So you make Bison now belove 60 or 30% hp after restart....
Thx for the nerf....Now I cant farm alone....Hate u..Gz...bb
rofl amazing
Quote from: 2Dark4You on September 07, 2010, 12:26:24 PM
So you make Bison now belove 60 or 30% hp after restart....
Thx for the nerf....Now I cant farm alone....Hate u..Gz...bb
what a shame : (
Yep it is.... :)
Gm's maybe next time say "in 1 week we will nerf bla bla bla"... so I dont make that char :)
Me and my friend made a ty/de yesterday....
I see this server is same like x15
This nerf was told weeks before , go search the forum...
Sorry, I don't understand .. a new bison change was made on Valkyrie ? Or you crying here about changes made on NM,Dragon ?
Quote from: jailaa on September 07, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
Sorry, I don't understand .. a new bison change was made on Valkyrie ? Or you crying here about changes made on NM,Dragon ?
Chnage was made on all servers, and we said we will disable solo raiding long ago. Ive see no reason to make new drama over it.
Quote from: Torn on September 07, 2010, 02:56:18 PM
Chnage was made on all servers, and we said we will disable solo raiding long ago. Ive see no reason to make new drama over it.
WRITE CHANGE LOG
Quote from: ChujoZord on September 07, 2010, 03:06:14 PM
WRITE CHANGE LOG
We do have loader updates text for a reason, dont you think so?
its shame for ty players but maybe we dont see anymore isle of bot full off ty and wc on back .. farming stones
Quote from: Torn on September 07, 2010, 03:22:19 PM
We do have loader updates text for a reason, dont you think so?
And because we have a loader you don't want to waste 3mins of your time to post change history here, very nice : ]
edit: just checked the updater, there is no info about changes that has been done here on valkyrie, so... ; ]
p.s. I think that nerfing bison is good for teamplay here, but I don't think that keeping things a secret will do good for our community.
Quote from: Akira on September 07, 2010, 03:57:48 PM
And because we have a loader you don't want to waste 3mins of your time to post change history here, very nice : ]
edit: just checked the updater, there is no info about changes that has been done here on valkyrie, so... ; ]
p.s. I think that nerfing bison is good for teamplay here, but I don't think that keeping things a secret will do good for our community.
Its not that, cause as you can see i spend more then 3min on Valkyria daily, but im just type of the person who writes something in announcement when its final decision. Thats why i still didnt wrote anything yet because we are in final test period, once its done and its 100% ill be more then glad to write and inform you. So no hard feelings men(s) ;)
Only thing is ty without de sub kinda sucks... also, didnt think so much about wc on oly ?. Normal wc get the shaft for an overpowered sub, and that isnt fair. Its simple, if you wanna nerf ty-de u must do it in 2 step.
1st step. You must nerf bison with any other weapon thans fist.
2nd. You must nerf frenzy/rage with fist
after that u gonna have balanced ty-de and ty.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on September 07, 2010, 05:22:16 PM
mmmmm..... die? (fuking moron)
suuure, thats all what u can get out? U cant think or even admit that there is also unstacking mains and people that are without sub yet and its unfair for them ?
You make a class weaker cause u try to nerf something else.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on September 07, 2010, 06:02:56 PM
i'm already :D xD
the problem is that they shouldn't "NERF" ( i call it : fu ck up) de/ty at all.
sooo what u mean by this ?
Quote from: Torn on September 07, 2010, 02:56:18 PM
Chnage was made on all servers, and we said we will disable solo raiding long ago. Ive see no reason to make new drama over it.
you should have disabled it years ago. It's a little too late, now, you see?
