so 1st of all u own all ppl who need ToI rbs bcs of nerfed bison < retaired
2nd again like was on all other server ppl want only coins on market nothing more bcs adena now means nothing < retaired
3rd u fak up server every day more and more, and make stupid updates, u know that no1 can kill normal rb and now u nerfed bison omg and u lose time for NOT NEEDED updates when manny ppl need fix chars with stack sub and u make a sh1t for now to change it
4th the most and bigs PvP's was on rbs, now we dont have any SO AGAIN FIX RBS
and now most funny thing....
I'm arccher ( he/pa) ic set + db +f+1 + qa with full buf i was have 4.2k P.atk + used toggle holy weapon ( for gms bcs mby u dont now its gives + 20 to atr holy) and i hit dc robe guy w/o full buf only for 400 since he heal faster with battle heal then i make dmq to him so WTF?!
PS: its says that SA gives 15% pvp dmq so count my dmq w/o it LOL
Start make this server better bcs for now u simply fak up it every day more and more
First of all, when I posted similar topic u flamed me that I cant pvp and I use mage dances, fook you in your ass to begin with.
Further more, yeah many things are fooked up completely that take away pleasure and enjoyment of playing l2.
The most important, dmg silly damage... it makes me leave the server more and more...
+1 for the subject
imho GM should not change L2 at all, maybe minimum.
I dont know whats the point of such a pvpdmg nerf.. yes it's normal for archer to hit some classes with A grade for 4/5k (with drac focus, RB jewelery and perf fullbuff). yes it's normal if destoyer hits you for 10k with frenzy/zealot on. nuker / damage dealer are suppose to MAKE SOME SERIOUS dmg, not hit you for 150 lol.
I have draco focus +0 100divine, +5str, mj heavy set (+2str), aq, lvl3 ogre empowered tatoos and with fullbuff (and I mean fulbuff, sws, bd, wc, ol, holy wepaon, holy blade, wk) I hit unsubbed dc robe mage for 400 with critical. unbuffed karmian boy for 2k. you think it is huge dmg? its loldmg, with that equip and fullbuff karmian boy should get critical for 5k (or more).
another example:
fullbuffed destro/tyrant, tallum heavy set, Dragon Hunter Axe, HP less than 30%, frenzy, zealot, rage, bison, infernal form - 38k patk.
you hit Smirnek (unbuffed pr/bd with MJ heavy) for 400.
CRITICAL HIT!
you hit Smirnek for 1750.
WTF?
last but not least, mage dmg.. with mdef buff only i get nuked for 2k, i take mdef buff, song of elemental, song of warding, elemental profetction (tec..) and mage hits me for 50 or 100.
imho remove pvpdmeg nerf, let masspvp looks like mass pvp.
EDIT: blahh, I forgot to add that example with destro/tyr dmg was BEFORE bison nerf ;)
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on July 01, 2010, 09:00:58 AM
u cry too much
if dont wanna play-leave
many ppl said that example in dragon section 2-3 y ago
and whats now? IT ALIVE!
so stfu and learn how to play.
btw i wanna test ur crying archer full buff dmg on mage(sps/ee)
lets see that with screeners!
PM ME for my nick!
what a retard u are ok Dragon alive NM and Infi too but with 100 ppl on each serveR? so STFU idiot
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on July 01, 2010, 09:00:58 AM
u cry too much
if dont wanna play-leave
many ppl said that example in dragon section 2-3 y ago
and whats now? IT ALIVE!
so stfu and learn how to play.
btw i wanna test ur crying archer full buff dmg on mage(sps/ee)
lets see that with screeners!
