Archers aren't the only one who are affected by the anti-critical-damage buffs. Dont forget!!
Quote from: thehunted on June 25, 2009, 07:42:10 PM
Archers aren't the only one who are affected by the anti-critical-damage buffs. Dont forget!!
Daggers are already OP in HB and you Cry about taking off the nerfs ?
LOL.
nothing more to add.
Oh actually i have something to add and i will suggest adding x2 dmg reduce additional to the one we had in IL specially for dagger.
Some negative affection on blow landing rate and reduce the lethal strikes with at least 40 %.
Do you ever thought about leaving the server?
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Daggers are already OP in HB and you Cry about taking off the nerfs ?
LOL.
nothing more to add.
Oh actually i have something to add and i will suggest adding x2 dmg reduce additional to the one we had in IL specially for dagger.
Some negative affection on blow landing rate and reduce the lethal strikes with at least 40 %.
You don't play dagger so how the freak you know? By the way, if this is your best shot at pissing me off, you totally failed.
Quote from: thehunted on June 25, 2009, 08:07:08 PM
You don't play dagger so how the freak you know? By the way, if this is your best shot at pissing me off, you totally failed.
No i was totally serious and i'll personally suggest those and many more "FIX" on dagger classes to you know who.
What and insolent person you are to suggest such a thing while you know that they're already OP in HB
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 08:09:18 PM
No i was totally serious and i'll personally suggest those and many more "FIX" on dagger classes to you know who.
Sorry dude but from what i hear you are 'out of credits' :(. /not_impressed
Quote from: thehunted on June 25, 2009, 08:12:30 PM
Sorry dude but from what i hear you are 'out of credits' :(. /not_impressed
Mark said same when i said here on forum and on public that m.criticals will be nerfed in IL and they got nerfed.
Sit and watch.
Anemonia,keep the hard work.Next time Drake should nerf the char u'r playing to the shit some combos r now,then,we'd see how happy u'd be.
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 25, 2009, 08:41:43 PM
Anemonia,keep the hard work.Next time Drake should nerf the char u'r playing to the shit some combos r now,then,we'd see how happy u'd be.
Cancel got nerfed in c4 so yea i'm nerfed.
I played archer for a while and archers got nerfed as well so yea i'm nerfed again xD
I play spoiler and spoil rate is x1 and yeas one more nerf !
need more ?
cancel was fixed,not nerfed ;)
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 08:45:46 PM
Cancel got nerfed in c4 so yea i'm nerfed.
I played archer for a while and archers got nerfed as well so yea i'm nerfed again xD
I play spoiler and spoil rate is x1 and yeas one more nerf !
need more ?
Cancel was too op and there's no point to talk'bout it
So try a dagger,COP reduces dmg,and it's already nerfed.Or GL,the most nerfed char here.
There's no point to nerf daggers,neither other classes(Like Archer/WL),but resist buffs.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 08:14:17 PM
Mark said same when i said here on forum and on public that m.criticals will be nerfed in IL and they got nerfed.
Sit and watch.
LoL....you discovered the hot water
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 25, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
Cancel was too op and there's no point to talk'bout it
So try a dagger,COP reduces dmg,and it's already nerfed.Or GL,the most nerfed char here.
There's no point to nerf daggers,neither other classes(Like Archer/WL),but resist buffs.
The dagger got more nerfs than archer then'? at least there isn't any song/dance against blow :P ( not for now..)
Dragon-network its a Archers community
Quote from: Socha on June 25, 2009, 09:09:52 PM
Dragon-network its a Archers community
You mean Archer-Network ? :D
DN is a Buff-dependant communty...oh no..that's only L2.
Quote from: Dadghamor on June 25, 2009, 09:14:51 PM
DN is a Buff-dependant communty...oh no..that's only L2.
When you have nothing to say you better shut up in your case never post even if you have something to say.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 09:17:01 PM
When you have nothing to say you better shut up in your case never post even if you have something to say.
wellcome in the dragon-community friendly community ^^
Quote from: Socha on June 25, 2009, 09:09:52 PM
Dragon-network its a Archers community
I'd rather say a noob community,and that goes for u and all those mofos from Dragon.
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 25, 2009, 09:50:10 PM
I'd rather say a noob community,and that goes for u and all those mofos from Dragon.
And there is a rule: if u play on dragon u are noob?
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 09:17:01 PM
When you have nothing to say you better shut up in your case never post even if you have something to say.
Since when spammers are so hunted V_V
(http://www.forumspile.com/Thread-I_like_where_this_thread_is_going.jpg)
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 25, 2009, 09:50:10 PM
I'd rather say a noob community,and that goes for u and all those mofos from Dragon.
Nm pro's dont even know how to buff so gl 8).
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 08:09:18 PM
No i was totally serious and i'll personally suggest those and many more "FIX" on dagger classes to you know who.
What and insolent person you are to suggest such a thing while you know that they're already OP in HB
omfg.... u really should play a dagger before talking about them... try to kill a mage when dmg of aw(the one with more crit dmg) with as+cd to a MAGE in DC ROBE is around 1k-3k (depend on buff) hehehe kill a bp is almost imposible w/o lethal. La ignorancia es el regalo mas divino.
MORON.
Quote from: benonslyp on June 25, 2009, 10:54:32 PM
omfg.... u really should play a dagger before talking about them... try to kill a mage when dmg of aw(the one with more crit dmg) with as+cd to a MAGE in DC ROBE is around 1k-3k (depend on buff) hehehe kill a bp is almost imposible w/o lethal. La ignorancia es el regalo mas divino.
MORON.
Me to play dagger ?
I was watching 3 days oly and daggers was killing all the chars.
This is enough.
Instead of nerfing support chars like BP/WC bcoz some imbecile decided to make WC/Archer someone have to look at Daggers and other OP chars on HB.
P.S. Even on Retail server Daggers was OP in HB so don't talk Crap and STFU already.
Да те ебат шуменските мангали заедно с майка ти смотан пропаднал италиянец.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
Me to play dagger ?
I was watching 3 days oly and daggers was killing all the chars.
This is enough.
Instead of nerfing support chars like BP/WC bcoz some imbecile decided to make WC/Archer someone have to look at Daggers and other OP chars on HB.
P.S. Even on Retail server Daggers was OP in HB so don't talk Crap and STFU already.
Да те ебат шуменските мангали заедно с майка ти смотан пропаднал италиянец.
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
is not so hard to understand even to a retard like u...
Quote from: benonslyp on June 25, 2009, 11:04:43 PM
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
is not so hard to understand even to a retard like u...
This is l2 which is the same game used in retail IDIOT.
And here and there the gameplay and the char are same when they're played by skilled ppl.
