Poll
Question:
Do you want anakim to be delted as summon?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 84
Option 2: NO
votes: 78
Okey, since so many complained, do you want anakim to be removed from game or not?
(no nerf , its just remove or stay)
Poll run for 7 days but if result is obvious ill close it sooner.
(p,s. Both sides have it in game so dont start paranoya tripping)
1st vote is given
why remove??
not better make it enable for all ?
Del! :)
It takes too much fun and.. frags :D ;)
Seriously: It's a bit OP as we could notice nowadays.
im speechless, just dropping the comment so i can follow this drama topic xD
Seriously??? This subject again?? lol
big DELATE ....
lol this vote its pathetic.
And i presume ftp + friends gonna zerg this pool, so dont u think its stupid to open such topic when those ants zerg ig and will zerg in forum?
Haters gonna hate.
Vote given.
still possible to get it, i mean from rb?
Quote from: 6bIK on February 26, 2012, 11:29:19 PM
still possible to get it, i mean from rb?
Still? :D
Only from GM
Quote from: zenice on February 26, 2012, 11:22:13 PM
lol this vote its pathetic.
And i presume ftp + friends gonna zerg this pool, so dont u think its stupid to open such topic when those ants zerg ig and will zerg in forum?
U are so wrong. For example i vote No in this topic.
He is always wrong Zord.
No sense even discuss.
Quote from: PolSilv3r on February 26, 2012, 11:36:01 PM
Still? :D
Only from GM
Uhm, since you claim something tell me who got it from me since GF chronicle started on DN?
NCSOFT give us this scrool and we going to delete this scrool?realy no comment
Quote from: NiToPaMi on February 26, 2012, 11:55:45 PM
NCSOFT give us this scrool and we going to delete this scrool?realy no comment
ncsoft put this scroll in droplist not like here this scroll got only few ppl for some "great work".
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 26, 2012, 11:58:31 PM
ncsoft put this scroll in droplist not like here this scroll got only few ppl for some "great work".
its simple admins can put drop with 5% chance to anakim raid drop and all can be happy (like oficial server work)
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 26, 2012, 11:58:31 PM
ncsoft put this scroll in droplist not like here this scroll got only few ppl for some "great work".
And i repeat again, players who have this scroll got it in HB times when this scroll were elpy power scroll for various events prizes. Starting of GF none got this scroll and 3rd we have official drop list not like we erased it from the drop list or something.
Quote from: TrackZero on February 27, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
And i repeat again, players who have this scroll got it in HB times when this scroll were elpy power scroll for various events prizes. Starting of GF none got this scroll and 3rd we have official drop list not like we erased it from the drop list or something.
yes this is truth
Quote from: TrackZero on February 27, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
And i repeat again, players who have this scroll got it in HB times when this scroll were elpy power scroll for various events prizes. Starting of GF none got this scroll and 3rd we have official drop list not like we erased it from the drop list or something.
dunno about official drop list but on infinity dusk won many times in past and i didnt remember even 1 anakim dropped this transform. 1st anakim i saw on nightmare after merge.
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 27, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
dunno about official drop list but on infinity dusk won many times in past and i didnt remember even 1 anakim dropped this transform. 1st anakim i saw on nightmare after merge.
mf maybe u was unlucky to got him XD
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 27, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
dunno about official drop list but on infinity dusk won many times in past and i didnt remember even 1 anakim dropped this transform. 1st anakim i saw on nightmare after merge.
this is truth.....
Quote from: TrackZero on February 27, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
And i repeat again, players who have this scroll got it in HB times when this scroll were elpy power scroll for various events prizes. Starting of GF none got this scroll and 3rd we have official drop list not like we erased it from the drop list or something.
U know cb (weezer) knows how to use anakim while Aod, hence having the scrol to, get raped anyway, so most of them hate it! Looking at players numbers from each side u think u have made a fair poll Track?? Do u?
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 27, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
dunno about official drop list but on infinity dusk won many times in past and i didnt remember even 1 anakim dropped this transform. 1st anakim i saw on nightmare after merge.
boss 25286 [anakim] category={} level=84
ex_item_drop_list={{{{[sb_transform_anakim];1;1;100}};1}}
Directly from scripts on server.
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6219/shot00099h.png)
nothing to add
Quote from: 6bIK on February 26, 2012, 11:29:19 PM
still possible to get it, i mean from rb?
Quote from: PolSilv3r on February 26, 2012, 11:36:01 PM
Still? :D
Only from GM
Quote from: TrackZero on February 26, 2012, 11:49:10 PM
Uhm, since you claim something tell me who got it from me since GF chronicle started on DN?
Did I mention anything about GF or geting the scroll from you? Cuz don't understand your question AT ALL.
I wrote that
he can get it only from GM now.
BTW Since when we could drop that scroll from RB? ??? Cuz like some already said 1st Anakims appeared after merge...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/shot00011h.jpg/
something to add??
i remember just when someone told me that i had not enough attr vs anakim...and look hits 2 in a row in 0,5 sec..
i just want know what fix gm did on anakim..not on dmg not on reuse
btw enemy has 0 wards atm so weezer hasnt int+8 as claimed in old posts
Quote from: FIREBLADE on February 27, 2012, 12:19:48 AM
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/shot00011h.jpg/
something to add??
i remember just when someone told me that i had not enough attr vs anakim...and look hits 2 in a row in 0,5 sec..
i just want know what fix gm did on anakim..not on dmg not on reuse
btw enemy has 0 wards atm so weezer hasnt int+8 as claimed in old posts
where are yours songs?
Quote from: FIREBLADE on February 27, 2012, 12:19:48 AM
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/shot00011h.jpg/
something to add??
i remember just when someone told me that i had not enough attr vs anakim...and look hits 2 in a row in 0,5 sec..
i just want know what fix gm did on anakim..not on dmg not on reuse
btw enemy has 0 wards atm so weezer hasnt int+8 as claimed in old posts
was m crit dont u think?
