Will u bring some balance to the server ffs ? 15.3k m att 120 dmg. Keen has no sof or heroe ud . What would an average mage of 8k m att hit ?
This is hillarious. I ll test on him with 30k m att and post screen again. Dark attacks are a joke
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5863/120dmg.jpg)
debuff him ! XD
Here's news: m.atk isnt the only factor affecting ur damage.
Quote from: lucifsg on November 17, 2010, 11:13:08 PM
Will u bring some balance to the server ffs ? 15.3k m att 120 dmg. Keen has no sof or heroe ud . What would an average mage of 8k m att hit ?
This is hillarious. I ll test on him with 30k m att and post screen again. Dark attacks are a joke
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5863/120dmg.jpg)
its cause new buff bar aka u can buff resists vs every mage... i hit every 1 for 100-450
Quote from: Alex on November 17, 2010, 11:54:12 PM
Here's news: m.atk isnt the only factor affecting ur damage.
accuracy mby? -.- ::)
O luci kusas mor? ta cif sa natna mir
Ta cija nonen karin.
With 4-5 parts armore on dark atribute its waste of m.atk and this help only at 1vs 1 .Outside oly is also waste of coins if someone have 5 sets DNET cuz if you protect your self from necro comes a sps with 2XHidro and u r gone.
Quote from: jygh on November 18, 2010, 12:21:29 AM
its cause new buff bar aka u can buff resists vs every mage... i hit every 1 for 100-450
dude even with every ressist there is around and i mean everything vs dark , 120 dmg from someone with 15.3k m att is pathetic. with 30k m att i will hit for less than 240 i bet on that. cant w8 to test that actually. not to mention what if rune open or counter defence etc etc...
@alex
what do u mean by that ? in case u didnt notice dark attacks suck badly.
drkeen with 8-9k m att was hitting me for 480 in full m def setup , full holy ressist on set and full ressist buffs. 480 sounds decent at least and his skill has like 30 more attack power.
and to you and everyone else before u say ur smart idea test ingame and then talk pls.
Whats strange for me is why the freak against p.atk isnt the same protection:) go vs top archers on full wind defence and there will stil be 2,5 every single arrow.At least on me but go wach vids posted here on forum with deadhand for example vs some other sps.One heal cant cover the dmg.
why only on p atk?
Quote from: NYPD on November 18, 2010, 01:38:53 AM
Whats strange for me is why the freak against p.atk isnt the same protection:) go vs top archers on full wind defence and there will stil be 2,5 every single arrow.At least on me but go wach vids posted here on forum with deadhand for example vs some other sps.One heal cant cover the dmg.
why only on p atk?
cause most archers r donators
lucif i hit litlewabit who for sure dont ve full dark resist in armor for 190 ... and i ve around 10k m.atk :P it be came funny lol everyone should reroll to archer cuz archers r so poor that hit everyone except tank for 2k +
Quote from: jygh on November 18, 2010, 01:42:54 AM
cause most archers r donators
lucif i hit litlewabit who for sure dont ve full dark resist in armor for 190 ... and i ve around 10k m.atk :P it be came funny lol everyone should reroll to archer cuz archers r so poor that hit everyone except tank for 2k +
If u means today.. We have full buff vs Dark atk and water :D and... How are you sure he dont have x2 parts full dark? ???
now 2 parts vs dark sux,even 3.
Dark attribute does nt suck O.o its same like rest attributes .
Drkeen had 3 parts(at least) dark defend + dark potion +2-3 dark buff resists on your screen .
The point is that once you reach the 450 def vs dark (example) ,even if you use 4th dark part you wont get any farther damage reduction .
But you will get more damage reduction from death spike itself if you use buff resists .
I dont see the point of making QQ topics everytime you dont deal awesome damage or you loosing oly points .
Sometimes i face well buffed enemies or well made attributes vs me or even both and i deal 1k criticals with 10k+ p.atack + 2 critical damage self skills plus Duel might 10 but i m absolutely fine with it ,you cant always win .
Shall i open a topic too? Come on get serious .
Quote from: jygh on November 18, 2010, 01:42:54 AM
lucif i hit litlewabit who for sure dont ve full dark resist in armor for 190 ... and i ve around 10k m.atk :P it be came funny lol everyone should reroll to archer cuz archers r so poor that hit everyone except tank for 2k +
well on catos or on other wc/bp or nec/bp(no tank bishop) i hit 2.5-5k dmg, on mage/tank 700-1k~ on warior/tank 1.5-2k
see the difference?
Quote from: jygh on November 18, 2010, 01:42:54 AM
cause most archers r donators
tell me one archer who is donator?!?!?!
Quote from: Deavon on November 18, 2010, 03:14:08 AM
Dark attribute does nt suck O.o its same like rest attributes .
Drkeen had 3 parts(at least) dark defend + dark potion +2-3 dark buff resists on your screen .
The point is that once you reach the 450 def vs dark (example) ,even if you use 4th dark part you wont get any farther damage reduction .
But you will get more damage reduction from death spike itself if you use buff resists .