THe only difference is that we got stacking sub+sh1tz like Tattos which leads us to those NERFs you MORON but when you know how to play your char you can handle strong opponents but you can't handle something that has almost NO RESIST LIKE LETHAL STRIKE !
Don't even replay to anymore since you're wasting my time.
P.S. Learn to use proper buffs against mages next time you imbecile.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 11:07:16 PM
This is l2 which is the same game used in retail IDIOT.
And here and there the gameplay and the char are same when they're played by skilled ppl.
Don't even replay to anymore since you're wasting my time.
P.S. Learn to use proper buffs against mages next time you imbecile.
Finally you are right about something this is a waste of time, keep comparing gameplay of retail with DN hehehe well i cant ask too much to someone that plays only f1 and f2 pjs. and about ur "P.S." I ve pp-sws, se-bd and wc-wk so im very well buffed my little tard :-*
Quote from: benonslyp on June 25, 2009, 11:12:58 PM
Finally you are right about something this is a waste of time, keep comparing gameplay of retail with DN hehehe well i cant ask too much to someone that plays only f1 and f2 pjs. and about ur "P.S." I ve pp-sws, se-bd and wc-wk so im very well buffed my little tard :-*
Said a person who cry about mages killing him easy.
gg buffbot you're pro.
QQ more.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 11:15:01 PM
Said a person who cry about mages killing him easy.
gg buffbot you're pro.
QQ more.
n/c u win ;D u know well what you are talking about and no one should try to say otherwise!! hehehe hf im out 8)
Quote from: stanko on June 25, 2009, 09:53:46 PM
And there is a rule: if u play on dragon u are noob?
No,"all those" don't mean whole Dragon.
Quote from: Socha on June 25, 2009, 10:05:17 PM
Nm pro's dont even know how to buff so gl 8).
Everybody from Dragon who came here failed,just few still play in NM.
Anyway,we don't need to prove anything,u just need to have a look at Dragon forum to see it by urself.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Daggers are already OP in HB and you Cry about taking off the nerfs ?
LOL.
nothing more to add.
Oh actually i have something to add and i will suggest adding x2 dmg reduce additional to the one we had in IL specially for dagger.
Some negative affection on blow landing rate and reduce the lethal strikes with at least 40 %.
imo the landing rate is too high (30% is welll enougth...) but damage is a lil low...
you're both right "retards"
- dagger is too strong in oly (especially th=>crit strike=>lethal nearly garanteed every few stabs)
- dagger isnt that strong outside of oly ( more range, full buffed ppl can afford killing daggers before they come around with crit strike+lethal)
every "good" player knows that lethal should be either reduce, either effect changed (put target to 25% hp e.g.) and normal blows slightly boosted. (or chant of protection effect lowered)
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 08:45:46 PM
Cancel got nerfed in c4 so yea i'm nerfed.
I played archer for a while and archers got nerfed as well so yea i'm nerfed again xD
I play spoiler and spoil rate is x1 and yeas one more nerf !
need more ?
yes, I read the whole thread, but most of it was flaming bs, and this is the one I wanted to reply to.
1: since you play spoiler and so know how bad it is, could you remind Track that we were SUPPOSED to be working on it?
2: please don't suggest nerfs on daggers, I could care less how they play in pvp, but I need my skills for pve :P
3: have a nice day everybody ;D
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
Me to play dagger ?
I was watching 3 days oly and daggers was killing all the chars.
This is enough.
Instead of nerfing support chars like BP/WC bcoz some imbecile decided to make WC/Archer someone have to look at Daggers and other OP chars on HB.
P.S. Even on Retail server Daggers was OP in HB so don't talk Crap and STFU already.
Да те ебат шуменските мангали заедно с майка ти смотан пропаднал италиянец.
-we don't play on retail, neither on full HB
-like some said before: lethal rate is too high, but dmg isn't incredible. After watching few movies from retail servers I thought damage will be bigger (for about ~1k) than now
-imo before nerfing actually working skills they should fix not-working ones first (shield of revenge, counter attack etc.)
6/26/2009 4:54:28 PM ~Drake αηємσηια lol
6/26/2009 4:54:29 PM ~Drake αηємσηια ok
6/26/2009 4:54:30 PM ~Drake αηємσηια i have to go out, later
6/26/2009 4:54:41 PM ~Drake αηємσηια lethals are kinda heavy now, they will be lowered a bit
Have Fun.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 26, 2009, 05:18:21 PM
6/26/2009 4:54:28 PM ~Drake αηємσηια lol
6/26/2009 4:54:29 PM ~Drake αηємσηια ok
6/26/2009 4:54:30 PM ~Drake αηємσηια i have to go out, later
6/26/2009 4:54:41 PM ~Drake αηємσηια lethals are kinda heavy now, they will be lowered a bit
Have Fun.
in case you missed it ... ... ...
Quote from: ChillyWilly on June 26, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
yes, I read the whole thread, but most of it was flaming bs, and this is the one I wanted to reply to.
1: since you play spoiler and so know how bad it is, could you remind Track that we were SUPPOSED to be working on it?
2: please don't suggest nerfs on daggers, I could care less how they play in pvp, but I need my skills for pve :P
3: have a nice day everybody ;D
Quote from: HelloWorlds on June 26, 2009, 01:53:22 PM
you're both right "retards"
- dagger is too strong in oly (especially th=>crit strike=>lethal nearly garanteed every few stabs)
- dagger isnt that strong outside of oly ( more range, full buffed ppl can afford killing daggers before they come around with crit strike+lethal)
every "good" player knows that lethal should be either reduce, either effect changed (put target to 25% hp e.g.) and normal blows slightly boosted. (or chant of protection effect lowered)
wooow didn`t you know that th is not the only one dagger??(i think you didn`t
Quote from: CorruptedBrain on June 26, 2009, 05:40:36 PM
yes, put off tongle from ass, its can stuck there forever ;D
Ladies first.
So Show me.
Quote from: CorruptedBrain on June 26, 2009, 05:40:36 PM
yes, put off tongle from ass, its can stuck there forever ;D
what or who is a tongle?
does anyone care where this mysterious thing's can is stuck?
oops, did your google translator mess up again?
(all in fun, of course... ;D ;D)
plainswalker sucks ballz...
PW without lethal strike could be killed easy by PAL ;D
Quote from: freezoid1 on June 26, 2009, 06:15:38 PM
plainswalker sucks ballz...
PW without lethal strike could be killed easy by PAL ;D
and why should a dagger be able to beat a tank? -_-
give archer insane lethal rate too, so they'll rape tankers as well!
Quote from: CorruptedBrain on June 26, 2009, 06:45:34 PM
show to u ass? no ty dont need lick mode there ;D
keep QQ Mark.
Nothing else you can do.
Sadly it will happen as i say in future so get use to it.