PM ME for my nick!
just lol, you want me to leave? if nothing change here for sure I will. you will play on 100 ppl server, spoil and farm mobs easily.
if you want argue with me use ARGUMENTS not pity slogans "omg stop crying, ju dony liek it - leave!". fact is, pvp dmg here IS NOT NORMAL, is freaked up. every player, who pvped a lot knows that. seems you onlyu farmed mobs and YOU HAVE NO CLUE whar protector and I are talking about.
they nerfed so many classes and made those changes bcz of those 13 years old kids who alawys cry about anythign ,if they dont have perfect class to pwn every1 come here cry and gm do what those kids want(cuz seems gm dont have experience liek we thought) and here we go,we got a nerfed server ,soon dead ,i dotn understand why gm's dotn let server like it was ,i leveled 1 class cuz i want to useit not for you (gm) to nerf bcz you just want to,you think we are all nolifers and we can spend all time here to change all the time classes cuz today you nerf one class and tomorrow other and so on all teh time changes?let server like it was you already losed half server far now and is already boring bcz features on this server ,you will lose more bcz of this and bcz other servers opened,
btw+1 for protector is right about archers
firstly, melee dmg is faked up(archers pvp dmg is the most nerfed one), so it is needed to be fixed.
secondly, raidbosses stats are faked up too. You boosted them cuz of 10years old servers like dragon/infinity/nightmare with OE weapons, max lvls and stuff, but tell me, do you see such ppl here?
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on July 01, 2010, 09:00:58 AM
u cry too much
if dont wanna play-leave
many ppl said that example in dragon section 2-3 y ago
and whats now? IT ALIVE!
so stfu and learn how to play.
btw i wanna test ur crying archer full buff dmg on mage(sps/ee)
lets see that with screeners!
PM ME for my nick!
Yeah , it's alive but what then? It's not the same dragon like it was in example at c3/c4 . All people I know miss these times .Because now we have IL with HB+Gracia features which is totally fcked up and ofcoz 'some updates' ;)
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on July 01, 2010, 09:08:39 AM
only in aden shops example in dragon are near 200 i think :)
Yeah 200 bots screaming whole time that u can't even see what they're selling/buying . Dragon is already dead so dont try to defend this server ;)
Quote from: Protector on July 01, 2010, 06:16:24 AM
so 1st of all u own all ppl who need ToI rbs bcs of nerfed bison < retaired
2nd again like was on all other server ppl want only coins on market nothing more bcs adena now means nothing < retaired
3rd u fak up server every day more and more, and make stupid updates, u know that no1 can kill normal rb and now u nerfed bison omg and u lose time for NOT NEEDED updates when manny ppl need fix chars with stack sub and u make a sh1t for now to change it
4th the most and bigs PvP's was on rbs, now we dont have any SO AGAIN FIX RBS
and now most funny thing....
I'm arccher ( he/pa) ic set + db +f+1 + qa with full buf i was have 4.2k P.atk + used toggle holy weapon ( for gms bcs mby u dont now its gives + 20 to atr holy) and i hit dc robe guy w/o full buf only for 400 since he heal faster with battle heal then i make dmq to him so WTF?!
PS: its says that SA gives 15% pvp dmq so count my dmq w/o it LOL
Start make this server better bcs for now u simply fak up it every day more and more
+1
Quote from: Protector on July 01, 2010, 06:16:24 AM
so 1st of all u own all ppl who need ToI rbs bcs of nerfed bison < retaired
2nd again like was on all other server ppl want only coins on market nothing more bcs adena now means nothing < retaired
3rd u fak up server every day more and more, and make stupid updates, u know that no1 can kill normal rb and now u nerfed bison omg and u lose time for NOT NEEDED updates when manny ppl need fix chars with stack sub and u make a sh1t for now to change it
4th the most and bigs PvP's was on rbs, now we dont have any SO AGAIN FIX RBS
and now most funny thing....
I'm arccher ( he/pa) ic set + db +f+1 + qa with full buf i was have 4.2k P.atk + used toggle holy weapon ( for gms bcs mby u dont now its gives + 20 to atr holy) and i hit dc robe guy w/o full buf only for 400 since he heal faster with battle heal then i make dmq to him so WTF?!
PS: its says that SA gives 15% pvp dmq so count my dmq w/o it LOL
Start make this server better bcs for now u simply fak up it every day more and more
u know that holy weapon toogle works like seeds? u know that in pvp if ur opponent has just divine protection or holy resistance u're freaked?u know that ur dmg is decreased a lot?
