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Title: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 19, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
?? We could see on last pvp and sieges??  Unbelivable  range  of that kind of skills. I think now we can make mass pvps without  skills because  2 mages party can use it all the time,  and one skill can eliminate all clan or even ally.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: slimx on April 19, 2010, 09:45:57 PM
well there is smth strange about this skills range , it has a much bigger radius than the bubble itselfs from what i've seen  ???
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Neozinhu on April 20, 2010, 06:08:21 AM
Raging Waves have one normal range if compared with gehenaa i think . . . i tried to do it some times in last sieges and got the "u're far" msg (dont remember exactly now =X). .  .



About Dmg...those symbols are supposed to do high dmg....but not that high (remember that dark atacks are fcked up bcuz of the atributes)
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: seboulba on April 20, 2010, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: slimx on April 19, 2010, 09:45:57 PM
well there is smth strange about this skills range , it has a much bigger radius than the bubble itselfs from what i've seen  ???

ofc its total bugged buble was on the middle of the brigde and i was on the second way from the water i got hit by her XD
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Pawciu on April 20, 2010, 09:54:10 AM
that's skill have range, don't worry  ;)
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: kuko on April 20, 2010, 10:09:40 AM
Quote from: Pawciu on April 20, 2010, 09:54:10 AM
that's skill have range, don't worry  ;)
Yeah, but it's not correct one.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: seboulba on April 20, 2010, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: Pawciu on April 20, 2010, 09:54:10 AM
that's skill have range, don't worry  ;)

and go check in offi when u make this buble u are supposed not move during the skills :)
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: trooperXkoki on April 20, 2010, 11:35:13 AM
Quote from: seboulba on April 20, 2010, 10:21:33 AM
and go check in offi when u make this buble u are supposed not move during the skills :)
good morning
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 20, 2010, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: MrLethal on April 20, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
Stop QQ ahaha muhaha XD
Its not QQ , just smth is wrong  with that skill  ( range more than 600 with dmg 10k ,  much  faster reuse than foi etc..).
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: chlipus on April 20, 2010, 06:15:39 PM
Quote from: Mab on April 20, 2010, 05:11:14 PM
Its not QQ , just smth is wrong  with that skill  ( range more than 600 with dmg 10k ,  much  faster reuse than foi etc..).

stop QQ and learn how to play with this skill
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Pawciu on April 20, 2010, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: seboulba on April 20, 2010, 10:21:33 AM
and go check in offi when u make this buble u are supposed not move during the skills :)

in official u can use this skills w/o any Spell Force
as i saw in last siege i couldn't move during raging waves so i push Esc  ;) (but mby i am wrong)
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Weezer on April 20, 2010, 08:21:47 PM
Quote from: Pawciu on April 20, 2010, 07:51:16 PM
in official u can use this skills w/o any Spell Force
as i saw in last siege i couldn't move during raging waves so i push Esc  ;) (but mby i am wrong)

Skills without Spell Force r Gracia features, not IL.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Alex on April 20, 2010, 08:58:15 PM
There is a bug to use ranged symbols on any range. Btw track if u read this check symbol of noise - it casts on yourself only while it should be ranged like cyclone, volcano etc. Quite funny when u want to cancel enemies dances/songs and instead cancel your own.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Alex on April 21, 2010, 12:34:00 AM
stalker.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Pawciu on April 21, 2010, 05:58:04 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 20, 2010, 08:58:15 PM
There is a bug to use ranged symbols on any range. Btw track if u read this check symbol of noise - it casts on yourself only while it should be ranged like cyclone, volcano etc. Quite funny when u want to cancel enemies dances/songs and instead cancel your own.

lol i know, in official isn't IL, there is gracia epilogue (so w/o spells)
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: emek on April 22, 2010, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on April 22, 2010, 08:55:22 AM
i wonder if it will be fixed how u will win sieges  :-\
same way as we won siege w/o gehenna :)
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Arhangell on April 22, 2010, 04:00:58 PM
learn how to stop it or make it faster... it was funny look when all near Giran main gate from pride+cb die in 4s xD
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Pawciu on April 22, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on April 22, 2010, 08:55:22 AM
i wonder if it will be fixed how u will win sieges  :-\
how u will win siege w/o seal of ruler bugg (3s engrave)  :D
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Pawciu on April 22, 2010, 07:25:29 PM
Quote from: Ungolianth on April 22, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
u tell it like i am on pride or cb side pawciu...i fight all :)