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on September 07, 2010, 09:08:37 PM
that was funny
seems U are one of those "pro" players that can only turn on zelot + frenzy + bizon and kill everything alone..
like it was said before nerfs should not destroy other classes... nerfing bizon kills tyrants , nerfing bizon with other weapon than fists sounds fair
how does bizon work atm ? :D
Quote from: SlimThug on September 07, 2010, 09:32:47 PM
seems U are one of those "pro" players that can only turn on zelot + frenzy + bizon and kill everything alone..
like it was said before nerfs should not destroy other classes... nerfing bizon kills tyrants , nerfing bizon with other weapon than fists sounds fair
See thats nice and i disagree with cryers posts about nerfing ty/de and as well i disagree with opinions you wrote for "why shuld we nerf ty/de" .
Ty/de is char same as the others . U cna have OP ee/sps , u can have OP archer , ifu have the items . As i see it , ty/de was the only farm char for people without donations .
About the bulcrap "team play" . Dont nerf ty/de , but forbide dualbox , if u want teamplay .
About pvp " have you guys ever played ty/de in pvp ? Is not that easy as you are talking . Yes it have 20k+ patak , yes it have 1,6k atack speed with axe in Zealot (and dnet light) but all you need is BP with brain . Your bp shuld learn to "restore life" evry ork he see with fists/twohand . U can argue that "force barier cant be healed QQ" well yes.. but take him force barier and tyrant/destroyer ... have nothing . That is about pvp cryers .
For pve cryers i must say that the nerf is not rly any bad to farm . Evry exping is train matter anyway (rabbit + golem totem+spear ->or bear totem wotever) and taht your destro loose bizon will atleat push you to learn play your character .
make anti bot sistem FM
This nerf as you call it is the best thing thats happened
1:not many solo rb :D
2:now ty/xx can dominate in pvp/siege
people that are crying over it need to learn how to play tyrant
PS:PM undy for advice :)
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on September 07, 2010, 10:59:51 PM
anyway well, slimthug, when u want u can pvp against my pr/bd, np ;D , in this weeks i haven't so many time to log in coz personal things, but who know......
(failed?)
well we can pvp , I got spoiler lvl 76 subbed to tyrant (lvl 71 or 72 dont even remmember) not to mantion my equip
and why U talk about pvp with tyr/destro .. its killable class like every other
but I was talkign about killing mobs/raids. actually for me it looks like that ... some class is overpowered on this server, gms/admins/whatever dont do anything to make it balance .. they just nerf whole class (killing other possible subs not to mantion ppl without sub) or better .. make RB stronger = not posible to kill for normal players/other chars
ps. and yes would be much better if there was antybot system ... coz I dont believe in all those shops with materials , selling milions of some rare shits
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on September 08, 2010, 02:19:45 PM
GOD DAMNIT DE/TY IS A FU CKING NORMAL CLASS !!!!!!! WHEN DE/PAL GOT NERFED (I HAD 1) I THOUGH "OK, NP" MUTANS ARE OE NERF THEM, BUT FFS U WANNA NERF MORE DE/TY?? ARE U JOKING ME ? ITS A NORMAL FUKING SUB.
dude listen.......... i explained it tons of times................ so i will just copy/paste
i hope its easy to understand
it is u who got problem with understanding, even if its not retail server , even if we got subs , it shouldnt be like 1 class can kill rb alone , and party of other classes cant ... got it? or U are just another allegro seller and if they nerf ty/de u will not be able to get easy adena/items/coins to get some rl cash?
Quote from: GekKey on September 07, 2010, 05:17:38 PM
Only thing is ty without de sub kinda sucks... also, didnt think so much about wc on oly ?. Normal wc get the shaft for an overpowered sub, and that isnt fair. Its simple, if you wanna nerf ty-de u must do it in 2 step.
1st step. You must nerf bison with any other weapon thans fist.
2nd. You must nerf frenzy/rage with fist
after that u gonna have balanced ty-de and ty.
