I noticed that now buffs like elemental protection,resist aqua,dance of aqua guard now they change values in attributes. MAde some test and what to see....
Freezing strike initial damage: -> 500
+ Resist aqua -> 464
+ Elemental protection -> 464
+Aqua guard -> 464
Good job!!!
Quote from: VforVanilla on February 04, 2010, 06:07:52 PM
I noticed that now buffs like elemental protection,resist aqua,dance of aqua guard now they change values in attributes. MAde some test and what to see....
Freezing strike initial damage: -> 500
+ Resist aqua -> 464
+ Elemental protection -> 464
+Aqua guard -> 464
Good job!!!
Yep its true :P but elemental protection works.
Aqua Guard and Aqua resist dont work at all :P
Change it ! Its immposible to fight against SPS now
All skills work, take sps with +75 (with this value you will see fast reslts with little calculations) water attribute and test: you will see
if you don't understand, how attr system works, go and make tests from 0 on atack and defence,raise 1 step, hit, raise, hit...
So lets see.
Tested, full resists possible against dark. Necro/DA on selfbuff + EE buffs was hitting me for this damage, I'm on full resist + full M def setup.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/992/shot00073r.jpg
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/992/shot00073r.jpg)
Now did one with PvP setup, so didn't use M def tatoos but cast, so my normal M def is around ~2.3k, with M def pot it is around ~2.5k in a normal PvP. He gloomed me and was hitting me for this dmg, he has buffs this time. (BD/SE, selfbuffs and EE)
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8490/shot00078iu.jpg
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8490/shot00078iu.jpg)
Attribute system blows, freaked up everything lol
put same defence as he has atck and don't whine
yes, now you need 6 sets with +450 atribute
and it will protect only vs attributed weapons
furesy sorry i m bit sleepy but didn't get your point
low m def = hit for 1200
nice m def+resist = hit for 400
what 's wrong??
(y u need to sleep a bit :D)
Quote from: Dag on February 05, 2010, 10:14:51 AM
furesy sorry i m bit sleepy but didn't get your point
low m def = hit for 1200
nice m def+resist = hit for 400
what 's wrong??
(y u need to sleep a bit :D)
Uhm, low m def? I got more M def then normal buffed people, it shows low M def in stats simply because gloom is landed so it's like -450 M def in status window, without gloom I got 2.3k+ and I'm still on full dark resist buffs.
He hits me for 400 while I have 3.3k M def and full dark resist buffs, also notice he is on selfbuffs + my PoW.
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 05, 2010, 10:12:33 AM
put same defence as he has atck and don't whine
yes, now you need 6 sets with +450 atribute
and it will protect only vs attributed weapons
Whatever, if that's the system now I'll go back to hibernation again.
I suppose this screen was missing:
Full M def setup + full resist setup vs Necro/DA on BD/SE, EE and selfbuffs.
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/337/shot00075w.jpg
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/337/shot00075w.jpg)
Off to uni.
Quote from: Furesy on February 05, 2010, 10:20:20 AM
Whatever, if that's the system now I'll go back to hibernation again.
looks like this is the system now
i never said it's good/balanced etc
I just said it works 100%
now all elemental resist buffs, Anty ear, Vala neck, Dnet, Frin neck(this one didn't test), dances/songs, surenders, vortexes change attr values
btw resist buffs, enchanted + power still don't work as should (same bonus as nonenchnated)
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 05, 2010, 10:30:00 AM
looks like this is the system now
i never said it's good/balanced etc
I just said it works 100%
now all elemental resist buffs, Anty ear, Vala neck, Dnet, Frin neck(this one didn't test), dances/songs, surenders, vortexes change attr values
btw resist buffs, enchanted + power still don't work as should (same bonus as nonenchnated)
So you are telling me that from asps that hasn't any atr on weapon i will take full damage even if i have added all neccessary atrb on armor and all res buffs ???