i know u aren't  ;)
my words were for Pride ally  ;D RR
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 23, 2010, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: chlipus on April 20, 2010, 06:15:39 PM
stop QQ and learn how to play with this skill
Its not The Pride  or learn how to fight with that skill  - look range ( not cast range but Dmg range)
I saw you cast spell far away from enemies because if someone hit you  as  i do :P you faild with gehenna
but  range of buble is amazing..... i was  about 500-600  away from bubble and get dmg  10k.And reuse skill is  faster than Foi too, we had problem with 4 Ols  casting Foi all the time a year ago, now we have mages with  gehenna.
And btw  i think serwer is dying beacouse new players cant play. Why  ?
raids lvl 25> are killed  by  bot chars  ty/de deleveled and lot of farmers in here. Imagine  you making  new clan on serwer and you cant kill   raids  because  all are  well farmed by 1  ty/de  + support (all bosses + golkonda Toi). We have no problem with qst golkas. But i saw 40 lvl ty/de with S grade weapon killing  raid lvl 40. Why he can hit that raid with penalty  ?? And  why  2 ty/de + dual boxes can farm all raids  on serwer ? maby reflect dmg or ...... I dont know. Maby community have  something to tell abut  it  because we need  new players here,and they dont want to play because they can only farm  moons and mahums.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 23, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: Pawciu on April 22, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
how u will win siege w/o seal of ruler bugg (3s engrave)  :D
Omg  :P  poor g@y  QQ
If its  a bug you used it since 6 month and didnt report it ? soo pro like a good Temp
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Neozinhu on April 25, 2010, 12:18:28 AM
Quote from: Mab on April 23, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
Omg  :P  poor g@y  QQ
If its  a bug you used it since 6 month and didnt report it ? soo pro like a good Temp
and he tried today also...twice...  ;D
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 25, 2010, 07:23:12 PM
look this  one screen : http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1135/gehenna.png
DMG and Range. What you think ?

And 2cnd   better : (http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4964/gehenna2.th.png) (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/gehenna2.png/)
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: 666VeNoM on April 26, 2010, 03:36:14 PM
funny thing is, my gehenna dont have this bug.

I only hit ppl inside bubble.

wonder why temps gehenna have this bug...  ::)
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: kuko on April 26, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: 666VeNoM on April 26, 2010, 03:36:14 PM
funny thing is, my gehenna dont have this bug.

I only hit ppl inside bubble.

wonder why temps gehenna have this bug...  ::)
buged for me too
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 26, 2010, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: DarkMagician on April 26, 2010, 03:50:17 PM
asperan is alive so there is no bug, about others maybe they were killed before that  ;D
I was there  and i saw  it. Look first screen.
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1135/gehenna.png
Maybe  he died  few  seconds later , as we know  gehenna gives  dmg  per second not all the time. If he survived first hit he probably died  in next one .
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Neozinhu on April 26, 2010, 05:51:38 PM
Quote from: DarkMagician on April 26, 2010, 05:43:39 PM
when u make gehenna and we die we dont say nothing, its not a bug, its fine as it is
what a non sense reply. . .


we arent talking about who die with gehenna....we're talking about bugged dmg range...and u can see @ screen that its rly wrong...

So...the skill need a fix @ range (dmg is uber...but its supposed to be like this anyway)

Mr. ialwaysQQthatu'remorethanuswhenwelose

Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Neozinhu on April 26, 2010, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: DarkMagician on April 26, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
N/C MAKE BETTER BUFF! with good buff i take from ftrjin and other's gehenna 1200 dmg max and crit 5k so stop QQ about that its like other skills - put appropriate buff
Learn to read LOL

Quote from: Neozinhu on April 26, 2010, 05:51:38 PM
what a non sense reply. . .


we arent talking about who die with gehenna....we're talking about bugged dmg range...and u can see @ screen that its rly wrong...

