In my honest oppinion dagger classes should be nerfed atleast a bit. They are obviously OP when combined with tanks/wl on GF.
I don't even need to bring pics, you can look at the server and notice there are atleast 1/3 of the whole community playing dagger/tank classes.
I have no chance of killing a dagger/tank class with lower equipment than me. It's simply hide, back stab for around 3k, lethal, shadow step, backstab again and boom.
I know it's hard to balance all the classes since it's a substack server that's why i didn't say nerf them big time. Just decrease the power of their skills a bit and the half-kill, lethal rate.
Track alrdy has all the proofs of the dmg we make those few ppl and dmg they make us... what i don't understand is that's not all dagger classes just few ( 2 XD) and now this siege not even just dagger classes... .... even sheva arcers now have uber defense! Which they hadn't yday's fort siege for example ;D :D
Track u know how i feel about this and i will stand by my decision!
What about mage/tank?
its also nice... :-*
Quote from: Corpsse on April 01, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
In my honest oppinion dagger classes should be nerfed atleast a bit. They are obviously OP when combined with tanks/wl on GF.
I don't even need to bring pics, you can look at the server and notice there are atleast 1/3 of the whole community playing dagger/tank classes.
I have no chance of killing a dagger/tank class with lower equipment than me. It's simply hide, back stab for around 3k, lethal, shadow step, backstab again and boom.
I know it's hard to balance all the classes since it's a substack server that's why i didn't say nerf them big time. Just decrease the power of their skills a bit and the half-kill, lethal rate.
Im curious how dragon solved this one? I mean did they nerf something or not or if they have issues like this or not, cause all i can see is our community complaining ....
Seems like they have -% dmg on blow, not sure need to check so thats why maybe only us have an issue.
Quote from: TrackZero on April 01, 2012, 11:27:44 PM
Im curious how dragon solved this one? I mean did they nerf something or not or if they have issues like this or not, cause all i can see is our community complaining ....
What does this have to do with dragon? I just stated some facts here. There are alot of dagger classes on the server and all of them hit pretty high damage on robes atleast (talking from my own experience). I'm not saying permanently nerf them, just reduce they skill power and half kill rates a bit an see how it works.
I get it when a guy with a good attribute and enchant on his vesper weapon hits me for 5k on backstab. But getting 4-5k from dyna daggers with low attribute and 10K+ from vesper seems a bit too much since all i got is 8k HP and 5k CP max on my mage.
YES! Nerf daggers again! We are so overpowered with ALREADY NERFED and NOT WORKING skills. What a snot.
Your experience means NOTHING, obviously your knowledge is lacking. Ask ANY good mage from AoD/BA/CB, how many dmg can be made on them with daggers, if they are well buffed !
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 01, 2012, 11:18:30 PM
Track alrdy has all the proofs of the dmg we make those few ppl and dmg they make us... what i don't understand is that's not all dagger classes just few ( 2 XD) and now this siege not even just dagger classes... .... even sheva arcers now have uber defense! Which they hadn't yday's fort siege for example ;D :D
Track u know how i feel about this and i will stand by my decision!
yday at tw I didn't saw some uber pro defence on sheva's pt :o
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 01, 2012, 11:18:30 PM
Track alrdy has all the proofs of the dmg we make those few ppl and dmg they make us... what i don't understand is that's not all dagger classes just few ( 2 XD) and now this siege not even just dagger classes... .... even sheva arcers now have uber defense! Which they hadn't yday's fort siege for example ;D :D
Track u know how i feel about this and i will stand by my decision!
Post screens here
Are you serious ? I see mages in vesper full attribute with resist buffs getting dropped by dagger classes in a few seconds. Trust me, i got th/pal and i know what he can do.
I'm not saying i got the best equipped mage but getting huge amounts of damage from dagger classes with lower equipment than me seems a bit odd doesnt it ?
Quote from: Corpsse on April 01, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
Are you serious ? I see mages in vesper full attribute with resist buffs getting dropped by dagger classes in a few seconds. Trust me, i got th/pal and i know what he can do.
I'm not saying i got the best equipped mage but getting huge amounts of damage from dagger classes with lower equipment than me seems a bit odd doesnt it ?
Are your blows 20+ ? Is your FP 15? Do you have full buff including cc and cat? Do your target have hex/stigma/cw? THINK before you post bullshits.
Lol fuking QQ topic, we already got nerf some DA skills and now u want to nerf dagger skills AGAIN, common u play on dnet robe with max 2k p def and u dont want to get hard hitted? first put attr on set and then check if the one that hit u have same attr that ur set, cuz as far as a know dagger is a mage killer so plz dont come and QQ. you wont be able to kill ALL, just learn to play and thats all.
Quote from: Corpsse on April 01, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
Are you serious ? I see mages in vesper full attribute with resist buffs getting dropped by dagger classes in a few seconds. Trust me, i got th/pal and i know what he can do.
I'm not saying i got the best equipped mage but getting huge amounts of damage from dagger classes with lower equipment than me seems a bit odd doesnt it ?
Arrange any dagger class to 'drop' me (and i wear Elenil armor), no success guaranteed.
Daggers are fine now, perfect i would say. And ofc their dmg can be a bit high, but thats obvious when they are stabbing in ur back. Its up to you trying to avoid that happening.
Uthria
Quote from: TrackZero on April 01, 2012, 11:41:28 PM
Post screens here
No i won't post them here, for this trolls to flame on! Sry about that. U have them, share them with ppl who actualy have knowledge and brains...
Post here? are u saying u can't see for ur self? I don't understand why u want me to post them here rly
Quote from: ForgotPass on April 01, 2012, 11:51:05 PM
Arrange any dagger class to 'drop' me (and i wear Elenil armor), no success guaranteed.
