So i was wondering how exactly this update stops ty/de from soloing the upgraded Raids?
Sure u boosted their stats and that just makes it slower/harder a bit but not impossible for a good ty/de.
The only way to stop ty/de from soloing raids is to make reflect 50% or more.
Quote from: IvolveR on January 20, 2010, 10:57:19 AM
So i was wondering how exactly this update stops ty/de from soloing the upgraded Raids?
Sure u boosted their stats and that just makes it slower/harder a bit but not impossible for a good ty/de.
The only way to stop ty/de from soloing raids is to make reflect 50% or more.
Higher reflect/higher pdef. (mdef.) basically in general much harder, and ofc drops are boosted too.
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 12:09:31 PM
Higher reflect/higher pdef. (mdef.) basically in general much harder, and ofc drops are boosted too.
Dunno if its possible, but would be nice if Raid Boss had more(x2 or x3) pdef, mdef when just 2 or 3 ppl hitting him.
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 12:09:31 PM
Higher reflect/higher pdef. (mdef.) basically in general much harder, and ofc drops are boosted too.
only in NM or in all other servers???
Any now we have a Dynasty weapon rain drop :D. Doubt if dynasty weapons will cost more than 3 coins in 2 days....
Quote from: VforVanilla on January 20, 2010, 12:48:23 PM
Any now we have a Dynasty weapon rain drop :D. Doubt if dynasty weapons will cost more than 3 coins in 2 days....
Nah it was droptest, we are fixing drop rate already, but u have recipes and parts so you can craft.
stupid idea
Quote from: endona on January 20, 2010, 01:23:41 PM
stupid idea
Sharing your opinion is a freedom everyone has, yet, for it to make any sense it's nice if you elaborate your opinion/statement, so care to explain why? :)
multy box now called soling RB.... ty/de alone can't kill RB
well, in some games that i tried (rappelz, PerfectWorld) bosses are killed by 1 person(not counting dungeon bosses), they are harder than ordinary mobs, but it takes just more time to kill them even by buffer(healer)
Quote from: Demonsfall on January 20, 2010, 01:27:04 PM
Sharing your opinion is a freedom everyone has, yet, for it to make any sense it's nice if you elaborate your opinion/statement, so care to explain why? :)
whole idea is cool, but at the end just think about it, new players that were earning some stuff by killing old rb now wont do it anymore, bcos rb will be to hard and low gear wont let them to kill it, so it makes rb be reserved only for old clans that already have gear and wont have a problem with killing any rb. Still ill have to test this out but i bet ty/de still can solo rb :P
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 20, 2010, 01:29:15 PM
multy box now called soling RB.... ty/de alone can't kill RB
well, in some games that i tried (rappelz, PerfectWorld) bosses are killed by 1 person(not counting dungeon bosses), they are harder than ordinary mobs, but it takes just more time to kill them even by buffer(healer)
Bad games you play then, raids should be mass people gather-killing instances and there all story ends.
Quote from: Sali on January 20, 2010, 01:31:37 PM
whole idea is cool, but at the end just think about it, new players that were earning some stuff by killing old rb now wont do it anymore, bcos rb will be to hard and low gear wont let them to kill it, so it makes rb be reserved only for old clans that already have gear and wont have a problem with killing any rb. Still ill have to test this out but i bet ty/de still can solo rb :P
I was expectig this totally, and you are ABSOLUTLY wrong, because if you just read my updates hystory you will notice that people who are clanless or havnt strong clans/ally , can get all those items from raids by SPOILING and CRAFTING,and well if they cant kill a mob then its not my problem, raiding is just fast drop luck based as well as mass pvp gathering, so "weak clan based new players" can spoil and craft same items from raids.
