It is good to see you back Track, but if you want to save the server, there is much to do. I am not usually pessimistic, but i must agree this time with those saying the server is dying. The population is shrinking, Temp are dominating and there is no "fresh blood". I think it is time to do whatever necesary to raise the server's popularity (voting in tops, promoting it, advertising etc) so that we get new blood on server. Also, you should ballance the server a bit. If the server is one-sided, the newcomes (if any) will have to either join Temp and lack pvp enemies or, if they dont join, they wont have acces to any RB.
Much of the server's fun lies in mass pvp and raiding. Nowadays, because of Temp monopoly, we have none.
And i hope advertising the server will bring new blood on server, otherwise we're slowly dying and the server will eventually close.
Just my frank opinion.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 18, 2010, 01:29:43 PM
It is good to see you back Track, but if you want to save the server, there is much to do. I am not usually pessimistic, but i must agree this time with those saying the server is dying. The population is shrinking, Temp are dominating and there is no "fresh blood". I think it is time to do whatever necesary to raise the server's popularity (voting in tops, promoting it, advertising etc) so that we get new blood on server. Also, you should ballance the server a bit. If the server is one-sided, the newcomes (if any) will have to either join Temp and lack pvp enemies or, if they dont join, they wont have acces to any RB.
Much of the server's fun lies in mass pvp and raiding. Nowadays, because of Temp monopoly, we have none.
And i hope advertising the server will bring new blood on server, otherwise we're slowly dying and the server will eventually close.
Just my frank opinion.
News ppl's will never join if u start to speak about the domination of one ally on this serv XD
Quote from: seboulba on August 18, 2010, 01:42:08 PM
News ppl's will never join if u start to speak about the domination of one ally on this serv XD
we cant hide that forever, u know? :D
That's not the point at all.It's a matter of gear,starting from 0 it's really hard,and farming would take'em a whole year or 2 non stop to get Icarus+DNET+RBs...
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 18, 2010, 01:29:43 PM
It is good to see you back Track, but if you want to save the server, there is much to do. I am not usually pessimistic, but i must agree this time with those saying the server is dying. The population is shrinking, Temp are dominating and there is no "fresh blood". I think it is time to do whatever necesary to raise the server's popularity (voting in tops, promoting it, advertising etc) so that we get new blood on server. Also, you should ballance the server a bit. If the server is one-sided, the newcomes (if any) will have to either join Temp and lack pvp enemies or, if they dont join, they wont have acces to any RB.
Much of the server's fun lies in mass pvp and raiding. Nowadays, because of Temp monopoly, we have none.
And i hope advertising the server will bring new blood on server, otherwise we're slowly dying and the server will eventually close.
Just my frank opinion.
there is no point to bring fresh blood on NM coz we cant give them anything good to do ! Only way to "raise the server's popularity" is Merge of the servers (x15+x30+x5) and bring back our Mates to home :P
i can't imagine the mess of such a merget; but imo so much fun too coz it will turn in ex-server players warsXD
Well i start play in DN cuz when i check in Top List DN server was number 1, now we lost many positions in rank. One day i check number one server in top this days, just i was curious why they are number one, and gms give rewards if u vote i dont know if is easy check check when ppls vote, just i see that.Yeah i know new ppls no have a lot to do, and sometimes is hard make adena or coins for new ppls, but good idea i put b grade sets and weapons in stores ssd maybe too, with this they can farm mats and and anothers things to try make money, dynasty crafters usully buy mats, and another ppls buy ol mahum furs, moonstones, but they need something to start. Just my opinion ;D
mby if we put in shops full C/B grade armor and wep + bss/ss D/C/B and
mby some custom npc buffs until lvl 74 or smth would help a bit in bringing new ppl to srv
You cant expect that new people are gonna join such an old server... Also the game itself isn't as exciting anymore as it was few years ago. Or if you will somehow convince people to join, they will leave after a few weeks or months cuz they will realize they will have no fun here since you cant do jack shit on the server with bad gear and its really hard to get top gear without donating. And even with donating its really hard to get top gear since you have to spend ALOT of cash for it.
So the only way to make some fun on these servers is imo a merge of most of the servers. Or just DELETE all the servers and make a brand new one, this way you could probably reach at least 3k online people, but to make this happen you would need to make some kind of a countdown (30 days) and make sure that people would spam everywhere about the new server. But c4, with the old Dn subs and no overpowered shitty weapons and armors. The server could also be on some new cronicle but there shouldn't be any S80 gear, since it sucks too much.
But i don't think this will happen anytime soon, since there are still enough people donating and its not worth yet to do such a risky move.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 18, 2010, 01:29:43 PM
(...) I think it is time to do whatever necesary to raise the server's popularity (voting in tops, promoting it, advertising etc) so that we get new blood on server. (...)