Daggers are fine now, perfect i would say. And ofc their dmg can be a bit high, but thats obvious when they are stabbing in ur back. Its up to you trying to avoid that happening.
Uthria
Ur set is edited so ur opinion doesnt count..gtfo mofo
Quote from: ForgotPass on April 01, 2012, 11:51:05 PM
Arrange any dagger class to 'drop' me (and i wear Elenil armor), no success guaranteed.
Daggers are fine now, perfect i would say. And ofc their dmg can be a bit high, but thats obvious when they are stabbing in ur back. Its up to you trying to avoid that happening.
Uthria
+1
Quote from: Corpsse on April 01, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
Are you serious ? I see mages in vesper full attribute with resist buffs getting dropped by dagger classes in a few seconds. Trust me, i got th/pal and i know what he can do.
I'm not saying i got the best equipped mage but getting huge amounts of damage from dagger classes with lower equipment than me seems a bit odd doesnt it ?
then play th/pal xD, and had u ever thought that on siage "we" the daggers have CC+cat+focus chance+15,+backstab+20 ore more, and when we hit we hit hard, but we died fast too, cuz we are close range characters.
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 01, 2012, 11:53:31 PM
No i won't post them here, for this trolls to flame on! Sry about that. U have them, share them with ppl who actualy have knowledge and brains...
Post here? are u saying u can't see for ur self? I don't understand why u want me to post them here rly
Well if you want something to be discussed post screens here, cause u know stun shot is not really an attack skill.....
I would really like pics to be posted here cause i want them to be discussed, cause seems only on NM we have issues with dagger/tanks
Quote from: Phonex on April 01, 2012, 11:55:22 PM
then play th/pal xD, and had u ever thought that on siage "we" the daggers have CC+cat+focus chance+15,+backstab+20 ore more, and when we hit we hit hard, but we died fast too, cuz we are close range characters.
Well that exactly the problem!! Some of u just don't die! 10-15-20 guys hiting them for 200 dmg each...!
I don't think it's about classes, i have no troule with most! Even revel again today in first sieges got hitted few times for 800dmg (was it cause possible gm's where watching)? after on second siege puff 200 dmg on him, 300 on yoshimo... even creative wite elf archer was getting 99 for a while (ok maybe sof, ud, vg) and for 300 for the rest of the pvp with lasted over 5 min each time?? And there where no suport classes f them around!
Track u are being screwed and u duno how!!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 12:00:19 AM
Well that exactly the problem!! Some of u just don't die! 10-15-20 guys hiting them for 200 dmg each...!
I don't think it's about classes, i have no troule with most! Even revel again today in first sieges got hitted few times for 800dmg (was it cause possible gm's where watching)? after on second siege puff 200 dmg on him, 300 on yoshimo... even creative wite elf archer was getting 99 for a while (ok maybe sof, ud, vg) and for 300 for the rest of the pvp with lasted over min each time?? And there where no suport classes f them around!
Track u are being screwed and u duno how!!
Okey i will post screens then so we can all get screwed
Expected a bunch of players playing dagger class to start flaming over this.
I just said a small nerf. Dagger class a mage killer? How about every other class not subbed with tank ? Should we all use tank subs just because you dont want to get your power nerfed a bit ?
Should i play th/pal just so i can make a move? Than why are there other classes in this game? Lets all play dagger/tanks
Quote from: TrackZero on April 01, 2012, 11:57:35 PM
Well if you want something to be discussed post screens here, cause u know stun shot is not really an attack skill.....
I would really like pics to be posted here cause i want them to be discussed, cause seems only on NM we have issues with dagger/tanks
the problem is that 1 guy want to kill all server, and like u know track each char has different play style, mage kills tank, tank kills dagger and archers and dagger and archer kill mages, and even knowing that rule, they are some good mages that are damn hard to kill even if 2 daggers are hitting them, want names? lets say, fukmi, DQ (even i dont like him xD ), iepaa, Weezer, Smoke, and more, and dont tell me they are tank chars cuz they are pure mage :D (ore edited) :-\
I'm not trying to kill server! exactly the oposite as a mather of fact... :-\
Anyway i wasn't the oly guy there! Many others where, many others have the same opinion and i'm the only one besides corpse to post something...
It's over!
GG
Quote from: Corpsse on April 02, 2012, 12:02:20 AM
Expected a bunch of players playing dagger class to start flaming over this.
I just said a small nerf. Dagger class a mage killer? How about every other class not subbed with tank ? Should we all use tank subs just because you dont want to get your power nerfed a bit ?
Should i play th/pal just so i can make a move? Than why are there other classes in this game? Lets all play dagger/tanks
You short minded ass... In your translation dagger class = dagger/tank ??? You want to nerf an entire race because of a specific sub route? What is this, if not hipocrisy?
Oh, I am NOT a dagger/tank.
Quote from: Corpsse on April 01, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
In my honest oppinion dagger classes should be nerfed atleast a bit. They are obviously OP when combined with wl on GF.
I don't even need to bring pics, you can look at the server and notice there are atleast 1/3 of the whole community playing dagger/tank classes.
I have no chance of killing a dagger/tank class with lower equipment than me. It's simply hide, back stab for around 3k, lethal, shadow step, backstab again and boom.
I know it's hard to balance all the classes since it's a substack server that's why i didn't say nerf them big time. Just decrease the power of their skills a bit and the half-kill, lethal rate.
Wait... Say what? Have you ever tried to play a TH//WL properly?
question is if you are always well buffed, if you have atrb defence on max which is avilable
as i know from experience im often lack of some buff, so wont complain about dmg from any class, maybe you too...
i dont play dagger, but tank anyways
Track sent me those screens to check, i saw some interesting damage.
I will check some things on skilldata about those skills, but here's some tips:
- TK class is the most defensive tank class IG, with the right buffs u will take rly low damage, as long as u playing with shield.
