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At first look to those images seem difrent but they should not be becose they are from the same class/subclass
Those images are from 2 difrent Male Doombringer/Soulhound; they should have same skills but they do dont
The one from left have all skils from right and mutch more like Ultimate Escape, Rapid Attack, Fast Shot, Crossbow Mastery, Boost attack speed pasive and more
In other words one rocks other sucks
Male Soulhand, Female Soulhand
Skills compare http://lineage.pmfun.com/?action=list&what=skillcompare&button=Show&c1=132&c2=133&hide=on&x=21&y=14
It sux coz we don't know which one we taking on sub... I take male but i wanted female :/
Quote from: Diver on March 13, 2011, 11:00:27 AM
Male Soulhand, Female Soulhand
Skills compare http://lineage.pmfun.com/?action=list&what=skillcompare&button=Show&c1=132&c2=133&hide=on&x=21&y=14
It sux coz we don't know which one we taking on sub... I take male but i wanted female :/
yes the sub from Astral is female soulhound
and this affects a number of subs
-male: soulhound sub to doombringer
-female:trikster sub to soulhound
(those are the main claas sub not to mention retail subs)
the other combinations of main subs will be ok and witll have the skils from male and female
How to fix?
add skills from 0->40 lvl male trooper + skills from 0->40 lvl female warder->warder female (with missing skils from trooper inclooded)
add skills from 0->40 lvl female warder + skills from 0->40 lvl male trooper-> trooper male ( with missing skils from warder inclooded)
(i speak here about difrent skils)
this wont affect already subbed chars that have bouth male and female skils
and will give the chance to the ones that have not all skils to learn them
Quote from: Sp3ctre on March 13, 2011, 11:04:27 AM
yes the sub from Astral is female soulhound
and this affects a number of subs
-male: soulhound sub to doombringer
-female:trikster sub to soulhound
(those are the main claas sub not to mention retail subs)
the other combinations of main subs will be ok and witll have the skils from male and female
How to fix?
add skills from 0->40 lvl male trooper + skills from 0->40 lvl female warder->warder female (with missing skils from trooper inclooded)
add skills from 0->40 lvl female warder + skills from 0->40 lvl male trooper-> trooper male ( with missing skils from warder inclooded)
(i speak here about difrent skils)
this wont affect already subbed chars that have bouth male and female skils
and will give the chance to the ones that have not all skils to learn them
ofc.
u?
Quote from: trooperXkoki on March 14, 2011, 03:40:21 AM
ofc.
u?
u asking me if i have a bugged char ?
yes, i had 1 sh male, i made 3 class for it, retail, nobles, 3 retails lvl 75 lvl, and only then sub it to see that it had missing skils in comparation to same class/subclass :)
on the other hand i have a trik/db (male) that has all skils from male and female
so +1
badabump
bump
Some more bugs:
tested 22.03.2011
Trickster
1)
Bug: Decoy - the hate aura from it aftects u, your party and ally
- if casted when noone is in fighting mode near u, hating aura from it wont have any afect when enemyes will be near it (so wont work at all)
How should work: from skil description should have no efect on u or ally / neutral players only on enemyes
http://www.l2gc.com/races/kamael/arbalester/
2)
Bug: All traps afects caster too and sometimes if set before they wont triger
Fire trap: gives no dmg
How should work: from skil description should affect only enemyes
3)
Bug: Imbue Dark Seed it does some dmg over time but not as shoud and does not paralise target
How should work: For 20 seconds, 83 HP is consumed per second. Once fully grown, the seed paralyzes the host body.
http://www.l2gc.com/races/kamael/arbalester/
4)
Bug Deadly Roulette: does some dmg but lethal change is very low it should be 50-60%
How should work: Can be used when HP is under 10%. Lethal Strike is possible.
5)
Bug Shift Target : no efect
How should work:Transfers the Aggression of nearby enemies to a selected party members only.
