like topic says... tears storm is coming u should prepare your browser ::)
Quote from: Gonzal on November 23, 2010, 04:04:44 AM
like topic says... tears storm is coming u should prepare your browser ::)
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interesting, what they "fixed/nerfed" this time, couse still atribute in armor doesnt work vs bow atribute...
Quote from: Locus on November 23, 2010, 03:34:32 PM
interesting, what they "fixed/nerfed" this time, couse still atribute in armor doesnt work vs bow atribute...
prolly nothing . they just wanted to " prove" they do anythign so they made news :D
Nothing?? SO my char only reaches 1.5k atk speed now why exactly??
GZ QQ'ers once again you accomplished fighters to be nerfed b/c of 2/3 chars......discusting. :-\ :'( >:(
@ Track, i hope you thinked this trough seriously, i hope you beared in mind that now, not just me, we can reach 1.5k atk speed with dyna/db without chp!! So whats the point of having Ic if dyna and Db/Sb give me same max speed and are way way wayyyyyyyyyy cheaper!! I dunno Game masters but immo you just fuked up your piggy bank!!
I dunno why you did it. I'm not flaming. I'm just trying to suggest, put at least max atk speed 2k like mages....! No point having Icarus cause main Icarus feature is atk speed.!!!!!! Think about it one more time plox!
GZ +1
Quote from: Javardsnegger on November 23, 2010, 04:25:11 PM
I dunno why you did it. I'm not flaming. I'm just trying to suggest, put at least max atk speed 2k like mages....! No point having Icarus cause main Icarus feature is atk speed.!!!!!! Think about it one more time plox!
GZ +1
I was playing my archer with 900 attack speed all the time ,archers are all about p.attack and critical damage dude not about attack speed .
Tho it would be good for you to be a similar limit to mages casting speed , lets say like 2k-2.2k max since now they reach 3k+ (question :D) ?
Bro i'm just saying, i reach 1.5k whit dyna bow and db/sb! Whats the point having Ic wich is alot more expensive?
And don't say atk speed doesnt matter! Whats point you hitting me for 10k if i hit you in same time with 3 x 5k hits? <---- Just an example!
oh and i'm not saying i want same atk speed as mages cast speed. I'm just saying we should be able to have more atk speed with icarus to make it wishable! i hope i'm making myself clear.
Quote from: Javardsnegger on November 23, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
Whats point you hitting me for 10k if i hit you in same time with 3 x 5k hits? <---- Just an example!
Here excacly you loosing my point .
How to explain this simply ...hummm .
To reach 1,5k you have to use Monk x empowerd x 2 and berseker(which means less p.def and evasion) and if you are SR that idiotic(from NCsoft side) skill called Rapid fire(less range LOL) .
On the other had ,with 900 attack speed ,i dont use Monks but Orge ,ofc no berseker ( more p.def and evasion) and Dead eye (more critical damage and p.atack) .
The result will be that you will miss to 2 out the 3 shoot but i will not in my only 1 shot and you will die .
Its not personal but a example to show you why the archers does nt need attack speed .
Quote from: Javardsnegger on November 23, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
Bro i'm just saying, i reach 1.5k whit dyna bow and db/sb! Whats the point having Ic wich is alot more expensive?
And don't say atk speed doesnt matter! Whats point you hitting me for 10k if i hit you in same time with 3 x 5k hits? <---- Just an example!
oh and i'm not saying i want same atk speed as mages cast speed. I'm just saying we should be able to have more atk speed with icarus to make it wishable! i hope i'm making myself clear.
icarus bow reuse between hit is like 20-50 % less than with db/ shining lol
Quote from: Deavon on November 23, 2010, 04:44:28 PM
Here excacly you loosing my point .
How to explain this simply ...hummm .
To reach 1,5k you have to use Monk x empowerd x 2 and berseker(which means less p.def and evasion) and if you are SR that idiotic(from NCsoft side) skill called Rapid fire(less range LOL) .
On the other had ,with 900 attack speed ,i dont use Monks but Orge ,ofc no berseker ( more p.def and evasion) and Dead eye (more critical damage and p.atack) .
The result will be that you will miss to 2 out the 3 shoot but i will not in my only 1 shot and you will die .
Its not personal but a example to show you why the archers does nt need attack speed .
I have only 1 monk not empowered, but i see what you mean! still atk speed is important or it wouldn't be nerfed! I miss my damn 2.6k atk speed. Any way what i rly mean is why will i buy an ic+f+3 for 230 coins (donny) if i have way more p atk with a db+f+11/12 fior way less coins.
Do you understand? If they wanna nerf do it, imo they should think a bit and keep ic atractive! why don't they limit our atk speed at 2k and mages 2.5k? That would be a speed i could only reach with ic so i would need that bow. Do you see what i mean? Atm i reach 1.5k with dyna or db and db+12 has more p atk than ic!!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on November 23, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
And don't say atk speed doesnt matter! Whats point you hitting me for 10k if i hit you in same time with 3 x 5k hits? <---- Just an example!
Maybe cause u will be dead after 1 hit and wont be able to make those 3 hits?!?
Quote from: jygh on November 23, 2010, 04:53:07 PM
icarus bow reuse between hit is like 20-50 % less than with db/ shining lol
You are fking happy with all this aren't you! ;D >:( :P :-* :-*
Weeeeeeeeee! make a fking party!!
