Is the rule about 2 chars per pc available? And how will a gm know if its different machines?Cuz i have pc on DSL and laptop on Wireless. They both get same ip's sometime because they use 2 separate routs ( one normal, one wireless) and sometimes i get ip conflict problems. Need someone to clarrify this for me.
I have almost the same problem: we have big LAN with few 9-floor buildings in there and they all use 2 100 mbit internet connections with traffic balancing. External IPs are the same for all those (about 70-100 PCs). Me and 2 my friends are playing here and my bro will start too after exams. Will we be banned for quadro-boxing? And what if any of my friends will use l2walker? All characters who logged in from LAN will be banned???
P. S. To fix IP conflict set IP manually in network connection properties or configure your routers to assign IPs from different ranges.
I talked to Torn and Descent about that very thing ingame... they said that they won't ban without checking first to see if there are really more than one player. as long as nobody goes afk for a long time with their char on follow, you should be ok. as for the walker problem, IDK. maybe they can dig deeper than the IP, I know I heard somewhere that individual pc's have another "ip" address that they can check if they are willing to push just a few more buttons...
Yes, every PC have external IP (visible from internet, the IP of router) and internal IP (IP in lan, not visible from the internet). I don't think that GMs can see internal IP if it's not transmitted by LA2 client itself. And as far as I know it's not. The same for MAC address.
What if someone will make shop and go afk? We played on Infinity about year ago and there was no problems... but here new GMs and new rules.
one of my friends used to be a GM, and said they could find the MAC address (thanks for reminding me what he called it :) ), but then he was on official, that might make a difference. as for setting shop, thank goodness we have the offline shop option! I use it, and it's the best new thing in the game! I wish every server would get it, I might play more on Arena, even go back to Dragon15 once in a while... :)
Quote from: Astr0 on June 09, 2010, 11:58:36 PM
we have big LAN with few 9-floor buildings in there and they all use 2 100 mbit internet connections with traffic balancing. External IPs are the same for all those (about 70-100 PCs).
In my town there is one big LAN with just 1 External IP ( around 2k people) . I just hope they dont play here :D
bump, waiting for gm answer pls
when you are checked for more than dual box, we check ip first but we also look at char behaviour. if there are truly 4 chars from 2 computers even if 2 are dualbox 2 should behave like normal players not box / follow
And what about afk / shop in town?
And what about ban for l2walker? In some topic you said that first you ban bots and add all players who logged in from that IP to watch list.
If anyone will bot from this IP again you will ban all those characters. Am I right?
Quote from: jailaa on June 08, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
This is your one and only warning ! We will ban ALL accounts logged from that IP !
Like I said : if your brother / sister / mother / father / friend or pet is playing on the same lan, have them stop or they will get you banned too. No excuses of this type will be accepted.
Ofc we can kick his a$$ in RL after first ban, but that won't 100% guarantee that he will stop botting... So if someone will get 2 bans for bot from the same IP than players from the whole LAN will get ban, even if he never logged in using their accounts. Seems not fair :(
Can't you check hardware ID / MAC address of individual PC?
Quote from: jailaa on June 10, 2010, 10:11:25 AM
when you are checked for more than dual box, we check ip first but we also look at char behaviour. if there are truly 4 chars from 2 computers even if 2 are dualbox 2 should behave like normal players not box / follow
I mean, can i have dualbox on my computer, and keep one buffer on my laptop?Im not talking about l2w....just logging chars.