Simply i don't try to change the game for my own profit like you do.
You can go and try selling cheaper coins than Drake in Ukraine now.
Quote from: benonslyp on June 25, 2009, 11:04:43 PM
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
THIS IS NOT RETAIL IDIOT
is not so hard to understand even to a retard like u...
this is not retail-like, this is why there are 3 shops in giran and why the networkhas a shitty reputation.
anemonia your a cokcsucker and a fag and you know it. just like mark said your ego is so bloated that you made a freaking ego topic hoping that everyone will say "anemonia is the most awesomeeessstt!!". and when someone says something against you, you go on crying like a freaking six year old "i will tell on you! you meanie!". well feel free to post you moaning, bitching and ass licking in a spam section or something.
Quote from: Atta on June 26, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
anemonia your a cokcsucker and a fag and you know it. just like mark said your ego is so bloated that you made a freaking ego topic hoping that everyone will say "anemonia is the most awesomeeessstt!!". and when someone says something against you, you go on crying like a freaking six year old "i will tell on you! you meanie!". well feel free to post you moaning, bitching and ass licking in a spam section or something.
QQ and keep ya cryin' !
+1 for anemonia.
Don't know him personnally, but I just can see what he does for server, and it's ok
More ppl like anemonia would mean a better network.
no licking, here, just a fact.
Quote from: thehunted on June 25, 2009, 08:07:08 PM
You don't play dagger so how the freak you know? By the way, if this is your best shot at pissing me off, you totally failed.
i just read first five posts and I won't agree with u. Daggers are very strong now, and yes I have a dagger. I am playing SK/AW for about a year. We don't need any boost, if u know your char u can pwn
so you don't know how to play it :)
Quote from: Anemonia on June 25, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
Me to play dagger ?
I was watching 3 days oly and daggers was killing all the chars.
This is enough.
Instead of nerfing support chars like BP/WC bcoz some imbecile decided to make WC/Archer someone have to look at Daggers and other OP chars on HB.
P.S. Even on Retail server Daggers was OP in HB so don't talk Crap and STFU already.
Да те ебат шуменските мангали заедно с майка ти смотан пропаднал италиянец.
I dont blame you for your ignorance, daggers in DN are really different from retail afterall.
The difference in stabpower here and in retail is mostly the result of a difference in economy's. After all in retail you can't get ++ weapons and s(80/82) armors that easily. As all probably know in DN getting a high grade dagger barely has effect on ones stabpower. Meaning after reaching level 74 our stabs wont increase anymore by getting better equip (excl. baium ring), while others can lower the recieved damage by getting S, S80 or even S82 armor sets. On retail this isn't too much of a problem since it's very hard to get this kind of equipment. On DN though this is a completely other story.
Conclusion:
Are daggers strong?
Avarage dagger vs Avarage player: YES
Maxed out dagger vs Maxed out player: NO
And i guess we can all agree that most of the players in DN or at least in Dragon 15x are maxed out.
Quote from: thehunted on June 28, 2009, 11:58:10 AM
I dont blame you for your ignorance, daggers in DN are really different from retail afterall.
The difference in stabpower here and in retail is mostly the result of a difference in economy's. After all in retail you can't get ++ weapons and s(80/82) armors that easily. As all probably know in DN getting a high grade dagger barely has effect on ones stabpower. Meaning after reaching level 74 our stabs wont increase anymore by getting better equip (excl. baium ring), while others can lower the recieved damage by getting S, S80 or even S82 armor sets. On retail this isn't too much of a problem since it's very hard to get this kind of equipment. On DN though this is a completely other story.
Conclusion:
Are daggers strong?
Avarage dagger vs Avarage player: YES
Maxed out dagger vs Maxed out player: NO
And i guess we can all agree that most of the players in DN or at least in Dragon 15x are maxed out.
I highly suggest you to reroll and quit crying since daggers will change only on a bad way.
P.S. As much as you whine here as much as daggers will go weaker.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 01:06:58 PM
I highly suggest you to reroll and quit crying since daggers will change only on a bad way.
P.S. As much as you whine here as much as daggers will go weaker.
and threatening other players to destroy everything they worked for is also awesome. you really fit nicely into drake's corrupted anus
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 01:06:58 PM
I highly suggest you to reroll and quit crying since daggers will change only on a bad way.
P.S. As much as you whine here as much as daggers will go weaker.
Haha, and you think Andreas will even bother changing anything for your personal entertainment? What a joke you are..
Quote from: thehunted on June 28, 2009, 02:41:09 PM
Haha, and you think Andreas will even bother changing anything for your personal entertainment? What a joke you are..
My personal Entertainment is called - The right way.
Since ppl like you or mark or anyone else who cry for their own profit exists i will be here to be sure that they wont lead Dragon-Network to Cartoon-Network.
P.S. Since i know Andrea he did all the things i said to him so like it or not he will do rest since they have to be done not bcoz i want but bcoz they're like this.
My work here can only be delayed a bit like Mark and Elia did with m.criticals in IL but 1 month later they got nerfed not bcoz i said but bcoz everyone cryed on forum about them but still 1 month after i said this lol.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 02:46:37 PM
My personal Entertainment is called - The right way.
Since ppl like you or mark or anyone else who cry for their own profit exists i will be here to be sure that they wont lead Dragon-Network to Cartoon-Network.
P.S. Since i know Andrea he did all the things i said to him so like it or not he will do rest since they have to be done not bcoz i want but bcoz they're like this.
My work here can only be delayed a bit like Mark and Elia did with m.criticals in IL but 1 month later they got nerfed not bcoz i said but bcoz everyone cryed on forum about them but still 1 month after i said this lol.
You don't even know the right way lol.. How the freak could you, you never read my posts and you never read SERIOUSLY read any dagger ealuations made by any experienced dagger player. Truth is you are just a little hating bitch who is always whining to his/her/it's daddy to get some icecream and you don't even realize how pathetic you are.
Besides you dumbfreak, ever heard of a trade-off? 99% of the daggers here is not asking for an increase of power but for exchanging lethal strike rate for extra blowpower.. But i guess you are just too damn stupid to understand this. And don't forget, you are not the only one with good friends...
OK, I was avoiding to comment Anemonia's comments, but as I read in this topic you know shiit about daggers and you have the most to tell about this class... just no comment
We already spoke alot about lethals in NM section... instead of talking bullshit go and read some...
Quote from: zthrx on June 28, 2009, 03:25:32 PM
OK, I was avoiding to comment Anemonia's comments, but as I read in this topic you know shiit about daggers and you have the most to tell about this class... just no comment
We already spoke alot about lethals in NM section... instead of talking bullshit go and read some...
I can truly tell you that i know more than anyone here about the l2 gameplay itself.