Quote from: TrackZero on February 27, 2012, 12:11:29 AM
boss 25286 [anakim] category={} level=84
ex_item_drop_list={{{{[sb_transform_anakim];1;1;100}};1}}
Directly from scripts on server.
so if in gracia drop exist dont u think will be fair delete all these transforms which u gave for free (on my screen 7 but i guess those 7 not all) and give to all same chance get this transform. not like ppl from 1 server got these transforms for free and ppl from another need farm for get 1 atleast with 5% chance.
dont u think so?
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 27, 2012, 12:14:28 AM
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6219/shot00099h.png)
nothing to add
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 27, 2012, 12:46:50 AM
so if in gracia drop exist dont u think will be fair delete all these transforms which u gave for free (on my screen 7 but i guess those 7 not all) and give to all same chance get this transform. not like ppl from 1 server got these transforms for free and ppl from another need farm for get 1 atleast with 5% chance.
dont u think so?
This screen was made when Anakim could be used as scroll, u could trade to another char and use it, the same way Zaken transformation was in the past, this scrolls was from SKAZl that sold to Nitopami on HB times.
Quote from: Weezer on February 27, 2012, 12:58:56 AM
This screen was made when Anakim could be used as scroll, u could trade to another char and use it, the same way Zaken transformation was in the past, this scrolls was from SKAZl that sold to Nitopami on HB times.
still point of my post is: why ppl from nightmare can have these transforms for free and ppl from infinity need farm them now(not so easy btw)?
Quote from: FIREBLADE on February 27, 2012, 12:19:48 AM
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/shot00011h.jpg/
something to add??
i remember just when someone told me that i had not enough attr vs anakim...and look hits 2 in a row in 0,5 sec..
i just want know what fix gm did on anakim..not on dmg not on reuse
btw enemy has 0 wards atm so weezer hasnt int+8 as claimed in old posts
On screen u have no Songs/Dances, no CC and from Wards i can have max +3 from INT, not +8.
If people use buffs same as u do on this screen now i know why i make such damage.
But dont worry i voted to remove it.
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 27, 2012, 01:01:17 AM
still point of my post is: why ppl from nightmare can have these transforms for free and ppl from infinity need farm them now(not so easy btw)?
Not just CB have it, tbh we have 2 Anakim's, mine and Katsu (not playing with this char) and on AOD u have MissViva, Nitopami and Llamame. There's 3 active players on AOD and 1 on CB.
This is not flame, but u must know that Anakim have a skill that remove the debuffs on it, most of time i see people using all kind of skills on me, except SILENCE (just 2 times while i was on Anakim people silenced me) and with Silence i cant use this skill on myself and also can't heal myself.
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 27, 2012, 12:46:50 AM
so if in gracia drop exist dont u think will be fair delete all these transforms which u gave for free (on my screen 7 but i guess those 7 not all) and give to all same chance get this transform. not like ppl from 1 server got these transforms for free and ppl from another need farm for get 1 atleast with 5% chance.
dont u think so?
DramaQueen, Weezer already explain to you why you can see all this anakins, but just for give one more prove, i made this screen shot when i play on Compositora, and i think you never see me in Anakin transformation.
But anyway, this is not discussion. For me we keep anakin like it is, NCSoft made this so patience and like we know both sides have.
sry for my sux english.
just learn to play with it... how many anakim online in mass pvp 4-5? so just focus fiore them till loosing buff and thats it... idoubt there is anybody who can surrive with any fokin healer in back if 20 ppl hitting him in same time ;)
Quote from: ylim on February 27, 2012, 09:46:38 AM
just learn to play with it... how many anakim online in mass pvp 4-5? so just focus fiore them till loosing buff and thats it... idoubt there is anybody who can surrive with any fokin healer in back if 20 ppl hitting him in same time ;)
Piskal usually doesn't survive even me hitting him. (I don't do wtf damage)
If you want to compare l2off with Dnet here's a fact.Best clan at NCWest Naia atm,uses anakim scroll WITH zerging numbers ,so imagine 20-30 anakims at once rushing on pvp and pvp ending in about 5 min.
We shouldn't discuss the power of the scroll but the way it's used on our server.Here you have stacksubbed stats which makes the classes extreamly powerfull in compare with off,AND an overpowered scroll from it's nature,the reuse time of anakim spell is like a hydro blast if not lower,and the range of spell is huge as i've seen.
Though i'd agree with ylim's post,if it's not gonna be nerfed /removed (big deal...) just focus them ,it's kill once ,get rid of it for half a siege....
Now comes a 2nd proposition from me to Track.
How about opening the path to anakim for some time,like a 2 weeks deadline or a month or so.
Result ,many people ge the chance of having it ,and there won't be trouble about misstreats like were mentioned before,and despite that,i believe it would make a nice pvp place,many people want this transform from both sides,and some from other sides probably,could be fun...relating to the topic that you made with 13 pages of why there's no pvp on server.My opinion about that is,because there's nothing to pvp about probably,it's 1 beleth/day and maybe some epic boss...
Quote from: Luthor123 on February 27, 2012, 10:23:30 AM
If you want to compare l2off with Dnet here's a fact.Best clan at NCWest Naia atm,uses anakim scroll WITH zerging numbers ,so imagine 20-30 anakims at once rushing on pvp and pvp ending in about 5 min.
We shouldn't discuss the power of the scroll but the way it's used on our server.Here you have stacksubbed stats which makes the classes extreamly powerfull in compare with off,AND an overpowered scroll from it's nature,the reuse time of anakim spell is like a hydro blast if not lower,and the range of spell is huge as i've seen.
Though i'd agree with ylim's post,if it's not gonna be nerfed /removed (big deal...) just focus them ,it's kill once ,get rid of it for half a siege....
Now comes a 2nd proposition from me to Track.
How about opening the path to anakim for some time,like a 2 weeks deadline or a month or so.