Quote from: VforVanilla on February 05, 2010, 10:31:47 AM
So you are telling me that from asps that hasn't any atr on weapon i will take full damage even if i have added all neccessary atrb on armor and all res buffs ???
sadly - yes
this is how it works here now
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 05, 2010, 09:33:26 AM
All skills work, take sps with +75 (with this value you will see fast reslts with little calculations) water attribute and test: you will see
if you don't understand, how attr system works, go and make tests from 0 on atack and defence,raise 1 step, hit, raise, hit...
plx dude i dont wanna think u are that stupid to defend that bug which disabled effect of magic resist buffs, but in other way u simply dont realize whats going on xd
Quote from: Alex on February 05, 2010, 12:47:52 PM
plx dude i dont wanna think u are that stupid to defend that bug which disabled effect of magic resist buffs, but in other way u simply dont realize whats going on xd
I think you don't realize difference between bug and new way
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 05, 2010, 02:11:59 PM
I think you don't realize difference between bug and new way
To be honest, this one is a bug.
But anyway, basically, to make sure a mage hits for around ~1.3k each hit you'll have to get something like this;
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/479/shot00081j.jpg
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/479/shot00081j.jpg)
Interesting, give back C3!
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 05, 2010, 02:11:59 PM
I think you don't realize difference between bug and new way
i wonder what meaning does your "new way" have, because it doesnt work neither like it should be with attribute system nor like it have worked before
Quote from: Alex on February 05, 2010, 04:19:56 PM
i wonder what meaning does your "new way" have, because it doesnt work neither like it should be with attribute system nor like it have worked before
cureently ALL resists, resist songs/dance, VAla, anty, frintezza, dnet sets, surrenders, vortexes, seeds, holy weapon, orc skill (forgot name) go to attributes status window
same as weapon attribute and armor attribute
this is the new way, yes it's shit, cause you don't have any more huge defece against mages with 0 attribute, you can only reduce damage from people with attributes in weapons, not reduce, but not allow them get bonuses from attributing
but .. well if noone wants to understand how it works now and use for himself, go cry ppl, i'm with you
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 05, 2010, 06:50:12 PM
cureently ALL resists, resist songs/dance, VAla, anty, frintezza, dnet sets, surrenders, vortexes, seeds, holy weapon, orc skill (forgot name) go to attributes status window
same as weapon attribute and armor attribute
this is the new way, yes it's shit, cause you don't have any more huge defece against mages with 0 attribute, you can only reduce damage from people with attributes in weapons, not reduce, but not allow them get bonuses from attributing
but .. well if noone wants to understand how it works now and use for himself, go cry ppl, i'm with you
Hmm i think i understand you some how but explain me: So for exemple if i dont have any part of set with Water resisatnce some skills like Aqua Guard, Aqua resist are useless ? coz i will not get any profit form it?
Quote from: Shreed on February 05, 2010, 07:06:05 PM
Hmm i think i understand you some how but explain me: So for exemple if i dont have any part of set with Water resisatnce some skills like Aqua Guard, Aqua resist are useless ? coz i will not get any profit form it?
all depends, if atacker has water attribute in weapon, and if he uses water attributed attack
if atacker is sps with +460 water on weapon and has seed of water, which makes him +480 water attack attribute you need to have at least
331 water defence, which is not possible w/o armor+atributes
if you have below 331 in such case sps gets additional +70% damage
what sux in this update, is that to have such high lvl resist against all elemetns you need to have 6 S,s80 sets with you, simple buffs/dances/songs won't help
the real shit is, you can not defend vs 450 weapon attribute (you need practicaly whole armor set on it - only 1 element)
and all of this buffs are now completely useless, for what this shit of +30 attribute on one stat? ok, it would be Not bad if max attribute on weapon would be 150
and here on DN since 1st week all people got max values on attributes,
why we even have exchange NPC ?? so that every moron can have max attribute?
and whoever made this system is idiot, not many people here know how it works, once you'll know, you'll see (yes, the what you got in 1st post is not a bug, It's how it works - big shit)
maybe the idea is OK, but whoever chose the numbers, i don't know if he could make it any worse than this ??
