful enough, its very well possible that your video will be compressed, but audio will come out as uncompressed wav. that however doesnt mean that you can improve the quality, only increase the filesize. thats also a reason why theres no point in using 192 kbps for example, if your source mp3s were 128 kbps.
@cyb those screw ups ive mentioned earlier when rendering 2-pass, i had mainly the pre-made graphics in mind. they are rather static on screen, so they dont get as much bitrate. as an example, the infinity 90210 server logo im using at the very beginning - with 1-pass the fade between the shades of gray is fluent, while with 2-pass it looks like 8-bit. and as i said, it doesnt make as much positive difference, but it does take almost 2x longer to render. and im rather impatient person. :)
if anybody is interested in comparsion between 1-pass and 2-pass encoding of a L2 movie, first RedOrDead and the first giran siege are encoded 2-pass, the rest of my movies are encoded 1-pass only.
whoah whatta long post. now tecia will come and flame me that i dont know anything about rendering movies. :)
Quote from: Lopes on January 21, 2008, 06:10:25 PM
@akon we already spoke about that. we would face some technical difficulties, but there is a possibility that we will team up for a movie. liza already started frapsing widescreen to match with me.
so guys i have to talk with you ;>
Quote from: Lopes on January 21, 2008, 06:10:25 PM
@akon we already spoke about that. we would face some technical difficulties, but there is a possibility that we will team up for a movie. liza already started frapsing widescreen to match with me.
@liza i render mute movies and separate wav audio (which i later compress with LAME to 128 or 192 kbps depending on the source mp3s and mix together with the movie). this allows me to make some minor corrections to audio even after the movie is complete. very few ppl know that my first giran siege movie had 2 versions, 1st with 56 kbps sound and 2nd with remastered 192 kbps sound.
@potosi whatever you drag into vegas becomes a part of the project and will come out depending on your settings. so yes, if you arent careful enough, its very well possible that your video will be compressed, but audio will come out as uncompressed wav. that however doesnt mean that you can improve the quality, only increase the filesize. thats also a reason why theres no point in using 192 kbps for example, if your source mp3s were 128 kbps.
@cyb those screw ups ive mentioned earlier when rendering 2-pass, i had mainly the pre-made graphics in mind. they are rather static on screen, so they dont get as much bitrate. as an example, the infinity 90210 server logo im using at the very beginning - with 1-pass the fade between the shades of gray is fluent, while with 2-pass it looks like 8-bit. and as i said, it doesnt make as much positive difference, but it does take almost 2x longer to render. and im rather impatient person. :)
if anybody is interested in comparsion between 1-pass and 2-pass encoding of a L2 movie, first RedOrDead and the first giran siege are encoded 2-pass, the rest of my movies are encoded 1-pass only.
whoah whatta long post. now tecia will come and flame me that i dont know anything about rendering movies. :)
Could you post some screens about the audio compression in vegas (or with lame, that lovely goldwave)
Quote from: Lopes on January 21, 2008, 06:10:25 PM
@akon we already spoke about that. we would face some technical difficulties, but there is a possibility that we will team up for a movie. liza already started frapsing widescreen to match with me.
i cant w8!! :)
as i already wrote i dont compress audio in vegas. vegas (for god knows what reason) supports mp3 only up to 56 kbps. also it doesnt like LAME codec. im using virtualdub for compressing audio and for mixing it with mute video file.
Quote from: Lopes on January 21, 2008, 07:00:00 PM
as i already wrote i dont compress audio in vegas. vegas (for god knows what reason) supports mp3 only up to 56 kbps. also it doesnt like LAME codec. im using virtualdub for compressing audio and for mixing it with mute video file.
Ehm, ok, thanks for the explanation xD
Ehm, you are not using X vid codec ;p
Quote from: Kikolina on January 21, 2008, 07:23:49 PM
i still dont get that render sh1t with quality..
ill post what i do and how the graphic comes out, then u tell me what i do wrong^^ cos i cant follow what u say^^
here is bad version after render:
http://files.filefront.com/bad+versionrar/;9479462;/fileinfo.html
+ options:
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2899/proof1vs7.png)
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3600/proof2vv3.png)
this is directly from fraps, no editing..
http://files.filefront.com/nice+versionrar/;9479620;/fileinfo.html
lopes plz take a look
:) i post tomorrow how i make videos in my quality ... full plan ...of rendering
Some screenzors about my rendering sh1ts:
(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5530/edicionxo5.jpg)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3910/edicion2uh3.jpg)
I dont touch sound coz I dunno how in vegas xD
The movie is not rendered on those options, quaility is lie at 3.0 or 2.5 there
Quote from: Kikolina on January 21, 2008, 09:15:27 PM
where i choose it ? >.<
First u gotta download and install the codec, after, watch the screens I posted, where u choose Mpeg, choose Xvid instead
potosi click on that target quantizer button, or on calc, i dont remember. you need to be able to see kbps meter instead of this (maximum quality)<-->(smallest file) shit. then, use 2500kbps (or even less).
kiko im not used to mpeg, i render avi. but your screen shows some hints. 1st - i doubt you make 720x480 movies. change it to match your resolution. also, i advised you to fraps 25 fps. if you took my advice, change framerate to 25.000 in vegas also (you are using 29.970 right now). if you are frapsing 29.970, then your vegas setting is ok (but its decreasing visual quality a little, since youre using CBR). last, but not least, both you and potosi need to change pixel aspect ratio to 1.0000 (currently you are using 0.8889 and potosi 0.9091).