3rd step is to delete frenzy+zealot,these skills are so useless for de/ty
Quote from: SlimThug on September 08, 2010, 02:05:39 PM
ps. and yes would be much better if there was antybot system ... coz I dont believe in all those shops with materials , selling milions of some rare shits
Yea, we should have antibot system. But all mats arent spoiled or etc with walker.
why not remove ty de sub?? just dont touch tyrant?!!!
now bison like on gracia ,but gracia have better ogre totem
im on NM tyr/de still soloing every RB like before XD bison nerf its just a fake from our gms. .......
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on September 08, 2010, 10:45:45 PM
i told it tons of time : where is the point to nerf skills if de/ty can still soloing rb? just to make poor player become mad.....
I`ll tell you the point !!! Just now u must be rly good ty/des for killing rb. Rb is no normal mob for kill by evvyone now u must have some better items and some skill to play ty/des / what buffs use bla bla.
Now faq talum set + dha +3 is not enought for it and this is good one becouse at start i think track will totally faq orcs and bison will work only and only with fist but he just decrease crt rate with other weapons.
Nerf some more plizzz...Cuz all is the same just need to lower my hp a bit...Plox nerf my class a bit more,cuz you failed this time.
Dont nerf other class'es just nerf Ty/De cuz they can kill rb alone.Have can we kill Rb's whit mage's when we lose mana in 4 min,whit 2 mana recharger?But dont fix that pliz just nerf Ty/De more cuz that is all you guy's done in 2 m. that I'm here.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on September 08, 2010, 11:57:17 PM
dude, where you live? look on NM/INFINITY/DRAGON.......... 90% of ppl are in dynasty/DNet..... so what are u talking about?
anyway GM TOLD : "WE NERF BISONT COZ WE WANT THAT RBs WILL BE UNKILLABLE BY 1 DE/TY". they didn't tell : " WE WANT THAT RBs WILL BE KILLABLE ONLY BY GOOD SKILLED/EQUIPPED DE/TY " and these 2 things are soooooooooooooo different , so GL
90 % ... 90% on nm for example are bots who stay in aden and spam wtt/wts and only 10 % ppls playing other leave :D
Tall set +hd+f and fully buffed ty/dest can still OWN 70% raids on server
Everyone Crying for Nerf but if anything they are basicly the same, I't might just take 5-6 mins more then usual..
OH NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D
Quote from: StonerBashin on September 09, 2010, 03:39:42 AM
Tall set +hd+f and fully buffed ty/dest can still OWN 70% raids on server
Everyone Crying for Nerf but if anything they are basicly the same, I't might just take 5-6 mins more then usual..
OH NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D
+1 use a facking hd+f and u can use zealot and fenzy and have almost critical rate...
2 parties of mages cant kill a rb, fix it before to start nerf somthing else.
Was it so hard for drake , giving like 60% blunt/2h sword protection to all rb ?xD
Quote from: Dhart on September 09, 2010, 12:55:35 PM
Was it so hard for drake , giving like 60% blunt/2h sword protection to all rb ?xD
what you think how it looks like in program code ?
if raidboss==baium
use resist blunt==60%
else do nothing
end
you think if it would be so simple, they prefer to change skills than that ? i dont think so.
Quote from: SlimThug on September 07, 2010, 09:32:47 PM
seems U are one of those "pro" players that can only turn on zelot + frenzy + bizon and kill everything alone..
like it was said before nerfs should not destroy other classes... nerfing bizon kills tyrants , nerfing bizon with other weapon than fists sounds fair
when ur a ty on 30% hp u must activate 2 skills now... and ty dont have battle roar... it fuking sucks, i cant even pvp with my ty.wc when i get 30% and try turn zealot and bison im already dead... just zealot wasnt always easz to turn on... that was a great fix on bison, considering that once u activate it, it works normally...