- Stun Shot isn't a skill to make damage, this skill makes low damage.
- U should use Eye of Paagrio, Chant of Protection, Song of Elemental, Song of Windstorm.
On the screens u r trying to stun Yoshimo u dont have COV, and as i said before Stun Shot isn't a skill to make damage, but to stun the target (that's why u make such low damage). On the screen u trying to stun Revell u dont have COV and Dances, once again remember how Stun Shot work.
The damage u took i will consider the same buffs as u had on other screens, u was without 2 of the most important buffs for pvp and u didnt took a lot of damage.
Quote from: PvtStuka on April 02, 2012, 12:17:26 AM
You short minded ass... In your translation dagger class = dagger/tank ??? You want to nerf an entire race because of a specific sub route? What is this, if not hipocrisy?
Oh, I am NOT a dagger/tank.
That's why i said to nerf them just a bit, because i know that a substack server cant reach a perfect balance between classes. You should seriously calm down and stop with your insults, i just gave my oppinion, shared my experiences and made a PROPOSITION. I did not enforce anything nor did i change anything since it's not in my power to do so.
Daggers in general do high damage , i just added tanks because that combo makes them OP (high damage + high defense) and because most of the server population is formed by dagger/tank classes.
Quote from: Phonex on April 02, 2012, 12:04:21 AM
the problem is that 1 guy want to kill all server, and like u know track each char has different play style, mage kills tank, tank kills dagger and archers and dagger and archer kill mages, and even knowing that rule, they are some good mages that are damn hard to kill even if 2 daggers are hitting them, want names? lets say, fukmi, DQ (even i dont like him xD ), iepaa, Weezer, Smoke, and more, and dont tell me they are tank chars cuz they are pure mage :D (ore edited) :-\
damn u!! Are u forgot about me? c c c shame on u :)
Quote from: Gideon on April 02, 2012, 12:23:15 AM
Track sent me those screens to check, i saw some interesting damage.
I will check some things on skilldata about those skills, but here's some tips:
- TK class is the most defensive tank class IG, with the right buffs u will take rly low damage, as long as u playing with shield.
- Stun Shot isn't a skill to make damage, this skill makes low damage.
- U should use Eye of Paagrio, Chant of Protection, Song of Elemental, Song of Windstorm.
On the screens u r trying to stun Yoshimo u dont have COV, and as i said before Stun Shot isn't a skill to make damage, but to stun the target (that's why u make such low damage). On the screen u trying to stun Revell u dont have COV and Dances, once again remember how Stun Shot work.
The damage u took i will consider the same buffs as u had on other screens, u was without 2 of the most important buffs for pvp and u didnt took a lot of damage.
lol so he is QQ about daggers and he not even is well buffed? hahahah WTF use COV = more p def noob ass, and i bet u not even have buffs to reduce crits.
Gideon before we get a nerf plz ask revell and yoshimo what buffs the use, cuz i bet they use CC+cat+skills 20+ (same that some of us) thats why we make big damage on half buffed ppl -.- and other thing, plz check what skill they use, cuz "we" the daggers hit harder with backstab and more harder when its 20+, so plz check all before hearing this QQ noobs.
Quote from: Phonex on April 02, 2012, 12:29:44 AM
lol so he is QQ about daggers and he not even is well buffed? hahahah WTF use COV = more p def noob ass, and i bet u not even have buffs to reduce crits.
Gideon before we get a nerf plz ask revell and yoshimo what buffs the use, cuz i bet they use CC+cat+skills 20+ (same that some of us) thats why we make big damage on half buffed ppl -.- and other thing, plz check what skill they use, cuz "we" the daggers hit harder with backstab and more harder when its 20+, so plz check all before hearing this QQ noobs.
donno why u point this 20+ enchanted skills when each + on skill give +1 attribut point +20= 20 more attribut points that all not that i have soething agenst dagger just to point what mean enchant on elemental attack :P
as for m4jer dude realy 45% reduce critical 30% counter critical 30% cop elemental protection elemental song each part on armro only difrent attribut is damn hign enogu to not get higher then 600-900 dmg per backstap
p/s: yoshi company hit the weekest ppl and killing them fast {weekes means: not proper buffed } so evan good buffed when left alone is dead and mostly they stay out of siage zones where ppl trying to catch his party inside siage zone what`s mean few buffs so ofc they hit hard to be real dagger skills on full buff are realy lame low dmg give a simple test u will know stop with this sh1t crap nerf this nerf that. cheers...
Gideon, check pm pls!
@phonex, it's not about dmg they give me! It's about the dmg i give them!
I hit u alot harder but ALOT harder then i hit them... why is that?? can't u buff urself?
Sof, ud, vengeance, song of windstorm, dance of blade storm don't last for ever.... and even 10-15 ppl on them for alot longuer those buffs could ever last dmg remains low....and they don't go down!
Stop ur flames for one second and lets be adults here. This is normal? 2pt's 3pt's hitting them and they don't die??
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 12:40:53 AM
Gideon, check pm pls!
@phonex, it's not about dmg they give me! It's about the dmg i give them!