So...the skill need a fix @ range (dmg is uber...but its supposed to be like this anyway)


Mr. ialwaysQQthatu'remorethanuswhenwelose




What a stupid guy...wtf
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Pawciu on April 26, 2010, 06:20:38 PM
for me range is good :D
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Neozinhu on April 26, 2010, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: DarkMagician on April 26, 2010, 06:43:57 PM
@= and?
at
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: 666VeNoM on April 27, 2010, 07:36:48 PM
mostly u have to buff against dark & water, cuz 90% of mages on server are NE/XX or SPS/XX.

thats what i do and works great. I dont complain about gehenna (long time since I dont get killed by it), but if there is so many ppl complaining its because mayb there is something wrong.

about dmg, its normal, specially for users with S80 weapons + dnet set.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: kuko on April 27, 2010, 07:40:00 PM
I'll repeat it one more time.
Damage is ok.
Range is totally buged.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Neozinhu on April 28, 2010, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: kuko on April 27, 2010, 07:40:00 PM
I'll repeat it one more time.
Damage is ok.
Range is totally buged.
this is the thing that we just need to quote  :P
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: jygh on April 28, 2010, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Pawciu on April 26, 2010, 06:20:38 PM
for me range is good :D
yeah for me too xD gtfo all QQers or reroll to necro for siege's u complain about everything MI on oly th skills soon u ll cry about expensive gk ><  with 24 buffs slots+12 for dance/songs i was hiting ppls for 150-400 so now gtfo xD
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: seboulba on April 28, 2010, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: jygh on April 28, 2010, 05:26:14 PM
yeah for me too xD gtfo all QQers or reroll to necro for siege's u complain about everything MI on oly th skills soon u ll cry about expensive gk ><  with 24 buffs slots+12 for dance/songs i was hiting ppls for 150-400 so now gtfo xD

WTB BUFF BAR FROM GRACIA AND NECRO WILL QQ
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: voudas69 on April 28, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
first my friend on ur screen shot u got GLOOM and its the GLOOM i did to u.... and after u gloom quess what I HIT U not my gehhena.... and for the ppl who dont know how this works.... u start spelling gehhena and u cant move for few seconts... then the casting skill finish and u can move but ur gehhena its still there... if u interapt me it will just not long that much..... but again i can move... soo i cast gehhena i finish i kill u (noob) and u die by me soo the range looks fine :P also... if u move from cyrcle u still gone die coz u was in its like a curse.... ofcurse u maybe dont die coz u get low dmg.... but the best to survive is not to be in the bubble... and yeah it have a very little range more than the bubble.... now its stupid giving u all that infos.... but u are crying non stop to nerf a skill that need skills to do it.... its not that easy to do it in 900 range away from 100 ppl coming or waiting to kill u..... about the dmg... wtf should i do ? i make my resists but always there is not enought space to fit all the resist... soo dark reist ? or aqua ressist? or fire?  its ur choice.... and pls respect the fct that its freaking hard to make that gehhena and dont try to nerf it.... try to do it.... see ya....
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: abbyssdancer on April 28, 2010, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: voudas69 on April 28, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
first my friend on ur screen shot u got GLOOM and its the GLOOM i did to u.... and after u gloom quess what I HIT U not my gehhena.... and for the ppl who dont know how this works.... u start spelling gehhena and u cant move for few seconts... then the casting skill finish and u can move but ur gehhena its still there... if u interapt me it will just not long that much..... but again i can move... soo i cast gehhena i finish i kill u (noob) and u die by me soo the range looks fine :P also... if u move from cyrcle u still gone die coz u was in its like a curse.... ofcurse u maybe dont die coz u get low dmg.... but the best to survive is not to be in the bubble... and yeah it have a very little range more than the bubble.... now its stupid giving u all that infos.... but u are crying non stop to nerf a skill that need skills to do it.... its not that easy to do it in 900 range away from 100 ppl coming or waiting to kill u..... about the dmg... wtf should i do ? i make my resists but always there is not enought space to fit all the resist... soo dark reist ? or aqua ressist? or fire?  its ur choice.... and pls respect the fct that its freaking hard to make that gehhena and dont try to nerf it.... try to do it.... see ya....
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: kuko on April 28, 2010, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: voudas69 on April 28, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
first my friend on ur screen shot u got GLOOM and its the GLOOM i did to u.... and after u gloom quess what I HIT U not my gehhena.... and for the ppl who dont know how this works.... u start spelling gehhena and u cant move for few seconts... then the casting skill finish and u can move but ur gehhena its still there... if u interapt me it will just not long that much..... but again i can move... soo i cast gehhena i finish i kill u (noob) and u die by me soo the range looks fine :P also... if u move from cyrcle u still gone die coz u was in its like a curse.... ofcurse u maybe dont die coz u get low dmg.... but the best to survive is not to be in the bubble... and yeah it have a very little range more than the bubble.... now its stupid giving u all that infos.... but u are crying non stop to nerf a skill that need skills to do it.... its not that easy to do it in 900 range away from 100 ppl coming or waiting to kill u..... about the dmg... wtf should i do ? i make my resists but always there is not enought space to fit all the resist... soo dark reist ? or aqua ressist? or fire?  its ur choice.... and pls respect the fct that its freaking hard to make that gehhena and dont try to nerf it.... try to do it.... see ya....
I agree with you, but range is still buged
we can test it whenever you want
and once again that topic is for buged range not how to be buffed or whatever
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: voudas69 on April 29, 2010, 04:31:30 AM
Quote from: kuko on April 28, 2010, 11:01:02 PM
I agree with you, but range is still buged
we can test it whenever you want
and once again that topic is for buged range not how to be buffed or whatever
well my friend i just gave a point to the screenshot... coz the range its not sooo freaking long for sure....
i better dont say more coz i am drunk :d (just came back from work :D )
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 29, 2010, 07:38:46 AM
Quote from: voudas69 on April 29, 2010, 04:31:30 AM
well my friend i just gave a point to the screenshot... coz the range its not sooo freaking long for sure....
i better dont say more coz i am drunk :d (just came back from work :D )
As i remember we stay  all  in positions soo i  didn't  run away from gehenna
I didn't get direct hit from you ! Same like  other  ppl on screen (died by gehenna  with  huge range) .And you are invisible  and you went  on siege  inside  w8ing for you ppl  put on them all  gloom next gehenna and killed  them ?
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: trooperXkoki on April 29, 2010, 08:47:47 AM
Quote from: kuko on April 28, 2010, 11:01:02 PM
I agree with you, but range is still buged
and once again that topic is for buged range
Bag report section
stop spam here
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: kuko on April 29, 2010, 08:52:40 AM
Quote from: trooperXkoki on April 29, 2010, 08:47:47 AM
Bag report section
stop spam here
I'm not the creator of that topic.
Also I'm not spaming.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: trooperXkoki on April 29, 2010, 08:54:43 AM
Quote from: kuko on April 29, 2010, 08:52:40 AM
I'm not the creator of that topic.
Also I'm not spaming.
but you try to explain, spammer
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: voudas69 on April 29, 2010, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: Mab on April 29, 2010, 07:38:46 AM
As i remember we stay  all  in positions soo i  didn't  run away from gehenna
I didn't get direct hit from you ! Same like  other  ppl on screen (died by gehenna  with  huge range) .And you are invisible  and you went  on siege  inside  w8ing for you ppl  put on them all  gloom next gehenna and killed  them ?
how do u know i didnt hit u ? can u see me at screen shot ? from where i was coming ?and who land u the gloom then if u didnt get direct hit by me ? man we are not stupid..... make a better ss next time....