Quote from: Akira on July 01, 2010, 09:31:54 AM
firstly, melee dmg is faked up(archers pvp dmg is the most nerfed one), so it is needed to be fixed.
secondly, raidbosses stats are faked up too. You boosted them cuz of 10years old servers like dragon/infinity/nightmare with OE weapons, max lvls and stuff, but tell me, do you see such ppl here?
haha rbs were boosted cause of TY/DE
the only way to have more normal rbs is to get rid of ty/de soloing them
yea, you should not kill kernon with one destro/tyr, but you should kill toi golkonda with 5 archers. that maks perfect sense.
Quote from: Ber1l on July 01, 2010, 10:34:55 AM
u know that holy weapon toogle works like seeds? u know that in pvp if ur opponent has just divine protection or holy resistance u're freaked?u know that ur dmg is decreased a lot?
orylyyyyyyy?
didnt know that 30 point divine resistance decrese dmg by 90%, especially when someone have draco focus 150 divine atribute and his enemy is wearing karmian set.
Quote from: pigozord on July 01, 2010, 10:47:03 AM
orylyyyyyyy?
didnt know that 30 point divine resistance decrese dmg by 90%, especially when someone have draco focus 150 divine atribute and his enemy is wearing karmian set.
only on DN :D
I've just spoke to Torn about this .. this is a "problem" or better say an "imbalance" that i've noticed myself, as a mage archers do give me little damage atm. Today a fix will be implemented and I need 1 archer (he preferably) with an AQ + db/sb +f and a mage in dc robe, preferably one with deflect arrow too. We'll do some accurate testing at least to get the picture at this gear level
Quote from: k0rina on July 01, 2010, 12:10:39 PM
did u counted that he used resists for holy ? + mb he was tank = deflect arrow +mb he was full buffed too so isn t so crazy that 400 dmg
and btw u should know that for make a good pvp char (archer) u need ++++ bow
i had 6k m attack and i hit 1 guy on a grade jewels 450 dmg with surrender +vortex cuz he had full resists on wind so go learn buff your character correct and learn to play with atribute system correctly
ps: about others i agree too +1
there was a physical damage nerf ... a "big" one actually compared to magical damage.
Quote from: jailaa on July 01, 2010, 12:11:40 PM
there was a physical damage nerf ... a "big" one actually compared to magical damage.
why dont light armor mastery's dont work on tyrant?
Quote from: undertaker22 on July 01, 2010, 12:16:08 PM
why dont light armor mastery's dont work on tyrant?
i don't know that myself as I don't deal with server side stuff. but .. if you remember stacking masteries ( armor ) light mystic with light fighter and light rogue. all light masteries were unified into 1 light mastery (that gives pdef )and the bonuses (speed/atck speed etc) were added in a new skill ( if you check your skill you should have something like lvl3 light armor mastery)
i'm saying this is how it is and why it is, i'm not saying it's good, bad or that i agree or not with it.
Quote from: k0rina on July 01, 2010, 12:10:39 PM
did u counted that he used resists for holy ? + mb he was tank = deflect arrow +mb he was full buffed too so isn t so crazy that 400 dmg
and btw u should know that for make a good pvp char (archer) u need ++++ bow
i had 6k m attack and i hit 1 guy on a grade jewels 450 dmg with surrender +vortex cuz he had full resists on wind so go learn buff your character correct and learn to play with atribute system correctly
ps: about others i agree too +1
he's talking about us....we had divine protection + holy resistance....not my fault if we can buff ourselves
Quote from: k0rina on July 01, 2010, 12:10:39 PM
did u counted that he used resists for holy ? + mb he was tank = deflect arrow +mb he was full buffed too so isn t so crazy that 400 dmg
and btw u should know that for make a good pvp char (archer) u need ++++ bow
i had 6k m attack and i hit 1 guy on a grade jewels 450 dmg with surrender +vortex cuz he had full resists on wind so go learn buff your character correct and learn to play with atribute system correctly
ps: about others i agree too +1
as i already said in previous topic.. i tested hitting with HE/WK on pp buffs (no POF) with DC light + Draco bow clean (3,6k ptk) into PP 77 in devotion set - buffed with shield+gr shield (330 pdef) .. normal hits 200-300 (dunno exactly now).. into nograde set, actually unbuffed.. u really think it is normal huh? mr.go-learn-buff-your-character :-* ..i love smartasses
Quote from: k0rina on July 01, 2010, 12:10:39 PM
did u counted that he used resists for holy ? + mb he was tank = deflect arrow +mb he was full buffed too so isn t so crazy that 400 dmg
and btw u should know that for make a good pvp char (archer) u need ++++ bow
i had 6k m attack and i hit 1 guy on a grade jewels 450 dmg with surrender +vortex cuz he had full resists on wind so go learn buff your character correct and learn to play with atribute system correctly
ps: about others i agree too +1
another tard who have no clue what are we atlking about here.