But just bcoz you and critias plays dagger don't give you the damn right to cry about more power for daggers which are OKEY except that they need a lethal NERF.
That's all by me keep ya singing the damn "SAME - WE'RE WEAK SONG" and see ya after few months when everyone here will be telling you same.
P.S. And yes i played dagger in the past and now just to test out the things - NERF is a must for their lethal and don't need blows to be boosted since will disbalance the game and this will require boosting of other things that will give resist to their blows.. but you don't care about this.
Don't you see that with every boost there is an additional boost for other things which disbalance the game more.
Since i face all the same comments which wont change the incoming dagger nerf you can keep crying but i'm bored to tell you same things every post so i will simply stop posting in this topic which is already decided.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
I can truly tell you that i know more than anyone here about the l2 gameplay itself.
Hah, good one, you sure about that :D?
Quote from: Furesy on June 28, 2009, 04:48:20 PM
Hah, good one, you sure about that :D?
My EGO > Whole universe :D
P.S. I'm bored if NM n00bs who cry 24/7 and bcoz of them the whole network got nerfs or "FIXES". (which will make me ask Drake to separate the updates for servers - if they wanna play CS with Water Guns its okey but we in Dragon will play hardcore l2)
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
I can truly tell you that i know more than anyone here about the l2 gameplay itself.
But just bcoz you and critias plays dagger don't give you the damn right to cry about more power for daggers which are OKEY except that they need a lethal NERF.
That's all by me keep ya singing the damn "SAME - WE'RE WEAK SONG" and see ya after few months when everyone here will be telling you same.
P.S. And yes i played dagger in the past and now just to test out the things - NERF is a must for their lethal and don't need blows to be boosted since will disbalance the game and this will require boosting of other things that will give resist to their blows.. but you don't care about this.
Don't you see that with every nerf there is an additional boost for other things which disbalance the game more.
Since i face all the same comments which wont change the incoming dagger nerf you can keep crying but i'm bored to tell you same things every post so i will simply stop posting in this topic which is already decided.
...
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
I can truly tell you that i know more than anyone here about the l2 gameplay itself.
But just bcoz you and critias plays dagger don't give you the damn right to cry about more power for daggers which are OKEY except that they need a lethal NERF.
That's all by me keep ya singing the damn "SAME - WE'RE WEAK SONG" and see ya after few months when everyone here will be telling you same.
P.S. And yes i played dagger in the past and now just to test out the things - NERF is a must for their lethal and don't need blows to be boosted since will disbalance the game and this will require boosting of other things that will give resist to their blows.. but you don't care about this.
Don't you see that with every boost there is an additional boost for other things which disbalance the game more.
Since i face all the same comments which wont change the incoming dagger nerf you can keep crying but i'm bored to tell you same things every post so i will simply stop posting in this topic which is already decided.
whos talking here about boost blows... you're writing some fairy tales...
there is everything fine with daggers, I can only agree to change lethal effect from 1hp to about 500, or smth like that
if you want to nerf it badly, better delete this skill, or in this case delete mana burn and nerf mage crit
and as I said in one my posts in NM section, for examp lethal at sieges/mass pvp lands thousand times less than M. crits, where you are dead after 2-3 crits, and you have to be lucky to be 100% lethaled...
and ye, I'm dying only from m.crits during the siege/mass, I play my dagger/tank over 4y and you wont tell me anything new and any good reasons to nerf it- just because u got lucky lethaled, but u never says you m. crit some1 badly and mana burn enemy as it was before m.burn nefr. But after some fails it land anyway....
As I saw your conversation with drake, it's said that he listen to QQ ppl, who can't show whole aspect of lethal skill, at pvp, masses, out of town etc. How can you judge the skill, watching lame olympiad where PP class participate only...
Quote from: zthrx on June 28, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
whos talking here about boost blows... you're writing some fairy tales...
there is everything fine with daggers, I can only agree to change lethal effect from 1hp to about 500, or smth like that
if you want to nerf it badly, better delete this skill, or in this case delete mana burn and nerf mage crit
and as I said in one my posts in NM section, for examp lethal at sieges/mass pvp lands thousand times less than M. crits, where you are dead after 2-3 crits, and you have to be lucky to be 100% lethaled...
and ye, I'm dying only from m.crits during the siege/mass, I play my dagger/tank over 4y and you wont tell me anything new and any good reasons to nerf it- just because u got lucky lethaled, but u never says you m. crit some1 badly and mana burn enemy as it was before m.burn nefr. But after some fails it land anyway....
Let me tell you the difference b/e you and me - i played all the chars in l2 those last 4-5 years and i can play most of them good.
Just bcoz you're some butthurt dagger who can't stand a MAGE (which is made to kill most chars in l2 - BLAME NCSOFT) you have no right to whine about BOOST and you're not in position to tell anything at all while you have those lethals.
You're free to ask Drake to make UPDATES separate and have the dagger boost in NM but i don't want it in Dragon.
P.S. I'll be happy if you take critias which you since i'm bored to see him crying every new chronicle about daggers.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 05:05:06 PM
Let me tell you the difference b/e you and me - i'm nolifer and play every class in l2 those last 4-5 years and i can play most of them good.
Just bcoz you're some butthurt dagger who can't stand a MAGE (which is made to kill most chars in l2 - BLAME NCSOFT) you have no right to whine about BOOST and you're not in position to tell anything at all while you have those lethals.
who is this guy?
Guess Furesy,Kid,and ppl with a good L2 knownledge should be Drake's assistant,and not a tard like Anemonia.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 05:05:06 PM
Let me tell you the difference b/e you and me - i played all the chars in l2 those last 4-5 years and i can play most of them good.
Just bcoz you're some butthurt dagger who can't stand a MAGE (which is made to kill most chars in l2 - BLAME NCSOFT) you have no right to whine about BOOST and you're not in position to tell anything at all while you have those lethals.
umm I have alot of chars, but mainly playing my dagger, and the difference between you and me is that you are writing all the time some shiit stories about me crying? and some boosts 0_o woot :D
I'm not buthurt, it's you crying about lucky lethals. You cry about that skills and you hide the m.crit rate, even drake nefred m burn it lands before or after and you are never sure about lethal..
The difference between you and me, I know everything about daggers skills, and I'm the best in playing it. I have alot of chars and I can't play them to be some kind of pwnzor, I gets pleasure from playing my dagger only, so my other mage, orks chars are retired.
In fact the persons who should decide about nefr lethal kill are the dagger users. Players who can write objective opinion, because the only facts here you wrote is just freaking crying, you didn't even compared lethal landing to other similar skills landing.