I hit u alot harder but ALOT harder then i hit them... why is that?? can't u buff urself?
simple as it is heavy armor mastery +enchant on him 45% +deflect arrow ,cop , windstorm, counter critical good p.def {some of them use shild} so give brake and i bet u did not have cat buff 99% sure
m4jer try get cat buff and 1 kamael with real target with u in party i bet u will like it ur dmg
p.s: did i force u today to start use mental shild? so each uff have benefit :)))
Quote from: Kastro on April 02, 2012, 12:40:30 AM
donno why u point this 20+ enchanted skills when each + on skill give +1 attribut point +20= 20 more attribut points that all not that i have soething agenst dagger just to point what mean enchant on elemental attack :P
as for m4jer dude realy 45% reduce critical 30% counter critical 30% cop elemental protection elemental song each part on armro only difrent attribut is damn hign enogu to not get higher then 600-900 dmg per backstap
p/s: yoshi company hit the weekest ppl and killing them fast {weekes means: not proper buffed } so evan good buffed when left alone is dead and mostly they stay out of siage zones where ppl trying to catch his party inside siage zone what`s mean few buffs so ofc they hit hard to be real dagger skills on full buff are realy lame low dmg give a simple test u will know stop with this sh1t crap nerf this nerf that. cheers...
well i have nothing against m4djer, and we already are nerfed in daggers, now if u read what gm said, they are not even with cov, and daggers are not OP, im tank/dagger i had pvp vs yoshimo and revell lots of times, some times i win some times i lose, same when i play vs other classes, even akaneII from WP tryied to kill me today and i was not even buffed, he hited me hard but i manage my self to reach the castle, what i mean is that u need to learn to play each char, if u are archer then hit and run, if u are mage hit and run, if u are close range class then hit and dont run.
About other sh!ts, some tank classes have skills like judgment that reduces crit -30% and -20 pts to close range weapons, so plz dont tell me that OP sh!ts, now if he is well buffed he will never receive judge damage, his char is not good equiped and buffed, and i know that cuz i hit mage/tank for max 2k, so plz dont try to fuk us more
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 12:40:53 AM
Gideon, check pm pls!
@phonex, it's not about dmg they give me! It's about the dmg i give them!
I hit u alot harder but ALOT harder then i hit them... why is that?? can't u buff urself?
Sof, ud, vengeance, song of windstorm, dance of blade storm don't last for ever.... and even 10-15 ppl on them for alot longuer those buffs could ever last dmg remains low....and they don't go down!
Stop ur flames for one second and lets be adults here. This is normal? 2pt's 3pt's hitting them and they don't die??
actually i wasnt never talking about u xD i was talking about the guy who started topic and QQ about daggers :D
and +1 for kastro he is right about refelct arrow, skills and more, actually we always use kama too on party cuz if we dont use one, archers hit damn weak.
Quote from: Phonex on April 02, 2012, 12:48:46 AM
im tank/dagger i had pvp vs yoshimo and revell lots of times, some times i win some times i lose, same when i play vs other classes, even akaneII from WP tryied to kill me today and i was not even buffed, he hited me hard but i manage my self to reach the castle,
You made me laugh with that part...
How are dagger classes nerfed? I'm curious...
And how do you expect mages to run from dagger classes?
Quote from: Phonex on April 02, 2012, 12:48:46 AM
well i have nothing against m4djer, and we already are nerfed in daggers, now if u read what gm said, they are not even with cov, and daggers are not OP, im tank/dagger i had pvp vs yoshimo and revell lots of times, some times i win some times i lose, same when i play vs other classes, even akaneII from WP tryied to kill me today and i was not even buffed, he hited me hard but i manage my self to reach the castle, what i mean is that u need to learn to play each char, if u are archer then hit and run, if u are mage hit and run, if u are close range class then hit and dont run.
About other sh!ts, some tank classes have skills like judgment that reduces crit -30% and -20 pts to close range weapons, so plz dont tell me that OP sh!ts, now if he is well buffed he will never receive judge damage, his char is not good equiped and buffed, and i know that cuz i hit mage/tank for max 2k, so plz dont try to fuk us more
m4jer was playing sr/tk now went on he/pal not so big difrent just 1k more p.atack and pal w.o cubics as for good def chars are realy awesome bouth of them dmg from archers is at all low in GF coz of alot decriseing critical buffs and heavy armor mastery working for the first time in our server so each char who hiting tank what his dmg is based on citical power his dmg suxs on tanks so logical so simple to be undestand it ... but like allways somone must spam forum to not be forbiden :)
Hiting for 128 crit dmg with 6.2k patk?? Hit an run?? LOl rly LOL
Phonex I would be rly happy if i could hit them for 800-900 dmg trust me.
Hiting the same person for 300dmg (after his sws (song of windstorm/ dance of bladesorm etc are over) with ic/f+15 while having 9k patk? hit and run??
Have it your way!
@Dule, bro, i know u'r skilled and u surly know more than me but regarding mentalshield u teached me nothing, i had just arrived and had no ppbuffs yet...
Just to be sure one more time, for gm's. Problem was not the dmg they gave me but the dmg we gave them!
I wish the other ppl would post here aswell but they're telling me ppl's stupidity overcomes any logic... So i will take the smartest action and stop this bs!
GG
+small edit to dule, if i switch to sword (almost 4k patk) dmg goes down from 300dmg to 200dmg, so problem is not just deflect arrow imo.
Quote from: Corpsse on April 02, 2012, 12:55:19 AM
You made me laugh with that part...
How are dagger classes nerfed? I'm curious...
And how do you expect mages to run from dagger classes?
use ur feet to run xD, and yes daggers are bit nerfed, check old updates and ull see. ppl complain about OP critical power and critical chance, then we got nerfed, they they complain about cancel, then about stun, and u know what happened to those skills.
So plz dont laugh if u cant even stand 10 sec in pvp. :o
Quote from: Corpsse on April 02, 2012, 12:55:19 AM
You made me laugh with that part...
How are dagger classes nerfed? I'm curious...
And how do you expect mages to run from dagger classes?
how dagger got herf lets start .... bluff is not shock attack anymore , switch ,trick same all MEN based wich mean 1 mental shild bb of this skills 2nd focus power is not dealing full power is 20-30 % less ... light armor users gethign more dmg on higher evasion is no more good set up for dagger ... need more??
how mage can run from dagger?? let see do u have any outher skills from mage on ur bars or only attack magic? stuns slows root mana burn cancel doom anchor did i miss something?
