About Subclass

[GestapoPolizei]

Just to sum up some facts:

-Golkonda amounts have never been easier in quantitative amount 5 of them with very short spawn ( + they drop 2 of them)
-1 horn at toi
-horn on market sold for 25-30dc (* x16kk lets say thats ~416kk!!)
-premium horn on donny? Why not? You support server and keep it alive and since you are casual player you sub fast!
-goe ? Go make some real pvp, invite your enemy practice pvping

So to sum up, there is plenty of ways to sub, in the past we had 3 on whole server and x3 players and WE NEVER HAD COMPLAINS like this. Organise and gather for pvp, you can even see EXACT time of spawning. Or farm those 416kk or donate or go pvp.

Really TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY OPTIONS.


X5 quest golks
X1 toi golk
X1 golk goe optiom
X1 market!
X1 Donny

+1
Stop cry guys and play

[Chicks]

Just to sum up some facts:

-Golkonda amounts have never been easier in quantitative amount 5 of them with very short spawn ( + they drop 2 of them)
-1 horn at toi
-horn on market sold for 25-30dc (* x16kk lets say thats ~416kk!!)
-premium horn on donny? Why not? You support server and keep it alive and since you are casual player you sub fast!
-goe ? Go make some real pvp, invite your enemy practice pvping

So to sum up, there is plenty of ways to sub, in the past we had 3 on whole server and x3 players and WE NEVER HAD COMPLAINS like this. Organise and gather for pvp, you can even see EXACT time of spawning. Or farm those 416kk or donate or go pvp.

Really TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY OPTIONS.


X5 quest golks
X1 toi golk
X1 golk goe optiom
X1 market!
X1 Donny

In the past, those who where playing where younger, mostly without jobs. Now people work or are finishing school. Some even have familly, try to stay in shape ect. People now play out of nostalgia and for fun more than for grinding stuff like before. Thing is, a sub is a must in such a server, as you need it to be even remotely competitive. The past dynamic is not relevent in any way to how it is now due to the new demographic who play the game.

I am forced to go with donation or to make rerolls to grind/try to drop horn as a tk cannot, with any of these choices, get a horn if he's not extremely lucky. Not that I cry about it, but I felt like it's worth noting that to me, the whole logic of the server is flawed. It seems that low rates are nice when RP comes in, with bounding with new people and shit. Yet the dynamic of subbing is revolving around fighting people or rb (High dps mainly, with a party, or not) and grinding only (Spoilers and high dps again, with a party or not, but mostly not). And with the possibility to have 1 bot, there is no bounding anymore outside a clan. This all feel very counter productive to me.

[=drake=]

You forgot that the horn is given to the party and not to the last hitter dps player.
If you are purely support class and your party manages to land the last hit: you have same chances as the dps guy in your party.

With last changes now is even higher the chances to get the horn if you are never subclassed.

[remeron]

Nope. Number of players define a good server. But if the majority is retarded, the server cannot be good.

When the majority thinks, that playing 1-2h/day should give you everything that players with 8+ hours/day playtime can farm out, then the majority definitely have mental problems. Where do you run the same distance in 5 minutes, while your opponents are running the same distance in 1 hour?

Staying at the running example:
-Will you be kinda behind if you have less time? Of course, depends how intensive you run in that 5 minutes.
-You still could enjoy running? Of course.
-You do not enjoy running, only doing it to keep your shape? QUIT and FIND OTHER SPORT!

thus spoke zarathustra

[remeron]

In the past, those who where playing where younger, mostly without jobs. Now people work or are finishing school. Some even have familly, try to stay in shape ect. People now play out of nostalgia and for fun more than for grinding stuff like before. Thing is, a sub is a must in such a server, as you need it to be even remotely competitive. The past dynamic is not relevent in any way to how it is now due to the new demographic who play the game.