Quote from: Sali on January 20, 2010, 01:31:37 PM
Still ill have to test this out but i bet ty/de still can solo rb :P
u talk for szi right? :P
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 01:34:56 PM
I was expectig this totally, and you are ABSOLUTLY wrong, because if you just read my updates hystory you will notice that people who are clanless or havnt strong clans/ally , can get all those items from raids by SPOILING and CRAFTING,and well if they cant kill a mob then its not my problem, raiding is just fast drop luck based as well as mass pvp gathering, so "weak clan based new players" can spoil and craft same items from raids.
so, ur just giving free money to old players, nice from u but do they rly need more coins? Still the main idea is cool, but this wont work in my opinion
Quote from: Sali on January 20, 2010, 01:44:30 PM
so, ur just giving free money to old players, nice from u but do they rly need more coins? Still the main idea is cool, but this wont work in my opinion
I am not giving to old players anything, i just bring up the value of raids again like they had in c1-c4-IL and bringing back the point on going to raid actually , and u are absolutly wrong that only old players going on raids, and well there are 30 raids, plenty of oportunity for everyone.
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 01:32:25 PM
Bad games you play then, raids should be mass people gather-killing instances and there all story ends.
i just stated that this is 1 of versions of making bosses, not neccesarilly gathering crowds, but i tested those games when DNET was down for long time (FBI Story), and now here back as you've noticed
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 01:34:56 PM
I was expectig this totally, and you are ABSOLUTLY wrong, because if you just read my updates hystory you will notice that people who are clanless or havnt strong clans/ally , can get all those items from raids by SPOILING and CRAFTING,and well if they cant kill a mob then its not my problem, raiding is just fast drop luck based as well as mass pvp gathering, so "weak clan based new players" can spoil and craft same items from raids.
Spoil Bosses? now dwarfs are welcomed at raids? really? :D (cool if it's so :P)
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 20, 2010, 01:53:13 PM
i just stated that this is 1 of versions of making bosses, not neccesarilly gathering crowds, but i tested those games when DNET was down for long time (FBI Story), and now here back as you've noticed
Spoil Bosses? now dwarfs are welcomed at raids? really? :D (cool if it's so :P)
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I was thinking to reply you something on this one, but all my efforts fail really //setparam iq
This idea is not worth nothing!
Now RB farmers from big allies are sellin' a huge amount of dynasty weapons ! I mean 1 person sellin' like 5 dynasty weapons ! Soon this weapons will be like for 3 - 5 dc , it will ruine everything and soon only Icarus weapons will be "the extra ones" . The old farmers will earn more coins than before and the new players will get nothing like always .. Sad but true !
IMHO RB's should drop only recipes , not weapons !
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 01:50:09 PM
I am not giving to old players anything, i just bring up the value of raids again like they had in c1-c4-IL and bringing back the point on going to raid actually , and u are absolutly wrong that only old players going on raids, and well there are 30 raids, plenty of oportunity for everyone.
still if not 1 ty/de, 2 will easy get an rb, and well like encube pointed, recipes and parts drop would be fine enough, full item is kinda "to much", still as u see its not only my opinion just old farmers will get fat pockets :)
Quote from: Encube on January 20, 2010, 02:02:28 PM
This idea is not worth nothing!
Now RB farmers from big allies are sellin' a huge amount of dynasty weapons ! I mean 1 person sellin' like 5 dynasty weapons ! Soon this weapons will be like for 3 - 5 dc , it will ruine everything and soon only Icarus weapons will be "the extra ones" . The old farmers will earn more coins than before and the new players will get nothing like always .. Sad but true !
IMHO RB's should drop only recipes , not weapons !
Cant be that hard to read my previous posts i have explained you that already. Recipes and shards are mostly droped by raids, full drops are rare (last night was just a test, dont expect same), but previous rate of full dorps was basically impossible , well now we made it possible on lowe rate, ill sugest you to try raids before spaming shit of forum. New players can get everything if they want and not lazy, raids-spoil-craft-potions, there are plenty of ways to get dynasty armor-weapons.
Quote from: Encube on January 20, 2010, 02:02:28 PM
IMHO RB's should drop only recipes , not weapons !
Agree, Track u can put to drop list of RB's only recipe and parts for dynasty / icarus (30% succefully?). Full drops are little sh1t.