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 12:59:38 AM
Hiting for 128 crit dmg with 6.2k patk?? Hit an run?? LOl rly LOL
Phonex I would be rly happy if i could hit them for 800-900 dmg trust me.
Hiting the same person for 300dmg (after his sws (song of windstorm/ dance of bladesorm etc are over) with ic/f+15 while having 9k patk? hit and run??
Have it your way!
@Dule, bro, i know u'r skilled and u surly know more than me but regarding mentalshield u teached me nothing, i had just arrived and had no ppbuffs yet...
Just to be sure one more time, for gm's. Problem was not the dmg they gave me but the dmg we gave them!
I wish the other ppl would post here aswell but they're telling me ppl's stupidity overcomes any logic... So i will take the smartest action and stop this bs!
GG
fuka u need to read first post xD haha its cuz topic was about nerf dagger, not about the damage u do on them xD thats why the complain started :P, after that u changed the theme adding the damage you did to them xD thats why all this sh!t got confused :D
Okay, more ppl where there, agree about this, sadly they don't rly post here (for obvious reasons) but more screens will go to gideon and Track...
Better ones ofc...
As for me, i told Track what i would do and i stick to it.
Cya guys!
GG
even i, paper! (Bp/wk) dagger arent a big problem, they are fine at my point of view, ask tristan, even ravell from temp isant big deal, ofc yoshi is stronger dagger atm and his dmg is huge, but just because shock blast + backstab plus from sub...
without yoshimo i would say i can deal with any othe dagger in server, i dont think they have focked up dmg, they are pretty fine , u just dont have to be noob, and got good buffs and not miss the attr of the enemy weapon on ur set ^^
Dont touch daggers, work on more important things, like enchant robe mastery, smart cube, shirts , and so on, there are several things not working as should, dont touch what is "Ok"
Quote from: Di on April 02, 2012, 04:32:01 AM
even i, paper! (Bp/wk) dagger arent a big problem, they are fine at my point of view, ask tristan, even ravell from temp isant big deal, ofc yoshi is stronger dagger atm and his dmg is huge, but just because shock blast + backstab plus from sub...
without yoshimo i would say i can deal with any othe dagger in server, i dont think they have focked up dmg, they are pretty fine , u just dont have to be noob, and got good buffs and not miss the attr of the enemy weapon on ur set ^^
Dont touch daggers, work on more important things, like enchant robe mastery, smart cube, shirts , and so on, there are several things not working as should, dont touch what is "Ok"
+1 we have more importand problems then Yoshi hit and run tactic.
Just a comepnt regardin runing mages...with yoshi it's not the smartest move to turn back and run and sadly since my LS changed it's no longer fun to fight charging dagers :)
Quote from: Corpsse on April 02, 2012, 12:55:19 AM
You made me laugh with that part...
How are dagger classes nerfed? I'm curious...
And how do you expect mages to run from dagger classes?
Mages already run faster, or equally fast as daggers (250 speed cap). On my th, with all speed buffs (except zerk and the yellow haste potion), I don't have 250 speed.
How are we nerfed? For example, focus power and focus death was one of the first things that got herfed at last summer. Just like after IL update, daggers were the classes as they are on retail (huge dmg stabs, if they land), so they got nerfed like shit.
Oh and I didn't insult you YET, believe me. U just piss me off in great lenghts. Sometimes I get HUGE dmg inspite of my gear and buffs, yet I never cry for a nerf, not even those classes who never really got nerfed (hello sps/ee-s). I find a way to kill them, simple as that, I adjust. You should do that too.
My dmg on some daggers (ofc dagger/tank) while having around 9k p attack is like 120/150 with normal arrows (full buffed ofc) and them too ofc :P
Quote from: Corpsse on April 01, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
In my honest oppinion dagger classes should be nerfed atleast a bit. They are obviously OP when combined with tanks/wl on GF.
I don't even need to bring pics, you can look at the server and notice there are atleast 1/3 of the whole community playing dagger/tank classes.
I have no chance of killing a dagger/tank class with lower equipment than me. It's simply hide, back stab for around 3k, lethal, shadow step, backstab again and boom.
I know it's hard to balance all the classes since it's a substack server that's why i didn't say nerf them big time. Just decrease the power of their skills a bit and the half-kill, lethal rate.
So at the end the all wanted to be like the legendary brokie :) and alex ofc
^^
I pointed out what the flaws are in my own oppinion, i never saw mages reaching TH speed and slow skills rarely land (atleast sps slow skills). I'm not going to continue posting on this topic since i said everything i had to say. It's up to GMs to check classes and see if there's something wrong with them, and fix them if they want. Good luck and have fun ingame!
Cheers.
Quote from: TiagoRamos on April 02, 2012, 11:39:09 AM
My dmg on some daggers (ofc dagger/tank) while having around 9k p attack is like 120/150 with normal arrows (full buffed ofc) and them too ofc :P
i hit yesterday siege yoshi 1.4 k , and my clan mate 3k dmg .... and i am biggest noob on server ... anywey he kill me with 2 blows :D (sps/ee class)
Yoshi uses shield but doesnt have deflect arrow etc.. I mean damage on yoshi is not high, but hes not dagger/tank :P
btw i also hit mage/tank for 150 normal arrows and like 400-500 crit (with 9k p attack full buffed :P )
Quote from: TiagoRamos on April 02, 2012, 11:39:09 AM
My dmg on some daggers (ofc dagger/tank) while having around 9k p attack is like 120/150 with normal arrows (full buffed ofc) and them too ofc :P
Ohhh!!! wait!! did i read right?? Some1 actualy understoo what i meaned?? Oh and look he's CB!! Be rdy to get flamed at Tiago...