This was made, there is this -not that tiny- "button" always on the left, that you can click and ull vote. Ppl aren't voting. They want this and that to get implemented or fixed, but they say "I wont vote cos Track is doing nothing". Well he is doing something, yet ppl simply don't vote. Why? Lazyness?
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on August 18, 2010, 06:20:31 PM
You cant expect that new people are gonna join such an old server... Also the game itself isn't as exciting anymore as it was few years ago. Or if you will somehow convince people to join, they will leave after a few weeks or months cuz they will realize they will have no fun here since you cant do jack shit on the server with bad gear and its really hard to get top gear without donating. And even with donating its really hard to get top gear since you have to spend ALOT of cash for it.
So the only way to make some fun on these servers is imo a merge of most of the servers. Or just DELETE all the servers and make a brand new one, this way you could probably reach at least 3k online people, but to make this happen you would need to make some kind of a countdown (30 days) and make sure that people would spam everywhere about the new server. But c4, with the old Dn subs and no overpowered shitty weapons and armors. The server could also be on some new cronicle but there shouldn't be any S80 gear, since it sucks too much.
But i don't think this will happen anytime soon, since there are still enough people donating and its not worth yet to do such a risky move.
C4 FTW
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Please!!!!! i want to see red ic bows from dragon x15 :D
Quote from: Herza on August 18, 2010, 06:25:13 PM
This was made, there is this -not that tiny- "button" always on the left, that you can click and ull vote. Ppl aren't voting. They want this and that to get implemented or fixed, but they say "I wont vote cos Track is doing nothing". Well he is doing something, yet ppl simply don't vote. Why? Lazyness?
i for once, am voting. We need a campaign for this, not just random 1-2 votes
merge? most retarded idea u guys could give lol. Just think about it, gm's from Dragon, weapons from dragon, whole sh1t from dragon just to get rised population? u would cry for rollback few weeks after this merge.
About vote and stuff, its not about DN is low at ranking with no reason, 80% working hb with implemented gracia feautures, lot of edidted stuff like some IC, DNsets, even frintezza is edited... And GM... its bad when they are not here, but when they suddenly apear its getting even worse, all the nerfs, QQ and way of wicked thinking made from this server a mutant that cannot be returned to human form... And ye, im off from some time, but i doubt anything changed for better...
Quote from: Sali on August 19, 2010, 12:01:49 AM
merge? most retarded idea u guys could give lol. Just think about it, gm's from Dragon, weapons from dragon, whole sh1t from dragon just to get rised population? u would cry for rollback few weeks after this merge.
About vote and stuff, its not about DN is low at ranking with no reason, 80% working hb with implemented gracia feautures, lot of edidted stuff like some IC, DNsets, even frintezza is edited... And GM... its bad when they are not here, but when they suddenly apear its getting even worse, all the nerfs, QQ and way of wicked thinking made from this server a mutant that cannot be returned to human form... And ye, im off from some time, but i doubt anything changed for better...
things will never change on NM and everyone know that..... 1 gm apperas make bullsh1t other join up on his place and do same bullsh1t its almost the same circle.
We always had to live with it..........The Community here doesnt worth anything cuz everything we do is just talking but never take action
just my sight of view about the server
regards
Quote from: BassSultan^^ on August 19, 2010, 02:29:23 AM
things will never change on NM and everyone know that..... 1 gm apperas make bullsh1t other join up on his place and do same bullsh1t its almost the same circle.
We always had to live with it..........The Community here doesnt worth anything cuz everything we do is just talking but never take action
just my sight of view about the server
regards
How you want ppl to make somthing if we give GM ideas and all they do its say "cant do" "impossible" (like with the server merge, we know its possible since many servers did it but u just dont care anymore).
Quote from: Sali on August 19, 2010, 12:01:49 AM
merge? most retarded idea u guys could give lol. Just think about it, gm's from Dragon, weapons from dragon, whole sh1t from dragon just to get rised population? u would cry for rollback few weeks after this merge.
About vote and stuff, its not about DN is low at ranking with no reason, 80% working hb with implemented gracia feautures, lot of edidted stuff like some IC, DNsets, even frintezza is edited... And GM... its bad when they are not here, but when they suddenly apear its getting even worse, all the nerfs, QQ and way of wicked thinking made from this server a mutant that cannot be returned to human form... And ye, im off from some time, but i doubt anything changed for better...
You could just lower the enchant of all weapons, so there wouldnt be any S grade weapons/armors that would be higher than +10... But yea the only problem are the Dragon GMs... But it would be much better if they would just wipe all the servers and there would be only valkyria and the new server that wouldnt have all the freaked up special items aka machinegun bow, dnet armor...