If u make it (low chance to craft it) will be more fun, to spoil mats and make manor (manor is sux, castle functions dont work, so castles is little useless... xD)
and Track u shoud boost Epic raids. Maybe u did it for Temp enemy (they can kill epic rb now), but epic raids power are veryyyyyy low now... Where is fun? We come and kill antharas in 2 party in 10min (baium is stronger Oo). Same with Valakas....
Quote from: Sali on January 20, 2010, 02:05:38 PM
still if not 1 ty/de, 2 will easy get an rb, and well like encube pointed, recipes and parts drop would be fine enough, full item is kinda "to much", still as u see its not only my opinion just old farmers will get fat pockets :)
Simple Sad True ..
The precipice between old and new players will be totally enlarged !
Quote from: Encube on January 20, 2010, 02:15:32 PM
Simple Sad True ..
The precipice between old and new players will be totally enlarged !
Cool sig
Quote from: G4rro on January 20, 2010, 02:11:27 PM
You are right but just look from another perespective , old farmers will not be able to get a raid just like they did it before , now if Rbks drop full items ( even with a low rate ) ppl will more often camping it & what comes with it , there will be more action there like pvp or pk .
Guess who'll win almost all of that kind of fights ..
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
full drops are rare (last night was just a test, dont expect same)
i was at naga and he dropped 2 dyna weap this morning not yesterday night..n/c...
i agree whit encube..recipes are enought
An idea - fun from RB gone not only cuz of ty/des, but becouse there was update with imposible heal on RB. Heal on RB is lame yes - but there was a lot of fun when RB was possible for heal cuz every one boss become litle siege. Just make Q golkys to be imposible for heal.
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 01:58:13 PM
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I was thinking to reply you something on this one, but all my efforts fail really //setparam iq
ty for answer. in chosing betwen "yes" and "no" you found third one
IQ is constant for every personalyty, seems yours is Zero, same as my respect now to you
go on edit some variables, since you can't code anything normally, and i can prove my words by just putting quotes of your previous posts
+1 - stupid idea
cuz crafting dyn items was the way to make money.. and now dyn's will cost cheaper... no reason to craft.. better made good ty\de and play only with him. leave it how it was.
Quote from: Add1ction on January 20, 2010, 03:30:35 PM
+1 - stupid idea
cuz crafting dyn items was the way to make money.. and now dyn's will cost cheaper... no reason to craft.. better made good ty\de and play only with him. leave it how it was.
Having Dynasty on drops from RB doesnt mean that will ALWAYS drop, ofc will become cheaper, but u can still sell it for a good price.
Track, if you really want to made raiding at this server a fun and hard team / clan challenge that could show true team skills and coordination, IMHO you should:
1) Put any effort to the every class that become involved to raid could do their job effectively - like: give tanks 2 or 3 x more skill power at aggression and hate skills (did anyone seen a busy tank at raid lately ? :) ) or more PVE landrate of debuffs like - hex / power break / curse weakness, seals of OL etc. Everything what makes really busy every1 in party is welcomed.
2) If TY/DE is still a 1 man party-army, lets nerf him a bit - my suggestion is -> BIZON TOTEM, just nerf it to effect only with FISTS (like 80% of tyrant totems) and his insane dmg output should be clearly decrased giving other damage dealers in party chance to do something other than sitting/waiting/ressing :)
3) If nerfing a TY/DE with bison totem is bad idea (i bet all TY/DE would cry a river about it :D) incresting reflect dmg shield of raidbosses should do the work.
Quote from: ataman on January 20, 2010, 04:01:33 PM
Track, if you really want to made raiding at this server a fun and hard team / clan challenge that could show true team skills and coordination, IMHO you should:
1) Put any effort to the every class that become involved to raid could do their job effectively - like: give tanks 2 or 3 x more skill power at aggression and hate skills (did anyone seen a busy tank at raid lately ? :) ) or more PVE landrate of debuffs like - hex / power break / curse weakness, seals of OL etc. Everything what makes really busy every1 in party is welcomed.