anyway, here we go:
1. good archer = ++++bow. what a bullshit, which prooves clearly how noob you are. but what should I expect from DN kid. ofcourse archer needs good equip - S bow with focus, aq and biaum, but its not most imprtat thing lol.
2. when I speak about loldmg at unbuffed karmian boys it is obvious that I dont consider my dmg at xx/tank char, with deflect arrow lol. besides even GM admited that mele dmg is nerfed here so take your "smart" ideas and gtfo.
3. last but not least, your and your clanmates dmg on mass pvp, at our fulbuffed archer party is +/- 25/100 per hit, so first of all, you should practice buffing.
please, let it be one serious topic, and kids who have been in ass and seen shit (not played anywhere alese except DN) stay quiet.
Quote from: undertaker22 on July 01, 2010, 12:16:08 PM
why dont light armor mastery's dont work on tyrant?
it should not work here cuz destro/tyr is overpowered. wear heavy armor and use only fists with bizon, mistur pro. good spot for farmin mobs is HS i think.
btw moral of the story...some archers got pwned by us and now they river of tears is falling down....solution: NERF ALL!
hahahahahha all of you made my day hahahahaha,this srv is bullsh1t guys lol,after 2-3 months you realize?hahaha
to a tard who played glad/pp ;D :
NO, you understood nothing, now gtfo with yor cool stories, bro.
some archers wants NORMAL archery dmg. end of story.
besides, dunno from which clan are you, but atm we (enclave archery pt) wins almost every party vs party mass pvp. inculding mages with their vortex hits for 24.
Quote from: pigozord on July 01, 2010, 01:19:44 PM
NO, you understood nothing, now gtfo with yor cool stories, bro.
some archers wants NORMAL archery dmg. end of story.
besides, dunno from which clan are you, but atm we (enclave archery pt) wins almost every party vs party mass pvp. inculding mages with their vortex hits for 24.
The song of elemental = fixed - no more 50 damage
Archer damage "fixed" (we'll test today) -
good! I hope we will get some nice pvp here ;) not 15 mins party vs party mass pvp with healing bishop by battle heal ;)
is all melee dmg changed to original, or is it just Archers? : )
it's just a question, im curious about it.
Quote from: Akira on July 01, 2010, 01:53:01 PM
is all melee dmg changed to original, or is it just Archers? : )
it's just a question, im curious about it.
ALL PVP DIRECT (not skills) physical damage: ranged or melee
lol bisont got nerfed....again.
good job gms! today we had pvp and it was perfect archer vs mage party, both had good dmg.
ofc bcos we won vs u on HS pt vs pt for example. but it was kinda borring hit 400 and get hited from mages 200. it was just lol borring long tvt. thats why changes was needed, and hitting karmian boy with draco focus+qa 600 dmg was not funny sorry dude.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on July 01, 2010, 02:22:34 PM
i think that i took a looooooooong "spear" into my ass... -.-
pensa che lo stavo per fare anche io, una retail salvata(rigrazio la mia non voglia di expare ;D ;D)
Quote from: k0dex on July 01, 2010, 04:57:55 PM
ofc bcos we won vs u on HS pt vs pt for example. but it was kinda borring hit 400 and get hited from mages 200. it was just lol borring long tvt. thats why changes was needed, and hitting karmian boy with draco focus+qa 600 dmg was not funny sorry dude.