News flash! You still can't kill me naab! all my <3 to you.
Quote from: Weezer on November 23, 2010, 05:16:37 PM
Maybe cause u will be dead after 1 hit and wont be able to make those 3 hits?!?
It was an example weez! Anyway! He can't kill me with 1 hit! But this is not the point Faaak!
I can bet icarus price will drop and other bow's will rise a bit! Its a win win situation for me!
Thats not a bad thing so! GZ!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on November 23, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
It was an example weez! Anyway! He can't kill me with 1 hit! But this is not the point Faaak!
I can bet icarus price will drop and other bow's will rise a bit! Its a win win situation for me!
Thats not a bad thing so! GZ!
I play archer too and i think even with this "nerf" on attack speed icarus wont drop price too much, cause isnt only about attack speed, but reuse too, and after (except for SR class) normal archers don't get 1.5k without full buffs + CHP + certification or SR skill.
BTW they removed the nerf... now top atk speed is 2.5k and casting is 2.5k
time for mages to cry? :o
instead of "fixing" things that was pretty normal (a.speed, crt dmg on orcs) - they should fix attr. system in armor like Locus said - cause now it doesn't matter if you have 1 part, 2 part or even don't have resist vs attr. in armor - you still get same dmg
Quote from: Gonzal on November 23, 2010, 05:26:35 PM
BTW they removed the nerf... now top atk speed is 2.5k and casting is 2.5k
time for mages to cry? :o
fell free to use this topic... don't need to create another...
Quote from: Weezer on November 23, 2010, 05:30:29 PM
fell free to use this topic... don't need to create another...
i created the topic :D i knew from the first time this would happen ::)
there are more fighters/archers than mages so they cry harder (like always)
the only who know that the archers dont need atk speed is deavon... the rest only care of wow my 3k atk speed :o
Quote from: Javardsnegger on November 23, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
And don't say atk speed doesnt matter! Whats point you hitting me for 10k if i hit you in same time with 3 x 5k hits? <---- Just an example!
Imagine you are about to kill some lameass bishop.
You are giving him 3k per hit.
He can overheal the damage, is able to heal his comrades and still can laugh at your funny attempt.
ORYou can hit him once in a while, but for 10k, so he is dead in one shot and can't do a shit about it.
<---- Just an example!
Quote from: Gonzal on November 23, 2010, 05:33:41 PM
i created the topic :D i knew from the first time this would happen ::)
there are more fighters/archers than mages so they cry harder (like always)
the only who know that the archers dont need atk speed is deavon... the rest only care of wow my 3k atk speed :o
based on actual archers on server most of then preffer attack speed than p. attack, but u must remember that huge damage that deavon makes isnt only based in his p. attack but on GL and PR skills that adds a lot in damage.
Not all players r PR/GL lvl 85 IG atm, some of then preffer to make HE/GL but isn't the same thing.
imo P. Attack + char skills r way more important than attack speed, especially in my char it is.
THX for next nerf orc :D if u wanna make limit attack speed / casting speed make smth with this milion evasion of daggers also if they use 2/3 skills for evasion u miss all hits. If u wanna nerf so nerf all not only some class
Quote from: Gonzal on November 23, 2010, 05:33:41 PM
the only who know that the archers dont need atk speed is deavon... the rest only care of wow my 3k atk speed :o
You can sleep without nigthmares at nights now ,i m past ,quited,retired whatever :D
No more 10k-15k damages from me , i droped my most of my extra items and i shared my main items to friends yesterday :)
My cyrcle in l2 closed :P
mages nerfed (check malaria someone) atribute still freaked up, lets donate our lovely server and keep voting, DN number 1 !!
Quote from: Deavon on November 23, 2010, 06:09:33 PM
You can sleep without nigthmares at nights now ,i m past ,quited,retired whatever :D
No more 10k-15k damages from me , i droped my most of my extra items and i shared my main items to friends yesterday :)
My cyrcle in l2 closed :P
It was fun play vs u :D
GL in real
Quote from: qwertyzxc on November 23, 2010, 06:08:19 PM
THX for next nerf orc :D if u wanna make limit attack speed / casting speed make smth with this milion evasion of daggers also if they use 2/3 skills for evasion u miss all hits. If u wanna nerf so nerf all not only some class
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's nerf tanks P.def/shield P.def, They have too much!! also summoners/necros transfer pain, is not fair when they can share the dmg with their summon!!!.............................
/sarcasm off
BTW some1 can tell me what can i do to my pet to dont get erased by bp/ee/pp s?
really dont know what to do... dance of protection? ::)
Quote from: qwertyzxc on November 23, 2010, 06:08:19 PM
THX for next nerf orc :D if u wanna make limit attack speed / casting speed make smth with this milion evasion of daggers also if they use 2/3 skills for evasion u miss all hits. If u wanna nerf so nerf all not only some class
You rly do care about oly only don't you? Nerfing Evasion will make Daggers not worth playing anymore, we are suicidal enough. In mass pvp, sieges etc. Evasion is 1 of the things we have to rely on fighting fighters.
I heard something about nerf on crit dmg ? ::)
dunno if its also true...
Whats new now? cancel 100 % -5 buffs? :o