Result ,many people ge the chance of having it ,and there won't be trouble about misstreats like were mentioned before,and despite that,i believe it would make a nice pvp place,many people want this transform from both sides,and some from other sides probably,could be fun...relating to the topic that you made with 13 pages of why there's no pvp on server.My opinion about that is,because there's nothing to pvp about probably,it's 1 beleth/day and maybe some epic boss...
Actually, i am thinking to boost anakim as Raid (make nice drop too), and also higher chance of anakim scroll to drop (currently is 100% drop but 1% chance!) We shell see, let discussion develop more.
But...anyone want pvp in some time 40 anakims vs 40 anakims ?
Quote from: TrackZero on February 27, 2012, 11:05:50 AM
Actually, i am thinking to boost anakim as Raid (make nice drop too), and also higher chance of anakim scroll to drop (currently is 100% drop but 1% chance!) We shell see, let discussion develop more.
Yes but what will the boosted drop % chance change when it's unavailable as raid?Dusk must win in order for the boss to be killed and that won't happen by the players on the server. It's win/win thing,leave it as it is,or delete it.
Quote from: lasombra on February 27, 2012, 11:21:09 AM
But...anyone want pvp in some time 40 anakims vs 40 anakims ?
Personaly i think that would be terrible,but since many people feel misstreated by the fact that they don't have the chance of having it ,and they don't want it deleted i don't see any other solution. Maybe that is what it takes for people to realise that pvping that way is lame,i know there are some ppl that think it's lame ,but the majority doesn't see it.
Quote from: Luthor123 on February 27, 2012, 11:25:27 AM
Yes but what will the boosted drop % chance change when it's unavailable as raid?Dusk must win in order for the boss to be killed and that won't happen by the players on the server. It's win/win thing,leave it as it is,or delete it.Personaly i think that would be terrible,but since many people feel misstreated by the fact that they don't have the chance of having it ,and they don't want it deleted i don't see any other solution. Maybe that is what it takes for people to realise that pvping that way is lame,i know there are some ppl that think it's lame ,but the majority doesn't see it.
Thats most happy part for me, i want to see people on server cooperate together immaculate with papajin and dramaqueen xD
Personaly this discussion is none sence and i won't take part of it. Imo there are urgent mathers witch threaten way more pvp in this server than anakim scroll!!!
But if u wish to waste ur time By my guest!
Quote from: lasombra on February 27, 2012, 11:21:09 AM
But...anyone want pvp in some time 40 anakims vs 40 anakims ?
this time i have to agree whit u.
Quote from: Garro on February 27, 2012, 11:54:01 AM
Tabbo !! You are wrong ! It should be " But...anyone want pvp in some time 40 anakims vs 120 anakims ? " Then we could agree with him ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Imo if Track starts to remove all what Aod doesn't know how to use... we are fuked!!
Quote from: Garro on February 27, 2012, 11:54:01 AM
Tabbo !! You are wrong ! It should be " But...anyone want pvp in some time 40 anakims vs 120 anakims ? " Then we could agree with him ;D
u are such an hater ;D
Does this matters anyway? Scroll was obtainable before GF update (some ppl farmed anakim then, hi Arhangell :) ), some people got it, NONE was able to harvest its potential before Voodoo did on Katsu. THEN suddenly a river of tears appeared. Suprisingly, apart from Weezer, none other could copy that.
Time goes by, Voodoo changed chars, chose one of the abandoned classes, reached its potential on Shironeko, THEN suddenly a river of tears appeared. We can see the copycats running around now.
There isn't anything new to this game, these things were allready there to use. So as I see it, Voodoo is the beta-tester, FTP are the test subjects, most of the server (who rerolls after the test) are the customers, and yet again FTP/WS etc. are the upset customers who didn't get what they want in the way they wanted.
Vote given, I said "no", but it doesn't really matter to us anymore. You (our enemies) aren't a threat to us, with using Anakim. Now, I'm waiting for the "Remove Real Target/Prahnah" topic.
yes, it's unbalacing pvp
actualy anakim is powerfull on every server the diffrent that on other server if anakim kill 20-30ppl its not mean the end of pvp :D
Remove this sh1t or make available for all
Why Weezer hiting so much with Anakim? Answer: He is nuker ,skilled pvp player and got holy in weapon when use Anakim.
Why Missviva hiting low? Answer: He is full support and i doubt he using holy in weapon and with all respect to him, he is not so skilled as Weezer.
So nec/pp got more INT then ol/wc or sws/ee right? Give anakim to sh for example Felissin and u will see damage.
And i dont know why ppl die with such damage from him, maybe its time to learn buff? Why he didnt kill me yesterday? And was trying few times. And my holy resist in set is sh1ty.
Quote from: MegaZord on February 27, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Why Weezer hiting so much with Anakim? Answer: He is nuker ,skilled pvp player and got holy in weapon when use Anakim.
Why Missviva hiting low? Answer: He is full support and i doubt he using holy in weapon and with all respect to him, he is not so skilled as Weezer.
So nec/pp got more INT then ol/wc or sws/ee right? Give anakim to sh for example Felissin and u will see damage.
And i dont know why ppl die with such damage from him, maybe its time to learn buff? Why he didnt kill me yesterday? And was trying few times. And my holy resist in set is sh1ty.
At least someone who understand how it works!
I know that is hard for me to kill u, since u r a Tank and even without Holy Attribute u have Deflect Magic and u have skills, so i take u as target to being able to nuke others around u. Cause the most important part isn't take a easy target to kill, but a hard one, so u will be able to kill others near him and this is how people should use Anakim, not take targets that u can kill with 2 hits (hi FireBlade!).
Just one more important information to add on this discussion:
(http://www.uploadeimagem.net/upload/fae8d929.jpg)
This is why ur Anakim's make so low damage on us, Nitopami don't even use weapon with Holy Attribute, and same as Zord i doubt MissViva use that too, only Llamame have a weapon with Holy, the main problem isn't how OP Anakim is, but how some people use it, cause imo it's OP when u know how to use it, but seens some people don't know how to use it.
