Ok seriously can that char be nerfed at least a little bit? I mean check stats in that new loader interface, its the most played char on oly and its way too powerful for it, it kills char that it simply shouldnt kill f.e th/pp and some other daggers, ty.wc also have veery hard time with them, most of them have over 300 pts and some good ones 700+ too, is it because they are so damn good players? I doubt it. This char is owning from always, on oly it was always or the best char or one of the best ( currently the best again)Im not saying to kill that char but at least make their debbufs land lower cause now its like 80%? add cancel to that + heal+eva+never ending mana and its just impossible to kill. Where is balance in all that?
Quote from: BeGood on January 31, 2011, 05:28:40 PM
Ok seriously can that char be nerfed at least a little bit? I mean check stats in that new loader interface, its the most played char on oly and its way too powerful for it, it kills char that it simply shouldnt kill f.e th/pp and some other daggers, ty.wc also have veery hard time with them, most of them have over 300 pts and some good ones 700+ too, is it because they are so damn good players? I doubt it. This char is owning from always, on oly it was always or the best char or one of the best ( currently the best again)Im not saying to kill that char but at least make their debbufs land lower cause now its like 80%? add cancel to that + heal+eva+never ending mana and its just impossible to kill. Where is balance in all that?
lineage 2 is not only oly... iff they r so overpowered reroll to any lol outside oly they r not so powerfull anymore .
If U think about it there are many ways to nerf sps.ee on oly w/o affecting it too much outside
Quote from: BeGood on January 31, 2011, 05:28:40 PM
most of them have over 300 pts and some good ones 700+
most of them? maybe u mean 3-5 ppl who are not bored to farm oly and they do it well
lol
nerf all sps/ee or any other classes because i lost xxx points vs one in oly :D
Quote from: BeGood on January 31, 2011, 05:28:40 PM
Ok seriously can that char be nerfed at least a little bit? I mean check stats in that new loader interface, its the most played char on oly and its way too powerful for it, it kills char that it simply shouldnt kill f.e th/pp and some other daggers, ty.wc also have veery hard time with them, most of them have over 300 pts and some good ones 700+ too, is it because they are so damn good players? I doubt it. This char is owning from always, on oly it was always or the best char or one of the best ( currently the best again)Im not saying to kill that char but at least make their debbufs land lower cause now its like 80%? add cancel to that + heal+eva+never ending mana and its just impossible to kill. Where is balance in all that?
you think some1 care ?
Quote from: jygh on January 31, 2011, 05:30:49 PM
lineage 2 is not only oly... iff they r so overpowered reroll to any lol outside oly they r not so powerfull anymore .
they just have 1 skill..
its npc fault not our :D
Quote from: BeGood on January 31, 2011, 05:28:40 PM
Ok seriously can that char be nerfed at least a little bit? I mean check stats in that new loader interface, its the most played char on oly and its way too powerful for it, it kills char that it simply shouldnt kill f.e th/pp and some other daggers, ty.wc also have veery hard time with them, most of them have over 300 pts and some good ones 700+ too, is it because they are so damn good players? I doubt it. This char is owning from always, on oly it was always or the best char or one of the best ( currently the best again)Im not saying to kill that char but at least make their debbufs land lower cause now its like 80%? add cancel to that + heal+eva+never ending mana and its just impossible to kill. Where is balance in all that?
Wiii nerf the 500 dmg that i make with the sps hurrayyyy!!!! what a pathetic that players that you meet in oly dude alre old oly Dogs who play oly with sps/ee since is opened with good equipment and things bether learn to kill them or make one sps/ee to see how is it, than QQ fo beeing OP
" BeGood " are you serious
There are 3-4 good sps/ee which you cannt kill inside olly and you start cry about that.... what a shame
p.s. better start thinking what you can change in your char or your game play to be able to kill "OP" sps/ee again..... xD
Quote from: FireCat on February 01, 2011, 08:01:20 AM
p.s. better start thinking what you can change in your char or your game play to be able to kill "OP" sps/ee again..... xD
Nothing, their debuff landrate depends only of luck - even if you will use all possible solutions this landrate is still ridiculous. This char have 4 skills reducing target speed - if 1,2 failed there are 2 more, sleep, and few more debuffs. If you almost kill him - he got Eva. He got good enchantable shield defence, so for fighter dmg like vs tank. He got always working cancel, and nothing protect against this cancel (even chant of spirit) Good sps have not bad dmg and high crit rate (wild magic). Their debufs on field works better than oly, so it is not only oly problem. But on oly sps/ee is killable only for few classes, for some of them only with big luck. This topic is on DN forums since few months, and nothing changed till now... so it will stay prolly same - but we always can spamm about ;)
put also and incredibleresistence to debuff
i mostly use 4 debuff vs them on oly: silence, doom, anchor, fear during oly match i use all of them at least 5 time or more, so tell me wich other class can resist to 20 debuff or more without getting any...