I am forced to go with donation or to make rerolls to grind/try to drop horn as a tk cannot, with any of these choices, get a horn if he's not extremely lucky. Not that I cry about it, but I felt like it's worth noting that to me, the whole logic of the server is flawed. It seems that low rates are nice when RP comes in, with bounding with new people and shit. Yet the dynamic of subbing is revolving around fighting people or rb (High dps mainly, with a party, or not) and grinding only (Spoilers and high dps again, with a party or not, but mostly not). And with the possibility to have 1 bot, there is no bounding anymore outside a clan. This all feel very counter productive to me.

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[YuftyGF]

So at the end, thats the only argument you got for changes u want? Seriously? Please I'm much older than few years ago and I can't spend so much time, like it was X years ago so make it easier for me?.

I guess most of you guys should know that we are all much more older than 7 years ago and still S.hitload of ppl already managed to get it in their way.

Are u still here ruining a good subject for discussion?Why?Tell me how many horns u already have used and how many u have traded.Are you a member of a clan?Is it a good clan?Tell me the average time u spend for l2 nd the average ppl in your pt.
I will tell you mine.I play here for 4 weeks.Average 2 hrs per day.I just joined a clan who have some subbed but the most are 60-70 lvl.I dont care bout Baium atm.Most of the ppl try to sub and then do noblesse.If i reach this far and have the same problems i have with Horn I WILL do a topic highlighting the issues ppl like me have.None cried,none begged but your sayings make us beggars and QQers.No1 can judge me from the way i participate on a game.
Oh last question:Have u donated already?Your clan had maybe?

[loXol]

we have some old guy from dragon or nightmare etc; u say they have now jobs, family etc so they cant farm like old memories; but they could donate because they have a jobs....

and the young guys could farm,

so i think its fair....

[remeron]

we have some old guy from dragon or nightmare etc; u say they have now jobs, family etc so they cant farm like old memories; but they could donate because they have a jobs....

and the young guys could farm,

so i think its fair....

so where did all these ppl go?

[Csenky]

Are u still here ruining a good subject for discussion?Why?Tell me how many horns u already have used and how many u have traded.Are you a member of a clan?Is it a good clan?Tell me the average time u spend for l2 nd the average ppl in your pt.
I will tell you mine.I play here for 4 weeks.Average 2 hrs per day.I just joined a clan who have some subbed but the most are 60-70 lvl.I dont care bout Baium atm.Most of the ppl try to sub and then do noblesse.If i reach this far and have the same problems i have with Horn I WILL do a topic highlighting the issues ppl like me have.None cried,none begged but your sayings make us beggars and QQers.No1 can judge me from the way i participate on a game.
Oh last question:Have u donated already?Your clan had maybe?

I basically agree with Garro, so here it is:
I'm in an rather small clan, we started well but the majority left us instead of helping the "slower" guys.
I have played like 6-8 hours a day until last week, now I work like 2-5 days a week, it's varying, so I have only 1-3 hours on those days.
I have used 1 horn which I got on quest golka, I'm trying to get one for my retail sub as well (been there like ~15 times with retail sub, no horn yet). I haven't donated yet, since I just found a job, but I will after my first payment, and I need moar party masks.

Asking to make the games easier is what the gaming communities define as 'crying'.
If the game is easier, the gap between casuals and farmers still will be there.

You guys are complaining so much about how you grew up and you are adults now, why don't you ACT LIKE IT then? You can't ask for the same thing for 2h/day while others are playing 8h for it. Just... Wtf, I'm out, you have no real points in you arguments.

[YuftyGF]

I basically agree with Garro, so here it is:
I'm in an rather small clan, we started well but the majority left us instead of helping the "slower" guys.
I have played like 6-8 hours a day until last week, now I work like 2-5 days a week, it's varying, so I have only 1-3 hours on those days.
I have used 1 horn which I got on quest golka, I'm trying to get one for my retail sub as well (been there like ~15 times with retail sub, no horn yet). I haven't donated yet, since I just found a job, but I will after my first payment, and I need moar party masks.

Asking to make the games easier is what the gaming communities define as 'crying'.
If the game is easier, the gap between casuals and farmers still will be there.

You guys are complaining so much about how you grew up and you are adults now, why don't you ACT LIKE IT then? You can't ask for the same thing for 2h/day while others are playing 8h for it. Just... Wtf, I'm out, you have no real points in you arguments.