Quote from: k0rina on September 09, 2010, 09:01:54 PM
pfff wtf u cry here
i still farm /exp/ kill rb alone so ?
exactly... the point is, ty.de is the same as before, only that u activate bison on 30%... but for Ty without sub/de sub.. we got freaked and not ty.de
I want bisont as its is now :) is 1 upgrade for orcs since long time i think...just for farmers and pvp players is cool because u mby last longer on pvp now.. and on pve u can farm easy with good support
Quote from: Chad on September 10, 2010, 05:39:59 AM
I want bisont as its is now :) is 1 upgrade for orcs since long time i think...just for farmers and pvp players is cool because u mby last longer on pvp now.. and on pve u can farm easy with good support
my ty.wc sucks even more on pvp... its boring... when i get to use bison, and zealot (- 200 hp), the enemy has like 2 more shot to kill me, i dont have enought time to use both skill that im already dead
Well why not put bisont 200 crit rate( 300 is now) at full hp,,,well anyway is nice boost for tyrants lol why remove it .. i dont see even 1 tyrant on any pvp xD
this change was supposed to make de-ty weaker on raids/exp i guess, all it did is screw TYs in pvp this fix totally missed the target.
In other words, if they were an archer, and they would put an apple on my head and shoot it, they would shoot me in the balls/foot, or not even hit me
GM's you need to nerf this class some more,cuz I see ty/de killing rb's farming ,boting and all ALONE no team play O.o wtf......You failed one more time....sry for the QQ but you only nerf or ban here...
Because that ppls still have some brain to play as tyrant or as destro...For bisont on tyrants is nice because well i was thinking on some update for this char, and well if u ppls ( some of u ) QQ of critical rate on full hp well is just rape in oly and on good items on pvp archers still can kill us or mages wherever u want but this bisont for ty/xx is i think nice i hope it dont dissapear when all updates are implemented =/
They nerf zealot and frenzy too.so dunno if you will like it now :-X
I am talking about ty/wc or ty/ol xD what nerf on zealot lol dont talk about destro talk about tyrants :P
Quote from: Chad on September 13, 2010, 05:51:45 AM
I am talking about ty/wc or ty/ol xD what nerf on zealot lol dont talk about destro talk about tyrants :P
And ther is like 3 char's who take sub ty/wc or ol....the rest is ty/de
Quote from: 2Dark4You on September 13, 2010, 12:49:48 PM
And ther is like 3 char's who take sub ty/wc or ol....the rest is ty/de
yup, that's lame that everyone has this sub, and you're the one crying all the time.
Quote from: 2Dark4You on September 13, 2010, 12:49:48 PM
And ther is like 3 char's who take sub ty/wc or ol....the rest is ty/de
I was smart so xD bisont rox :P
Quote from: QUICKSILVERRR on September 13, 2010, 03:12:14 PM
OMFG :D when did that happend?
Hi drug addcit/hater or addict to hate :P kiss my ass anyway :D
Quote from: Akira on September 13, 2010, 12:51:25 PM
yup, that's lame that everyone has this sub, and you're the one crying all the time.
ty.de sucks !!! xDD
so, im one of the ty-wc who are the 2 others? and yea, now it sucks for pvp :/
Quote from: GekKey on September 14, 2010, 02:25:11 AM
ty.de sucks !!! xDD
so, im one of the ty-wc who are the 2 others?
Chad and one more :D
Quote from: QUICKSILVERRR on September 14, 2010, 05:55:40 PM
hi my friend ;) <3 i see u still like me ;D
With love frome Argentina facking fat serbian :P
Quote from: QUICKSILVERRR on September 16, 2010, 03:43:18 PM
u can suck balls to fat serbian as maria did :D
ps. i still didnt pay her :D but i will pay you np ;)
Sure kiddo xD u believe on ur words or u r just an ass? :D
Stop whit this lol....Post stuff of bison or ty/de or just ty skills ::)
Quote from: QUICKSILVERRR on September 16, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
sorry mate i was just flaming best ty/wc on whole DN community :D
p.s. <3 Maria
Ma nema frke...samo kazem ja se bezveze prepirete tu :D
he mby is on drugs so is spam mmm well bisont on ty/de is over
PD: I am not wc xD