I dont see the point of making QQ topics everytime you dont deal awesome damage or you loosing oly points .
Sometimes i face well buffed enemies or well made attributes vs me or even both and i deal 1k criticals with 10k+ p.atack + 2 critical damage self skills plus Duel might 10 but i m absolutely fine with it ,you cant always win .
Shall i open a topic too? Come on get serious .
atributes vs you ? come on, get serious.
Make tests with friends to check if atributes in set works vs archer, then you can post things like this
and pls make a screen when you do 1k on not a tank
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 01:28:45 AM
@alex
what do u mean by that ? in case u didnt notice dark attacks suck badly.
no doubt that dude had 4 dark resists (song, pp buff, bp buff, dance) thats -30% damage x4. + full set on dark resist and that gives -50% damage. Same calculation applies to dagger skills+attribute. No doubt he used magnus chant as well, which gives 10% more mdef than CoV fighters usuall use.
i remember how everybody was afraid of necros on NM, but i really doubt everybody has full dark resist (3 armor parts) and 4 buffs vs dark all the time.
ps. without resists and full attribute in set u would hit him for 800 damage or so, since normally nobody uses more than 2 resists the damage is pretty fine.
Quote from: Deavon on November 18, 2010, 03:14:08 AM
Dark attribute does nt suck O.o its same like rest attributes .
Drkeen had 3 parts(at least) dark defend + dark potion +2-3 dark buff resists on your screen .
The point is that once you reach the 450 def vs dark (example) ,even if you use 4th dark part you wont get any farther damage reduction .
But you will get more damage reduction from death spike itself if you use buff resists .
I dont see the point of making QQ topics everytime you dont deal awesome damage or you loosing oly points .
Sometimes i face well buffed enemies or well made attributes vs me or even both and i deal 1k criticals with 10k+ p.atack + 2 critical damage self skills plus Duel might 10 but i m absolutely fine with it ,you cant always win .
Shall i open a topic too? Come on get serious .
dude can u for once read wtf im talking about before we turn this into a flame topic as usuall ? u try to explain that 120 dmg from 15.3 k m att is normal ?????????? i dont need explanations about how attri works i believe i know better than anyone else in here, me and 3-4 guys from ally
ofc he had full ressist and same did i when he hit me (full holy ressist on set etc etc) . but i hit for 120 and he hit back for 480 with almost half m att than mine. i dont wanna win always didnt say that , i would gladly accept 400 dmg but com on 120 ??? and with rly high m att ?!
Quote from: Alex on November 18, 2010, 09:13:53 AM
no doubt that dude had 4 dark resists (song, pp buff, bp buff, dance) thats -30% damage x4. + full set on dark resist and that gives -50% damage. Same calculation applies to dagger skills+attribute. No doubt he used magnus chant as well, which gives 10% more mdef than CoV fighters usuall use.
i remember how everybody was afraid of necros on NM, but i really doubt everybody has full dark resist (3 armor parts) and 4 buffs vs dark all the time.
ps. without resists and full attribute in set u would hit him for 800 damage or so, since normally nobody uses more than 2 resists the damage is pretty fine.
i allready said he has set vs dark as i said that i have set vs holy . i said we both had max ressist buffs which includes magnus and all the rest obvious things . my point is that even on full ressists i hit 120 dmg with 15.3k m att which is pathetic and he hits me on freakin same ressists for 480 with half m att than me. do i have to use paintshop to explain what im saying , its not hard for everyone to get it so i dont see the reason u try to explain everything is fine . have u ever seen so low dmg from any other class ?
now instead of thinking how many parts vs dark everyone has , can u explain the very simple question of us both on full ressists him with 1/2 m att than mine him hitting 480 , me hitting 120 ?!!
ffs check his reuse of skills, and power, and stop qq
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 10:11:20 AM
now instead of thinking how many parts vs dark everyone has , can u explain the very simple question of us both on full ressists him with 1/2 m att than mine him hitting 480 , me hitting 120 ?!!
what weapon he have? what dnet set give? since when qq-topics u call nocomment?
Quote from: trooperXkoki on November 18, 2010, 10:29:59 AM
what weapon he have? what dnet set give? since when qq-topics u call nocomment?
i ll give it a try to answer u , though i doubt it ll lead somewhere...
he has ica +10 mine has 1 m att more than his so we basically use same weapon. what does it matter what weapon he is using since im saying i had 15.3k m att and he had 8-9
dnet set gives ressist to dark and i wonder why it should
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 10:46:57 AM
i ll give it a try to answer u , though i doubt it ll lead somewhere...
he has ica +10 mine has 1 m att more than his so we basically use same weapon. what does it matter what weapon he is using since im saying i had 15.3k m att and he had 8-9
dnet set gives ressist to dark and i wonder why it should
well what if he got 5k mdef? how we know he dont have?