Anyways if any1 finds a c4 server with stacking subs let me know guys! ;D
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on August 19, 2010, 11:06:43 AM
You could just lower the enchant of all weapons, so there wouldnt be any S grade weapons/armors that would be higher than +10... But yea the only problem are the Dragon GMs... But it would be much better if they would just wipe all the servers and there would be only valkyria and the new server that wouldnt have all the freaked up special items aka machinegun bow, dnet armor...
Anyways if any1 finds a c4 server with stacking subs let me know guys! ;D
+1 :)
forbidden gateway farm FTW ! ^^
Delete Hellbound and make server again c4 or interlude :)
Quote from: OwnerPL on August 19, 2010, 02:40:11 PM
Delete Hellbound and make server again c4 or interlude :)
with dnet sets or?
Track is even thinking to uprgade to Gracia O_O wtf then it will come those vesper shits and unbalance game more=more ppls will leave :/
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on August 19, 2010, 11:06:43 AM
Anyways if any1 finds a c4 server with stacking subs let me know guys! ;D
+2
Ahaha, Lineage 2 is dead, accept it, move on! Nothing you can change about that!
Though, if servers would merge (yea right), I'll play again! :D
i read here bullshits after bullshits , server is good just some people don't know what to do and never stop cry
Quote from: slimx on August 18, 2010, 05:18:35 PM
mby if we put in shops full C/B grade armor and wep + bss/ss D/C/B and
mby some custom npc buffs until lvl 74 or smth would help a bit in bringing new ppl to srv
+1
BRING MY MATES BACK ........
Quote from: joroboro on August 21, 2010, 12:51:16 PM
i read here bullshits after bullshits , server is good just some people don't know what to do and never stop cry
You are noob, and even not realize that.
Quote from: Furesy on August 21, 2010, 10:41:06 AM
Ahaha, Lineage 2 is dead, accept it, move on! Nothing you can change about that!
Though, if servers would merge (yea right), I'll play again! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-6Ajc0HR3A
Not L2 , just NM ;D
Quote from: Sethpwnz on August 24, 2010, 07:29:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-6Ajc0HR3A
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL xD
Quote from: Sethpwnz on August 24, 2010, 07:29:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-6Ajc0HR3A
Damn! It freakin rocks. :o
What do you expect to acheive by merging servers? Have you thought that actually people might leave because of it? I want to play on a x30 server with stack sub not a x15 or a x9. Im sure there are other people who play the other servers who feel the same. I am a fairly new player to this server coming from Dragon. I know a lot of people complain about Temp dominance but if you don't like it do like Temp have and make one big solid alliance and fight them instead of QQ on forum. As for new player I think putting B grade in shops would help.
Quote from: Zippey on August 24, 2010, 10:44:37 PM
What do you expect to acheive by merging servers? Have you thought that actually people might leave because of it? I want to play on a x30 server with stack sub not a x15 or a x9. Im sure there are other people who play the other servers who feel the same. I am a fairly new player to this server coming from Dragon. I know a lot of people complain about Temp dominance but if you don't like it do like Temp have and make one big solid alliance and fight them instead of QQ on forum. As for new player I think putting B grade in shops would help.
soon - red
asap - yellow
Quote from: trooperXkoki on August 25, 2010, 05:31:31 AM
soon - red
asap - yellow
coming soon ?:) antitemp the movie :D
First the movie - on Nightmare pvp is between 2 and 3 seconds. Sometimes 3,5 seconds it's sucks. If you are again Temp or other mooded hero 1-2 seconds. yes there is no fun.
Second probably more of you have much more then me but for the last 3 months i helped to over 20 new players with A grade sets, jewels, weapons. 5 from them are still playing and i make them S weapons now. So if from every 20 people i can keep 5 what Track can do....
About Temp the situation is not very clear.... It's funny... It's sad... It's ufff...
And we all know why cause they are the biggest donators and Track have not much choice like this.
SO !!! Track start SMS donate you will see the differences. !!! Upgrade the help for the new players. Make events. You know that i understand that kind of staff in 6 months this server can have no 100-200 but 1-2k players.
Events wont help, u will see always the same people on event. Only thing that will happen is the the richest people will become even richer.
We need event for new people, not pvp events or something like that.
There's a lot of things that could be done to improve gameplay for new people, for example:
- B Grade Items on shops
- A Grade Items on shops
Could be for adena or for some quest item (need coding), for quest item it could be like this, u get quest to farm, need to have lvl range to get quest and teleport/npc that only allow entrace if u in proper lvl, if u go to B Grade spot u need to be 40 to 52 (so u need farm to get items B, while u on C Grade).
For A Grade Spot u need to be 52 to 61, so u will farm for A while u on B Grade, even make something for like S Grade Sets.