So i'm not crying here, I don't even need lethal to kill 95% chars in this game. I used to smile when my lethal land. And since I'm dagger/tank I used to be raped at oly, and lethal just helps to get some lost points, which in 75% will be losed in next fights. As I said it's called probability calculation, which isn't working with /pp classes who are goin fight agains unbuffed ppl.
I'm not crying about lethals also, just because as a old used of dagger/tank I know every move and tactic and skills of this char, fullbuffed I easy kills most of chars, so I have no reasons to cry about lethal skill. It's only you crying you got lethaled couple times at oly from all your hundreds won fights, where 90% non PP classes can't reach over 100 points.
My idea to balance oly was add ful buff, pots and mana pots 8), then 80% of server standing in town would go finally play some oly, not only farmes. But that would be unfair coz with this configuration, I would rape 90% those chars I used to kill out of town so....
Quote from: zthrx on June 28, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
In fact the persons who should decide about nefr lethal kill are the dagger users. Players who can write objective opinion, because the only facts here you wrote is just freaking crying, you didn't even compared lethal landing to other similar skills landing.
You're mentally sick :D
So let criminal judge themself in real life as well ? (i'm sure earth will be a better place to live and for our kids)
Most of l2 classes at DN got nerfed bcoz of oly.
Plus i don't even play so i have no need to cry but i'm logging l2 only to test things.
Its like - Drake love to code and I love to test the game mechanics and stuff he did or things that have been reported to be bugged or OverPower due to our difference with retail etc..etc..
P.S. zthrx in Dragon we have -DaggerAllStars- team and watching them on events and pvps give me ideas about how "weak" are daggers everyday not only oly.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 04:48:46 PM
My EGO > Whole universe :D
P.S. I'm bored if NM n00bs who cry 24/7 and bcoz of them the whole network got nerfs or "FIXES". (which will make me ask Drake to separate the updates for servers - if they wanna play CS with Water Guns its okey but we in Dragon will play hardcore l2)
you are so full of yourself. just because you played a dagger ages ago(did lethal exist back then?) you think you know better then real dagger players what kind of update it needs? and you really think drake, who barely moved his ass for 2 and more years will start making 2 separate updates just because of you? keep dreaming
If Drake used to listen such a persons like Anemonia (who knows everything and nothing), I think I need to get Drakes msn to gives advices about daggers classes just to save DN....
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 05:19:32 PM
You're mentally sick :D
So let criminal judge themself in real life as well ? (i'm sure earth will be a better place to live and for our kids)
Most of l2 classes at DN got nerfed bcoz of oly.
Plus i don't even play so i have no need to cry but i'm logging l2 only to test things.
Its like - Drake love to code and I love to test the game mechanics and stuff he did or things that have been reported to be bugged or OverPower due to our difference with retail etc..etc..
hmm, so why are you wasting your time arguing about something you say is already decided, instead of testing and convincing Drake to do something about spoil? :'(
for all daggers and anemonia
DN dont need to "nerf" lethal, but need to "fix" it
there is 2 types of lethal:
effect 1:- in pvp = 1 CP
in pve= 1/2 HP
effect 2:-in pvp = 1 CP / 1 HP
in pve = 1 hp
effect 2 is only with lethal blow (blow 3rd class)
effect 1 is for all other blows that can lethal..
the problem in DN is all blows could have effect 2
about the damage output, daggers are strong in hellbound off, because of the attribute system, but we dont have it atm....
Quote from: loXol on June 28, 2009, 05:30:21 PM
for all daggers and anemonia
DN dont need to "nerf" lethal, but need to "fix" it
there is 2 types of lethal:
effect 1:- in pvp = 1 CP
in pve= 1/2 HP
effect 2:-in pvp = 1 CP / 1 HP
in pve = 1 hp
effect 2 is only with lethal blow (blow 3rd class)
effect 1 is for all other blows that can lethal..
the problem in DN is all blows could have effect 2
about the damage output, daggers are strong in hellbound off, because of the attribute system, but we dont have it atm....
it's a good compare, but ppl cry mostly about being to be lethaled at oly. So as we spoken in NM section, changing effect 2 to hp >500< (and we should make a poll about that) that would be quite fair for all. Because no1 is crying to be lethaled at siege/mass pvp, coz every1 takes it like to be m.crited...
and about Anemonia's sig now :D he can't even see the difference between knowledge about some things by proper char users to multiusers who can't be "good" enought to talk every detail about. ... trying to compare game to the real... :D
and seeing you flaming me, you just shows by your anger, you aren't trustful person giving advices to drake about game aspects. You are playing on emotions, you have no proper knowledge to judge about dagger case, the only thing is talking here fairy tales
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
I can truly tell you that i know more than anyone here about the l2 gameplay itself.
But just bcoz you and critias plays dagger don't give you the damn right to cry about more power for daggers which are OKEY except that they need a lethal NERF.
That's all by me keep ya singing the damn "SAME - WE'RE WEAK SONG" and see ya after few months when everyone here will be telling you same.
P.S. And yes i played dagger in the past and now just to test out the things - NERF is a must for their lethal and don't need blows to be boosted since will disbalance the game and this will require boosting of other things that will give resist to their blows.. but you don't care about this.
Don't you see that with every boost there is an additional boost for other things which disbalance the game more.
Since i face all the same comments which wont change the incoming dagger nerf you can keep crying but i'm bored to tell you same things every post so i will simply stop posting in this topic which is already decided.
I am not even going to reply to your shit anymore after this post. You are just too freaking stupid to understand what i posted before about maxed out players. Besides really overrate your own importance. Truth is that you are just another crybaby with no selfesteem in real life, trying to act like the big dog in a forum. We already agreed that lethals are a joke and an insult to any experienced dagger player. Fact is that in DN daggers are far from similar to the retail version and we deserve a lot more
potential then we have at the moment. And to be honest, i think you are just too freaking scared we might actually get as powerfull as the mages which are poluting the air we breath right now.
Quote from: zthrx on June 28, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
trying to compare game to the real... :D
and seeing you flaming me, you just shows by your anger, you aren't trustful person giving advices to drake about game aspects. You are playing on emotions, you have no proper knowledge to judge about dagger case, the only thing is talking here fairy tales
A game played by real people and a forum where real people write (but think before posting - not like you post than think).
And with this line up to this my signature is even more funnier than it was before but if you get insulted by it than you're really mentally challenged person and really have to see a therapist :) (or you can accept the fact that you're wrong and we can finish this up..or you can stand against me and be like critias - crying with every l2 chronicle)
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 07:09:24 PM
A game played by real people and a forum where real people write (but think before posting - not like you post than think).
And with this line up to this my signature is even more funnier than it was before but if you get insulted by it than you're really mentally challenged person and really have to see a therapist :) (or you can accept the fact that you're wrong and we can finish this up..or you can stand against me and be like critias - crying with every l2 chronicle)
dude I'm not crying at all haha, I'm fine with my dagger.