Quote from: PvtStuka on February 27, 2012, 01:22:10 PM
This is what I explained a bit earlier.
Y, but now with screens! :D
I totally agree with u Weez.
do you imagine if slowly the server will be filled up of anakims =D?
is what you want ?
Dear Track,
I've got this dagger. Nthg fancy but its s grade and it seems a 'good' weapon. Now here's my problem, well, i just don't take the time to learn the skills or how to use it best. Other chars come and they kill me with THEIR daggers and its just not fair.
So please please please, can't we just remove all dagger weapons from game?
Oh, and I've got this bow, OE ica, not vesper, but is a good bow still. Now here's my problem, well, i......
/end sarcasm
I even wont vote ( anyway if i should do i will vote "no" ) . Long time ago i understood that votes like this and things happened after this just make ppls to leave from server and bring nothing good. I will give just one example - "fix" with fame ( when you are dead to get fame) - now "fixed" from you - no more fame if you are dead. Do you know Track how much ppl leaved cuz of this - i know at least 5 active players. You will said - what matter have 5 players - they are not so much. But i know just 5 - i suppose there a lot other who leaved too. Anyway in topic.
Remember Stalin? He had following motto: There is a man - there is a problem, no man - no problem. ( or smth, im not rly good in english) . Cuz of that motto miilions ppls died. You want "fix" problems in server in this way, but history showed us that following this motto is not good in any case. So dont that easy delete smth, that need to be ingame. Just give chanse to other. I read all topic and there is doubt how this will be made, if Anakim is not there cuz ot always Dawn won. Its easy and simple -just put scroll in lilith. But ofc make lilith very strong - strong i mean not just to double p.def, m.def, HP and so on , cuz this is nothing - just litle more time for usual farmers to kill.
p.s. I dont have anakim scrolls, even dont log so often in game - just there is no more friends with who to play - they all leaved in one or other reason ( and they was so much)
Quote from: PvtStuka on February 27, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
Does this matters anyway? Scroll was obtainable before GF update (some ppl farmed anakim then, hi Arhangell :) ), some people got it, NONE was able to harvest its potential before Voodoo did on Katsu. THEN suddenly a river of tears appeared. Suprisingly, apart from Weezer, none other could copy that.
Time goes by, Voodoo changed chars, chose one of the abandoned classes, reached its potential on Shironeko, THEN suddenly a river of tears appeared. We can see the copycats running around now.
There isn't anything new to this game, these things were allready there to use. So as I see it, Voodoo is the beta-tester, FTP are the test subjects, most of the server (who rerolls after the test) are the customers, and yet again FTP/WS etc. are the upset customers who didn't get what they want in the way they wanted.
Vote given, I said "no", but it doesn't really matter to us anymore. You (our enemies) aren't a threat to us, with using Anakim. Now, I'm waiting for the "Remove Real Target/Prahnah" topic.
This naab said everything!!! +500 :D
Quote from: Weezer on February 27, 2012, 01:17:29 PM
At least someone who understand how it works!
I know that is hard for me to kill u, since u r a Tank and even without Holy Attribute u have Deflect Magic and u have skills, so i take u as target to being able to nuke others around u. Cause the most important part isn't take a easy target to kill, but a hard one, so u will be able to kill others near him and this is how people should use Anakim, not take targets that u can kill with 2 hits (hi FireBlade!).
Just one more important information to add on this discussion:
(http://www.uploadeimagem.net/upload/fae8d929.jpg)
This is why ur Anakim's make so low damage on us, Nitopami don't even use weapon with Holy Attribute, and same as Zord i doubt MissViva use that too, only Llamame have a weapon with Holy, the main problem isn't how OP Anakim is, but how some people use it, cause imo it's OP when u know how to use it, but seens some people don't know how to use it.
Stop teaching them FFS!! ;D
Quote from: surecom on February 27, 2012, 02:36:23 PM
I even wont vote ( anyway if i should do i will vote "no" ) . Long time ago i understood that votes like this and things happened after this just make ppls to leave from server and bring nothing good. I will give just one example - "fix" with fame ( when you are dead to get fame) - now "fixed" from you - no more fame if you are dead. Do you know Track how much ppl leaved cuz of this - i know at least 5 active players. You will said - what matter have 5 players - they are not so much. But i know just 5 - i suppose there a lot other who leaved too. Anyway in topic.
Remember Stalin? He had following motto: There is a man - there is a problem, no man - no problem. ( or smth, im not rly good in english) . Cuz of that motto miilions ppls died. You want "fix" problems in server in this way, but history showed us that following this motto is not good in any case. So dont that easy delete smth, that need to be ingame. Just give chanse to other. I read all topic and there is doubt how this will be made, if Anakim is not there cuz ot always Dawn won. Its easy and simple -just put scroll in lilith. But ofc make lilith very strong - strong i mean not just to double p.def, m.def, HP and so on , cuz this is nothing - just litle more time for usual farmers to kill.
p.s. I dont have anakim scrolls, even dont log so often in game - just there is no more friends with who to play - they all leaved in one or other reason ( and they was so much)
Are u seriosly ? About what u write here,Lilth to drop anakim scrool are u kiding here?what will be next ? Maybe Baium can drop Valakas Neklace?
As i remember we going to be like oficial server.Anakim can drop Anakim scrool (ONLY).Dont try to put some Jokes like this who write before coz we are so old server ...
Quote from: NiToPaMi on February 27, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
Are u seriosly ? About what u write here,Lilth to drop anakim scrool are u kiding here?what will be next ? Maybe Baium can drop Valakas Neklace?
As i remember we going to be like oficial server.Anakim can drop Anakim scrool (ONLY).Dont try to put some Jokes like this who write before coz we are so old server ...