and next i want to add this update with UD is even more funny xD it's cause on dragon some clan made alot of tank/archers and they own idiots?? omg come infinity, see our clan of tank/archers, this class would get boosted to the max xD
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 05, 2010, 07:18:37 PM
all depends, if atacker has water attribute in weapon, and if he uses water attributed attack
if atacker is sps with +460 water on weapon and has seed of water, which makes him +480 water attack attribute you need to have at least
331 water defence, which is not possible w/o armor+atributes
if you have below 331 in such case sps gets additional +70% damage
what sux in this update, is that to have such high lvl resist against all elemetns you need to have 6 S,s80 sets with you, simple buffs/dances/songs won't help
Yhym i understand now how it works attributes works agianst attributes ok its np but i think that skills like aqua guard aqua resist should protect us more for water attacks not only for attribute part of attack. Now its look like:
SPS have for exemple Dyna Mace +Acu+3 + (whithout any attribute) he is using only HydroBlast
HE have for exmeple DNET Light Set (whithout any attribute) he is standing only
1. HE have no buffs - SPS is making dmg exacly 200
2 .HE have agua guard +aqua resist - SPS is making dmg the same 200
its OK ? i need answere only for this one question, TY
Quote from: Gloim on February 05, 2010, 08:46:05 PM
+power gives almosth nothing instead +atributte gives 10x more then +power is it normal ???
EDIT
btw: REPAIR atributes as resist ... ppl
atribute attack work foking strong and resit nothing ...(or remove atritutes effect at all it makes just sh1ts)
it make pvps even shorter , bps will be soon useless couse it will be few shot pvp
+1
Quote from: wildpussy on February 05, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
the real shit is, you can not defend vs 450 weapon attribute (you need practicaly whole armor set on it - only 1 element)
and all of this buffs are now completely useless, for what this shit of +30 attribute on one stat? ok, it would be Not bad if max attribute on weapon would be 150
and here on DN since 1st week all people got max values on attributes,
why we even have exchange NPC ?? so that every moron can have max attribute?
and whoever made this system is idiot, not many people here know how it works, once you'll know, you'll see (yes, the what you got in 1st post is not a bug, It's how it works - big shit)
maybe the idea is OK, but whoever chose the numbers, i don't know if he could make it any worse than this ??
and next i want to add this update with UD is even more funny xD it's cause on dragon some clan made alot of tank/archers and they own idiots?? omg come infinity, see our clan of tank/archers, this class would get boosted to the max xD
+1
This update with attributes really sux hard. Attributes should be removed at all...or nerfed a lot.
On the begining stones dropped almoust like varnish....and many ppl maked max attributes, and there is no chance to defend against it now.
Attributes should be nerfed, drop stay like it is now, and no exchange on npc....or the best remove it at all.
And make normal defend against it....couse now it's one big shit.
And I'm mage, so don't tell me than some fighter cry....I just see TOTALLY LACK OF SENSE in it, it's not CS.
Update with UD/SoF/FOI - just n/c....who had all those ideas ? some uber pro from x15 or smth ?
dude lol i can narrow this dmg (the 435 or w/e it was ) down to 200 or less not pet ofc. u just dont know the "how to "
and btw atribute system works fine u dont know how it works though obviously. maybe google and read about it .
as for the dmg thing i said (200 or less) , if u want prooves (anytime) just call noobskiller and give him the buffs he had when he was hitting u ...
ps ur not even close to full defense stance sorry :S
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 12:01:05 AM
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5462/shot00110.th.jpg) (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/shot00110.jpg/)(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1906/shot00111i.th.jpg) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/shot00111i.jpg/)
and now go hang urself, i swear ull go to criers paradise. As screens show, everything is so faking ok....
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 05, 2010, 06:50:12 PM
cureently ALL resists, resist songs/dance, VAla, anty, frintezza, dnet sets, surrenders, vortexes, seeds, holy weapon, orc skill (forgot name) go to attributes status window
same as weapon attribute and armor attribute
this is the new way, yes it's shit, cause you don't have any more huge defece against mages with 0 attribute, you can only reduce damage from people with attributes in weapons, not reduce, but not allow them get bonuses from attributing
but .. well if noone wants to understand how it works now and use for himself, go cry ppl, i'm with you
all magic nukes basically have attribute - thats why attribute worked for nukers from the beginning when nobody could enchant skills on attribute attack
only fighter skills not enchanted on attribute attack dont have any attribute + I was testing if magic resist buffs are working with necro who has lvl 9 dark attack in weapon and unholy protection didnt reduce damage at all.