This could make some fun, since people will need to farm while XP to get items, and if there's a lot of people they will fight for spawn, means more pvp for than, and since high lvl's couldnt join people will fight between each other with almost same equips (no QQ about OE items or other things, no buff bots, u will need chars on lvl or people to help u).
- Increase spoil rate for some all S Grade Items and also change mobs for spoil, some items r just to hard to spoil for new people, they would need spend hundreds of hours to make a S Set.
- Increase Manor rewards and cap for a maximun ammount of a item a player can get, for example: each player could only get 100 M. Alloy from Manor, since u cant prevent l2w from trading with Manor at least make all people have chances to get those rewards. Increase Manor dont mean to increase ammount of crops a castle can get, so castle owner will still have the same ammount of BOGS, only players will have more chances to get rewards.
- NPC Buff Bot: for people till lvl 80 have buffs, 1 hour buffs, all buffs 1 lvl less than max lvl of buff, so Acumen lvl 2, Zerk lvl 1, Haste lvl 2 and so on. This would help people that r new, dont have clan and cant log XX boxes to farm/play.
- Enable all Fortress, some r still not available for fortress sieges, for new people would be fun to play on weekends for sieges and face some normal enemy.
There's a lot of things that could be done, but most of then need coding and take some time, but here some ideas, maybe later i post more.
Absolutely agree,
And for events yes i was thinking the same. But ....
Quote from: Weezer on August 25, 2010, 05:35:59 PM
Events wont help, u will see always the same people on event. Only thing that will happen is the the richest people will become even richer.
We need event for new people, not pvp events or something like that.
There's a lot of things that could be done to improve gameplay for new people, for example:
- B Grade Items on shops
- A Grade Items on shops
Could be for adena or for some quest item (need coding), for quest item it could be like this, u get quest to farm, need to have lvl range to get quest and teleport/npc that only allow entrace if u in proper lvl, if u go to B Grade spot u need to be 40 to 52 (so u need farm to get items B, while u on C Grade).
For A Grade Spot u need to be 52 to 61, so u will farm for A while u on B Grade, even make something for like S Grade Sets.
This could make some fun, since people will need to farm while XP to get items, and if there's a lot of people they will fight for spawn, means more pvp for than, and since high lvl's couldnt join people will fight between each other with almost same equips (no QQ about OE items or other things, no buff bots, u will need chars on lvl or people to help u).
- Increase spoil rate for some all S Grade Items and also change mobs for spoil, some items r just to hard to spoil for new people, they would need spend hundreds of hours to make a S Set.
- Increase Manor rewards and cap for a maximun ammount of a item a player can get, for example: each player could only get 100 M. Alloy from Manor, since u cant prevent l2w from trading with Manor at least make all people have chances to get those rewards. Increase Manor dont mean to increase ammount of crops a castle can get, so castle owner will still have the same ammount of BOGS, only players will have more chances to get rewards.
- NPC Buff Bot: for people till lvl 80 have buffs, 1 hour buffs, all buffs 1 lvl less than max lvl of buff, so Acumen lvl 2, Zerk lvl 1, Haste lvl 2 and so on. This would help people that r new, dont have clan and cant log XX boxes to farm/play.
- Enable all Fortress, some r still not available for fortress sieges, for new people would be fun to play on weekends for sieges and face some normal enemy.
There's a lot of things that could be done, but most of then need coding and take some time, but here some ideas, maybe later i post more.
Dissable 90% of fortress, just 1 in saturday and 1 in sunday, all on 1 fortress=more fun :D and increses rewards also
do not agree with npc buffers, it is so noobish, to lvl 61 can be but not 80
agree with all others :D
QuoteEvents wont help, u will see always the same people on event. Only thing that will happen is the the richest people will become even richer.
We need event for new people, not pvp events or something like that.
There's a lot of things that could be done to improve gameplay for new people, for example:
- B Grade Items on shops
- A Grade Items on shops
Could be for adena or for some quest item (need coding), for quest item it could be like this, u get quest to farm, need to have lvl range to get quest and teleport/npc that only allow entrace if u in proper lvl, if u go to B Grade spot u need to be 40 to 52 (so u need farm to get items B, while u on C Grade).
For A Grade Spot u need to be 52 to 61, so u will farm for A while u on B Grade, even make something for like S Grade Sets.
This could make some fun, since people will need to farm while XP to get items, and if there's a lot of people they will fight for spawn, means more pvp for than, and since high lvl's couldnt join people will fight between each other with almost same equips (no QQ about OE items or other things, no buff bots, u will need chars on lvl or people to help u).
- Increase spoil rate for some all S Grade Items and also change mobs for spoil, some items r just to hard to spoil for new people, they would need spend hundreds of hours to make a S Set.