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 10:11:20 AM
i allready said he has set vs dark as i said that i have set vs holy . i said we both had max ressist buffs which includes magnus and all the rest obvious things . my point is that even on full ressists i hit 120 dmg with 15.3k m att which is pathetic and he hits me on freakin same ressists for 480 with half m att than me. do i have to use paintshop to explain what im saying , its not hard for everyone to get it so i dont see the reason u try to explain everything is fine . have u ever seen so low dmg from any other class ?
now instead of thinking how many parts vs dark everyone has , can u explain the very simple question of us both on full ressists him with 1/2 m att than mine him hitting 480 , me hitting 120 ?!!
there is 1 less resist buff vs holy attack, dnet set gives 8% resist vs dark, frintezza gives 15% resist dark (in case he used it), elfs have more MEN. Maybe there is something I could forget. There are a lot of things which in summary make a big difference.
Thats of course in case u didnt falsify the test.
Quote from: Alex on November 18, 2010, 11:07:53 AM
there is 1 less resist buff vs holy attack, dnet set gives 8% resist vs dark, frintezza gives 15% resist dark (in case he used it), elfs have more MEN. Maybe there is something I could forget. There are a lot of things which in summary make a big difference.
Thats of course in case u didnt falsify the test.
test is fine , true about dnet set (dunno if its 8% but if u say so ) he didnt had frint i believe , have to ask that. Still doesnt explain the dif in dmg .
So far i wonder if dark dmg is reduced in pvp and makes me point out why frint and dnet should have ressist to dark ?! There was a time ppl was saying necros was hiting hard (which i dont believe) thus why dnet set gave ressist to dark . That time past and atm necros suck (thats why so fiew of us left) so i dont see the point thoose ressists exist.
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 11:47:13 AM
test is fine , true about dnet set (dunno if its 8% but if u say so ) he didnt had frint i believe , have to ask that. Still doesnt explain the dif in dmg .
So far i wonder if dark dmg is reduced in pvp and makes me point out why frint and dnet should have ressist to dark ?! There was a time ppl was saying necros was hiting hard (which i dont believe) thus why dnet set gave ressist to dark . That time past and atm necros suck (thats why so fiew of us left) so i dont see the point thoose ressists exist.
well was not bad before changing of the buff bar... i was hiting for 300-400 only few ppls :D . now i hit he/wk on tp for 79 ...... on full buff ofc
Quote from: Deavon on November 18, 2010, 03:14:08 AM
Dark attribute does nt suck O.o its same like rest attributes .
Drkeen had 3 parts(at least) dark defend + dark potion +2-3 dark buff resists on your screen .
The point is that once you reach the 450 def vs dark (example) ,even if you use 4th dark part you wont get any farther damage reduction .
But you will get more damage reduction from death spike itself if you use buff resists .
I dont see the point of making QQ topics everytime you dont deal awesome damage or you loosing oly points .
Sometimes i face well buffed enemies or well made attributes vs me or even both and i deal 1k criticals with 10k+ p.atack + 2 critical damage self skills plus Duel might 10 but i m absolutely fine with it ,you cant always win .
Shall i open a topic too? Come on get serious .
bullsh1ts!
Quote from: Deavon on November 18, 2010, 03:14:08 AM
Sometimes i face well buffed enemies or well made attributes vs me or even both and i deal 1k criticals with 10k+ p.atack + 2 critical damage self skills plus Duel might 10 but i m absolutely fine with it ,you cant always win .
then why we dont see less dmg than 2.5k on ur movie ?? no 1 was well buffed? prolly ur well buffed enemy r staying on ud while u hit em for 1k xd
Quote from: lucifsg on November 17, 2010, 11:13:08 PM
Will u bring some balance to the server ffs ? 15.3k m att 120 dmg. Keen has no sof or heroe ud . What would an average mage of 8k m att hit ?
This is hillarious. I ll test on him with 30k m att and post screen again. Dark attacks are a joke
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5863/120dmg.jpg)
it is freaking true ! enchant deth spike on dark atack don't work, we have shity atribut system, evrythink have resist for dark, frint was bosted vs dark and now necro is tottaly freaked up, evry one nuker is better then necro
Dont panic, he just post pic...wanna to show all that he have big matack...calm down
Oh man...
Im away from game for about 2 months to finish college and other stuff and no1 fixed dark attack enchant?
WTF?
btw, I totally support lucif, jyg marico and all other ppl that depends on dark attacks.
We were strong before, they reduced our power, now we got screwed again?
lets all become archers. ;D
PS: miss you all. december/january Im back.
PS2: Jyg marico!
PS3: weezer, me manda PM com a senha do TS. eh o mesmo ainda?
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
dude can u for once read wtf im talking about before we turn this into a flame topic as usuall ? u try to explain that 120 dmg from 15.3 k m att is normal ?????????? i dont need explanations about how attri works i believe i know better than anyone else in here, me and 3-4 guys from ally
ofc he had full ressist and same did i when he hit me (full holy ressist on set etc etc) . but i hit for 120 and he hit back for 480 with almost half m att than mine. i dont wanna win always didnt say that , i would gladly accept 400 dmg but com on 120 ??? and with rly high m att ?!