Quote from: wildpussy on February 05, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
the real shit is, you can not defend vs 450 weapon attribute (you need practicaly whole armor set on it - only 1 element)
and all of this buffs are now completely useless, for what this shit of +30 attribute on one stat? ok, it would be Not bad if max attribute on weapon would be 150
and here on DN since 1st week all people got max values on attributes,
why we even have exchange NPC ?? so that every moron can have max attribute?
and whoever made this system is idiot, not many people here know how it works, once you'll know, you'll see (yes, the what you got in 1st post is not a bug, It's how it works - big shit)
maybe the idea is OK, but whoever chose the numbers, i don't know if he could make it any worse than this ??
and next i want to add this update with UD is even more funny xD it's cause on dragon some clan made alot of tank/archers and they own idiots?? omg come infinity, see our clan of tank/archers, this class would get boosted to the max xD
/agree about idiot part, but in other way: some of them think attributes are really working up to lvl 9 xD
Quote from: Sali on February 06, 2010, 12:58:52 AM
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5462/shot00110.th.jpg) (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/shot00110.jpg/)(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1906/shot00111i.th.jpg) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/shot00111i.jpg/)
and now go hang urself, i swear ull go to criers paradise. As screens show, everything is so faking ok....
ofc it is :) u had gloom and vortrex and i bet ur atribute vs dark is freaked up :) so its totally normal ... go read the "im totally noob, i add atribute on my weapon and i think i can 2shot ppl, but hey , how do i defend my ass vs other atributes" manual and cya around
btw who s crying lol
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 12:01:05 AM
dude lol i can narrow this dmg (the 435 or w/e it was ) down to 200 or less not pet ofc. u just dont know the "how to "
and btw atribute system works fine u dont know how it works though obviously. maybe google and read about it .
as for the dmg thing i said (200 or less) , if u want prooves (anytime) just call noobskiller and give him the buffs he had when he was hitting u ...
ps ur not even close to full defense stance sorry :S
Ahaha, it works fine? aha
I know how attribute system suppose to work in HB and it doesn't work like it should here, and the damage is bullshit.
But well, you only care about yourself and your necro anyway, all you want is some profit for yourself.
Anyways, go show it then, max defense setup in terms of buffs and M def, I'm interested... Oh, and no need to get some special stuff you wouldn't get on normal PvP's, since you would never have that anyway.
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 02:19:55 AM
ofc it is :) u had gloom and vortrex and i bet ur atribute vs dark is freaked up :) so its totally normal ... go read the "im totally noob, i add atribute on my weapon and i think i can 2shot ppl, but hey , how do i defend my ass vs other atributes" manual and cya around
btw who s crying lol
Lol'ed.
I doubt you actually know how it works and maybe remind us, who was crying before that he sucked so hard ingame and archers were critting him for 8k on hero UD? And now suddenly no more? Oh wait, your necro/pp got some awesome boost from this 'lol' attribute system and suddenly everything is fine... ok x)
Quote from: Furesy on February 06, 2010, 09:16:24 AM
bla bla bla qq
I doubt you actually know how it works
bla bla bla snif snif
ya i know how it works and works fine for me . so go figure out how it works as i did . archers now can run like hell so its pretty balanced for me . the only thing i would agree is pvp dmg reduction like 15% for all classes, so pvp lasts longer. btw u cry about 400 dmg in ur so called full m def- dark resist setup. what would satisfy ur ass 50 dmg ? gtfo
and no i dont care just about my char i care for balance. now that m crits rate is nerfed , taking 6k dmg magic crit on gloom and vortrex from a mage with m att setup and + 10 icarus is just fine. ye i talk about sali. and once more i bet he has no atribute resist vs dark cause he doesnt know how it works. as u dont as well...
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 12:18:27 PM
ya i know how it works and works fine for me . so go figure out how it works as i did . archers now can run like hell so its pretty balanced for me . the only thing i would agree is pvp dmg reduction like 15% for all classes, so pvp lasts longer. btw u cry about 400 dmg in ur so called full m def- dark resist setup. what would satisfy ur ass 50 dmg ? gtfo
and no i dont care just about my char i care for balance. now that m crits rate is nerfed , taking 6k dmg magic crit on gloom and vortrex from a mage with m att setup and + 10 icarus is just fine. ye i talk about sali. and once more i bet he has no atribute resist vs dark cause he doesnt know how it works. as u dont as well...