- Increase Manor rewards and cap for a maximun ammount of a item a player can get, for example: each player could only get 100 M. Alloy from Manor, since u cant prevent l2w from trading with Manor at least make all people have chances to get those rewards. Increase Manor dont mean to increase ammount of crops a castle can get, so castle owner will still have the same ammount of BOGS, only players will have more chances to get rewards.
- NPC Buff Bot: for people till lvl 80 have buffs, 1 hour buffs, all buffs 1 lvl less than max lvl of buff, so Acumen lvl 2, Zerk lvl 1, Haste lvl 2 and so on. This would help people that r new, dont have clan and cant log XX boxes to farm/play.
- Enable all Fortress, some r still not available for fortress sieges, for new people would be fun to play on weekends for sieges and face some normal enemy.
There's a lot of things that could be done, but most of then need coding and take some time, but here some ideas, maybe later i post more.
Dissable 90% of fortress, just 1 in saturday and 1 in sunday, all on 1 fortress=more fun Cheesy and increses rewards also
do not agree with npc buffers, it is so noobish, to lvl 61 can be but not 80
agree with all others Cheesy
This sound realy well
hello
hmm about this farm zones that Weezer said, imo just add all B grade items to shop, the rest ppl can get with farming. Moonstone shards, soul crystals,pots etc. A grade items arent that expensive now. And the time that Drake wound need to do spots, quests etc could he used on some other things, that dont work at all.
About incresisng spoil rate for S recipe, Good idea, S sets are not so expensive, but hard to craft, for a new player. Newbies could even farm them to get coins for better items. And maybe increse/add drop for A grade items in Fog.
And NPC buffs +1 for that. I often see now ppl in aden asking for buffs.
Quote from: Locus on August 25, 2010, 08:29:50 PM
hello
hmm about this farm zones that Weezer said, imo just add all B grade items to shop, the rest ppl can get with farming. Moonstone shards, soul crystals,pots etc. A grade items arent that expensive now. And the time that Drake wound need to do spots, quests etc could he used on some other things, that dont work at all.
About incresisng spoil rate for S recipe, Good idea, S sets are not so expensive, but hard to craft, for a new player. Newbies could even farm them to get coins for better items. And maybe increse/add drop for A grade items in Fog.
And NPC buffs +1 for that. I often see now ppl in aden asking for buffs.
Nice ideas all :D hope GM listen to them ::)
Quote from: Locus on August 25, 2010, 08:29:50 PM
hello
hmm about this farm zones that Weezer said, imo just add all B grade items to shop, the rest ppl can get with farming. Moonstone shards, soul crystals,pots etc. A grade items arent that expensive now. And the time that Drake wound need to do spots, quests etc could he used on some other things, that dont work at all.
About incresisng spoil rate for S recipe, Good idea, S sets are not so expensive, but hard to craft, for a new player. Newbies could even farm them to get coins for better items. And maybe increse/add drop for A grade items in Fog.
And NPC buffs +1 for that. I often see now ppl in aden asking for buffs.
A Grade r easy to buy for people like us that play here since a long time, or for people that have a clan helping, for some people that start on a new server alone or even if they came with friends (but they will start with nothing) it's hard to get adena.
Or even make MS, crys etc to have enough to buy a A Grade set + Weapon. If u get for example 1 coin = dc robe set = 5 lunargents (?), to get 5 lunargents can take weeks of farming on BS, and those people dont have items to make crys 12 on Dyno, they could max make crys 10, so imagine the time they would spend to make items/coins to buy A grade items.
If we rly wanna new people on NM we should make life easier for then, if they dont have support from none they will simple left after some days player here, its way faster for then to go play in a high rate server with gm shop than play here.
Quote from: Weezer on August 25, 2010, 09:33:16 PM
A Grade r easy to buy for people like us that play here since a long time, or for people that have a clan helping, for some people that start on a new server alone or even if they came with friends (but they will start with nothing) it's hard to get adena.
Or even make MS, crys etc to have enough to buy a A Grade set + Weapon. If u get for example 1 coin = dc robe set = 5 lunargents (?), to get 5 lunargents can take weeks of farming on BS, and those people dont have items to make crys 12 on Dyno, they could max make crys 10, so imagine the time they would spend to make items/coins to buy A grade items.
If we rly wanna new people on NM we should make life easier for then, if they dont have support from none they will simple left after some days player here, its way faster for then to go play in a high rate server with gm shop than play here.
A grades arent so expencive, except Tallum H and DC R sets. For example u can get any MJ set for like 200-400kk easily. Isnt so hard to lvl up ~8 cry 10 or farm some MS. Allmost same with weapons a grade - most of them r under 200kk (clean top A), except SOM & DLE, but newbs can use BOMT or Daspa staff for start & gather abit for FB clean (~700kk).