nerf gehenna ? why dont u nerf ee heal .... why he can heal his self better than a bishop ?why dont u nerf uds? archer/tank ???? range + p def? why ?  and not only one ud 4 for 2-3 minites u cant make more than 50-100 dmg.... WTF? and finaly nerf tankmages.... alla noobs who die easy they go and make a tank..... gg..... tankage2
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 29, 2010, 02:10:23 PM
LoL  You always can write next time make better ss. As you can see its a discussion about range. Do you know what is that range ?
And stop flame  your Tempzoor  spam like:
"why dont u nerf ee heal .... why he can heal his self better than a bishop ?why dont u nerf uds? archer/tank ? range + p def? why ?  and not only one ud 4 for 2-3 minites u cant make more than 50-100 dmg.... WTF? and finaly nerf tankmages.... alla noobs who die easy they go and make a tank..... gg..... tankage2"
Screens are good and all ppl on screens know what killed them.You think we are stupid "how do u know i didnt hit u ? can u see me at screen shot ? from where i was coming ?and who land u the gloom then if u didnt get direct hit by me ? " Someone land as  gloom and you make gehenna  thats all. Range of that skill is strange thats it.
I dont understand why you getting mad about it.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: voudas69 on April 29, 2010, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: Mab on April 29, 2010, 02:10:23 PM
LoL  You always can write next time make better ss. As you can see its a discussion about range. Do you know what is that range ?
And stop flame  your Tempzoor  spam like:
"why dont u nerf ee heal .... why he can heal his self better than a bishop ?why dont u nerf uds? archer/tank ? range + p def? why ?  and not only one ud 4 for 2-3 minites u cant make more than 50-100 dmg.... WTF? and finaly nerf tankmages.... alla noobs who die easy they go and make a tank..... gg..... tankage2"
Screens are good and all ppl on screens know what killed them.You think we are stupid "how do u know i didnt hit u ? can u see me at screen shot ? from where i was coming ?and who land u the gloom then if u didnt get direct hit by me ? " Someone land as  gloom and you make gehenna  thats all. Range of that skill is strange thats it.
I dont understand why you getting mad about it.
my dear friend i am not getting mad just the screanshot aint showing the range coz gehenna FOR SURE dont have that far range...
and yes u talking about a skill with a weird range and i responce to this that the range is fine compare with the heal that one EE can make... thats all.... now why are u getting mad?
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on April 29, 2010, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: voudas69 on April 29, 2010, 05:14:05 PM
my dear friend i am not getting mad just the screanshot aint showing the range coz gehenna FOR SURE dont have that far range...
and yes u talking about a skill with a weird range and i responce to this that the range is fine compare with the heal that one EE can make... thats all.... now why are u getting mad?
no im not :)
I think we must ask GM what is range  to solve problem.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: ZEFEROT on April 30, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: Mab on April 29, 2010, 05:21:55 PM
no im not :)
I think we must ask GM what is range  to solve problem.