For your information ,Messalina got a +10 hall water and a +15 hall holy ,which of them used?:D
If i can reach 3k m.def with my jewles + 4 dark ressist buffs and dance/song and 3 parts of dark armor ressist ,yes even with 15k m.atack you will hit me for 120 .
Quote from: Locus on November 18, 2010, 09:09:35 AM
atributes vs you ? come on, get serious.
Make tests with friends to check if atributes in set works vs archer, then you can post things like this
and pls make a screen when you do 1k on not a tank
When i say "vs me" i dont say it with arrogance mode ,i mean attribute vs that i use ,i just cant name what i use cause i change it every 10 days anyway .
I have made tests with friends while still i was using holy attribute attack .
When my friend used 3 parts of holy defence i had a great damage reduce of 55% or a bit more . (4k ---> 1,8k)
You are tank ?No you are ne/ol and i dont hit you more than 1k+ 1k(on tp) if i remember well .
show normal test
ur buff
buff ur enemy / target
i cant belive - nuker with 15k m attack hitting only for +/- 100 dmg (yeah, meybe w/o bsss, debuffs all its possible - necro its not only f1,f1,f1.... f1 = gf)
Keen have hall+15 now and the other hall+10 is on GandonPort since last week.
Well since Necros already r nerfed in damage why not nerf land rate of mass debuffs and effect/range of DOD too?!?
I hope someday people will understand that some chars isnt only nukes...
But anyway if we gonna discuss about this we need to know more things, like status of Keen in that moment, like:
- what buffs he had?!? PvP setup buffs or all resists against Dark?!?
- some trigger working?!? he could have Rune and Alignment working that will reduce your damage a lot
- m. def he normally have + what attributes his using.
Then we can discuss, but only with full info.
Quote from: Weezer on November 18, 2010, 05:12:36 PM
- what buffs he had?!? PvP setup buffs or all resists against Dark?!?
- some trigger working?!? he could have Rune and Alignment working that will reduce your damage a lot
- m. def he normally have + what attributes his using.
Then we can discuss, but only with full info.
I cant agree more .
Are you guys even reading what luci is writing? he already said they were both on full defense vs each other's atribute. also said keen didnt have rune/sof/hero UD on, why do you insist on asking questions that's already been answered before being asked? ???
Keen was on 4 parts vs dark.thats all.
Kenn do not have better jews than luci.
Those dmg numbers are nonsense cuz outside at pvp i cant use 5 parts vs one atribute.
I got 3k-4 crits from necros in last days a lot!
Even Ftrjin on elf int gave me 4 k crit.
My quescion is: why we can not manage to protect vs archers atribute same as vs mage?:)
Quote from: Weezer on November 18, 2010, 05:12:36 PM
Well since Necros already r nerfed in damage why not nerf land rate of mass debuffs and effect/range of DOD too?!?
I hope someday people will understand that some chars isnt only nukes...
But anyway if we gonna discuss about this we need to know more things, like status of Keen in that moment, like:
- what buffs he had?!? PvP setup buffs or all resists against Dark?!?
- some trigger working?!? he could have Rune and Alignment working that will reduce your damage a lot
- m. def he normally have + what attributes his using.
Then we can discuss, but only with full info.
weez? u understand that he wanna post only to tell us "I HAVE 15K MATACK TAKE CARE ALL!"...cmon stop use ur words on shqiptars...
Quote from: Deavon on November 18, 2010, 03:14:14 PM
For your information ,Messalina got a +10 hall water and a +15 hall holy ,which of them used?:D
what part of it doesnt matter what he had u dont understand . i had 15k m att he had 8.
dude ur pointless repplies are annoying. u do everything u can to keep ur archer safe and powerfull while u dont have any idea about what mages should hit . both was on full ressists wake up and read what im saying. BOTH . got it ? me with x2 m att hit 120 he hit 480.
QuoteIf i can reach 3k m.def with my jewles + 4 dark ressist buffs and dance/song and 3 parts of dark armor ressist ,yes even with 15k m.atack you will hit me for 120 .
thats my point i should hit more ffs. 15k m att isnt common. so smth is wrong with dark attacks.
buttom line is that everyone who has dark attack agrees with that . so go back @ playing ur archer and be happy cause so far i didnt meet any archer even with +0 bow hitting me for less than 300 dmg on full ressist buffs and full attri on armor (and i got all ressists full, means 3 part on each )
Quote from: Weezer on November 18, 2010, 05:12:36 PM
- what buffs he had?!? PvP setup buffs or all resists against Dark?!?
- some trigger working?!? he could have Rune and Alignment working that will reduce your damage a lot
- m. def he normally have + what attributes his using.
Then we can discuss, but only with full info.
omg i ll start laughing. u guys are piece of art .
HE HAD FULL RESSIST BUFFS + FULL RESSIST ON ARMOR.- NOTHING MORE . no sof ud rune or anything else.