So, i'd say there's no prob with a grade stuff. But, real problem comes when new ppl with A or even S grade decide to get some pvp. They'll have tough times fighting against OE DNET + S80 + RB jews. Tho, we cant solve this problem, i guess. Only by hardcore farm or zerg they can get a chance.
I'd support the idea of B grade in NPC shop & improve S grade armor recs spoil (pieces we got enough imo), cuz barely some1 crafts S armors nowadays. NPC Buffer would be not bad as well.
I'd also add that we need to decrease D.Coin price, cuz its being main currency here & 2kkk is just too much. Track could add smth extremely usefull at donny for adena or spirit ores, like C/B/A/S grade shirts or smth. This would decrease D.Coin price for some time. Or, to make price static, it could be added at donny for 1-1,2kkk adena (doubt that will be done, tho).
Break those Temp into two sides = problem solved.
Quote from: thehunted on August 27, 2010, 04:30:08 AM
Break those Temp into two sides = problem solved.
Splitting a 40-50 ppl ally won't solve server's problems (even though I'm starting to realize that those 50 ppl are 80% from whole server :D).
Quote from: Locus on August 25, 2010, 08:29:50 PM
About incresisng spoil rate for S recipe, Good idea, S sets are not so expensive, but hard to craft, for a new player. Newbies could even farm them to get coins for better items
and who will buy these sets? other newbies, so how this can be profitable after incresing rate? price will go even lower. So if u incres rate u make it easier to craft=price is lower so ur breaking some1 buisness. Aint good idea at all. Solution could be to make Dynasty quest some more easier and faster to do, sure Dyna is worse that Dnet but still better than draco or other s grade
Quote from: Sali on August 28, 2010, 08:58:14 PM
and who will buy these sets? other newbies, so how this can be profitable after incresing rate? price will go even lower. So if u incres rate u make it easier to craft=price is lower so ur breaking some1 buisness. Aint good idea at all. Solution could be to make Dynasty quest some more easier and faster to do, sure Dyna is worse that Dnet but still better than draco or other s grade
It's not about make sets/weapons to sell, but to use.
Atm prices r already low (IC and Draco for 3 coins), but the time u should spend to spoil all recipes its too much, some recipes r just to hard to spoil atm and they r on places like FOG that new people have problems to spoil.
Also if increase rate to spoil recipes of weapons they can try craft and make OE and sell for a good amount of coins (ofc if Manor idea could be made too, cause then they could take rewards too, not only l2w users).
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on August 28, 2010, 09:15:57 PM
well these are all good ideas
but doing all that u will make NM become a pvp server xD
For many ppl thats is what the looking for when they log... If you like farm go to 1x
Quote from: Weezer on August 28, 2010, 09:09:55 PM
It's not about make sets/weapons to sell, but to use.
Atm prices r already low (IC and Draco for 3 coins), but the time u should spend to spoil all recipes its too much, some recipes r just to hard to spoil atm and they r on places like FOG that new people have problems to spoil.
Also if increase rate to spoil recipes of weapons they can try craft and make OE and sell for a good amount of coins (ofc if Manor idea could be made too, cause then they could take rewards too, not only l2w users).
and incresing rate will drop it to 1 coin, is this rly a point? I still think making dyna easier to get would make more difrence, and just leave the old good s grades alone
Quote from: Weezer on August 25, 2010, 05:35:59 PM
Events wont help, u will see always the same people on event. Only thing that will happen is the the richest people will become even richer.
We need event for new people, not pvp events or something like that.
There's a lot of things that could be done to improve gameplay for new people, for example:
- B Grade Items on shops
- A Grade Items on shops
Could be for adena or for some quest item (need coding), for quest item it could be like this, u get quest to farm, need to have lvl range to get quest and teleport/npc that only allow entrace if u in proper lvl, if u go to B Grade spot u need to be 40 to 52 (so u need farm to get items B, while u on C Grade).
For A Grade Spot u need to be 52 to 61, so u will farm for A while u on B Grade, even make something for like S Grade Sets.
This could make some fun, since people will need to farm while XP to get items, and if there's a lot of people they will fight for spawn, means more pvp for than, and since high lvl's couldnt join people will fight between each other with almost same equips (no QQ about OE items or other things, no buff bots, u will need chars on lvl or people to help u).
- Increase spoil rate for some all S Grade Items and also change mobs for spoil, some items r just to hard to spoil for new people, they would need spend hundreds of hours to make a S Set.