Quote from: Lopes on January 22, 2008, 03:19:41 PM
potosi click on that target quantizer button, or on calc, i dont remember. you need to be able to see kbps meter instead of this (maximum quality)<-->(smallest file) shit. then, use 2500kbps (or even less).
kiko im not used to mpeg, i render avi. but your screen shows some hints. 1st - i doubt you make 720x480 movies. change it to match your resolution. also, i advised you to fraps 25 fps. if you took my advice, change framerate to 25.000 in vegas also (you are using 29.970 right now). if you are frapsing 29.970, then your vegas setting is ok (but its decreasing visual quality a little, since youre using CBR). last, but not least, both you and potosi need to change pixel aspect ratio to 1.0000 (currently you are using 0.8889 and potosi 0.9091).
Ehm, Ill post later some movie done at 2500 bit rate.. I changed it because quaility sucks (at least for me). Would be cool if u explain me how to do that sound compression xD
Quote from: Kikolina on January 22, 2008, 05:50:42 PM
i take all the instructions and still something bothers me:
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2127/proof3dc7.png)
i can find 1280x1024 >.< ...
and the graphic on 1280x7xx was still crap :(
also where i download or get AVI , the one u're using?
Instead finding some defined project, make you own in rendering settings!
i rly had no idea that make movies was all this BIG work!
:O
more and more respect to movie makers hehe
1 step click on render button then choise format wmv - and use 5 mbs option
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vegas1hi9.jpg
2 step click and change to best quality
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vegas2ln6.jpg
3 step
sound u choise what quality u want ..... i use 192 kbs 44 stereo
4 step
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vegas4ks9.jpg
so here we can see format of video resolution most inmportant is in what resolution u fraps in game i play on 1280 x 800 so best option is for me put this resolution for max quality ...its better if u still give resolution from game (the same in vegas)!.
5 step
http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vegas5du5.jpg
pixel aspect ratio 1 ... and fps 25 other things change like on picture..
6 step
http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vegas6cc1.jpg
at the end u choise no 5 but 3 mbs its deapend on the quality movie if u choise lover u will have lower quality but size will be lover ..
have funn and gl with rendering ...
made a chaeck with new lope ssettings ( 2500 kb 1 pixel aspect ratio and 1280 x 1024) 4 secs movie without song = 2,42 mb, that means 1 min = 60 mb, smth must be wrong here
Ye liza got good quality but too much mbs, like me xd
Quote from: PoToSi on January 22, 2008, 06:25:18 PM
Ye liza got good quality but too much mbs, like me xd
1 min = 20mb and its deapends what effects u use
Quote from: Lizadriell on January 22, 2008, 06:25:53 PM
1 min = 20mb and its deapends what effects u use
Like Lopes told me once, movie doesnt look at the quantity of effects you got, just lengh, quality and resolution.
Gotta try out ur configs
(btw first pic doesnt work)
this link work normal but u need wait a litle longer ...
Quote from: Lizadriell on January 22, 2008, 06:31:53 PM
this link work normal but u need wait a litle longer ...
it gives me the error "the server is down" or smth like that, doesnt care, error.
My vegas is different to yours and I cant find that wmv compressor xaoxao xD
Quote from: PoToSi on January 22, 2008, 06:33:24 PM
it gives me the error "the server is down" or smth like that, doesnt care, error.
My vegas is different to yours and I cant find that wmv compressor xaoxao xD
i use vegas 7 version .... if u down have codec try download codec ... ... but i think when u intal vegas u have codec wmv
in options what codec u can choise ... first link is choise wmv format .. 5 mbs
wtb source for wmv codecs, btw we can talk in msn to avoid spam xD
Im not going to make a new topic so I'll ask here :P
I got a strange problem that I didn't have before. When I ass some song to a movie in Vegas 7, and i want to watch the movie in Vegas (i mean the preview window) then the music is slowed down and very laggy. But when i render the movie then everything is ok. But its kinda anoying thatits so laggy when i want to preview it. I never had problem like this. Any solution?
EDIT: Ok nvm, problem fixed xD
Founded the damn codec, trying out Liza settings.