Quote from: mark_elesse on November 18, 2010, 05:35:28 PM
cause BH GM-friends playing all archers. and we donated for not to implement the antiarrow skills. you still cant use COP/WS/BS/SOF/GrShield/Blocking skills !!! //sarcams.
lol, what a freakin joke you are :d
in your case I do not have to worry too much yet because I have not seen anything to make me say wow against you, ;D you do not hit hard as in the past, something has changed or you may not have everything you need. Ofcourse i can't ask one entire army of archers to be nerfed cuz of one archer.
problem is that solutions can be found against any mage atribute but vs bows something go rly wrong.
look at dmg on lucifsg with 15 k m atk.now lets see..rly even a weapon +25 wont change much his dmg.
if he have 15 k am atk and i managed to make him CRIT for 400 why i can not manage to make a archer with 10 k p atk to crit me for 1k?:)
now back to balanced server:
ARE MAGE OP NOW?:)
look at vids prt,scr and dont be asshole , now try being truthful and objective, or we can post with sarcasm until server die.
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 05:58:23 PM
omg i ll start laughing. u guys are piece of art .
HE HAD FULL RESSIST BUFFS + FULL RESSIST ON ARMOR.- NOTHING MORE . no sof ud rune or anything else.
necro gonna be next dead class :P only 5-5 necro left on nm max anyway so lets reroll to archers .... everytime we hit for lets say 800-1000 they ve to fck us up :D
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 05:54:31 PM
thats my point i should hit more ffs. 15k m att isnt common. so smth is wrong with dark attacks.
Oh freak off ,i tried to be polite and explain you that you are wrong BUT nevermind cry more if you cant understand some basic things .
And guess what i ll do everything i can to make you CRY even more on forums and in game .
Not to mention that no one gives a shit about your crying topics ,specially GM's and Admins here .
Maybe cause mroe or less they know what kind of manipulating faggot you are .
Over and out of this shitty topic ,i wont reply again .
Quote from: Deavon on November 18, 2010, 06:10:58 PM
Oh freak off ,i tried to be polite and explain you that you are wrong BUT nevermind cry more if you cant understand some basic things .
And guess what i ll do everything i can to make you CRY even more on forums and in game .
Not to mention that no one gives a shit about your crying topics ,specially GM's and Admins here .
Maybe cause mroe or less they know what kind of manipulating faggot you are .
Over and out of this shitty topic ,i wont reply again .
explain that im wrong on what ? there are 2 reasons i dont want u to reply. 1st is that ur iq is lower than any other average tard i met in here. even trooper asked smth more smart , his m def . I explained things more than twice but u keep insisting on stupid questions like he had icarus +10 or 15 ?! (ahahah u just show the rest of us how stupid can u be asking that ). 2nd all ur care about is to save ur char nothing more nothing less. on one hand posting movies as i hear with 3k's and then lying on forum u hit for 1k . u dont make me cry (what r u 12 ?) , the only thing u can make is piss me while flaming safely behind ur pc screen (ye i mean what u just thought or probably someone explained u i may mean ). i hope u keep ur words and get lost from my topic douchebag
Quote from: Deavon on November 18, 2010, 03:19:50 PM
When i say "vs me" i dont say it with arrogance mode ,i mean attribute vs that i use ,i just cant name what i use cause i change it every 10 days anyway .
I have made tests with friends while still i was using holy attribute attack .
When my friend used 3 parts of holy defence i had a great damage reduce of 55% or a bit more . (4k ---> 1,8k)
You are tank ?No you are ne/ol and i dont hit you more than 1k+ 1k(on tp) if i remember well .
when i said "atributes vs you" i mean elemental atribute resist in armor vs archers atribute in bow
when i said about being serious i mean, that they doesnt work, so saying to wear ateibute vs archers is lol
FIX THAT SHIT PLS
Holy atribute resist works fine, rest is lol... 270, 170, 20 resist and still the same dmg...
and you hited me much much more..
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 06:57:27 PM
Ellow!
1. Necros should NOT hit as hard as nukers, since they are NOT nukers.
2. Your necro has Gloom, the SPS does not have surrender to holy atribute
3. Your necro has transfer pain so you actually receive like half dammage...
4. His Solar Flare has longer reuse delay than death spike, costs more mana + has 25% more basic power
5. SPS have more MEN than humans...
6. SPS has Arcane Roar (resistance to earth / water / fire / wind + 5 %) - dont know if this one works here...
7. there is one more ressist buff against dark
8. DNET sets, Frintezza
Just a few things i thought about after seeing you comparing the 2 classes... Not gonna comment the dammage of archers since i dont play here anymore and dont know what dammage there actually is in pvp between mages and archers ;)
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on November 18, 2010, 07:31:52 PM
Ellow!