+1
and finally we had a nice pvp on BS port also
it was good to see 2k dmg (from both sides), not 500 like before
Quote from: k0rina on July 01, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
u didnt realised smth yes u said alone "Dragon" dragon isnt a normal serv is substuck serv with many nerfs that are "supposed to balance" the serv
this u told me about ++ bow well ok then go on x15 with draco+f+0 buff ur self however u like use i dont care holy lvl 9 and go try kill some1 if u manage to kill even 1 guy on 1vs1 then ok u right
btw this for me and my clanmates isnt hard to use full resists on wind/fire/water :D
and yes i still support my opinion that a good fullbuffed fighter with brain ( i dont mean u dont panic :-* ) can kill a mage even if i play mage atm .
ok, now say it again and use english. seriously, I have no idea what are you balblaing now.
wind, water fire buff, holy lvl9, ++bow, dragon, archer killing mage = seriously, what?
I did some tests today with people with NO element on weapons, damage seems OK ( it's not perfect ofc ) but it's balanced enough for PVP. I would suggest though with a boost for dagger dmg or better said physical skill dmg.
From personal official server experience a full buff dagger with hero dagger hitting only 1.2k with ant queen :) is WEAK.
However this will not take place until i get to test a dagger with element and with at least +5-6 element enchant on backstab
+1
Quote from: jailaa on July 02, 2010, 08:33:36 PM
I did some tests today with people with NO element on weapons, damage seems OK ( it's not perfect ofc ) but it's balanced enough for PVP. I would suggest though with a boost for dagger dmg or better said physical skill dmg.
From personal official server experience a full buff dagger with hero dagger hitting only 1.2k with ant queen :) is WEAK.
However this will not take place until i get to test a dagger with element and with at least +5-6 element enchant on backstab
PM when you want to check dmg. Got elemt in weapon, and enchanted skills.
My dmg is not worst, but it should be better for sure. Have played on retail servers and on all of them daggers had more power than here.
I don't complain about archers dmg, they got their power back as they should have, but to compare with my class (AW/SK) I am hitting with skills for less/similar to what dmg they do with normal skills : ) (not crits)
So it would be great to get at least a little boost on skill attack power : ) (after all, daggers are close combat fighters, and their dmg depends mostly on skills)
Quote from: jailaa on July 02, 2010, 08:33:36 PM
I did some tests today with people with NO element on weapons, damage seems OK ( it's not perfect ofc ) but it's balanced enough for PVP. I would suggest though with a boost for dagger dmg or better said physical skill dmg.
From personal official server experience a full buff dagger with hero dagger hitting only 1.2k with ant queen :) is WEAK.
However this will not take place until i get to test a dagger with element and with at least +5-6 element enchant on backstab
you play dagger on valkyria?
Quote from: Bav3 on July 02, 2010, 10:20:15 PM
dont boost dagegr dmg coz dagers will become f1 char like its on arena, dunno about other server
rather boots dmg from skill
Its not IL anymore. Every mage in dc robe set must be 1 backstab to any dagger with attributed weapon/skills, and thats normal. Time to use MA / Dyn robe sets.(1,2k dmg with fullbuff+aq seems weak vs attributed dyn robe set too.)
Quote from: Bav3 on July 02, 2010, 10:20:15 PM
dont boost dagegr dmg coz dagers will become f1 char like its on arena, dunno about other server
rather boots dmg from skill
hahahaha, isn't that description of all your clanmates? f1 f1 f1 to vilage. ;D
ha! my second name is Benny Hill !
Quote from: Toszi on July 03, 2010, 04:17:55 AM
Its not IL anymore. Every mage in dc robe set must be 1 backstab to any dagger with attributed weapon/skills, and thats normal. Time to use MA / Dyn robe sets.(1,2k dmg with fullbuff+aq seems weak vs attributed dyn robe set too.)
/agree
if backstab lands, there should be huge dmg, but for now, AS+CD+attribute on pp buffs + enchanted skills+aq + dagger skills like focus death etc = ... 1k dmg : P ofc sometimes, if some1 has lower pdef and crit lands I hit for nearly 1.8k !
Still, dmg from skills is not as good as it should be : )