Quote from: Sp3ctre on March 22, 2011, 02:49:24 PM
Some more bugs:
tested 22.03.2011
Trickster
1)
Bug: Decoy - the hate aura from it aftects u, your party and ally
- if casted when noone is in fighting mode near u, hating aura from it wont have any afect when enemyes will be near it (so wont work at all)
How should work: from skil description should have no efect on u or ally / neutral players only on enemyes
http://www.l2gc.com/races/kamael/arbalester/
2)
Bug: All traps afects caster too and sometimes if set before they wont triger
Fire trap: gives no dmg
How should work: from skil description should affect only enemyes
3)
Bug: Imbue Dark Seed it does some dmg over time but not as shoud and does not paralise target
How should work: For 20 seconds, 83 HP is consumed per second. Once fully grown, the seed paralyzes the host body.
http://www.l2gc.com/races/kamael/arbalester/
4)
Bug Deadly Roulette: does some dmg but lethal change is very low it should be somwere to 80-90%
How should work: Can be used when HP is under 10%. Lethal Strike is possible.
5)
Bug Shift Target : no efect
How should work:Transfers the Aggression of nearby enemies to a selected party members only.
:o
Quote from: Sp3ctre on March 13, 2011, 10:43:58 AM
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At first look to those images seem difrent but they should not be becose they are from the same class/subclass
Those images are from 2 difrent Male Doombringer/Soulhound; they should have same skills but they do dont
The one from left have all skils from right and mutch more like Ultimate Escape, Rapid Attack, Fast Shot, Crossbow Mastery, Boost attack speed pasive and more
In other words one rocks other sucks
bump - hope will be fixed with gracia
Quote from: Sp3ctre on March 13, 2011, 10:43:58 AM
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At first look to those images seem difrent but they should not be becose they are from the same class/subclass
Those images are from 2 difrent Male Doombringer/Soulhound; they should have same skills but they do dont
The one from left have all skils from right and mutch more like Ultimate Escape, Rapid Attack, Fast Shot, Crossbow Mastery, Boost attack speed pasive and more
In other words one rocks other sucks
Since famale kamael got this skills befor 2nd ocupation why male should have them after 40 lvl ?
first nerf this steal buff skill... and chance all others Q.Q don't give a fvck with almost 100% chance.
Quote from: Sp3ctre on June 04, 2011, 09:45:34 AM
bump - hope will be fixed with gracia
hope they delete kamalols :D :D :D
Quote from: PainMaster on June 04, 2011, 10:54:53 AM
hope they delete kamalols :D :D :D
hope some doctor can fix ur brain.
if track not lie and our gracia will be like on off server, i even cant imagine then ur cry about kamaels.
Quote from: Defoe on June 04, 2011, 10:23:34 AM
Since famale kamael got this skills befor 2nd ocupation why male should have them after 40 lvl ?
i am not saing that male have it or not
like it is now SOME have all skils and others not witch is not normal
when we compare 2 chars same gender , same class/subclass we expect that they will have same skils -as it is now they dont have same skils.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
hope some doctor can fix ur brain.
if track not lie and our gracia will be like on off server, i even cant imagine then ur cry about kamaels.
why so much hate ? if you taking so seriouse every joke then you should be 1st one who needs doctor.
Quote from: Sp3ctre on June 04, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
i am not saing that male have it or not
like it is now SOME have all skils and others not witch is not normal
when we compare 2 chars same gender , same class/subclass we expect that they will have same skils -as it is now they dont have same skils.
I got ur point, but you representing this bug like 1 class missing skills not like (as it should be) that another shouldnt have them.
Quote from: Defoe on June 04, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
why so much hate ? if you taking so seriouse every joke then you should be 1st one who needs doctor.
I got ur point, but you representing this bug like 1 class missing skills not like (as it should be) that another shouldnt have them.
yes, this is the eaziest solution becose male have a set of skils (p. attack oriented) and female another (attack speed oriented)
as long as we can make cross genders sub (as it is now) the char that will take a sub from male and a sub from female will have
all skills from male and female
so for exemple : female skin start as soulhound (attack speed oriented) take sub as doombringer (male sub p. attack oriented)
will have all sets of skils (attack speed+ p.attack)
in comparation with- male skin soulhound (p. attack oriented) take sub as doombringer (p. attack oriented too) -> this one will have
only skils for p attack even it has the same class/sublcass as the female skin
solutions will be:
1- to stop posibility to take cross genders subclass -this one is bad becose male wont be able to take trickster sub and female dombringer sub
2-add skils from male soulhound to female soulhound and skils from female soulhound to male soulhound the ( difrent ones )
since already are half of kamaels from server having all skils and half whidout (depending what was the starting class at the begining)
Ps: as long as cross gender subclass will be posible ppl will make chars with all skils
Quote from: Defoe on June 04, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
why so much hate ? if you taking so seriouse every joke then you should be 1st one who needs doctor.