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 01:34:35 PM
Ohhh!!! wait!! did i read right?? Some1 actualy understoo what i meaned?? Oh and look he's CB!! Be rdy to get flamed at Tiago...
And u only see what you want to see. Otherwilse:
Quote from: cerebelo on April 02, 2012, 01:31:01 PM
i hit yesterday siege yoshi 1.4 k , and my clan mate 3k dmg .... and i am biggest noob on server ... anywey he kill me with 2 blows :D (sps/ee class)
So lets see... you are an archer, you hit low, there is a mage, he hits high. Can you do a simple 1+1 math?
That proves nothing batman. Me to i've hit yoshi for 2k dmg....usualy in siges in which there's a possiblility of gm presence!
It's when i hit him for 500dmg (he has like 17k hp+7k cp +/- no?) on other ocasions that bothers me...
Revell to, and like i saw yday in oren siege seems even sr/tk's (cr3ative) now only get hited for 150-200dmg.... damn i should have sticked to mine... maybe something's changed!
Stop acting smart ass, or do u frequent max che ters.com too?
+just small edit, perhaps ur calling ur clanmate a lier to?? i know u have hisory of disrespecting clanmates but... chill pls. Rastabuffor has vesper+bow+12 + all top equipment wich prolly costed him alotof money! And at least him had the balls to speak up!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
That proves nothing batman. Me to i've hit yoshi for 2k dmg....usualy in siges in which there's a possiblility of gm presence!
It's when i hit him for 500dmg (he has like 17k hp+7k cp +/- no?) on other ocasions that bothers me...
Revell to, and like i saw yday in oren siege seems even sr/tk's (cr3ative) now only get hited for 150-200dmg.... damn i should have sticked to mine... maybe somethings changed!
Stop acting smart ass, or do u frequent max che ters.com too?
I have nothing to hide. I don't defent yoshi or revell. I kick stupid people in the face who acts smart despite having NO CLUE what he is talking about, and too stubborn to admit any other outcome if someone is better than him, than HAX/CHEAT. Yes, I described you, whining moron.
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
That proves nothing batman. Me to i've hit yoshi for 2k dmg....usualy in siges in which there's a possiblility of gm presence!
It's when i hit him for 500dmg (he has like 17k hp+7k cp +/- no?) on other ocasions that bothers me...
Revell to, and like i saw yday in oren siege seems even sr/tk's (cr3ative) now only get hited for 150-200dmg.... damn i should have sticked to mine... maybe something's changed!
Stop acting smart ass, or do u frequent max che ters.com too?
+just small edit, perhaps ur calling ur clanmate a lier to?? i know u have hisory of disrespecting clanmates but... chill pls. Rastabuffor has vesper+bow+12 + all top equipment wich prolly costed him alotof money! And at least him had the balls to speak up!
I won't even start to flame ur ass... no use! it's to fking easy...!
U can be sure only few post but alot agree! It's not a mather of being stubburn, it's a a mather of facts u retarded 40kg Shwartzenegger wanna be!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
That proves nothing batman. Me to i've hit yoshi for 2k dmg....usualy in siges in which there's a possiblility of gm presence!
It's when i hit him for 500dmg (he has like 17k hp+7k cp +/- no?) on other ocasions that bothers me...
Revell to, and like i saw yday in oren siege seems even sr/tk's (cr3ative) now only get hited for 150-200dmg.... damn i should have sticked to mine... maybe something's changed!
Stop acting smart ass, or do u frequent max che ters.com too?
+just small edit, perhaps ur calling ur clanmate a lier to?? i know u have hisory of disrespecting clanmates but... chill pls. Rastabuffor has vesper+bow+12 + all top equipment wich prolly costed him alotof money! And at least him had the balls to speak up!
Re biggest flamer here, yday on siege at start when we first fought with each otheri havent deflect arrow on tank (yes lol i have frapsed half of this action) and no dance/ counting songs
L8 when we all was full buff, u just got asskick'd so what u wanna prove? Sheva will always rox in small numbers =)
Want show screens with my enchants ? +10,10,10,11,15,15,16 ? im not so rich to got sklls +++ im using even dyna dagger rofl
BUT im experienced player with big knowledge and i know how my skills work, how increase my dmg and how be hard to kill
And also don't tell bullsh!t daggers hit hard, on well-buffed mages dmg is really low, even when i was on ne/bp with +3set 240x atr i was able to reach 2.6k pdef +/- 230-250 speed and i got 800 blows ...
Just learn to play and stop complaining about nerfed class already, same like i want to nerf mages a bit but its not such a big thing (only top-geared do hard dmg)
Kep on telling me story's, keep on lowering yourself and helping me...
It's no about the dmg u make it's about the dmg u recieve! Tell u what, send me, or Track or gideon ur stats with date on it so that i'm sure u didn't used exploit to have more p.def!
Just like Mark and company used to stack augments...! Do it pls. I dare u!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 02:27:56 PM
Kep on telling me story's, keep on lowering yourself and helping me...
It's no about the dmg u make it's about the dmg u recieve! Tell u what, send me, or Track or gideon ur stats with date on it so that i'm sure u didn't used exploit to have more p.def!
Just like Mark and company used to stack augments...! Do it pls. I dare u!
Why can't u just accept the fact that u suck at this game??? Instead of pointing fingers to the whole freaking community, look at yourself and be honest.....
L2 isnt the game for you, perhaps your better at counterstrike or need for speed :P who knows, but stop blaiming other ppl for your non-talent!
peace
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 01:51:38 PM
I won't even start to flame ur ass... no use! it's to fking easy...!
U can be sure only few post but alot agree! It's not a mather of being stubburn, it's a a mather of facts u retarded 40kg Shwartzenegger wanna be!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 01:51:38 PM
U can be sure only few post but alot agree! It's not a mather of being stubburn, it's a a mather of facts u retarded 40kg Shwartzenegger wanna be!