1. Necros should NOT hit as hard as nukers, since they are NOT nukers.
2. Your necro has Gloom, the SPS does not have surrender to holy atribute
3. Your necro has transfer pain so you actually receive like half dammage...
4. His Solar Flare has longer reuse delay than death spike, costs more mana + has 25% more basic power
5. SPS have more MEN than humans...
6. SPS has Arcane Roar (resistance to earth / water / fire / wind + 5 %) - dont know if this one works here...
7. there is one more ressist buff against dark
8. DNET sets, Frintezza
Just a few things i thought about after seeing you comparing the 2 classes... Not gonna comment the dammage of archers since i dont play here anymore and dont know what dammage there actually is in pvp between mages and archers ;)
and why u take a voice in topic since u dont play l2 anymore?? even iff necro is not nuker as sps for example dealing 150 dmg on everyone is just sad . and bulsh1t about " tp" sumons die after 1-3 hits so hf with tp seriously :Deveyrone on nm got 2-3k m def + so no chance to land gloom or sh1t or is 1 per 15 try's
second since its custom server necro was NEVER just debuffer... u should kinda know it cause u was running on varka on kingbishop a lot
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 01:28:45 AM
120 dmg from someone with 15.3k m att is pathetic
drkeen with 8-9k m att was hitting me for 480
maybe Keen had magic critical hit? ;D
joke xD
anyway with new buffbar mages damage is funny ...
Quote from: Pawciu on November 18, 2010, 09:04:00 PM
maybe Keen had magic critical hit? ;D
joke xD
anyway with new buffbar mages damage is funny ...
no i thought of it too but was constant dmg of 480 ...
Quote from: trooperXkoki on November 18, 2010, 01:57:55 PM
Dont panic, he just post pic...wanna to show all that he have big matack...calm down
no i didnt , now i do
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2981/42ky.jpg)
but numbers on pvp doesnt matter. dmg does and dmg sucks
donator...
Quote from: trooperXkoki on November 18, 2010, 05:49:22 PM
weez? u understand that he wanna post only to tell us "I HAVE 15K MATACK TAKE CARE ALL!"...cmon stop use ur words on shqiptars...
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but it doesynt change anything, now necro is tottalu freaked up, bugged atr system, bugged enchant options, bigger resist on necro from frint etc.
PS: almighty dont say bullshits like necro is only debufer who say you that lol, don't talk abaut necro if you don't play here and don't know how nm is look like now!
PS2:ppl who dropt valakas when he cost 600+ coins can't be smart!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: chlipus on November 18, 2010, 10:37:18 PM
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but it doesynt change anything, now necro is tottalu freaked up, bugged atr system, bugged enchant options, bigger resist on necro from frint etc.
PS: almighty dont say bullshits like necro is only debufer who say you that lol, don't talk abaut necro if you don't play here and don't know how nm is look like now!
PS2:ppl who dropt valakas when he cost 600+ coins can't be smart!!!!!!!!!
Drake .
Quote from: jygh on November 18, 2010, 07:36:01 PM
and why u take a voice in topic since u dont play l2 anymore?? even iff necro is not nuker as sps for example dealing 150 dmg on everyone is just sad . and bulsh1t about " tp" sumons die after 1-3 hits so hf with tp seriously :Deveyrone on nm got 2-3k m def + so no chance to land gloom or sh1t or is 1 per 15 try's
second since its custom server necro was NEVER just debuffer... u should kinda know it cause u was running on varka on kingbishop a lot
He was comparing a necro vs sps, so i did it too... I didnt talk about the damage being too low. If you really hit people for 400 in normal pvp in sieges/varka and you get 2k hits from archers than i totally understand you being pissed. I would be too lol. But since i don't play anymore i cant talk about it, but i can still compare the 2 classes, and point out some things that are pretty obvious... And i never said necro was ONLY a debuffer, since thats bullshit, but his attacks should be less strong than those from nukers, witch was clearly not the case in c4 :)
And please dont whine about necros pets being killed fast... learn to protect em and i know what im talking about.
Quote from: chlipus on November 18, 2010, 10:37:18 PM
PS: almighty dont say bullshits like necro is only debufer who say you that lol, don't talk abaut necro if you don't play here and don't know how nm is look like now!
PS2:ppl who dropt valakas when he cost 600+ coins can't be smart!!!!!!!!!
Again, i never said hes only a debuffer, tard. Learn to read and understand some simple sentences.
P.s: Atleast i had fun pking people and pvping, while you were farming 24/7 for the last 3 years to gear up so you would be ready to pvp 1 vs 1, but now you ended up all pimped out with top gear but there are only 30 people left to pvp, and i guess you still zerg em, right?
Besides, i could get me a new valakas in few weeks, since it was pretty easy to get coins with 6-7 clients running ;) - and thats the reason i droped valakas anyways... But i realized that i wasted enough time with playing l2 already, so i just stoped and gave away stuff worth more than the 1 valakas for free to friends. ;)
So yeh, your so much smarter :D
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on November 18, 2010, 11:49:37 PM
He was comparing a necro vs sps, so i did it too... I didnt talk about the damage being too low. If you really hit people for 400 in normal pvp in sieges/varka and you get 2k hits from archers than i totally understand you being pissed. I would be too lol. But since i don't play anymore i cant talk about it, but i can still compare the 2 classes, and point out some things that are pretty obvious... And i never said necro was ONLY a debuffer, since thats bullshit, but his attacks should be less strong than those from nukers, witch was clearly not the case in c4 :)
And please dont whine about necros pets being killed fast... learn to protect em and i know what im talking about.