Dear retarded PIskal, playing 6-7 years there seriously dmged your brain - rly.... Just some time think a litle - if we are official - why we have icarus drop,spoil - i only will give this like example - in other hand i wonder why i try to explain you smth. Almost all players there know that your brain, like i wrote above is seriosly damaged
Quote from: surecom on February 27, 2012, 05:41:57 PM
Dear retarded PIskal, playing 6-7 years there seriously dmged your brain - rly.... Just some time think a litle - if we are official - why we have icarus drop,spoil - i only will give this like example - in other hand i wonder why i try to explain you smth. Almost all players there know that your brain, like i wrote above is seriosly damaged
I sew who wana start trening to be smart .U brain work perfekt .no comment any more with u .u have only 1 think going check u dirty face in miror.LILIT WILL DROP ANAKIM SCROL VERY SOON ROFL
Quote from: MegaZord on February 27, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Why Weezer hiting so much with Anakim? Answer: He is nuker ,skilled pvp player and got holy in weapon when use Anakim.
Why Missviva hiting low? Answer: He is full support and i doubt he using holy in weapon and with all respect to him, he is not so skilled as Weezer.
So nec/pp got more INT then ol/wc or sws/ee right? Give anakim to sh for example Felissin and u will see damage.
And i dont know why ppl die with such damage from him, maybe its time to learn buff? Why he didnt kill me yesterday? And was trying few times. And my holy resist in set is sh1ty.
just 1 reason to prove ur explanation is wrong
"Katsu"
Quote from: Weezer on February 27, 2012, 01:07:49 AM
On screen u have no Songs/Dances, no CC and from Wards i can have max +3 from INT, not +8.
If people use buffs same as u do on this screen now i know why i make such damage.
But dont worry i voted to remove it.
Not just CB have it, tbh we have 2 Anakim's, mine and Katsu (not playing with this char) and on AOD u have MissViva, Nitopami and Llamame. There's 3 active players on AOD and 1 on CB.
This is not flame, but u must know that Anakim have a skill that remove the debuffs on it, most of time i see people using all kind of skills on me, except SILENCE (just 2 times while i was on Anakim people silenced me) and with Silence i cant use this skill on myself and also can't heal myself.
lol u saw my m def??even without songs and other buffs isnt pretty op dmg?;D and if not dmg op look 2 hits in a row without time to heal...obiouvsly cmon...why u never admit that is fuking unbalanced thing?is so hard..and bout int+8 i just want remind u our last discussion on old topic where "u teached us" how to use anakim and explained that u had int+8...
Quote from: PvtStuka on February 27, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
Does this matters anyway? Scroll was obtainable before GF update (some ppl farmed anakim then, hi Arhangell :) ), some people got it, NONE was able to harvest its potential before Voodoo did on Katsu. THEN suddenly a river of tears appeared. Suprisingly, apart from Weezer, none other could copy that.
Time goes by, Voodoo changed chars, chose one of the abandoned classes, reached its potential on Shironeko, THEN suddenly a river of tears appeared. We can see the copycats running around now.
There isn't anything new to this game, these things were allready there to use. So as I see it, Voodoo is the beta-tester, FTP are the test subjects, most of the server (who rerolls after the test) are the customers, and yet again FTP/WS etc. are the upset customers who didn't get what they want in the way they wanted.
Vote given, I said "no", but it doesn't really matter to us anymore. You (our enemies) aren't a threat to us, with using Anakim. Now, I'm waiting for the "Remove Real Target/Prahnah" topic.
(http://www.alljewishlinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jizz-in-my-pants-jewish-300x222.jpg)
Quote from: Luthor123 on February 27, 2012, 07:41:55 PM
(http://www.alljewishlinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jizz-in-my-pants-jewish-300x222.jpg)
Ah yea, you made your point crystal clear. Wanker. :)
Quote from: FIREBLADE on February 27, 2012, 07:31:47 PM
lol u saw my m def??even without songs and other buffs isnt pretty op dmg?;D and if not dmg op look 2 hits in a row without time to heal...obiouvsly cmon...why u never admit that is fuking unbalanced thing?is so hard..and bout int+8 i just want remind u our last discussion on old topic where "u teached us" how to use anakim and explained that u had int+8...
Yes i saw ur m. def and u stil can reach more cause u dont have songs, and damage could be lower if u had CC.
And yes i tried to teach people who to use Anakim, but well as u could see they still don't know how to use it. Someday they gonna learn it or we gonna keep complaining till this gonna be removed?
So it's my fault the transformation is OP? This is how NCSoft made it.
It's my fault Nitopami and MissViva don't use weapon with Holy Attribute? Should i give a weapon with Holy for them?
FFS u have 3 Anakim's and u can't use that shit properly!
Check Zord's post, but ofc it's easier to QQ than find a way to kill me when i'm using Anakim or to survive against my hits.
Quote from: Weezer on February 27, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
Yes i saw ur m. def and u stil can reach more cause u dont have songs, and damage could be lower if u had CC.
And yes i tried to teach people who to use Anakim, but well as u could see they still don't know how to use it. Someday they gonna learn it or we gonna keep complaining till this gonna be removed?
So it's my fault the transformation is OP? This is how NCSoft made it.
It's my fault Nitopami and MissViva don't use weapon with Holy Attribute? Should i give a weapon with Holy for them?
FFS u have 3 Anakim's and u can't use that shit properly!
Check Zord's post, but ofc it's easier to QQ than find a way to kill me when i'm using Anakim or to survive against my hits.
pm biruleibe for holy weapon he took 1 from me :D
Quote from: ylim on February 27, 2012, 11:23:00 PM
pm biruleibe for holy weapon he took 1 from me :D
my cool am+4? :D
Quote from: Di on February 27, 2012, 05:47:36 PM
just 1 reason to prove ur explanation is wrong
"Katsu"
Katsu was using holy in weapon so u failed ;p. And Weezer hiting better then Katsu did. So its about INT of char.
Quote from: MegaZord on February 27, 2012, 11:43:08 PM
Katsu was using holy in weapon so u failed ;p. And Weezer hiting better then Katsu did. So its about INT of char.