2) If TY/DE is still a 1 man party-army, lets nerf him a bit - my suggestion is -> BIZON TOTEM, just nerf it to effect only with FISTS (like 80% of tyrant totems) and his insane dmg output should be clearly decrased giving other damage dealers in party chance to do something other than sitting/waiting/ressing :)
3) If nerfing a TY/DE with bison totem is bad idea (i bet all TY/DE would cry a river about it :D) incresting reflect dmg shield of raidbosses should do the work.
good idea
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 20, 2010, 02:39:04 PM
ty for answer. in chosing betwen "yes" and "no" you found third one
IQ is constant for every personalyty, seems yours is Zero, same as my respect now to you
go on edit some variables, since you can't code anything normally, and i can prove my words by just putting quotes of your previous posts
same as whole infinity community has to u XD (kiddin.....or maybe not)
Track is trying to give refresh to the fun and to help a bit the newcomers... if dynasty weapon price will be lowered it will be easier for a new player buy it... and maybe it will bring the new clans to join some side in the pvp, sieges and so on...
Did U noticed how many little new clans we have? but not even 1 of them joined in war? only old clans are fighting... and in these new clans...if some member grows in equip and lvl he leaves and he goes into a bigger old clan...
maybe this new update will change a bit the general situation in the servers...who knows...
Nerfing ty\de its rassism :P Im sure, another way can be.
high reflect damage in raiids will not only freak ty/de but all the close range fighters...
Wanna make something for the 1 man-army ty/de?? as already some1 said I think it's enough to set bison workin only with fists =-P,
it will make impossible trains... and etc. imo. its not good idea
Nerfing ty/de is really dumb idea. If bison will work with fist only - ty/de combo is useless, cuz bison is a main reason why ppl sub destro to tyrant. So, if that nerf happens - ty/de will be close to a clean de, what can even kill the ty/de combo.
To all who want that nerf: gtfo! Stop crying about nerfing any classes. Better grow a pair of straight working hands.
Nothing stops u of making a ty/de or any other combo which owns in ur opinion & u cry to nerf it. (u'll fail playing it most probably too)
Btw, nerf of fist fury is enough for ty/de alrdy.
Quote from: Add1ction on January 20, 2010, 04:20:27 PM
it will make impossible trains... and etc. imo. its not good idea
If that were true it means no WL can train.
But yeah ty/de lives for Bison you can't take that away. Besides there are more classes that can solo raids... Dunno how to stop it.
Maybe you could make the bosses do some sort of debuff that cancells all vampiric effect for like 10 seconds? That way theres no way anyone could solo the bosses... Atleast not without active PP to cast MI.
ye ye I have a ty/de too and I know that...
But this char destroyed great part of the team play I think... every player has his own ty/de for trains, raids, t-rex, chimeras....etc etc...
Btw a ty/de with bison working with fists only could be always a char that can make trains, hit at 600 range, run like a crazy b1tch, use invicibility...
dunno...
Quote from: kidicarus on January 20, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
If that were true it means no WL can train.
But yeah ty/de lives for Bison you can't take that away. Besides there are more classes that can solo raids... Dunno how to stop it.
Maybe you could make the bosses do some sort of debuff that cancells all vampiric effect for like 10 seconds? That way theres no way anyone could solo the bosses... Atleast not without active PP to cast MI.
Just try raids now, they are not easy anymore no matter 1 or 3 ty/de the raid will last longer now, well we will see, so instead of all of u ppl (not u kidicarus) spaming go and test
QQ
Today i was see how destro/tyrant alone with draco set kill Kernon in 4 minutes.
stupid idea with dynasty weapon from rb like hell, look at ppls whos hard wroked at HB to make a one weapon,now they freaked up.Will be like with s grade soon for 3 coins.year by year is totaly worse.
Quote from: JustBeGood on January 20, 2010, 05:08:35 PM
stupid idea with dynasty weapon from rb like hell, look at ppls whos hard wroked at HB to make a one weapon,now they freaked up.Will be like with s grade soon for 3 coins.year by year is totaly worse.
GM change drop, if i good know now after restart drop only parts,recipe,some stuff and dynasty weapon is very low rate to droped, dont droped like yesterday anymore.
also u maked server more bored,cause u killed by this fun at HB quest for recipe.