p.s. i dont have so low mattack :P
What you wanted, people ? Sps/ee is strong char since c4 and it will stay like this forever !! We are not official server where Sps is total sh1t ! :P
And one of the ways to kill it with dagger class was always Lethal or few lucky crit blows ! :)
Cmon ! Stop crying about everything in this life !
p.s.: I'm not playing sps/ee, i'm playing dagger class, so flame yourself !
Besides cancel, the only thing really annoying about sps/ee is the fact that they can use blessing of eva in oly.
that really sux. u let them with 20% HP left, and "puff", they recover everything.
>:(
Quote from: 666VeNoM on February 01, 2011, 11:20:43 AM
Besides cancel, the only thing really annoying about sps/ee is the fact that they can use blessing of eva in oly.
that really sux. u let them with 20% HP left, and "puff", they recover everything.
>:(
an easy solution about this problem wold be increase casting time of this skill, a so powerful skill can be also interrupted like this, like there was a nerf in the past for skill like ud and shield of faith
Quote from: Argriev on February 01, 2011, 11:33:12 AM
like there was a nerf in the past for skill like ud and shield of faith
Don't forget about sleep ! It was 0.5 sec before ( long time ago ), now 3 sec :)
Quote from: ZEFEROT on February 01, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
Don't forget about sleep ! It was 0.5 sec before ( long time ago ), now 3 sec :)
that was just a cronicle update not related to custom (DN) settings
4 sps in 1 pt: cancel-cloud with assist. archer pt can su ck himself without buff.
Quote from: Kapa on February 01, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
4 sps in 1 pt: cancel-cloud with assist. archer pt can su ck himself without buff.
+ 11111111 can someone Gm (invisible mode) watch when we mass pvp how fight sps ;D they just spam cancel nothing more after 1 min pvp archer have 3-4 buff .... but who cares
with cancel reuse 20-30 sec. how many times i can spam the damn cancel in mass pvp ???!!
I just wonder why its so hard to nerf sps/ee, any other classes are nerfed when they become a bit to powerfull and its ok, yet sps/ee is powerfull since always and its ok. Wtf is so special about this char?
it's funny ... cause i , as sps/ee , opened a topic few weeks ago , and i cryed that some archers 2 hits ( 3k-6k ) kill me ... now u cry that sps/ee rulz pvp ..... instead of ask for nerf try to kill them in 5 seconds ( i am noob die in 2 seconds ) and then your cancel problem is solved .... i know that for pro ppl sps/ee is not a problem ... like for pro sps/ee , archers are not a problem
just try to learn how to play ... cause i learned few things in past month and now i can really have fun in pvp
Quote from: FireCat on February 01, 2011, 08:01:20 AM
" BeGood " are you serious
There are 3-4 good sps/ee which you cannt kill inside olly and you start cry about that.... what a shame
p.s. better start thinking what you can change in your char or your game play to be able to kill "OP" sps/ee again..... xD
http://dragon-network.net/xml/infinitenightmare/hero.xml :)
yes sps/ee realy sux ;D ;)
Quote from: FireCat on February 01, 2011, 04:07:37 PM
with cancel reuse 20-30 sec. how many times i can spam the damn cancel in mass pvp ???!!
how many sps in how many time can spam cancel in mass pvp ? want movie how sps not make dmg just spam cancel
Quote from: cerebelo on February 01, 2011, 04:26:58 PM
it's funny ... cause i , as sps/ee , opened a topic few weeks ago , and i cryed that some archers 2 hits ( 3k-6k ) kill me ... now u cry that sps/ee rulz pvp ..... instead of ask for nerf try to kill them in 5 seconds ( i am noob die in 2 seconds ) and then your cancel problem is solved .... i know that for pro ppl sps/ee is not a problem ... like for pro sps/ee , archers are not a problem
just try to learn how to play ... cause i learned few things in past month and now i can really have fun in pvp
looooool just slep archer, cancel + all sh1t debuf + cancel and + 1 pvp for you ( dragon GM said - use tattoo vs sleep ;D and archer get 800-900 atk spd vs 2k + cast spd - rly funny ;D ;D ;D )
All I want is to block blessing of eva in oly.