there no hate, i just tired see almost everyday this retarded cry about kamaels.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
there no hate, i just tired see almost everyday this retarded cry about kamaels.
those who need doctor said "you need doctor" and Yes kamaels destroyed server
Quote from: joroboro on June 04, 2011, 09:40:41 PM
those who need doctor said "you need doctor" and Yes kamaels destroyed server
so go play tetris, ncsoft put this race in l2 and only on dn i see so much cry about kamaels. and funny is QQ only our enemy ^^
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 09:43:38 PM
so go play tetris, ncsoft put this race in l2 and only on dn i see so much cry about kamaels. and funny is QQ only our enemy ^^
weird cuz almost 80% of us (FTP) Q.Q about Kamalols... ::) btw. i don't have nothing to this char... just nerf a lil bit those skill what steal almost 70% of buffs... even with celestial, nobles... ud,s etc... and land of rate other skills its a fvcking freak too... ::)
Quote from: Evolution on June 04, 2011, 10:03:58 PM
weird cuz almost 80% of us (FTP) Q.Q about Kamalols... ::) btw. i don't have nothing to this char... just nerf a lil bit those skill what steal almost 70% of buffs... even with celestial, nobles... ud,s etc... and land of rate its a fvcking freak too... ::)
show me plox on forum atleast 1 topic or post where my clan QQ about kamael or ask about nerf them, rly plox. about steal divinity there bugged only 1 thing, skill should steal random buffs not last, rest if fine and how it should be. kamael on dn rly weak now and as i said, i cant even imgine cry if we will have full working kamaels like on off server.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
show me plox on forum atleast 1 topic or post where my clan QQ about kamael or ask about nerf them, rly plox. about steal divinity there bugged only 1 thing, skill should steal random buffs not last, rest if fine and how it should be. kamael on dn rly weak now and as i said, i cant even imgine cry if we will have full working kamaels like on off server.
1st i don't mean Forum i mean ally chat... 2nd now pvp's with them are fvcked up... when kamalols will work how u say... pvp's on this server will die... and 90% of server will be kamalol ::)
Quote from: Evolution on June 04, 2011, 10:17:44 PM
1st i don't mean Forum i mean ally chat... 2nd now pvp's with them are fvcked up... when kamalols will work how u say... pvp's on this server will die... and 90% of server will be kamalol ::)
rly dunno why pvp on another servers still alive, even with kamaels.......
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
show me plox on forum atleast 1 topic or post where my clan QQ about kamael or ask about nerf them, rly plox. about steal divinity there bugged only 1 thing, skill should steal random buffs not last, rest if fine and how it should be. kamael on dn rly weak now and as i said, i cant even imgine cry if we will have full working kamaels like on off server.
why othet chars work not like official servers????why only kamael like official?
Coz on other servers in pt is always at least 1 kamael.
Quote from: garikUA on June 04, 2011, 10:25:15 PM
why othet chars work not like official servers????why only kamael like official?
try read 1 more time plox. i wrote somewhere about now? for now kamaels have more bugged/not working skills than half classes together. but as i remember trackzero promised us gracia like on off server. so i talk about this time.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 10:22:27 PM
rly dunno why pvp on another servers still alive, even with kamaels.......
y still alive cuz there play about 70-80% of kamalols... or they like re-buff every 5min ::)
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 09:43:38 PM
so go play tetris, ncsoft put this race in l2 and only on dn i see so much cry about kamaels. and funny is QQ only our enemy ^^
nvm we will talk after 3-4 months again:) just let serv keep this way
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 09:43:38 PM
so go play tetris, ncsoft put this race in l2 and only on dn i see so much cry about kamaels. and funny is QQ only our enemy ^^
It is quite normal that people complain only in DN, cause our beloved staff wasn`t able to make kamael`s skills work as it should.Where the fock else will u see "Rush impact" for instance, with 100% on orc destroyer with 52 CON,full bosses,lionheart and resist shock lvl 4(tested!!) ??