This is exactly whats your word is worth. Absolutely NOTHING ;) So if I put out a picture of something, I want to be that? You retarded 80kg zombie-like goth compost shit :-*
You can't even write properly. It's Schwarzenegger, you uneducated trash. :)
Quote from: Tinus on April 02, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
Why can't u just accept the fact that u suck at this game??? Instead of pointing fingers to the whole freaking community, look at yourself and be honest.....
L2 isnt the game for you, perhaps your better at counterstrike or need for speed :P who knows, but stop blaiming other ppl for your non-talent!
peace
Thank you, this is exactly what we (me + some cb) wanted to make him realize. Without success, tho.
Please Madjer dont try to make problems between me and my clan mates... Everything is ok.
And I think every1 knows the damage that an archer with top gear and full buff does to a mage/tank or dagger/tank with full buffs and good equip. And that would be 100-200 normal arrows and 400-500 crit arrows.
There is nothing to hide...
Thats the dmg i do to Revell for example (awesome player, rly good char and skill) On the other hand, my dmg to Blackmane is ok...
we just have to face the fact that archers will never kill those chars
Wanna pics so they are:
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4513/shot00416.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/shot00416.jpg/)
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9782/shot00415b.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/shot00415b.jpg/)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6595/shot00414u.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/shot00414u.jpg/)
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3999/statsnxf.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/statsnxf.png/)
Stats (buffed only for def not else buffs, w/o dances etc)
I not trying to creat problems between u and ur clan mates, omg are u that dumb? Stop acting retard (i know u are a littlebit) and don't give another meaning to my words... i don't give a flying fuk about u and ur clan! Even i find u r not that hard to kill. I used to think u made alot of dmg for a while but it's easely explained buy dark weapon+30, dark atribute on weap and RT from ur kamael, so... don't turn this into a personal vendetta against cb cause i don't give a fuk about u!
Btw: Hehe Batman..seems i hit a nerv with that shwarzenegger thingy huh? :D
So now, RASTABUFFOR why sudenly u are changing ur speach saying all is fine??
i'm talking to kids here! So if U (like i do) deal dmg of 400-500 crits (not that hig) to dagger/tanks (only some imo) and to mage/tanks (u complain about those not me) then whats the purpuse of ur glowing bow and ur 9k patk?? Cause nowadays the only chars in pvp wich are not tank subed are wc/ol's... u kill those??
Okay tell u what, if u wanna keep up your stupid lies go ahead!
Blackmane gets around (800-900 dmg) - yoshi usualy when he's not under control gets (500) - revell gets 300 dmg with bow, even less with sword, ofc sword is lowest enchanted only +10 so... unless i hit them with my ding dong.. i dunno!
What it seems it's not that i'm a noob, but that ths server is full of hipocryts and liers!
Hell i have screen of ppl treatning to leave and some did cause of the dmg they gave to those 2 and all is fine??
U know what? Fuk u, fuk u very much!!
ps: If i was into conspiration theory's i would say i've uncovered somthing our forum trolls are feeding of from...
Stop talking to me plz, I made my point already...
Everything is ok between me and clanmates, clanmates and me.
btw nice p def Revell :p
Thx revell! So don't u think ur pdef is a little higher than normal?
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 03:04:53 PM
Thx revell! So don't u think ur pdef is a little higher than normal?
Nope its quite fine, but it last only when im sure i will fight vs archer/fighters when i dont know i have around 4k pdef , 4k mdef, hmm learn to buff?
ps: imagine if i'd be th/pala with majesty +30 and ai, around 8-9k pdef?
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 03:00:54 PM
Blackmane gets around (800-900 dmg) - yoshi usualy when he's not under control gets (500) - revell gets 300 dmg with bow, even less with sword, ofc sword is lowest enchanted only +10 so... unless i hit them with my ding dong.. i dunno!
Congratulations, you hit a pp subbed dagger for 900 dmg. Judging by your gear, you suck ass. I get bigger dmg from lower equipped aods.
You proved by your comments, that you are just a sorry ass whiner, who desperately feels in need of attention, and wants to get it by any means (your intellectuality failed so you try to flame, means it really doesn't matter how you get attention, as log as you get it).
Your arguing leads to nothing, you are too narrow minded and stubborn to accept simple facts, to you, no one can be equal or better than you. You have issues with cb, because we couldn't stand your personality, so you try to alter the past to make it in your favor. You are a narcissistic egoist who just want to own everyone ingame, in forum, in everything., but doesn't have what it takes to do it, making you a raging infant.
Before you joined cb, I really though you are a decent person. Too bad this is how I had to find out about your true personality.
When I'll log, I'll go and have my fun ingame with some people that actually likes me (or at least tolerates me), while you will stick with people who could accept you like a stray dog. As Felissin stated before, you was, are, and will be just an annoying non factor in this place, whether you accept it or not.
I already gave you too much attention than what you really deserve, so this was my last post to you in this topic. Have fun with your fantasy arguments and facts.
Oh yes, unlike you, I WILL keep my word :-*
After reading some topics I can assume that Javardsnegger is INI-NM's main cryer. Anybody else to add to list of argument-resistant creatures? :D
Quote from: Blizzer on April 02, 2012, 04:11:32 PM
After reading some topics I can assume that Javardsnegger is INI-NM's main cryer. Anybody else to add to list of argument-resistant creatures? :D
check some topics :D
Quote from: PvtStuka on April 02, 2012, 03:19:32 PM
Congratulations, you hit a pp subbed dagger for 900 dmg. Judging by your gear, you suck ass. I get bigger dmg from lower equipped aods.