I think is good idea, look all can farm on HB if dont play on clan, so are the rb to walk on it together with the clan and ally to make more fun no with 1 destro/tyrant with pp/bd
Quote from: lFreak on January 20, 2010, 05:14:03 PM
GM change drop, if i good know now after restart drop only parts,recipe,some stuff and dynasty weapon is very low rate to droped, dont droped like yesterday anymore.
and it should be like this
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 04:48:50 PM
Just try raids now, they are not easy anymore no matter 1 or 3 ty/de the raid will last longer now, well we will see, so instead of all of u ppl (not u kidicarus) spaming go and test
QQ
what about low lvl raid bosses(40-60 lvls)?
p.s.: raid bosses like Dark Shaman Varangka need fixes bacause they are to much strong (they make 400 notmal hit and 1.8k-2,3k critical)
Quote from: Requiem For A Dream on January 20, 2010, 05:50:29 PM
what about low lvl raid bosses(40-60 lvls)?
p.s.: raid bosses like Dark Shaman Varangka need fixes bacause they are to much strong (they make 400 notmal hit and 1.8k-2,3k critical)
Yes low lvl raids is on next wave, but i need a rest a bit , this took 12h with no brake, so im gathering info for low lvl raids dont worry.
@ Just to be good, no i didint kill anything, not all can kill Raids nor drop from raid is 100% so HB quests are still active and people are doing it.
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
@ Just to be good, no i didint kill anything, not all can kill Raids nor drop from raid is 100% so HB quests are still active and people are doing it.
till tommorow.
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
-Hate effect of tanks - higher agro and 0 mp cost (Gracia feature)
Really ty, I hate being ignored by RBs ;D
goddamn I would give 1 eye for enjoy raids like in c4... tank, healers, buffers and DD... aaaaaaaah good old times....
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on January 20, 2010, 06:35:10 PM
goddamn I would give 1 eye for enjoy raids like in c4... tank, healers, buffers and DD... aaaaaaaah good old times....
A guy farming rb's, especially Golkonda, with his tyr/des and his duals has spoken. So You're pretty much denying urself and Your actions. With most of stuff I agree with You, but stfu right now in this topic.
8)
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on January 20, 2010, 06:35:10 PM
goddamn I would give 1 eye for enjoy raids like in c4... tank, healers, buffers and DD... aaaaaaaah good old times....
and full mage pt at cdl T________T still rb were much weaker in past, and still it was funny, i just think we are geting to old for this game mengz ;<
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
Yes low lvl raids is on next wave, but i need a rest a bit , this took 12h with no brake, so im gathering info for low lvl raids dont worry.
need pro 60-70 lvl rb killer? fell free to pm xD
good job track , i just hope dyna weap drop is not to much but anyway weapon price will be low and more ppls will have dyna weapons/armors
thx gm
ps: i know is not the good topic but , did u will fix enchant skill in some weeks/months ?
Quote from: TargetMe on January 21, 2010, 01:23:06 AM
A guy farming rb's, especially Golkonda, with his tyr/des and his duals has spoken. So You're pretty much denying urself and Your actions. With most of stuff I agree with You, but stfu right now in this topic.
8)
business is 1 thing
fun is another one
Quote from: S1x on January 21, 2010, 10:33:26 AM
ahhh good old times ....interlude DE/TY , BD/PP and we can go to kill rbs :P
now u need wc/sws too xD
1. What about mage dmg on rb ?
2. And what about kamaels ?
"Next Updates: Kamel classes 100% operational and working ;
Coming in following weeks: Kamels 100% WORKIN"
Quote from: Locus on January 21, 2010, 11:52:02 AM
1. What about mage dmg on rb ?
2. And what about kamaels ?
"Next Updates: Kamel classes 100% operational and working ;
Coming in following weeks: Kamels 100% WORKIN"
We had some issues with it, but yes is on the way , patience.
Quote from: TargetMe on January 21, 2010, 01:23:06 AM
A guy farming rb's, especially Golkonda, with his tyr/des and his duals has spoken. So You're pretty much denying urself and Your actions. With most of stuff I agree with You, but stfu right now in this topic.