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
there no hate, i just tired see almost everyday this retarded cry about kamaels.
that "retarded cry" mostly becouse of Steal Divinity and "protecting" that skill on DN even more retarded tbh.. you cant/wont admit that pvp on DN and official it's 2 diferent things, here at dn we got no suports in party except healers all other just DD who can buff/sing/dance, so if i'll get cancel at offi - during next few seconds i'll have all needed buffs coz sws/bd/wc.. monitoring them during all pvp and what we got here? Sure here always some exception, but still subclass on DN make big diference in play stile.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
about steal divinity there bugged only 1 thing, skill should steal random buffs not last
this bugg make it even more OP.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 04, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
hope some doctor can fix ur brain.
if track not lie and our gracia will be like on off server, i even cant imagine then ur cry about kamaels.
1st of all i never did ;)
i really dont care about this class , same i never did about sps sorc cancel .. when all ppl cryed about it ...
just hope all classes will work fine in gracia :)
Quote from: Defoe on June 07, 2011, 08:02:17 PM
that "retarded cry" mostly becouse of Steal Divinity and "protecting" that skill on DN even more retarded tbh.. you cant/wont admit that pvp on DN and official it's 2 diferent things, here at dn we got no suports in party except healers all other just DD who can buff/sing/dance, so if i'll get cancel at offi - during next few seconds i'll have all needed buffs coz sws/bd/wc.. monitoring them during all pvp and what we got here? Sure here always some exception, but still subclass on DN make big diference in play stile.
its not our fault cb have only bp/wc as supports. in our clan we use sws/ee, ee/es, bd/se, ol/wc etc. not all wanna be pro dd like ppl in ur clan.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 07, 2011, 10:40:03 PM
its not our fault cb have only bp/wc as supports. in our clan we use sws/ee, ee/es, bd/se, ol/wc etc. not all wanna be pro dd like ppl in ur clan.
loled at this one. So for you pr/bd, sr/sws, he/wk are OP DD chars? and we should make for FIGHTER party bd/se, ee/sws, pp/suport, wc/ol +healers just for keeping buffs up? tbh this party wont die easy vs same numbers, but also coz of low dps will suck against mages who got tons of heals and such retarded chars like robe/tank.
IMO protecting this skill first of all ppl thinking about own interest ( if i'm not wrong you even made 1 kamael) not about atleast some balance in pvp. It's retarded when we got DN sublass and at same time pvp based on "offical" skills, coz of this we had mana burn, augment and other nerfes here.
But with who i'm speaking? a guy who bsing on ppl coz of their low dmg on him ( this one just prove ur knowledge about game) or who with x2 more ppl still keeping swear those - who against him that they suck coz traying kite , but in another case they would be zerged in few sec. (this one shows ur mental state).
p.s. I might be wrong speasialy in last part coz i dont know you so good, but it's bassed on mine pvp against you/ur ally and each time i saw such kinds of shits from you.
(Sry for mine lenguage- hope you got mine point)
Quote from: Defoe on June 09, 2011, 09:12:35 AM
loled at this one. So for you pr/bd, sr/sws, he/wk are OP DD chars? and we should make for FIGHTER party bd/se, ee/sws, pp/suport, wc/ol +healers just for keeping buffs up? tbh this party wont die easy vs same numbers, but also coz of low dps will suck against mages who got tons of heals and such retarded chars like robe/tank.
IMO protecting this skill first of all ppl thinking about own interest ( if i'm not wrong you even made 1 kamael) not about atleast some balance in pvp. It's retarded when we got DN sublass and at same time pvp based on "offical" skills, coz of this we had mana burn, augment and other nerfes here.
But with who i'm speaking? a guy who bsing on ppl coz of their low dmg on him ( this one just prove ur knowledge about game) or who with x2 more ppl still keeping swear those - who against him that they suck coz traying kite , but in another case they would be zerged in few sec. (this one shows ur mental state).
p.s. I might be wrong speasialy in last part coz i dont know you so good, but it's bassed on mine pvp against you/ur ally and each time i saw such kinds of shits from you.