Quote from: ChillyWilly on June 10, 2010, 12:52:22 AM
one of my friends used to be a GM, and said they could find the MAC address (thanks for reminding me what he called it :) ), but then he was on official, that might make a difference. as for setting shop, thank goodness we have the offline shop option! I use it, and it's the best new thing in the game! I wish every server would get it, I might play more on Arena, even go back to Dragon15 once in a while... :)
MAC cannot be seen if u are behind router. Well it's depend what set's router has, but those thinks are reject most of time for lan security. So i can log 10 bots to farm at different place`s. in 5 partys with 2 ppl and all will be ok? Also walker is old stuff. There is better ones wich ppl start to use. And dear Jailla on those programs screenshot wont help u :). U know what i mean don't u? Soulution is bot protection, but far as i know that protection is for login server not game server. So drake wont put that protection on DN. If he don't want to destroy servers totally. This is the true, but nobody wanna accept it :) cheers
Quote from: Nabz0r on June 10, 2010, 02:27:32 PM
I mean, can i have dualbox on my computer, and keep one buffer on my laptop?Im not talking about l2w....just logging chars.
bump bump...need answer
it might have been better if they had stated the rule as: "no more than 2 windows per person" rather than per pc :) anyway, it was made pretty clear that that was what was meant.
Quote from: ChillyWilly on June 11, 2010, 05:33:30 AM
it might have been better if they had stated the rule as: "no more than 2 windows per person" rather than per pc :) anyway, it was made pretty clear that that was what was meant.
I know chilly, but the rule is no dualbox, on dragon i had no problem with this, cuz in woa,catas i had my wc on my laptop, like i do now. But as someone said, stop checking and put pressure on the players who take one more char with them in catas, concentrate on bs l2w, and l2w spoilers. Those are the ones go get an unfair advantage. Me doing my 3rd with my bp aswell, how is that an unfair advantage to others, or what harm do i do to others? Im not botting or anything.
pay 2 euro or was dollar buy seccond ip and u can play on 1 main + 3 support from two different IP`s. What will do GM in this case? It's not illega if we look on rules :)
Quote from: Nabz0r on June 11, 2010, 12:58:16 PM
I know chilly, but the rule is no dualbox, on dragon i had no problem with this, cuz in woa,catas i had my wc on my laptop, like i do now. But as someone said, stop checking and put pressure on the players who take one more char with them in catas, concentrate on bs l2w, and l2w spoilers. Those are the ones go get an unfair advantage. Me doing my 3rd with my bp aswell, how is that an unfair advantage to others, or what harm do i do to others? Im not botting or anything.
they are trying to push people into playing with a team, rather than alone. Personally, I don't agree with them, I usually play solo myself, but they feel the game is supposed to be team oriented. I think they forget about those of us who have a hard time finding reliable people in our time zone :/ I have only a few people I enjoy party with, and frankly, they are much better players than I am, so I always feel like I hold them back... sigh. anyway they told me the most allowed is 2 active box with one offline shop, or 2 offline shops with 1 active box... total of 3 chars, as long as at least 1 is offline...
anyway im curious how you Jaila will act about offline shops, there are 2 allowed per IP, so when some of those guys mentioned before from bigger LAN make 2 offshops each than you will get 4-6-8-10 offshops from same IP. and ofc you cant check "behaviour" cos they are off. and rules says: more than 2 offshops = permaban offshop chars (thats rofl imo)
so, what you will do in such case ? ;D
Well one thing is clear...he wont answer because he cant answer(he posts daily here..and this topic si 3 days old). The rule is 2 boxes per machine, but its obvious that he doesnt like that. So he prefers to resolve it when he founds you, better then giving a straight answer.
P.S.: Good job jailaa, you won, you managed to inspire fear into ppl, i belive there are really few who still use bots, and that was the whole point, not banning ppl, but making them think twice before they choose what icone to start the game with. For the 1st time in years, a GM did what it was supposed to do, offer us all a fair play game chance.
k .. offline shop has nothing to do with normal dualbox .. you can have 30 offline shop but only 2 normal online
about 2 pc's ... dualbox extends to 1 person playing 2 chars ... not 2 chars on 1 computer + 2 chars on laptop .. 1 person playing 4 chars :)
i hope it was clear
Quote from: k0rina on June 13, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
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Offline shops = You can have 1-2 max offline shops per IP, if you have more then mentioned PERMA ban
oups :D. well i don't know the technical details behind how offline shop work .. and I hadn't seen that rule, if Torn said that he must have a good reason for it :) .. anyway, my bad