I just laught and agree with ppl calling you attention whore with ur superior ego.
you wont beat me in dagger knowledge, so don't change topic and instead of trying to defend your lack of knowledge (attacking ppl here, and writing some fairy tales) in daggers case, try to do smth usefull. You have a super talent to write a stories to your "not inteligent/important" comments trying to pretend some guru here... but it's not a place for you between experienced char users here. So would be better for you listen to ppl oponions and keep showing off you talk with Drake on msn about things you don't have idea about....
I'm not talking much in general, only when I have smth to say. And this topic force me to write some opinions about daggers coz I'm the one of right persons to do it...
Quote from: loXol on June 28, 2009, 05:30:21 PM
for all daggers and anemonia
DN dont need to "nerf" lethal, but need to "fix" it
there is 2 types of lethal:
effect 1:- in pvp = 1 CP
in pve= 1/2 HP
effect 2:-in pvp = 1 CP / 1 HP
in pve = 1 hp
effect 2 is only with lethal blow (blow 3rd class)
effect 1 is for all other blows that can lethal..
the problem in DN is all blows could have effect 2
about the damage output, daggers are strong in hellbound off, because of the attribute system, but we dont have it atm....
+1 thats the real face of the problem. About the damage, well its rly sh1t if some has this less crit dmg buff, like 200-250 per blow, its more like scratch than deadly blow.
The thing Anemonia wrote about 1v1 mage vs dagger, well lets face it dagger is mage killer, here or on retail, whatever, every kid knows that dagger eats mages alive, wins 9,5 out of 10 fights. Only subclass system made mages harder to kill on dnet.
About the lethals, yes its true, you can get rly nice rate of lethal now, but 100% one is rly lucky and sometimes u get lethal and nothing happends so plz fix that too.
Anyway, i dont know u Anemonia, i had a nice break from dnet (i created 1st account in c2/c3 then moved to ther svrs) if u rly have such influence on drake's nerfs just dont make dagger unplayable char, cuz its pvp gameplay is the best in l2 (not only targeting and f1+ f2...)
P.S. If necro/ee pwnz a party nobody nerf him or start crying, when a dagger pwnz whole party there are topics like this where all cry of OP dagger...(wtf?! man with such a small sword... omfg so g@y is he even a fighter? i thought its only for opening chests...)
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on June 28, 2009, 07:41:06 PM
+1 thats the real face of the problem. About the damage, well its rly sh1t if some has this less crit dmg buff, like 200-250 per blow, its more like scratch than deadly blow.
The thing Anemonia wrote about 1v1 mage vs dagger, well lets face it dagger is mage killer, here or on retail, whatever, every kid knows that dagger eats mages alive, wins 9,5 out of 10 fights. Only subclass system made mages harder to kill on dnet.
About the lethals, yes its true, you can get rly nice rate of lethal now, but 100% one is rly lucky and sometimes u get lethal and nothing happends so plz fix that too.
Anyway, i dont know u Anemonia, i had a nice break from dnet (i created 1st account in c2/c3 then moved to ther svrs) if u rly have such influence on drake's nerfs just dont make dagger unplayable char, cuz its pvp gameplay is the best in l2 (not only targeting and f1+ f2...)
P.S. If necro/ee pwnz a party nobody nerf him or start crying, when a dagger pwnz whole party there are topics like this where all cry of OP dagger...(wtf?! man with such a small sword... omfg so g@y is he even a fighter? i thought its only for opening chests...)
don't worry, there is also Furesy talking with Drake about some nerf cases. Thx god he knows way more about this game than Anemonia...
I will post it once 4 ever :
Dagger don't need any boost the only think that to be done on them is the lethal fix.
Thats all.
P.S. Daggers are not meant to be killing machines - orcs and mages do.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 08:41:10 PM
P.S. Daggers are not meant to be killing machines - orcs and mages do.
Then u'll say that ur L2 knownledge is pwnzor....
Wanna talk'bout which classes r meant to do something?.Daggers r mean to be killing machines (vs mages) till their mana is out,and the same for mages,but here we've got Mana Pots and things that won't ever exist in official servers.Is it so hard to understand that u cannot mix what NCSoft did and what Drake did with stucking subclasses and donations?.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 08:41:10 PM
I will post it once 4 ever :
Dagger don't need any boost the only think that to be done on them is the lethal fix.
Thats all.
P.S. Daggers are not meant to be killing machines - orcs and mages do.
wtf are then daggers if they are not "meant to be" killing machine?theyr role in pvp party is to kill robe+light armor users before the mana end.Go make 1 dagger(no matter what),get A or S grade(not dynasty),try to kill someone and after that post link with ur skills pls
Quote from: ToothFairy on June 28, 2009, 09:19:30 PM
wtf are then daggers if they are not "meant to be" killing machine?theyr role in pvp party is to kill robe+light armor users before the mana end.Go make 1 dagger(no matter what),get A or S grade(not dynasty),try to kill someone and after that post link with ur skills pls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg_dBKC3RdU&feature=PlayList&p=9D66520A5828B4FC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jotGZkgUsn8&feature=related
http://pvparena.net/video/Baium_Massacre_-_1shot_counter
They are for open chests only!!
lol at ur sig :))
open chests ftw ;)
Dagger aint even planed to be killing everyone in mass pvp.
On DN daggers can be used only to solo pvp while scouting and finding alone enemies.
Dashing through the enemy lines to kill the bishop or other supports counting on evasion etc.. causing total massacre since the enemy party would turn to you since you mess their supports which have to be protected and meanwhile your party deal dmg.
Infiltrating the enemy lines,sneaking or ambushing the enemy,making solo killing is what dagger is meant to BUT NOT freakING MASS PVP KILLING MACHINE.
I say DN since in DN almost every dagger is subbed to TANK.
That's why i say that we don't need boosting any dagger.
P.S. If you're so pro on dagger's you wont be here crying about them since they're killing good when they're played by skilled ppl. (pro dagger waterfall)
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:09:13 PM
Dagger aint even planed to be killing everyone in mass pvp.
On DN daggers can be used only to solo pvp while scouting and finding alone enemies.
Dashing through the enemy lines to kill the bishop or other supports counting on evasion etc.. causing total massacre since the enemy party would turn to you since you mess their supports which have to be protected and meanwhile your party deal dmg.
Infiltrating the enemy lines,sneaking or ambushing the enemy,making solo killing is what dagger is meant to BUT NOT freakING MASS PVP KILLING MACHINE.
I say DN since in DN almost every dagger is subbed to TANK.
That's why i say that we don't need boosting any dagger.