- Increase Manor rewards and cap for a maximun ammount of a item a player can get, for example: each player could only get 100 M. Alloy from Manor, since u cant prevent l2w from trading with Manor at least make all people have chances to get those rewards. Increase Manor dont mean to increase ammount of crops a castle can get, so castle owner will still have the same ammount of BOGS, only players will have more chances to get rewards.
- NPC Buff Bot: for people till lvl 80 have buffs, 1 hour buffs, all buffs 1 lvl less than max lvl of buff, so Acumen lvl 2, Zerk lvl 1, Haste lvl 2 and so on. This would help people that r new, dont have clan and cant log XX boxes to farm/play.
- Enable all Fortress, some r still not available for fortress sieges, for new people would be fun to play on weekends for sieges and face some normal enemy.
There's a lot of things that could be done, but most of then need coding and take some time, but here some ideas, maybe later i post more.
1. well, dont give new events - just fix all bugs of server it will help more
2. about b/a grade stuff in shops... agree but well, we are x30 server so it would be better if new people get the boost from some npc some shadow wepons, armors even +6 sets with SA to help them gather exp, some resources. They should disappear after few monts (6 months is good time i think to get money for normal stuff, and help them a little ballance with people in dnet if they have to pvp), it can be some quest if u are smart enough or perma event for new players,
3. dynasty(wepon) recipes should be easier to get - they are too expensive in hsp. there should be chance to spoil them - u want to install gracia, there is vesper - before that dynasty should be common wepon, set. Also dynasty(not dnet) armor parts should be spoilable, for better balance vs dnet. I think that after we improve to gracia dnet should be changed to vesper ant that will be all no dnet - just donate for vesper (dnet) for same price (dnet should be changed into vesper to avoid possible scam opportunity)
4. manor system evolved from my last time cry topic. Now we can harvest more fruits than last time but it should be also improved more, but its not very urgent. When u change recipes/ spoils rates, it will be time to think about more changes.
5. npc buff bot - its not necessery since we are x30 server and dualbox is allowed u can make some pp or wc too.
6 changing fortress - well its not urgent too since fortresses have people from big clans so it will not change too much - but it would be nice if u consider develop - put some npc buffer for owner like in clan hall but this is not urgent stuff
After u make enviroment that would help new players and fix some bugs rb i think we can start to vote like we should do it all the time.
If we vote now and new players will come and see the condition of this server like this they will just leave. Wipeing server is a very bad idea since there are people who donate, and help server . And if Gm wipe server they will leave for 100%.
Quote from: Sali on August 28, 2010, 11:31:50 PM
and incresing rate will drop it to 1 coin, is this rly a point? I still think making dyna easier to get would make more difrence, and just leave the old good s grades alone
i vote for that :D
Moonbreaker's Opinion in Red
1. well, dont give new events - just fix all bugs of server it will help more
Fix bugs should be made ofc, but makiing some events, i'm not talking only about auto events, but some events GM could make while logged for new people would help to make things more interesting to then.
2. about b/a grade stuff in shops... agree but well, we are x30 server so it would be better if new people get the boost from some npc some shadow wepons, armors even +6 sets with SA to help them gather exp, some resources. They should disappear after few monts (6 months is good time i think to get money for normal stuff, and help them a little ballance with people in dnet if they have to pvp), it can be some quest if u are smart enough or perma event for new players,
B sets r useless for those people who play on NM atm, even if they make it +6 for what they will use?!?
Even A grade sets wont change nothing, and selling on NPC will help to decrease adena ammount we have on server now, should help on economy and this is just to help new people, for those who already have Dyna or DNET wont affect nothing, unless they try to make a +6 set, and if they try they will loose a lot of adena in process since some parts will broke.
3. dynasty(wepon) recipes should be easier to get - they are too expensive in hsp. there should be chance to spoil them - u want to install gracia, there is vesper - before that dynasty should be common wepon, set. Also dynasty(not dnet) armor parts should be spoilable, for better balance vs dnet. I think that after we improve to gracia dnet should be changed to vesper ant that will be all no dnet - just donate for vesper (dnet) for same price (dnet should be changed into vesper to avoid possible scam opportunity)
Somethings r supossed to be hard to made, if we make all things easy none will farm for nothing. Those who wanna get things easier donate, others should have hard work to get then, otherwise what's the purpose to donate?!?
imo DNET should keep as DNET, and if Vesper will be implemented on server Dyna Armors maybe start to have parts spoilable with rate like weapons and mobs could be in some new place or Parnasus for example.
4. manor system evolved from my last time cry topic. Now we can harvest more fruits than last time but it should be also improved more, but its not very urgent. When u change recipes/ spoils rates, it will be time to think about more changes.
Manor system sucks atm, for those who can get the rewards (mostly l2w users) it's ok, but most of people dont get nothing since some people clean the important rewards as soon as it appears to make trades, i think Manor should be more fair to all people.