everyone who knows how it works, will know that THERE IS NO DEFENSE VS IT
You can defend vs -ONE- attribute, if your choice is dark, then you have ZERO (0, ZERO!!!) defense vs water/wind/earth/fire/holy
If you can manage to defend vs TWO attributes, then please Show me your stats window together with your Buffs
and as far as mages are concered now, IF before you thought that the damage is high, and you can resist it with buffs
Now there is NO RESIST BUFFS
If Before you would say: Damage from light vortex/Solar flare is high, But can be resisted with Divine/Holy protection, Now THERE IS NO MORE OF THIS
On the other hand, there is also NO SURRENDER ANYMORE,
However Necromancer has no surrender but has GLOOM
Which leads us to: Necromancer is the -THE BEST- Damage dealing mage at the moment
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:63g8UJ_wLoYJ:www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D122599+l2+elemental+enchant+150+attack+vs+120+defence&cd=2&hl=pl&ct=clnk&gl=pl&client=firefox-a
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1440/attackattributebreakpoiq.jpg
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:JmXd_eVqn1AJ:boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D202539+l2+elemental+enchant&cd=9&hl=pl&ct=clnk&gl=pl&client=firefox-a
its looks in Gracia
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 12:18:27 PM
blblalblalbnla
Quote from: wildpussy on February 06, 2010, 01:18:32 PM
he is right!
funny how dumb u are, but keep posting to make us more sure all u know about l2 is to get oe items and push f1. Anyway to prove ur wrong, i got 3 armore parts against unholy, unholy resistance, dance of aligment, frintezza, and dynasty set. And 7k? I think its faking clear any resists are not working, but ull keep posting ur cokcy comments how pro ur since we got bugged atribute system and finaly u can kill some1, but hey, we will see soon after some fixes, if ur come here to cry about op archers ;)
Quote from: Alex on February 06, 2010, 02:17:18 AM
I was testing if magic resist buffs are working with necro who has lvl 9 dark attack in weapon and unholy protection didnt reduce damage at all.
also you may test with 0 lvl (meaning not attributed weapon), unholy protection won't do any difference
to defend against high lvl attribute in weapon - you need attribute in armor + buffs
to defend against low lvl attribute, buffs can be enough
untill drake understands what he created, try to focking understand the system and use it (buy 6 S+ sets xD), there is no bug in it as it works, only "strange" idea of creators
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 12:18:27 PM
ya i know how it works and works fine for me .
This kinda states already how you think, yea it works fine for you since you're a Necro and it only works in your benefit.
And really, it's not hard to figure out how it works now, but how it works now is just plain stupid, and sure, let's not call it bugged, since the system now completely makes no sense.
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so go figure out how it works as i did . archers now can run like hell so its pretty balanced for me . the only thing i would agree is pvp dmg reduction like 15% for all classes, so pvp lasts longer. btw u cry about 400 dmg in ur so called full m def- dark resist setup. what would satisfy ur ass 50 dmg ? gtfo
Yea, 50 damage on full dark resist buff, which is only 1 element out of the 6 element that mage classes have, seems pretty ok to me, and this was like it was before. Since there's nobody on this server that will go PvP with 5 resists buffs for all 6 elements to protect themselves against mages, since then he has no more space left to even buff against fighters, let alone buff any attack buffs.
I played Necro also, and I did a lot of damage, only when people knew they were fighting me and buffed themselves against dark, for example Ensign, the only mage that gave me trouble back when I played my Necro, we were doing each other 150 dmg a nuke simply because we both were buffed properly against each other. Now, with this system, that's not even possible anymore since resists are useless.
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and no i dont care just about my char i care for balance. now that m crits rate is nerfed , taking 6k dmg magic crit on gloom and vortrex from a mage with m att setup and + 10 icarus is just fine. ye i talk about sali. and once more i bet he has no atribute resist vs dark cause he doesnt know how it works. as u dont as well...
You know shit really, and all you ever cared about is obviously yourself and your own char, you already proven that when you started that cry topic about archers in the first place with the most funny arguments lol
Resist buffs have become 100% useless because they don't do sh1t anymore, and like others already stated the only way to defend yourself against mage attacks like you could before with buffs.
Is getting 6x Dyna set and putting all armors with one attribute as defense and switch set during PvP 24/7 depending on what enemy you are fighting. Sounds like fun.