P.S. If you're so pro on dagger's you wont be here crying about them since they're killing good when they're played by skilled ppl. (pro dagger waterfall)
When have u seen dagger killing everyone in mass pvp lol?
It's not daggers users problem if u,a tard whose life is pathetic wanna freak all of us in a game,don't know how to play'em properly,neither u play in DN servers as u've said(unless I can add lier to a list of words to describe u),so,u've got no freaking idea'bout what r u talking.
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 28, 2009, 10:16:53 PM
When have u seen dagger killing everyone in mass pvp lol?
It's not daggers users problem if u,a tard whose life is pathetic wanna freak all of us in a game,don't know how to play'em properly,neither u play in DN servers as u've said(unless I can add lier to a list of words to describe u),so,u've got no freaking idea'bout what r u talking.
That's what other cry here that they can't kill anyone in mass pvps and that my point of view is based on oly etc..
If i know sh1t about dagger than i'm not blind you stupid punk.
They kill almost everyone in Oly and manage to kill most of sub combos on 1 vs 1 if they know how to play.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:21:34 PM
That's what other cry here that they can't kill anyone in mass pvps and that my point of view is based on oly etc..
If i know sh1t about dagger than i'm not blind you stupid punk.
They kill almost everyone in Oly and manage to kill most of sub combos on 1 vs 1 if they know how to play.
Guess with dagger I'm better than u tho I'm a noob.
Punk? Have u called me punk? That was a nice one!
Cos Dagger in 1 vs 1 is almost the best char,just GL is better(If u know how to play it properly).Anyway,what do u want? Daggers loosing in 1 vs 1 vs mages or few archers? lol
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 28, 2009, 10:26:29 PM
Guess with dagger I'm better than u tho I'm a noob.
Punk? Have u called me punk? That was a nice one!
Cos Dagger in 1 vs 1 is almost the best char,just GL is better(If u know how to play it properly).Anyway,what do u want? Daggers loosing in 1 vs 1 vs mages or few archers? lol
No i want lethal to be nerfed (it will)
And You ppl to stop crying here since there is nothing wrong or nothing to be boosted on daggers understand ?
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i162/ombladon78/arguing.jpg)
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:28:50 PM
No i want lethal to be nerfed (it will)
And You ppl to stop crying here since there is nothing wrong or nothing to be boosted on daggers understand ?
if there's nothing wrong why nerf lethal? Mages crying? When was mage era nobody said a word because everyone have a mage and archer and they are easy to play with. When it is era of daggers, just few ppl know how to use them properly, and other ppl even if they make one dagger they can't own with them so they start crying to nerf daggers cause then they can play their mages or archers.
Quote from: Rior on June 28, 2009, 10:38:55 PM
if there's nothing wrong why nerf lethal? Mages crying? When was mage era nobody said a word because everyone have a mage and archer and they are easy to play with. When it is era of daggers, just few ppl know how to use them properly, and other ppl even if they make one dagger they can't own with them so they start crying to nerf daggers cause then they can play their mages or archers.
No body said a word ? OH REALLY ?
I made like 50 pages big topic about m.criticals and it was deleted by GMs since those GMs have mage chars with EMP/WM active passive augments and was on 100 % m.critical killing everyone.(YES GMs PLAY NORMAL CHARS)
STFU when you know sh1t.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:42:23 PM
No body said a word ? OH REALLY ?
I made like 50 pages big topic about m.criticals and it was deleted by GMs since those GMs have mage chars with EMP/WM active passive augments and was on 100 % m.critical killing everyone.(YES GMs PLAY NORMAL CHARS)
STFU when you know sh1t.
lol, and who is saying that I know shit? Someone who told that daggers are not meant to be killing machines. It's like saying: Bishops aren't meant to be the best healers ::)
I don't give a shit on this nerf cause anyway I like my char no matter if its owning or not but I can't stand when some1 is talking bullshit like you and thinks he knows everything
Quote from: Rior on June 28, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
lol, and who is saying that I know shit? Someone who told that daggers are not meant to be killing machines. It's like saying: Bishops aren't meant to be the best healers ::)
I don't give a shit on this nerf cause anyway I like my char no matter if its owning or not but I can't stand when some1 is talking bullshit like you and thinks he knows everything
Killing machine is called Destro on Frenzy not Dagger kk ?
now QQ.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:59:39 PM
Killing machine is called Destro on Frenzy not Dagger kk ?
now QQ.
hah
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:59:39 PM
Killing machine is called Destro on Frenzy not Dagger kk ?
now QQ.
why today i freaked up destro/wc+tyr/spoil? 2vs1 and they have lost. Your killing machine did nothing to me. WE ARE MEANT TO BE KILLING MACHINES. Dagger should kill very fast or get killed very fast. And after your ideas we will only get killed very fast
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:59:39 PM
Killing machine is called Destro on Frenzy not Dagger kk ?
now QQ.
u still can't get that "your" imagined lineage2 from official doesn't work here since we have subclass. You are pretending some Hitler trying to make his own game, on your imagined rules lol. Daggers have same rights to pwn as others classes, they lose mana the fastest from all classes, and have to use alot of skills to play. Dagger users deserve to get some fun since, they need to use shiitload of skills to kill, than mage using f1 and f2. Hope you understood mine objective not "racist" point of view :D
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:59:39 PM
Killing machine is called Destro on Frenzy not Dagger kk ?
now QQ.
if you think you have that much influence on drake then try to do something positive for servers...like...dunno...fixing REAL stuff. i know you can only bitch and moan about stuff that you don't like but try to do something for this community at least
Quote from: PoFon on June 28, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg_dBKC3RdU&feature=PlayList&p=9D66520A5828B4FC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jotGZkgUsn8&feature=related
http://pvparena.net/video/Baium_Massacre_-_1shot_counter
They are for open chests only!!
Hide those videos, Anemonia said daggers aren't killing machines and she knows L2 better than anyone here (sarcasme)
Btw the last one isn't from official
Quote from: loXol on June 28, 2009, 05:30:21 PM
for all daggers and anemonia
DN dont need to "nerf" lethal, but need to "fix" it
there is 2 types of lethal:
effect 1:- in pvp = 1 CP
in pve= 1/2 HP
effect 2:-in pvp = 1 CP / 1 HP
in pve = 1 hp
effect 2 is only with lethal blow (blow 3rd class)
effect 1 is for all other blows that can lethal..
the problem in DN is all blows could have effect 2
I didn't really played dagger in pvp here but isn't it alread like that?
Cause i runned a test on deadly blow and for 300 blow i had a rate of 0.25% for full lethal (1hp) and perhaps it was an arror in fact.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:59:39 PM
Killing machine is called Destro on Frenzy not Dagger kk ?
now QQ.