(Sry for mine lenguage- hope you got mine point)
i got ur point. and wanna tell u smth.
1. belive me, chars like ol/wc and sws/ee kinda useful in archers pt too.
2. i made even 2 kamael, not 1. but not for pvp or steal divinity, just cuz wanna test these classes. used few days in pvp only cuz my main got ban. thx cb ^^
3. my talk about low damage. some time ago, smart guy aka strikeforce wrote on dn forum, he can kill every aod member from 3 hits. im from aod too. so rly wanna see these 3 blessed hits. its should be ~4.5k damage when im on full buff, but not 100-200, crit 1k. if he will take his words back ill stop laught on him too. cuz sad but not all aod members die from 3-4 hits.
4. about this running aka kite. remember pvp at varka? As i remember u was there. so u were there 1 pt cb, some wp and katamorons. in total 14. we come with 1 pt (8 ppl) and u start run till goddard, sry but not funny. ur clan run even if u more, right? on infinity we had totally different pvp style so im tired cuz of this faking running, even forgot when last time i used tatoo of witch cuz all the time must use rabbits.
5. about zerg.... hmm when u side can zerg us u do it too. its not about mass pvp ofc, but about kill 2-3 aod with 1-1.5pt. or its my sick fantasy? i still remember when at alligator for me, pedo, tyia and my wife come 3 full pt cb, yuuki, temps. or its not zerg?
6. about flame, better look at ur members, like loverockets or det0x.
thats all for now, hope u got my point.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 09, 2011, 01:44:46 PM
sws/ee kinda useful in archers pt too.
but must be a good sws/ee and not f1 heal and bb
damn drama..... what happens?
first time i see a post from u without a flame or hidden insult....
passed a nice "night" at home? :D
Quote from: Piccy on June 09, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
but must be a good sws/ee and not f1 heal and bb
damn drama..... what happens?
first time i see a post from u without a flame or hidden insult....
passed a nice "night" at home? :D
hej, im dont blame every1 :P if ppl talk with me normal, im doing same^^
Quote from: Piccy on June 09, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
but must be a good sws/ee and not f1 heal and bb
damn drama..... what happens?
first time i see a post from u without a flame or hidden insult....
passed a nice "night" at home? :D
becose i chack his account on forum and im write also from drama account here:D
Quote from: Defoe on June 07, 2011, 08:02:17 PM
that "retarded cry" mostly becouse of Steal Divinity and "protecting" that skill on DN even more retarded tbh.. you cant/wont admit that pvp on DN and official it's 2 diferent things, here at dn we got no suports in party except healers all other just DD who can buff/sing/dance, so if i'll get cancel at offi - during next few seconds i'll have all needed buffs coz sws/bd/wc.. monitoring them during all pvp and what we got here? Sure here always some exception, but still subclass on DN make big diference in play stile. this bugg make it even more OP.
LOL .. so you won't adapt to skills/chars/updates, you want skills to adapt to you're playstyle .. I understand .. makes perfect sense :D
Quote from: tzuc on June 09, 2011, 04:36:00 PM
LOL .. so you won't adapt to skills/chars/updates, you want skills to adapt to you're playstyle .. I understand .. makes perfect sense :D
LOL ...you gonna tell me that playstiles here and at offi are same? and pvp bassed on 100% off skills will be balanced here?
it's never balanced, that's not the point, the point is you said that you don't have wc/sws/bd etc that can perma buff you .. but this is a big reason why DN kept failing, cause people always wanted to go on the same way and keep the shitty c4 pvp style instead of adapting to the classes.
no .. we don't adapt to the class/skill we nerf/buff/nerf/buff/nerf/buff ... you get debuffs maybe it's time to change your party .. get buffers that can sustain that debuffing.
Quote from: Shadow21 on June 09, 2011, 01:44:46 PM
i got ur point. and wanna tell u smth.
1. belive me, chars like ol/wc and sws/ee kinda useful in archers pt too.