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 06, 2010, 02:31:06 PM
also you may test with 0 lvl (meaning not attributed weapon), unholy protection won't do any difference
to defend against high lvl attribute in weapon - you need attribute in armor + buffs
to defend against low lvl attribute, buffs can be enough
untill drake understands what he created, try to focking understand the system and use it (buy 6 S+ sets xD), there is no bug in it as it works, only "strange" idea of creators
i tested on weapon with low attribute and on weapon w/o attribute as well and still resists didnt reduce damage at all, and yes I had defense from dark attribute in my armor.
Resist buffs are useless now - they dont work
completely
surrender works fine test it some min ago. as for atributes im sick of this . i dont want to open ur eyes about this , i spend coins and time to figure out how to and ye it was pretty freaking hard to understand whats going on. i ressist succefully 2 atributes and going for 3rd one as soon as i get enough atribute stones/crystals. if u wanna test just lets redo the test u did with noobskiller, same buffs as u had and see the diference.
i ll probably explain to Track how its working and thats all (doubt he doesnt allready though)
PS the only thing not working is unholy and divine buffs , thats why u got this problem from necro
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
surrender works fine test it some min ago. as for atributes im sick of this . i dont want to open ur eyes about this , i spend coins and time to figure out how to and ye it was pretty freaking hard to understand whats going on. i ressist succefully 2 atributes and going for 3rd one as soon as i get enough atribute stones/crystals. if u wanna test just lets redo the test u did with noobskiller, same buffs as u had and see the diference.
i ll probably explain to Track how its working and thats all (doubt he doesnt allready though)
lol you donated already for 2 dnet sets and going for 3rd? xDDD
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
surrender works fine test it some min ago. as for atributes im sick of this . i dont want to open ur eyes about this , i spend coins and time to figure out how to and ye it was pretty freaking hard to understand whats going on. i ressist succefully 2 atributes and going for 3rd one as soon as i get enough atribute stones/crystals. if u wanna test just lets redo the test u did with noobskiller, same buffs as u had and see the diference.
i ll probably explain to Track how its working and thats all (doubt he doesnt allready though)
oh yes mr.knowthemall ;d ur evil experiments may bring us Frankenstein 2, keep doing good job bro!
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
surrender works fine test it some min ago. as for atributes im sick of this . i dont want to open ur eyes about this , i spend coins and time to figure out how to and ye it was pretty freaking hard to understand whats going on. i ressist succefully 2 atributes and going for 3rd one as soon as i get enough atribute stones/crystals. if u wanna test just lets redo the test u did with noobskiller, same buffs as u had and see the diference.
i ll probably explain to Track how its working and thats all (doubt he doesnt allready though)
PS the only thing not working is unholy and divine buffs , thats why u got this problem from necro
yea and i was wondering how its possible to lose to a noob when i was winning really great necros, while i simply was getting 100% damage from nukes instead of ~60% (unholy resist+tezza+DNET set)
fix nuke-resist buffs plx
I just cant understand 1 thing in that all attribute system in dn. How I can get 450 att in my AM when in HB max att lvl in weapon should be 150? o_O
NCSoft rise that lvl to 300 in gracia final but you should craft 1 crystal from 20 stones.
Quote from: Alex on February 06, 2010, 10:34:37 PM
yea and i was wondering how its possible to lose to a noob when i was winning really great necros, while i simply was getting 100% damage from nukes instead of ~60% (unholy resist+tezza+DNET set)
fix nuke-resist buffs plx
lol it aint working since 1-3 days smartass u still wont win the "noob"
Quote from: Sali on February 06, 2010, 10:32:24 PM
oh yes mr.knowthemall ;d ur evil experiments may bring us Frankenstein 2, keep doing good job bro!
butthurt?
Quote from: Curtis on February 06, 2010, 10:47:18 PM
I just cant understand 1 thing in that all attribute system in dn. How I can get 450 att in my AM when in HB max att lvl in weapon should be 150? o_O
NCSoft rise that lvl to 300 in gracia final but you should craft 1 crystal from 20 stones.
bcos its DN, how can u dont know it....
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 11:03:16 PM
butthurt?