You are right,on frenzy u can kill a lot of mobs
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 08:41:10 PM
P.S. Daggers are not meant to be killing machines - orcs and mages do.
hyh what can i say, u just prove whats ur l2 knowledge...
Go on youtube and watch good pvp movies, gustavs (watch his equipment and vs who he fights), kgn etc... not killing machines? well maybe for u cuz u prolly have no idea how to play without nuke.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 28, 2009, 10:28:50 PM
No i want lethal to be nerfed (it will)
"I want lethal to be nerfed cuz I got owned by dagger, and i dont know what even dagger is" This is what u just said us. Isnt it what u call QQ?
This is just a prove that ppl like u shouldnt in any position to decide about nerfs or anything, cuz u act like little kid. "I want candy give them to me" -.- thats just sad...
PS. nerfing chars just becouse of oly fights is rly stupid. Thats L2, some chars are good for oly some dont. With changing chronicles some chars got boost some not. Now its just dagger age... after 3 years of getting pwned@oly, mages and archers now have to learn how to use other skills than attack or surrender+nuke.
QQ and Enjoy the enchanted Nerf for daggers which don't include only Lethal !
TOPIC CLOSED.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 29, 2009, 06:37:07 AM
QQ and Enjoy the enchanted Nerf for daggers which don't include only Lethal !
TOPIC CLOSED.
lol, you are acting like a retarded buthurted kido, trying to scare us with ur "hohoho" posts....
ya we will enjoy, nothing know about daggers tard
at latest runes siege, I didn't make any lethal for 2h of pvp, and most of daggers, but instead I died only after thousands m. crits which in 90% landed in a row. so plz nerf lethal and boost m crit, ye welcome linemage
Quote from: zthrx on June 29, 2009, 09:02:45 AM
lol, you are acting like a retarded buthurted kido, trying to scare us with ur "hohoho" posts....
ya we will enjoy, nothing know about daggers tard
at latest runes siege, I didn't make any lethal for 2h of pvp, and most of daggers, but instead I died only after thousands m. crits which in 90% landed in a row. so plz nerf lethal and boost m crit, ye welcome linemage
What do u expect with his face lol? Guess he's a marginalized guy that wanna act cool in a game,while the only thing this female can do is to show us the max lvl of retardness a person can reach.
I don't really think lethal should be removed from DN but it's not fun that a pvp ends just by a "lucky" lethal at beginning.
IMO it's enough if only "lethal from front" will be removed.
Here is blow damage formula in official Gracia. (just an example)
Direction : critical damage amplifier bonus
Front : 0%
Side : 5% (x1.05)
Back : 20% (x1.2)
(it's also applied to normal melee attacks but efficiency is halved on critical. 2.5% from side, 10% from back)
{ (p.atk + skill power) x critical damage amplifier x (min dmg 0.95, max dmg 1.05) + (additional crit power x 6) } x 77 / p.def
with soul shot : p.atk x2
backstab+soul shot : skill power x1.5
with focus power : Front -15% damage, Sideways +15% damage, Back +30% damage
with focus death : Front -15% damage, Back +45% damage
Quote from: Anemonia on June 29, 2009, 06:37:07 AM
QQ and Enjoy the enchanted Nerf for daggers which don't include only Lethal !
hahaha funny kid, telling ppl about how they cry which actually what he does all the time.
Quote from: Anemonia on June 29, 2009, 06:37:07 AM
QQ and Enjoy the enchanted Nerf for daggers which don't include only Lethal !
TOPIC CLOSED.
you really scared us, now go and bring us coffe. It's the only thing u can do, cause u can't talk about L2 when you know shit about it
Quote from: Anemonia on June 29, 2009, 06:37:07 AM
QQ and Enjoy the enchanted Nerf for daggers which don't include only Lethal !
TOPIC CLOSED.
u r a joke bitch :-*
Quote from: Finisterre on June 29, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
I don't really think lethal should be removed from DN but it's not fun that a pvp ends just by a "lucky" lethal at beginning.
IMO it's enough if only "lethal from front" will be removed.
Here is blow damage formula in official Gracia. (just an example)
Direction : critical damage amplifier bonus
Front : 0%
Side : 5% (x1.05)
Back : 20% (x1.2)
(it's also applied to normal melee attacks but efficiency is halved on critical. 2.5% from side, 10% from back)
{ (p.atk + skill power) x critical damage amplifier x (min dmg 0.95, max dmg 1.05) + (additional crit power x 6) } x 77 / p.def
with soul shot : p.atk x2
backstab+soul shot : skill power x1.5
with focus power : Front -15% damage, Sideways +15% damage, Back +30% damage
with focus death : Front -15% damage, Back +45% damage
+1
but focus death got bonus from sideways too
edit: my bad... http://lineage.pmfun.com/list/buffstats
Focus Death Critical -30%, Blow land rate +60%, Critical Damage from front -30%, Critical Damage from back +90%
Quote from: Sephiroth on June 29, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
What do u expect with his face lol? Guess he's a marginalized guy that wanna act cool in a game,while the only thing this female can do is to show us the max lvl of retardness a person can reach.
link plox
@topic: imho drake should have a talk with finisterre and this would work out. maybe even with critias and zthrx. but i kinda think he won't because the ppl that CAN talk to drake did smt special to be able to...if you know what i mean
Quote from: Atta on June 29, 2009, 04:31:46 PM
link plox
@topic: imho drake should have a talk with finisterre and this would work out. maybe even with critias and zthrx. but i kinda think he won't because the ppl that CAN talk to drake did smt special to be able to...if you know what i mean
just send them to elcharro.
Quote from: Atta on June 29, 2009, 04:31:46 PM
@topic: imho drake should have a talk with finisterre and this would work out.
Oh yeah!!!
if only Drake was listening to mart people... nah!!!!
else Dnet wouldn't be this crap now with Dnet sets even on low rate server :S
THIS is th worse shit ever done here...
Quote from: Finisterre on June 29, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
I don't really think lethal should be removed from DN but it's not fun that a pvp ends just by a "lucky" lethal at beginning.
IMO it's enough if only "lethal from front" will be removed.
Here is blow damage formula in official Gracia. (just an example)
Direction : critical damage amplifier bonus
Front : 0%
Side : 5% (x1.05)
Back : 20% (x1.2)
(it's also applied to normal melee attacks but efficiency is halved on critical. 2.5% from side, 10% from back)
{ (p.atk + skill power) x critical damage amplifier x (min dmg 0.95, max dmg 1.05) + (additional crit power x 6) } x 77 / p.def
with soul shot : p.atk x2
backstab+soul shot : skill power x1.5
with focus power : Front -15% damage, Sideways +15% damage, Back +30% damage
with focus death : Front -15% damage, Back +45% damage
focus power should be +30% +60%
focus death should be +90%