2. i made even 2 kamael, not 1. but not for pvp or steal divinity, just cuz wanna test these classes. used few days in pvp only cuz my main got ban. thx cb ^^
3. my talk about low damage. some time ago, smart guy aka strikeforce wrote on dn forum, he can kill every aod member from 3 hits. im from aod too. so rly wanna see these 3 blessed hits. its should be ~4.5k damage when im on full buff, but not 100-200, crit 1k. if he will take his words back ill stop laught on him too. cuz sad but not all aod members die from 3-4 hits.
4. about this running aka kite. remember pvp at varka? As i remember u was there. so u were there 1 pt cb, some wp and katamorons. in total 14. we come with 1 pt (8 ppl) and u start run till goddard, sry but not funny. ur clan run even if u more, right? on infinity we had totally different pvp style so im tired cuz of this faking running, even forgot when last time i used tatoo of witch cuz all the time must use rabbits.
5. about zerg.... hmm when u side can zerg us u do it too. its not about mass pvp ofc, but about kill 2-3 aod with 1-1.5pt. or its my sick fantasy? i still remember when at alligator for me, pedo, tyia and my wife come 3 full pt cb, yuuki, temps. or its not zerg?
6. about flame, better look at ur members, like loverockets or det0x.
thats all for now, hope u got my point.
coz they can do it .... and about 2-3 hit u maybe or some tank in ur clan no but most of ur clan can die easly ....... wont say that more ppl die from TEMP than in ur clan coz AOD got more memebers to kill that temp so :D
Quote from: tzuc on June 09, 2011, 05:46:06 PM
it's never balanced, that's not the point, the point is you said that you don't have wc/sws/bd etc that can perma buff you .. but this is a big reason why DN kept failing, cause people always wanted to go on the same way and keep the shitty c4 pvp style instead of adapting to the classes.
no .. we don't adapt to the class/skill we nerf/buff/nerf/buff/nerf/buff ... you get debuffs maybe it's time to change your party .. get buffers that can sustain that debuffing.
Better check his posts better before u say anything. ::)
Quote from: tzuc on June 09, 2011, 05:46:06 PM
it's never balanced, that's not the point, the point is you said that you don't have wc/sws/bd etc that can perma buff you .. but this is a big reason why DN kept failing, cause people always wanted to go on the same way and keep the shitty c4 pvp style instead of adapting to the classes.
Well you got me wrong there, mine point was Not about that we luck wc/sws/bd etc, but playing for example pw/sw and keep ur party with songs not same as playing sws at official - it's a way hurder ( (specialy if you wont be just song/arest bot) what for then we need DNsubclass )and at same time we got here kamaels who just facerolling with bugged skill.
Agree with you about shitty c4 pvp stile but for "adapting to the classes". I guess it's work best of all with "conastant parties" in clans. I just wonder how many a real one consts we got here?
p.s. As i know you have WoW experience and might hear Blizzard's words: "bring player not a cclass" and NCsoft gonna realise it in own way at next content patch- totaly remaking class system. I like this idea also and mby that's why i made lately few posts here at forum about balance.
But thats the point, ppl need to adapt with their class, if your pt constantly lose songs, then pw should, focuse to be more sws then dd (so to waste less mana on hitting enemy, use it for resong ), the same goes for other dd/supports, or dd/healers, like sps/ee, when pt need it he should forget that he is nuker, he should just heal and preserve mana for that, if he cant do that he is not doing good.
Or just get more fulsports subed chars so they dont have this kind of problem, and do their job :P
edit :
I know easy to say, coz i'm sps/es so the only support and buff i needed to keep is pony :P . Thats why i play only full supoort or full dd, never try to be 50/50 coz this never works for me, most of time i'm to focused on dd part, to notice, that someone need buff/heal (Hell even as healer, i lack atention on buff of my pt xD ) .
Quote from: Sp3ctre on March 13, 2011, 10:43:58 AM
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At first look to those images seem difrent but they should not be becose they are from the same class/subclass
Those images are from 2 difrent Male Doombringer/Soulhound; they should have same skills but they do dont
The one from left have all skils from right and mutch more like Ultimate Escape, Rapid Attack, Fast Shot, Crossbow Mastery, Boost attack speed pasive and more
In other words one rocks other sucks
hope die last:)
so bump