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahah xD
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 12:01:05 AM
dude lol i can narrow this dmg (the 435 or w/e it was ) down to 200 or less not pet ofc. u just dont know the "how to "
you can lower damage from 435 to 200 only with m def buffs/item. resist can't help you this way
resist vs high lvl attributed weapons can make damage 100% instead of 170% (100/170= 59%, so from 435 you can lower only to 256)
you can't lower damage with resists below 100% (meaning if atacker has not attributed weapon, or your attr defence is higher than attackers attribute resists won't change anything)
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 06, 2010, 11:53:56 PM
you can lower damage from 435 to 200 only with m def buffs/item. resist can't help you this way
resist vs high lvl attributed weapons can make damage 100% instead of 170% (100/170= 59%, so from 435 you can lower only to 256)
you can't lower damage with resists below 100% (meaning if atacker has not attributed weapon, or your attr defence is higher than attackers attribute resists won't change anything)
stop waste ur time, ur talking to wall :o
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this shows that dark vortex has base 20 attribute (translated with babelfish)
death spike 20 darkness attribute
vamp claw 20 dark
guess all other classes have skills with basic 20 attribute
so giving resist buffs, it target has no attribute in weapon, has not attack attribute buffs, should decrease damage
"the cow the reel which will cry is big"
lol translator ;D
resists are working again! win.
Quote from: Alex on February 08, 2010, 11:22:53 AM
resists are working again! win.
now they give elemetnal damage resist, elemental attribute bonus, + power enchant routes work
and also, now activated protections (elemental and alingment) give really huge bonuses
so basically:
220 (activated prot of elem) + 90 (1 armor piece) + 30 (eleme prot) +30 resist buff is enought to lower bonus damage to 40% (75+ attribut) even if attaker has 480 atck attribute (460 on weapon+20 from skill)
vs dark/holy a bit worse, cause activation bonus is lower, only 120, so 140 instead of 200
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 08, 2010, 07:34:00 PM
now they give elemetnal damage resist, elemental attribute bonus, + power enchant routes work
and also, now activated protections (elemental and alingment) give really huge bonuses
so basically:
220 (activated prot of elem) + 90 (1 armor piece) + 30 (eleme prot) +30 resist buff is enought to lower bonus damage to 40% (75+ attribut) even if attaker has 480 atck attribute (460 on weapon+20 from skill)
vs dark/holy a bit worse, cause activation bonus is lower, only 120, so 140 instead of 200
so? my pw/sws cant enchant resists on power and i didnt learn elemental/alignment FS, the topic was about completely disabled effect of resist buffs, it works now tho so dont worry lets forget u were wrong!
Quote from: Alex on February 08, 2010, 07:51:43 PM
so? my pw/sws cant enchant resists on power and i didnt learn elemental/alignment FS, the topic was about completely disabled effect of resist buffs, it works now tho so dont worry lets forget u were wrong!
he only gave info what they do now, what's with the "so?" lol
emh....
protection of element and allignement shouldn't give bonus in attr windows?
couse i tested yday and this morning, and when they trigger they give no bonus at all
protection of rune yes, works good
element and allignement 0 bonus
i tested yesterday at night, they give +120 defense when they trigger, idk whats wrong with you.
Quote from: Alex on February 09, 2010, 09:12:43 AM
i tested yesterday at night, they give +120 defense when they trigger, idk whats wrong with you.
xuy
:/
ps: forgot to say: server infinity
kk more test (and screen if problem will show again) tonight
hm.. tested right now
elemental gives +120 to 4 elements (maybe yday was wrong, but think it was +200, but anyway tonight was update 100%)
alingments gives +120 to dark/ligh
btw, pp buff elemental protection gives +30 to water/wing/water and +20 to earth....
OMG
dont' tell me i m bugged !!!!
T_T
Actually is too much resists.!
And wtf Frintezza pown necro so much , 15% is just INSANE!
Quote from: NYPD on February 09, 2010, 11:39:06 AM
Actually is too much resists.!
And wtf Frintezza pown necro so much , 15% is just INSANE!
(http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/cry-baby-girl-face.jpg)
last night i was hitting kastro without frintezza for 1600 and with for 1000. dmg dif is HUGE.
as for attribute status on a char dunno if it just changes the number or actually gives the real effect. test for example a fighter with holy on his weapon. then give ur self holy resist buff. attribute number in status change but the dmg from the fighter remains the same.
smth else a resist buff gives u like 30 resist attribute points. so adding like 150 more resist points from an armor should reduce the dmg a alot. but no... the dif is so small but u see a lot of dif from the reist buff points u get in attribute status . is that normal?