Cancel is the least of my problems.
;D
Quote from: joroboro on February 01, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
looooool just slep archer, cancel + all sh1t debuf + cancel and + 1 pvp for you ( dragon GM said - use tattoo vs sleep ;D and archer get 800-900 atk spd vs 2k + cast spd - rly funny ;D ;D ;D )
don't worry i know how to play my char .... but on mass pvp is different story ... and mass pvp means 90% assist .... till u cast sleep/cancel and u have good oponent that knows how to cooperate/assist u are allready dead .... if i learned something is that all chars can be killed if u cooperate
organized pt > all
on 1vs 1 ... ofc everyone wanna kill everyone but is imposible ......
samelike cryes : nerf kamael debuff/ nerf dagger lethal / nerf archers crit rates / etc
some of them were my cryes , but i was wrong
Stop cry...this forum really just full of shiits..... just prove us something certain but u cant..... btw i dont play sps/ee for your info..
but i tested my friend chars sps/ee with passive WM cant even kill my necro even full buffed both chars... so cut the crap ...dont try to prove something by giving examples from OLY cuz oly system sux for me.....
p.s if u beleive SPS/EE rules ... u can make 1*sps/ee nobles in 1 week cuz we play 20x now.........
Quote from: cerebelo on February 01, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
don't worry i know how to play my char .... but on mass pvp is different story ... and mass pvp means 90% assist .... till u cast sleep/cancel and u have good oponent that knows how to cooperate/assist u are allready dead .... if i learned something is that all chars can be killed if u cooperate
organized pt > all
on 1vs 1 ... ofc everyone wanna kill everyone but is imposible ......
samelike cryes : nerf kamael debuff/ nerf dagger lethal / nerf archers crit rates / etc
some of them were my cryes , but i was wrong
i don't want always won vs sps/ee but from 10 pvp -10 win for sps.... pls don't ask me for attribute, m. def ,buff , etc i have enough
hey hey this is my first post so hi to all ;D
About sps.ee I can say few things but only inside oly I have no idea how it looks outside ;D
soo sps.ee is a very... annoying opponent ^^
all those debuffs, cancels and other crap decreasing my char stats to 50~ xD
I dont think I should kill it but when I watch sometimes that orcs hit on zealot frenzy sps/ee lower then me ( im tank ) im starting to think what is wrong ;D
I mean he is running faster then me, hitting stronger then me, seems like he have bigger def then me too, he have heal + never ending mana +eva +cancel+debuffs +my stun lands 1/10 and sometimes last only 0.3 sec =my chance for killing him around 0.3 % + situation when he get critical error ( y I won like that once xD )
Should be nerfed? Im not sure, I know some of those sps.ee and I know that they put a lot of efforts to make these char rlly strong. Its not like any sps.ee can join and pwn on oly its not so simple.
solutio: Maybe make daggers a bit stronger so they can kill sps.ee easier? but this will probably make other side cry.
Thats how it is no matter what will change its immposible to make every1 happy.
Ok I think thats enough spam for a first post , cu on oly ;)
Quote from: Kishin on February 01, 2011, 10:05:06 PM
solutio: Maybe make daggers a bit stronger so they can kill sps.ee easier? but this will probably make other side cry.
Thats how it is no matter what will change its immposible to make every1 happy.
Ok I think thats enough spam for a first post , cu on oly ;)
ur kidding, right?
cuz daggers pwn at oly, pwn at pvp and u want then MORE strong? haha.
yesterday I fought in oly vs daggers 4 times, lost all, cuz I hit them for 200/300 and they hit me same and 1k or more criticals. plus u have bluff, stun and a lot of things.
so cuz u get canceled by sps/ee u want get stronger? funny! I also get canceled, but all im asking is to block blessing of eva. I dont mind get canceled...