If it would be any problem, GM would already nerf or remake it :P
p.s.: He might even don't know what is it's range and how it must work :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Sephiroth on April 30, 2010, 09:58:58 PM
Quote from: voudas69 on April 29, 2010, 05:14:05 PM
my dear friend i am not getting mad just the screanshot aint showing the range coz gehenna FOR SURE dont have that far range...
and yes u talking about a skill with a weird range and i responce to this that the range is fine compare with the heal that one EE can make... thats all.... now why are u getting mad?

Cos it's bugged and it must be fixed,easy to understand.
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on June 09, 2010, 09:48:52 AM
Still something is wrong.
range should be the same as  bubble range  nothing more !
Track can you told as what is that range  ? couse i was  about 500 from center and getting dmg.
Why we cant get  sniper symbol  if we are  more than 250 from center  and gehenna killed as  more than 500 , its  the same kinds of skill like  noise  etc....
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on June 09, 2010, 10:03:06 AM
Quote from: voudas69 on April 29, 2010, 05:14:05 PM
my dear friend i am not getting mad just the screanshot aint showing the range coz gehenna FOR SURE dont have that far range...
and yes u talking about a skill with a weird range and i responce to this that the range is fine compare with the heal that one EE can make... thats all.... now why are u getting mad?
BTW  you think i made that screens  with  paint to show my Art  ? or to show  i died  by gehenna  with 600 + dmg range ?
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: trooperXkoki on June 09, 2010, 10:06:21 AM
okeeeeeeeey its bugged, then why your clan and ex-alliance was making 5-6bubles at same time?

why u just fakin simply stop use it when it is bugged?....yee others use it, other exploit, but you do the same, you exploit too.
So shaaat up and die in peace
pussssssssies
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on June 09, 2010, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: trooperXkoki on June 09, 2010, 10:06:21 AM
okeeeeeeeey its bugged, then why your clan and ex-alliance was making 5-6bubles at same time?

why u just fakin simply stop use it when it is bugged?....yee others use it, other exploit, but you do the same, you exploit too.
So shaaat up and die in peace
pussssssssies
lol  just think about what yo wrote nub :)
we are playing with that skill as well as we can-topic is for Your clan not for as   we want  gehenna range +800 range....
Same as we want  Foi  fast reuse......
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: Mab on June 09, 2010, 12:14:33 PM
Gm  we rly need your opinion : do something and tell as what is  that  range, because  its not like a  noise and  defense and other skills
If its not  bubble range tell as what is that range ............. ?? 1367 visits on that topic and we cant get answer  
Title: Re: Gehenna range ?
Post by: trooperXkoki on June 09, 2010, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: Mab on June 09, 2010, 12:14:33 PM
Gm  we rly need your opinion : do something and tell as what is  that  range, because  its not like a  noise and  defense and other skills
If its not  bubble range tell as what is that range ............. ?? 1367 visits on that topic and we cant get answer  
do you see that gm ignore you? can you stfu now?