8)
naab talking?? ty/de can't touch golky quest... I'm using an unsubbed destro so I talk how much I want in this topic without denying myself =-P
ZZZZZZING
to help the miniclans i guess the rb's that are beyond 78 lvl should be easier to kill and drop also s grade weapons (am, ss, hd,dha, db, ss) more frequently. above 78 they have to be hard to kill... but so many dynasty weapons like u "tested"... the rbs dropped many more dynasty weapons than armors/blessed enchants/a -s weapons till now... it's rly good ideea for s80 weapons - 2-3 recipes in 50% drop, not full weapons and maybe some parts...
and ty for major heal on se, a class that has been forgotten
Quote from: S1x on January 21, 2010, 06:12:24 PM
Maybe he mean golky' s toi ::)
no no he means quest golkies ... I don't farm toi golky since IL.... =-P
i was refearing to the main topic itself,and not for what is written on pages 5-6... u ppl started to talk about q golkies... what is so special about a damn horn,it costs now 8-9 coins, and if u buy moons and aa u make it with 6
I love tracks idea! And realy if rbs will drop what he said, even with low chance it can make rbs popular again.
My main question is WILL IT WORK ON DRAGON x15? And Uruka and Q-Sheed fixed? =)
Well the idea of making RBs so hard are making impossible again for new ppls get his quest horn...
And about Epic RBs they are tooo strong now :D
Quote from: Gonzal on January 26, 2010, 01:26:59 AM
Well the idea of making RBs so hard are making impossible again for new ppls get his quest horn...
And about Epic RBs they are tooo strong now :D
As i red there are a list of rbs that were modified and golakas wasent among them.
Quote from: Mijamoto on January 26, 2010, 06:41:09 AM
As i red there are a list of rbs that were modified and golakas wasent among them.
The list is for RBs drops only... they made all RBs of the game harder with that update
Quote from: Mijamoto on January 25, 2010, 08:39:02 PM
My main question is WILL IT WORK ON DRAGON x15? And Uruka and Q-Sheed fixed? =)
Quote from: Requiem For A Dream on January 20, 2010, 05:50:29 PM
what about low lvl raid bosses(40-60 lvls)?
p.s.: raid bosses like Dark Shaman Varangka need fixes bacause they are to much strong (they make 400 notmal hit and 1.8k-2,3k critical)
Quote from: Requiem For A Dream on January 20, 2010, 05:50:29 PM
what about low lvl raid bosses(40-60 lvls)?
p.s.: raid bosses like Dark Shaman Varangka need fixes bacause they are to much strong (they make 400 notmal hit and 1.8k-2,3k critical)
Quote from: TrackZero on January 20, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
Yes low lvl raids is on next wave, but i need a rest a bit , this took 12h with no brake, so im gathering info for low lvl raids dont worry.
@ Just to be good, no i didint kill anything, not all can kill Raids nor drop from raid is 100% so HB quests are still active and people are doing it.
WHEN????WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN? TELL ME WHEN U WILL FIX LOW LVL RAID BOSSES??
EDIT:
is freaking more easy to drop dynasty weapons from raid high lvl than a freaking weapon B/A grade from low/medium rb lvl
Vampiric effects not working on Raid Bosses.
Solved - if codable.
Quote from: Requiem For A Dream on February 21, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
WHEN????WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN? TELL ME WHEN U WILL FIX LOW LVL RAID BOSSES??
EDIT:
is freaking more easy to drop dynasty weapons from raid high lvl than a freaking weapon B/A grade from low/medium rb lvl
bullshit, low lvl raids are diing in less than 5 min with just 1 orc
with lvl 64 orc most RB lvl 70-71 die in 5 min
and weapons drops rate is fine
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 22, 2010, 02:33:53 PM
bullshit, low lvl raids are diing in less than 5 min with just 1 orc
with lvl 64 orc most RB lvl 70-71 die in 5 min
and weapons drops rate is fine
maybe in nightmare but not in dragon