Quote from: lucifsg on February 10, 2010, 04:35:27 AM
last night i was hitting kastro without frintezza for 1600 and with for 1000. dmg dif is HUGE.
as for attribute status on a char dunno if it just changes the number or actually gives the real effect. test for example a fighter with holy on his weapon. then give ur self holy resist buff. attribute number in status change but the dmg from the fighter remains the same.
smth else a resist buff gives u like 30 resist attribute points. so adding like 150 more resist points from an armor should reduce the dmg a alot. but no... the dif is so small but u see a lot of dif from the reist buff points u get in attribute status . is that normal?
stop writing bullshit
adding some number does not matter
you can add 10 (0+10 vs 150) and resuce damage a lot, or add 300 (0+300 vs 451), and not reduce at all
ALL DEPENDS ON DIFFERENCE between atack value and defence value
Quote from: lucifsg on February 10, 2010, 04:35:27 AM
last night i was hitting kastro without frintezza for 1600 and with for 1000. dmg dif is HUGE.
as for attribute status on a char dunno if it just changes the number or actually gives the real effect. test for example a fighter with holy on his weapon. then give ur self holy resist buff. attribute number in status change but the dmg from the fighter remains the same.
smth else a resist buff gives u like 30 resist attribute points. so adding like 150 more resist points from an armor should reduce the dmg a alot. but no... the dif is so small but u see a lot of dif from the reist buff points u get in attribute status . is that normal?
nerf me baby
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 10, 2010, 10:39:00 AM
stop writing bullshit
adding some number does not matter
you can add 10 (0+10 vs 150) and resuce damage a lot, or add 300 (0+300 vs 451), and not reduce at all
ALL DEPENDS ON DIFFERENCE between atack value and defence value
dont try to talk with wall..again
wtb 10k jewels !!!! wanna lvl 9 again :D
Quote from: flamingAwe on February 10, 2010, 10:39:00 AM
stop writing bullshit
adding some number does not matter
you can add 10 (0+10 vs 150) and resuce damage a lot, or add 300 (0+300 vs 451), and not reduce at all
ALL DEPENDS ON DIFFERENCE between atack value and defence value
dude did u read my post ? whats the bullshit about ? im saying 2 dif things. 1st about frintezza that it gives huge bonus and second that attribute status may change but u dont see the real difference sometimes. like holy attacks vs holy resist buffs.
ur right about this part though :
you can add 10 (0+10 vs 150) and resuce damage a lot, or add 300 (0+300 vs 451), and not reduce at all
ALL DEPENDS ON DIFFERENCE between atack value and defence value
Quote from: lucifsg on February 10, 2010, 11:26:18 AM
dude did u read my post ? whats the bullshit about ? im saying 2 dif things. 1st about frintezza that it gives huge bonus and second that attribute status may change but u dont see the real difference sometimes. like holy attacks vs holy resist buffs.
ur right about this part though :
you can add 10 (0+10 vs 150) and resuce damage a lot, or add 300 (0+300 vs 451), and not reduce at all
ALL DEPENDS ON DIFFERENCE between atack value and defence value
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 02:19:55 AM
so its totally normal ... go read the "im totally noob, i add atribute on my weapon and i think i can 2shot ppl, but hey , how do i defend my ass vs other atributes" manual and cya around
btw who s crying lol
Quote from: lucifsg on February 06, 2010, 12:18:27 PM
ya i know how it works and works fine for me .
Not anymore now?
Quote from: lucifsg on February 10, 2010, 04:35:27 AM
last night i was hitting kastro without frintezza for 1600 and with for 1000. dmg dif is HUGE.
as for attribute status on a char dunno if it just changes the number or actually gives the real effect. test for example a fighter with holy on his weapon. then give ur self holy resist buff. attribute number in status change but the dmg from the fighter remains the same.
smth else a resist buff gives u like 30 resist attribute points. so adding like 150 more resist points from an armor should reduce the dmg a alot. but no... the dif is so small but u see a lot of dif from the reist buff points u get in attribute status . is that normal?
http://www.break.com/index/sleeping-dog-runs-into-wall.html (http://www.break.com/index/sleeping-dog-runs-into-wall.html)
nightmareeeeeeeee