Noone complained....we just issued some things we r having hard times.I myself i'm 61 lvl i didnt try any golka yet but understand the guy who started the topic.I will never donate.The ppl who will donate and reply to this topic saying those guys are crying are just irritating.When u donate and u have everything easy ingame why u opposite to those who wont donate and want to farm everything.Im not sking for anything im suggesting.No matter how much i play i can suggest....thats what grown ups do....

[=^TrackZero^=]

so where did all these ppl go?

Dont get me wrong mate, but people left for some weird reasons. When i asked players why they left, here are the answers i recieved:

- Boring server ! ( Let me remind those people we opened server in end of January , and server is not x99999 rate , so its normal that people farm and that PvP cant be instant )

- Slow EXP ~ shit server ! ( Let me remind those players , we had full poster of rates BEFORE opening , so i guess after 10 years you could do some calculation how it goes and organise before who will do what [CP concept , which i don't personally like at all]. In addition let me remind those players 1 fact , we have rates x30 x15 x5 which is ~x17 in total average , it means even you exp slower in the end you exped EXTREMELY fast on the beginning so you kinda compensate totally everything (x17 mens!)

- No Items for moneh! Even it sound a bit funny , i got more then XX pms about this matter. Hey blabla exp for money , ++++ for money , etc... When those players were rejected answers were following: "No reason to join this shit server","My clan wont join then","QQ GL with this no life server we move to XYZ" etc...

- No walker working ! "Track sorry but we leave , its impossible to EXP here you ban all walkers and we cant use walkers normally NO LIFE SERVER we leave"

- BUGhz BUGhz and BUGZORS ! Okay we arent perfect, and we are trying to be as supportive as possible (which you can clearly see). But when asked : "Im sorry but can you please tell me which bugs?" Answer is usually: " BUGGGGGGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS and after that AFK" , or simply silence . (Drake can confirm this as well). In the end we give our best to fix them in very short notice and majority of them we fix within 24-72h, but some of them require more time in development process (see bug section how fast we support and process any of the requests). Unlike other big servers who just rent the files (which they don't even have access to, which makes me wonder about account security of their players , but thats another story) and basically ignore technical issues players have for weeks. And yet those servers have 80% less complains and spoiled topics on forum then us. In the end , since i suppose that our players want others to join here, how do you think what a new player will think about us when he sees the river of ridiculous complains some of you do here? Join? I dont think so, so +1 for great marketing. Thank you.


Overall, we have created true L2 server. Based on real gameplay and minimum donations as possible and yet enough to be able to pay the bills on long terms and provide you continues gameplay as we did for 10 years now. Unlike others (again) we didn't enable VIP PREMIUM system for %% exp and other benefits, RB jewels,SAFE enchants , Armors, Weapons not even Quests ... If im not wrong , majority of people were saying about DN "QQ DONATE NETWORK" , so without going into details we are far from that and you should appreciate that. In the end , if our priority was money we would never open IL chronicle.
Dont have time to farm? No problem, let farmers farm and you give them some adena or coins for the service or item you may need, im sure they will provide it for you.

Lately, i got feeling that some persons open accounts here on forum and throw trash to benefit something from it or by someones orders. In the end most of those nicks are unknown in game,unfamiliar in game or hidden, so it makes me wonder how can we listen someones "creative" opinion if we don't know his time played here as a consumer?

I hope , you will understand that best marketing for players is not XX sites, but in fact players voice, that im sure is not nice regarding Tara (even i don't understand why * see beginning of the post).


                      We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.

[YuftyGF]

b]Lately, i got feeling that some persons open accounts here on forum and throw trash to benefit something from it or by someones orders. In the end most of those nicks are unknown in game,unfamiliar in game or hidden, so it makes me wonder how can we listen someones "creative" opinion even if we don't know his time played here as a consumer?[/b]

I hope , you will understand that best marketing for players is not XX sites, but in fact players voice, that im sure is not nice regarding Tara (even i don't understand why * see beginning of the post).


                      We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.

U mean that because none knows my name or im not in a famous clan i can't talk?