No, it's because i had ic+a+3 with 300 attr only. xD
New day new drama. :)
Quote from: MegaZord on February 27, 2012, 11:43:08 PM
Katsu was using holy in weapon so u failed ;p. And Weezer hiting better then Katsu did. So its about INT of char.
Katsu still killed more in transformation (with fighter buffs) than weezer did, remember domination event ?
Quote from: NiToPaMi on February 27, 2012, 05:45:58 PM
I sew who wana start trening to be smart .U brain work perfekt .no comment any more with u .u have only 1 think going check u dirty face in miror.LILIT WILL DROP ANAKIM SCROL VERY SOON ROFL
Nito please... Can u read yourself?
Quote from: PvtStuka on February 27, 2012, 08:10:10 PM
Ah yea, you made your point crystal clear. Wanker. :)
Ok. I go pray to my God Voodoo to show me mercy now. :-X OW SNAP ,that's youuuuuu,sorrryyy.
Quote from: Luthor123 on February 28, 2012, 10:11:12 AM
Ok. I go pray to my God Voodoo to show me mercy now. :-X OW SNAP ,that's youuuuuu,sorrryyy.
The hell are you talking about? I'm not Voodoo. Or that supposed to be a hampered sarcasm?
Quote from: Shadow21 on February 27, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
dunno about official drop list but on infinity dusk won many times in past and i didnt remember even 1 anakim dropped this transform. 1st anakim i saw on nightmare after merge.
it's true
Quote from: NiToPaMi on February 27, 2012, 12:07:58 AM
mf maybe u was unlucky to got him XD
whole damn server was unlucky?
Quote from: joaquimcara1 on February 27, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
U know cb (weezer) knows how to use anakim while Aod, hence having the scrol to, get raped anyway, so most of them hate it! Looking at players numbers from each side u think u have made a fair poll Track?? Do u?
xD It's true, I have never died from anakim, more dangerous for me is any single mage useing bouble, or any two mages useing usuall skills. Problems with learning how to play with it? :P
Quote from: MegaZord on February 27, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Why Weezer hiting so much with Anakim? Answer: He is nuker ,skilled pvp player and got holy in weapon when use Anakim.
Why Missviva hiting low? Answer: He is full support and i doubt he using holy in weapon and with all respect to him, he is not so skilled as Weezer.
So nec/pp got more INT then ol/wc or sws/ee right? Give anakim to sh for example Felissin and u will see damage.
And i dont know why ppl die with such damage from him, maybe its time to learn buff? Why he didnt kill me yesterday? And was trying few times. And my holy resist in set is sh1ty.
100% true xD, give to sh weapon with water atribute, at start wondering why the dmg is lower for about 400%(to mob, to ppl its more complicated) xD
Quote from: lasombra on February 27, 2012, 11:21:09 AM
But...anyone want pvp in some time 40 anakims vs 40 anakims ?
With 1% chance maybe after 5 years u will have 10 scrolls, and u predict 80, and I took an impresion that it will be soon? xD Ask Track how many lils do we kill monthly.
Do u remember what drop rate was low of s grade weapon at early C4(chance was similar to 1%)? AoD was killing at those times even 10 RB's per day, and after few months we got some S grade weapon. It will be even worse, cause anakim is not like RB's like at those times 10+8? not sure.
Quote from: MegaZord on February 27, 2012, 11:43:08 PM
Katsu was using holy in weapon so u failed ;p. And Weezer hiting better then Katsu did. So its about INT of char.
Im not an expert, but if human mage got +4 int from dyes, and if he get another +3 int from wards (not +8 loool) this +3 give additional +21% m atak if im not wrong. It cant bring so big diffrence.
But still....cry starts after weez didnt had this +3 additional int, so it's a time to start useing things properly.
Diffrence betwen same weapon, one without attribute, and one with attribute when dealing dmg to mob is like +400%. But why mostly I see weapons selling at the giran are : mostly 20 attribute to 150, than rarly 150 - 450, and really rare 540....PPl camp 20/24 to get wespers and even won't put attribute properly, when attribute is making really huge diffrence? It's sensless or lack of l2 knowledge.
I will prefer am +3 540 water, than even vesper +16 150 water...
And ppl cry about edited chars...lol
IF weapon dosnt have 540, is not a weapon for me, its a toy, a specially if u earn huge diffrence at dmg at pvp while earning last attribute scores...
------------------------------------
I was voting for not delating these scrolls, and I don't care that probably I wont have any scroll never. If I start to cry about this, I could start to cry about everything, like some ppl here. It's like a plague I need to beware of it.
Find a solution, stop multiply barriers...
Quote from: G4T on February 28, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
I will prefer am +3 540 water, than even vesper +16 150 water...
I play OL so i prefer a vesper blunt+16+a :)
Quote from: Gonzal on February 29, 2012, 02:10:18 AM
I play OL so i prefer a vesper blunt+16+a :)
we are talking about useing and eventualy delating anakim, so if ol/wc want to use anakim and if he use vesper w/o attribute even +16, it will be noob choice, am +3 with 540 divine is better for it
delete anakim transformation and i think we should delete also: necros, SH, archers, daggers, or at last theirs weapons/atributes, becouse they deal too much dmg (like anakim)
votes over , so ?
Quote from: mimoo_m on February 29, 2012, 05:58:19 PM
votes over , so ?
Voting closes:
March 04, 2012, 11:13:58 pm
Are you sure?
:*
Not playing here on this server but you can counter an anakim, just by buffing properly so its better not to remove those scrolls.
Just some ways to counter it;
have holy resist,
good bp,
learn to assist :D
and i dont see whats wrong here, on Arena x200 those scrolls have a reuse of like 4h..
Quote from: Deathsoul on March 01, 2012, 08:35:38 AM
and i dont see whats wrong here, on Arena x200 those scrolls have a reuse of like 4h..
this should be rly nice solution imo. keep scroll as it is but increas reuse time when u can resummn it again. so u cant use it permanently.