5. npc buff bot - its not necessery since we are x30 server and dualbox is allowed u can make some pp or wc too.
Dont think like an old player, but think as a new player on server. Most of times none sells buff on Aden, not all people make XX accs to play on a new server when they start playing, and i'm not talking about a NPC buffer with all buffs max lvl, but as i said 1 lvl less than max of buff, just to help people XP.
And for 1 hour, cause come back to town each 20 mins to get buffs is shit.
Quote from: Weezer on August 30, 2010, 03:49:54 PM
Moonbreaker's Opinion in Red
1. well, dont give new events - just fix all bugs of server it will help more
Fix bugs should be made ofc, but makiing some events, i'm not talking only about auto events, but some events GM could make while logged for new people would help to make things more interesting to then.
2. about b/a grade stuff in shops... agree but well, we are x30 server so it would be better if new people get the boost from some npc some shadow wepons, armors even +6 sets with SA to help them gather exp, some resources. They should disappear after few monts (6 months is good time i think to get money for normal stuff, and help them a little ballance with people in dnet if they have to pvp), it can be some quest if u are smart enough or perma event for new players,
B sets r useless for those people who play on NM atm, even if they make it +6 for what they will use?!?
Even A grade sets wont change nothing, and selling on NPC will help to decrease adena ammount we have on server now, should help on economy and this is just to help new people, for those who already have Dyna or DNET wont affect nothing, unless they try to make a +6 set, and if they try they will loose a lot of adena in process since some parts will broke.
3. dynasty(wepon) recipes should be easier to get - they are too expensive in hsp. there should be chance to spoil them - u want to install gracia, there is vesper - before that dynasty should be common wepon, set. Also dynasty(not dnet) armor parts should be spoilable, for better balance vs dnet. I think that after we improve to gracia dnet should be changed to vesper ant that will be all no dnet - just donate for vesper (dnet) for same price (dnet should be changed into vesper to avoid possible scam opportunity)
Somethings r supossed to be hard to made, if we make all things easy none will farm for nothing. Those who wanna get things easier donate, others should have hard work to get then, otherwise what's the purpose to donate?!?
imo DNET should keep as DNET, and if Vesper will be implemented on server Dyna Armors maybe start to have parts spoilable with rate like weapons and mobs could be in some new place or Parnasus for example.
4. manor system evolved from my last time cry topic. Now we can harvest more fruits than last time but it should be also improved more, but its not very urgent. When u change recipes/ spoils rates, it will be time to think about more changes.
Manor system sucks atm, for those who can get the rewards (mostly l2w users) it's ok, but most of people dont get nothing since some people clean the important rewards as soon as it appears to make trades, i think Manor should be more fair to all people.
5. npc buff bot - its not necessery since we are x30 server and dualbox is allowed u can make some pp or wc too.
Dont think like an old player, but think as a new player on server. Most of times none sells buff on Aden, not all people make XX accs to play on a new server when they start playing, and i'm not talking about a NPC buffer with all buffs max lvl, but as i said 1 lvl less than max of buff, just to help people XP.
And for 1 hour, cause come back to town each 20 mins to get buffs is shit.
Well about events u may have right.
A/b sets. Well i wrote that it should be shadow items to help get better staff. Even +6 at least armor. Wepons should have at least sa (shadow items) Even u say that b grade sux i say that it should be too (people need some stuff between c and a grade), there was a proposition to make lower stats of mobs 50-61 lvl but its simplier just to give b grade items(shadow). It should be a carrot.
To decrease adena amount siplier way is for example give some goods to buy useing adena. I don't mean ews,eas event. For example posibility to buy better shirts (c,b grade and enchants armor c,b only), some accesories(masks, hats), or bracelets. And it would be enough. Or some event in which to level up u need to spent some adena (rewards can be random).
About dynasty parts it can be under discussion. dynasty sets can't be matched up with dnet, so sooner or later if u want to "own" u should have it.
Sry but i dont agree with you about manor. Many people from my clan plant manor from time to time. it is simple for all users. it resets in one moment of day. all people just have to change fruits for materials in certain time. It needs few days to guess exact hour. The only think that can be made to make change harder is to make change time random. But it would only be against people who play a lot and plant seeds sometimes all day. Yes there may be some l2w users but all people i know that are changeing fruits have their strategy of planting, that help them seed nearly sometimes 600 fruits per hour. When i was useing my sh/ps i get 224 fruits per hour but it depends from buff and char class.
About buffer npc ... hmm u may be right it should be that people without 3-rd class should get free low level buff from adventure guildsman. but this also will be agains buffer,healer type low level chars. How will they have to level up if everyone will not need their buffs????
so many farmers :D