Im not dagger but thx for nice flame.
btw daggers pwn on oly? I wouldnt say so, but I dont want to argue about that. For me its fine how it is. Only thing I would like to change is to have more different kind of chars on oly, cause usually its always the same and its becoming boring rlly fast
Ok fok it then if U think its too much to nerf a little bit Your untouchable sps.ee to make oly more balanced then fine.
lets all make sps/ee for oly and its going to be soo fun. thx and bb
kishin finally registered :D
Quote from: Kishin on February 01, 2011, 11:18:21 PM
Im not dagger but thx for nice flame.
btw daggers pwn on oly? I wouldnt say so, but I dont want to argue about that. For me its fine how it is. Only thing I would like to change is to have more different kind of chars on oly, cause usually its always the same and its becoming boring rlly fast
Not flame, just wonder why u talk about increase daggers power... And why u even mention daggers if u dont even play with dagger? I mean, if u dont, then u just like to say random things.
The subject is sps/ee. They are OP? Not quite. IMO, only blessing of eva should be banned from oly. Did some fights agains SPS/EE, dmg seems ok, cancel didint removed many buffs (2/3 buffs removed) and I still was ble to fight. But when I was about to win, they used blessing of eva and recover CP/HP/MP. WTF?!?!? Seriously, its just lame.
Btw kishin, watch some oly fights from REAL daggers. You will see why everyone want to play as dagger, archer or sps/ee at oly.
Quote from: 666VeNoM on February 02, 2011, 03:58:47 PM
Not flame, just wonder why u talk about increase daggers power... And why u even mention daggers if u dont even play with dagger? I mean, if u dont, then u just like to say random things.
I meant that daggers theoretically should always win vs sps/ee and since lately they dont I thought some more powa would be useful, but dont think about it to hard I just shoot my first idea nothing more.
Quote from: 666VeNoM on February 02, 2011, 03:58:47 PM
The subject is sps/ee. They are OP? Not quite. IMO, only blessing of eva should be banned from oly. Did some fights agains SPS/EE, dmg seems ok, cancel didint removed many buffs (2/3 buffs removed) and I still was ble to fight. But when I was about to win, they used blessing of eva and recover CP/HP/MP. WTF?!?!? Seriously, its just lame.
y thats a good idea, also cancel reuse could be a bit longer
Quote from: 666VeNoM on February 02, 2011, 03:58:47 PM
Btw kishin, watch some oly fights from REAL daggers. You will see why everyone want to play as dagger, archer or sps/ee at oly.
U must understand that l still say lots of things basing on infi server, this merge was done only few days ago and I dont rlly know Yours oly players.
But if U say there are some REAL daggers then I'm looking forward to see them on arena.
Quote from: 666VeNoM on February 02, 2011, 03:58:47 PM
Not flame, just wonder why u talk about increase daggers power... And why u even mention daggers if u dont even play with dagger? I
cous he is pal/wl and they are quite easy for him :)
Quote from: Piccy on February 02, 2011, 04:22:39 PM
cous he is pal/wl and they are quite easy for him :)
U are spying on me? XD
well I'm not gonna lie, I would prefer to have daggers with bigger pts then sps.ee ;)
disable oly
I love land rate for debuf slow from sps/ee its like 80% or more .... also im using chant of spirit + mental shield + bla bla and 90% of canle i lose 5 buffs each cancle xD
blesing of eva its best stupid skill ever i saw ... u need kill sps/ee 2 times becouse of this skill :D
but if u want talk about nerf nerf so check for example paladins... they are tanks and they using heavy sets and have like all time max speed. :D
mental shield / chant of spirit working fine btw ?:D
Quote from: Locus on February 02, 2011, 09:24:49 PM
disable oly
+1 . . .
I gave up fighting after check that ppl play only to roll @ oly and forget that the better pvp's are more than 1x1
Quote from: qwertyzxc on February 03, 2011, 01:17:42 AM
bla bla bla
Its sad when u can't use rabbit / cripple / hit hit hit / K.O?
Blizzard isnt sps/ee unique skill...its SPS skill...nerf it = nerf sps/es (/tk and /sws) also