Those anakims where like the era in Arena x200 that almost nobody knew what attri attack Light Vortex/Solar Flare had from sps... and people where dieing 2 hits, including archers who eat 13k dmg back then from am+a+3 weapon.. (they on arena set, wich is compared to dnet vesper right now, better :P)
Reuse of all transformation scrolls - including anakim - is 4h.
BISKOTA
The reuse of the transformation it's already 4 hours, i use just on the end of sieges cause i cant use that all the time.
What i saw in this whole topic is people asking to remove it just cause they don't know how to use it properly:
- People don't use weapons with holy attribute: they gonna make shit damage, give a Vesper+a+16 with water to a SH and u gonna see a shit damage, same applies to Anakim.
- Anakim's from AOD don't had +INT on their chars: i have +4 from dyes, also +1INT from my weapon.
- Buffs on Targets: there's a dance who adds holy protection, they fixed the holy protection from PP, pots to add holy defense (most of people don't use it, but to prevent the damage they should think about it).
- Buffs on Anakim User: and to make more damage (Dance of Light + Holy Weapon or the Divine pot from MOS adds Holy Attribute and i will make more damage)
- The way to fight against Anakim: instead of all players tries to kill it why dont u all start to use some usefull skills ur chars have, like Stuns, Silences, Cancel, Steal Divinity, Dance of Medusa. Those skills i can't cleanse with Anakim skill, but i think everyone just press F1 trying to kill it.
Also 1 more think Anakim is OP when u have a good party, cause u will need their support a lot of time, most of time when i got silenced or on medusa state i gonna need the BP to cleanse me. Heals don't take a lot of mana but nuke skills consumes a lot of mana (and since we fight much more enemies than our numbers i ran out of mana sometimes), without a good recharger i would be without mana rly fast.
So my tks for Thomas (Spelso) and Ika (Shabby) that supports me all the time when i'm using it. Tbh think about this a bit, isn't just Anakim OP, i need buffs and support while on PVP, don't think that i do all this alone, Anakim is OP when u have a player with the proper gear, who knows how to use it and with people on pt who know how to react in those situations.
But ofc it's easier to ask to remove Anakim than learn how to fight against it.
Quote from: Weezer on March 01, 2012, 03:24:46 PM
The reuse of the transformation it's already 4 hours, i use just on the end of sieges cause i cant use that all the time.
What i saw in this whole topic is people asking to remove it just cause they don't know how to use it properly:
- People don't use weapons with holy attribute: they gonna make shit damage, give a Vesper+a+16 with water to a SH and u gonna see a shit damage, same applies to Anakim.
- Anakim's from AOD don't had +INT on their chars: i have +4 from dyes, also +1INT from my weapon.
- Buffs on Targets: there's a dance who adds holy protection, they fixed the holy protection from PP, pots to add holy defense (most of people don't use it, but to prevent the damage they should think about it).
- Buffs on Anakim User: and to make more damage (Dance of Light + Holy Weapon or the Divine pot from MOS adds Holy Attribute and i will make more damage)
- The way to fight against Anakim: instead of all players tries to kill it why dont u all start to use some usefull skills ur chars have, like Stuns, Silences, Cancel, Steal Divinity, Dance of Medusa. Those skills i can't cleanse with Anakim skill, but i think everyone just press F1 trying to kill it.
Also 1 more think Anakim is OP when u have a good party, cause u will need their support a lot of time, most of time when i got silenced or on medusa state i gonna need the BP to cleanse me. Heals don't take a lot of mana but nuke skills consumes a lot of mana (and since we fight much more enemies than our numbers i ran out of mana sometimes), without a good recharger i would be without mana rly fast.
So my tks for Thomas (Spelso) and Ika (Shabby) that supports me all the time when i'm using it. Tbh think about this a bit, isn't just Anakim OP, i need buffs and support while on PVP, don't think that i do all this alone, Anakim is OP when u have a player with the proper gear, who knows how to use it and with people on pt who know how to react in those situations.
But ofc it's easier to ask to remove Anakim than learn how to fight against it.
And yet again you lecture them about it. Why?
Quote from: PvtStuka on March 01, 2012, 04:52:08 PM
And yet again you lecture them about it. Why?
cuz he dont want it to be deleted?
Quote from: Peorexo on March 01, 2012, 07:21:29 PM
cuz he dont want it to be deleted?
Tbh i don't care if gonna be deleted or not, i just wanna explain why i'm able to make that damage and Anakim's from AOD can't do the same.
The main point in this complains is why i made soo high damage and they can't do the same, and i think i explained why this happens, and we going to delete things just cause they don't know how to use the full power of it and even if they could they would complain cause their Anakim's kills their own ally (works same like OL debuffs).
Delete what ppl dont understand? ??? always looking for the easy way out.
Quote from: Weezer on March 01, 2012, 07:53:57 PM
Tbh i don't care if gonna be deleted or not, i just wanna explain why i'm able to make that damage and Anakim's from AOD can't do the same.
The main point in this complains is why i made soo high damage and they can't do the same, and i think i explained why this happens, and we going to delete things just cause they don't know how to use the full power of it and even if they could they would complain cause their Anakim's kills their own ally (works same like OL debuffs).
Imo the only person u own any explanations is to gm's, if the yask u. Giving away such infos, when they alrdy zerg us 1/5.... well lets just say i don't get ur point...
There's other ways to make a case about how anakim should stay as it is. Giving away free lessons isn't one of them imo.
Quote from: Weezer on March 01, 2012, 07:53:57 PM
Tbh i don't care if gonna be deleted or not, i just wanna explain why i'm able to make that damage and Anakim's from AOD can't do the same.
The main point in this complains is why i made soo high damage and they can't do the same, and i think i explained why this happens, and we going to delete things just cause they don't know how to use the full power of it and even if they could they would complain cause their Anakim's kills their own ally (works same like OL debuffs).
u are not explain why u make such dmg... u are teaching them how to use it...
now when they start wondering, how i should own with anakim tranform? will read this post and they will make such dmg.