Learn to protect necro's summon? lol even on fullbuff vs all atributes and defense buff in a pet the pet dies from 2 crits from an archer, doesnt matter if its +0 or +15, it will die faster than anyone can heal it, not to mention it can also be erased by the erase skill. And no, they're not saying necros are hitting ppl for 400 dmg in pvp/sieges, they're saying necros hit for 100-250 in those situations.
P.S.: I get 400dmg from necros when I'm only depending on my 320 dark resist I get from the set, and 100 when I get full dark resist lol necros are indeed kinda fuked up, but oh well, not gonna complain about it, just gonna do what all the other ppl do..... NECROS ARE FINE, IT'S ALL FINE, IT'S ALL BALANCED!! ::)
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on November 18, 2010, 07:31:52 PM
Ellow!
1. Necros should NOT hit as hard as nukers, since they are NOT nukers.
2. Your necro has Gloom, the SPS does not have surrender to holy atribute
3. Your necro has transfer pain so you actually receive like half dammage...
4. His Solar Flare has longer reuse delay than death spike, costs more mana + has 25% more basic power
5. SPS have more MEN than humans...
6. SPS has Arcane Roar (resistance to earth / water / fire / wind + 5 %) - dont know if this one works here...
7. there is one more ressist buff against dark
8. DNET sets, Frintezza
Just a few things i thought about after seeing you comparing the 2 classes... Not gonna comment the dammage of archers since i dont play here anymore and dont know what dammage there actually is in pvp between mages and archers ;)
i hit much stronger from holy atacks 108 power(transformation wizard) with shit weap+3 4 lev holy then my mace from deth spike enchanted lol it is kinda shit
Quote from: legendaryvicious on November 19, 2010, 12:00:41 AM
Well i never had problems protecting my summon, i just left it few meters away from me.... (yea the distance is shorter now, i know i was also playing after the update).... But yea i guess it dies faster now cuz of the star wars icarus weapons and all the atribute skills + 50k m.attack lol!
Doesnt really matter, i was just comparing sps and necro, cuz luci was asking why the freak is an sps hitting harder. And FFS stop quoting me and reply with some crap about dammage, since i was not talking about the dammage of necros being too high zomg.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on November 18, 2010, 11:49:37 PM
And please dont whine about necros pets being killed fast... learn to protect em and i know what im talking about.
try to protect it now :P only sumoners class can " protect" them giving them immortal for 30 second cuz otherwise it die for 2 arrows max 3
Quote from: chlipus on November 18, 2010, 10:37:18 PM
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70k+ m attack, <lol> :D
this divine sh1ts should be deleted from dn (or better fix reuse divine transformations)
and sacrifice skills shouldnt stack, <lol2> :D
anyway when necro was op on NM (i play on dragon) all was ok.. 2k,2k,2k,8k Oo = gf + stupid comments ,,lear how to buff'' , lol (probably thats why many players now have sets with dark defence :D )
I just wonder ... why no one of them was QQing that its possible to get 72k m.atk. ( nah, its not the case here) <lol>
in the rest, Wizjoner is right imo
The only reply that i want to see now is (The ppl learned how to buff properly :D)
Quote from: chlipus on November 18, 2010, 10:37:18 PM
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but it doesynt change anything, now necro is tottalu freaked up, bugged atr system, bugged enchant options, bigger resist on necro from frint etc.
PS: almighty dont say bullshits like necro is only debufer who say you that lol, don't talk abaut necro if you don't play here and don't know how nm is look like now!
PS2:ppl who dropt valakas when he cost 600+ coins can't be smart!!!!!!!!!
nice one chi
Quote from: lucifsg on November 18, 2010, 09:37:49 PM
no i didnt , now i do
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but numbers on pvp doesnt matter. dmg does and dmg sucks
gz u reach 1k more then mi
can track give an answer about necros low dmg and tons of ressists vs dark ?
Quote from: lucifsg on November 20, 2010, 12:06:30 AM
can track give an answer about necros low dmg and tons of ressists vs dark ?
ofc he can but he wont :P normal on nm
Quote from: lucifsg on November 20, 2010, 12:06:30 AM
can track give an answer about necros low dmg and tons of ressists vs dark ?
y only this: vote our server or insert coin to continue
change target maybe?
Quote from: lucifsg on November 20, 2010, 12:06:30 AM
can track give an answer about necros low dmg and tons of ressists vs dark ?
ur so stupid after playing l2 for so many years ur still a dumb, dont u understand that necro isnt a common dd? his power is based at debuffs and nuke is just an extra add that make him able to fight. Wanna do dmg go mage sps or sh, or stop base at spaming ds
Quote from: Sali on November 20, 2010, 08:43:27 AM
ur so stupid after playing l2 for so many years ur still a dumb, dont u understand that necro isnt a common dd? his power is based at debuffs and nuke is just an extra add that make him able to fight. Wanna do dmg go mage sps or sh, or stop base at spaming ds
actually no , im pretty smart and im surrounded by stupid clowns like u. when a skill says it has 108 power it should have 108 power its simple as that. . among all other classes with attacking spells of 108 power dark attacks make the lowest dmg no matter if it comes from a necro , sh , da , bd or w/e. dunno maybe there is a pvp dmg reduce on dark attacks , while there are 2 useless ressists like frint and dnet sets. got it now clown ? and next time before u post ur retarded reply read 1st all the pages .
ps for morrons like u. dif between me and a nuker is that i lack the nuke spell (350 power or so). otherwise i should hit fine thats why ncsoft gave me gloom vortrex death spike and claw with 108 power same power as the basic attacking skills ur so called nukers got
Quote from: lucifsg on November 20, 2010, 11:28:58 AM
Frintezza's Necklace:
Reflect Damage: 10%
Dark Resist: +15% Resistance to Sleep/Paralysis/Shock: 15%
Sleep/Paralysis/Shock Attack Success Rate: 15%
Resistance to Poison: 25%
Poison Attack Success Rate: 25%
Bleed Resist: +50%
Re-use Delay Decrease: 10%
source: http://l2info.arktic.net/boss_jewel.html
So i guess you should blame Ncsoft for the frintezza necklace bonus...
And since DNET sets were actually just modified dynasty sets, they have dark ressist bonus just like dynasty sets... so again, you should complain to Ncsoft about that.
So go and wear a dc robe set, no raid jewels and use the same number of dark ressistance buffs and compare death spike with Hydro Blast (cuz they are bouth 108 power) and if you still do less dammage, than you have the right to whine, and ill support you :)
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on November 20, 2010, 01:12:45 PM
Frintezza's Necklace:
Reflect Damage: 10%
Increases Dark-Attribute 15
Resistance to Sleep/Paralysis/Shock: 15%
Sleep/Paralysis/Shock Attack Success Rate: 15%
Resistance to Poison: 25%
Poison Attack Success Rate: 25%
Bleed Resist: +50%
Re-use Delay Decrease: 10%
source: http://l2info.arktic.net/boss_jewel.html
So i guess you should blame Ncsoft for the frintezza necklace bonus...
And since DNET sets were actually just modified dynasty sets, they have dark ressist bonus just like dynasty sets... so again, you should complain to Ncsoft about that.
So go and wear a dc robe set, no raid jewels and use the same number of dark ressistance buffs and compare death spike with Hydro Blast (cuz they are bouth 108 power) and if you still do less dammage, than you have the right to whine, and ill support you :)
you re wrong, you don't play here and you don't know anythink, this is the dnet! we have bossted frint
Quote from: TrackZeroFrintezza necklace update boost:
increases mp by 42.
increases sleep/paralysis/shock resistance by 15%.
increases sleep/paralysis/shock attack probability by 15%.
increases poison/bleeding resistance by 25%.
increases poison/bleeding attack probability by 25%.
Decreases reuse delay.
Increase damage shield effect.
Increases Dark-Attribute Effect.
New bonuses added:
Dark resist +15
+200 patack
+200 crit. dmg.
+5 acuracy
+500 HP
Aaaa, theres 1 extra boost on dark ressist... mkay, my bad about that
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on November 20, 2010, 11:38:21 PM
Aaaa, theres 1 extra boost on dark ressist... mkay, my bad about that
dont listen to him, resist is the same at frint, just there is +to fighter stats
Quote from: lucifsg on November 20, 2010, 11:28:58 AM
actually no , im pretty smart and im surrounded by stupid clowns like u. when a skill says it has 108 power it should have 108 power its simple as that. . among all other classes with attacking spells of 108 power dark attacks make the lowest dmg no matter if it comes from a necro , sh , da , bd or w/e. dunno maybe there is a pvp dmg reduce on dark attacks , while there are 2 useless ressists like frint and dnet sets. got it now clown ? and next time before u post ur retarded reply read 1st all the pages .
ps for morrons like u. dif between me and a nuker is that i lack the nuke spell (350 power or so). otherwise i should hit fine thats why ncsoft gave me gloom vortrex death spike and claw with 108 power same power as the basic attacking skills ur so called nukers got
im a clown? look at u who is screaming for attention, just like a true clown. And all resists we got came from ncsoft, so why do u blame the server or others for that?
Quote from: Sali on November 21, 2010, 08:25:47 PM
so why do u blame the server or others for that?
bcuz he realized that he isnt Bruce Nolan ;D
LOLOLOLOLOLOOL :o :o
OMFG LUCY
almost 2-3 years later they still havent fixed my SE/SK dark atks LOL i don't know why you still try!!!!!!
MANY <3s
BUMP
yo saorin how r u dude ?
sps dmg sux too... on varka hits w/o cancel 140 it`s joke...and on full resisst cop+windstorm+cov+ etc from noob pr/bd 1,5k :o :o :o
well since our server has this sub system ,imo u cant make smth to result a ballance between all classes...u`ll allways find ,after the boost or nerf of anyway class, one thats OP... u just cant ballance this :) anyway the necro dmg is lame ...i saw in last siege..maciek was hiting my bishop w/o dnet set and w/o tezza(for resists) for 250-300 dmg dont remember well thats pure crap...anyway they can boost up