After that happen they wont QQ anymore and will vote to NO delete anakim.
Is simple as make my char stronger cause i hit sh1t cry here cry there cry everywhere.
Cheers
Quote from: Weezer on March 01, 2012, 07:53:57 PM
Tbh i don't care if gonna be deleted or not, i just wanna explain why i'm able to make that damage and Anakim's from AOD can't do the same.
The main point in this complains is why i made soo high damage and they can't do the same, and i think i explained why this happens, and we going to delete things just cause they don't know how to use the full power of it and even if they could they would complain cause their Anakim's kills their own ally (works same like OL debuffs).
why do u even bother instead of just listen to me: they blow
Quote from: cthon on March 02, 2012, 07:04:49 AM
why do u even bother instead of just listen to me: im suck monkey's d1ck
never to late write the truth.......
Quote from: cthon on March 02, 2012, 07:04:49 AM
why do u even bother instead of just listen to me: they blow
sdy can learn sdy cos he/she/it its just so a brainless bigego tard useless to teach (let me guess in which group u r ;) )
Quote from: cthon on March 02, 2012, 07:04:49 AM
why do u even bother instead of just listen to me: they blow
(http://thestrongmove.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/thumb-dumbass.jpg)
::)
Since im kind afk, cna some1 explain why do u want to remove anakim?
Quote from: 666VeNoM on March 02, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
Since im kind afk, cna some1 explain why do u want to remove anakim?
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/056/over9000.jpg)
Quote from: 666VeNoM on March 02, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
Since im kind afk, cna some1 explain why do u want to remove anakim?
hmm let see ... imposoble to get it ... have higher power on skills wich are splash { as we know spalsh dmg skills have low power} ....hmm what els ah we have instant heals wich not consume mana ....what els hmm not enough? :P
WTB new good mage weapon with full holy atribute PM xDDDD
Quote from: Weezer on March 01, 2012, 07:53:57 PM
Tbh i don't care if gonna be deleted or not, i just wanna explain why i'm able to make that damage and Anakim's from AOD can't do the same.
The main point in this complains is why i made soo high damage and they can't do the same, and i think i explained why this happens, and we going to delete things just cause they don't know how to use the full power of it and even if they could they would complain cause their Anakim's kills their own ally (works same like OL debuffs).
So from now on, it goes like this: we come up with an idea, they cry about it, and you reveal the whole thing to them? Do you think they would do the same? When 2 countries are at war, does they share tactics with each other? NO, for a reason!
Quote from: NiToPaMi on March 02, 2012, 12:38:57 PM
WTB new good mage weapon with full holy atribute PM xDDDD
Won't change the fact that i'm better than u. :)
Quote from: Weezer on March 02, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Won't change the fact that i'm better than u. :)
Weezer MF i wont comment in what way u are better then me XD. Remember im tired ...XD
Quote from: NiToPaMi on March 02, 2012, 03:18:19 PM
Weezer MF i wont comment in what way u are better then me XD. Remember im tired ...XD
I just told the true... :P
Quote from: PvtStuka on March 02, 2012, 02:46:53 PM
So from now on, it goes like this: we come up with an idea, they cry about it, and you reveal the whole thing to them? Do you think they would do the same? When 2 countries are at war, does they share tactics with each other? NO, for a reason!
Woah ,if you compare country wars with l2(Video game) you srsly need to get a life....i wish weezer never even said what he said ,you might find him and kill him for "revealing" some stuff that all of decent players here know.
But SHHHHHHHHH,don't tell anyone! :-X
Today TW showed what can make both sides with their Anakims
they are OP just when you're not buffed properly (i got 600-700 from Llamame ;)
so I think they shouldn't be removed, but mby ppl should get a chance to get them aswell :)
Quote from: Luthor123 on March 03, 2012, 08:38:45 PM
Woah ,if you compare country wars with l2(Video game) you srsly need to get a life....i wish weezer never even said what he said ,you might find him and kill him for "revealing" some stuff that all of decent players here know.
But SHHHHHHHHH,don't tell anyone! :-X
a group of ninjas sent to kill him
Quote from: Luthor123 on March 03, 2012, 08:38:45 PM
Woah ,if you compare country wars with l2(Video game) you srsly need to get a life....i wish weezer never even said what he said ,you might find him and kill him for "revealing" some stuff that all of decent players here know.
But SHHHHHHHHH,don't tell anyone! :-X
Yes, you clearly got my point moron. That was an overrated example. And between our clans, there is an actual war.
Yes, I need to get a life. I'm curious, are you a droid, since you obviously dont spend your PRECIOUS LIFE cicle to PLAY. I wonder how are you even here? Or you came from an alternate reality what is warping time so you can PLAY and POST without spending even 1 second from your actual REAL LIFE?
If you can't see after this, that you argument is invalid, then you are dumber than I thought.
Quote from: PvtStuka on March 03, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
Yes, you clearly got my point moron. That was an overrated example. And between our clans, there is an actual war.
Yes, I need to get a life. I'm curious, are you a droid, since you obviously dont spend your PRECIOUS LIFE cicle to PLAY. I wonder how are you even here? Or you came from an alternate reality what is warping time so you can PLAY and POST without spending even 1 second from your actual REAL LIFE?
If you can't see after this, that you argument is invalid, then you are dumber than I thought.
You and rest of the players playing this game have different view of INGAME war.That's all.
And to make you feel better ,i am hurt with your word! :(
Quote from: Luthor123 on March 04, 2012, 09:34:48 AM
You and rest of the players playing this game have different view of INGAME war.That's all.
And to make you feel better ,i am hurt with your word! :(
Explain please. How is a war different in any way? We kill each other, use tactics at sieges and TW, backstabbing and spying happens, etc. Oh, I can come up with 1 thing: in real war, swearing and insulting is the least of anyones concern. I give you that.
Why do you think I feel better if others feel bad?
Thanks everyone who have voted.