You proved by your comments, that you are just a sorry ass whiner, who desperately feels in need of attention, and wants to get it by any means (your intellectuality failed so you try to flame, means it really doesn't matter how you get attention, as log as you get it).
Your arguing leads to nothing, you are too narrow minded and stubborn to accept simple facts, to you, no one can be equal or better than you. You have issues with cb, because we couldn't stand your personality, so you try to alter the past to make it in your favor. You are a narcissistic egoist who just want to own everyone ingame, in forum, in everything., but doesn't have what it takes to do it, making you a raging infant.
Before you joined cb, I really though you are a decent person. Too bad this is how I had to find out about your true personality.
When I'll log, I'll go and have my fun ingame with some people that actually likes me (or at least tolerates me), while you will stick with people who could accept you like a stray dog. As Felissin stated before, you was, are, and will be just an annoying non factor in this place, whether you accept it or not.
I already gave you too much attention than what you really deserve, so this was my last post to you in this topic. Have fun with your fantasy arguments and facts.
Oh yes, unlike you, I WILL keep my word :-*
big +1 to that haha
Quote from: Peorexo on April 02, 2012, 03:05:30 PM
ps: imagine if i'd be th/pala with majesty +30 and ai, around 8-9k pdef?
(http://oi42.tinypic.com/8z1hyq.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo on April 02, 2012, 04:22:08 PM
(http://oi42.tinypic.com/8z1hyq.jpg)
(http://i2.pinger.pl/pgr373/a6635fa4001a21994f2dbc88)
show stats with buffs or didnt happen voo :P
Quote from: TiagoRamos on April 02, 2012, 05:42:51 PM
show stats with buffs or didnt happen voo :P
It's nothing special, wc/ol buffs with earth+warding songs in vesper +3. Possible to reach more with good enchated sps/sorc buff.
can i ask what noob cry now about dagers??:P
rly dagers have low dmg if someone know how buff ask CB or some of AOD
rly pls nick of that ta... I stab him in game
Quote from: violetpl on April 02, 2012, 06:11:58 PM
can i ask what noob cry now about dagers??:P
rly dagers have low dmg if someone know how buff ask CB or some of AOD
rly pls nick of that ta... I stab him in game
i dont get it too, flames cuz some bunch of naabz couldnt zerg enough :P
Quote from: Blizzer on April 02, 2012, 04:11:32 PM
After reading some topics I can assume that Javardsnegger is INI-NM's main cryer. Anybody else to add to list of argument-resistant creatures? :D
Nope i don't think so. U'll see what i'm talking about in less than 1 month i guess!!
@the rest of my admirators, maybe post complete screens no? with buffs etc... u can hide ur bars, p atk's, w/e but at least have some deacency and coherence.
I'm alrdy 90% sure there was (or still is) an exploit wich increases pdef.
Same as there was one wich alowed one to stack augments, wich we all had proofs not long ago it was used... but as u tryed to make ppl belive track did special favours...
But anyway, keep on having fun in a server in wich 2 guys (one of them not even tank subed) can roll even tho 20 ppl are hiting them...
again for the more stuborn ones: ai, sws, dbs, sof, ud, vg, what ever don't last 20min or more... last time i checked!
Just for batman: tbh i'm glad ur kind doesn't like me... guess what, most of the server doesn't like u 2 and ur still here ;)
I just keeped posting untill now cause of some enraged retards are jumping on my troath cause they think i'm after some kind of nerf or smthg, i'm not! I'm more then convinced this is an
exploit!
And for last time, just to be sure and to not having any confusions here: It's not just about the dmg they deal, it's about dmg dealed and recieved ratio...!
This was last time, i'm pretty sure any1 with deacent iq alrdy understood what i'm trying to explain.
Leaving topic for the vultures now... ;)
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
Nope i don't think so. U'll see what i'm talking about in less than 1 month i guess!!
@the rest of my admirators, maybe post complete screens no? with buffs etc... u can hide ur bars, p atk's, w/e but at least have some deacency and coherence.
I'm alrdy 90% sure there was (or still is) an exploit wich increases pdef.
Same as there was one wich alowed one to stack augments, wich we all had proofs not long ago it was used... but as u tryed to make ppl belive track did special favours...
But anyway, keep on having fun in a server in wich 2 guys (one of them not even tank subed) can roll even tho 20 ppl are hiting them...
again for the more stuborn ones: ai, sws, dbs, sof, ud, vg, what ever don't last 20min or more... last time i checked!
Just for batman: tbh i'm glad ur kind doesn't like me... guess what, most of the server doesn't like u 2 and ur still here ;)
I just keeped posting untill now cause of some enraged retards are jumping on my troath cause they think i'm after some kind of nerf or smthg, i'm not! I'm more then convinced this is an exploit!
And for last time, just to be sure and to not having any confusions here: It's not just about the dmg they deal, it's about dmg dealed and recieved ratio...!
This was last time, i'm pretty sure any1 with deacent iq alrdy understood what i'm trying to explain.
Leaving topic for the vultures now... ;)
There is exploit becouse ur moron and cant reach that stats what other 99% server can? start thinking
leave daggers alone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT OP FOR SURE ...
DONT KILL ANOTHER CLASS PLZZZZZ
and yes , im not playing any dagger ;)
Nerf daggers!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 03:00:54 PM
I not trying to creat problems between u and ur clan mates, omg are u that dumb? Stop acting retard (i know u are a littlebit) and don't give another meaning to my words... i don't give a flying fuk about u and ur clan! Even i find u r not that hard to kill. I used to think u made alot of dmg for a while but it's easely explained buy dark weapon+30, dark atribute on weap and RT from ur kamael, so... don't turn this into a personal vendetta against cb cause i don't give a fuk about u!
Btw: Hehe Batman..seems i hit a nerv with that shwarzenegger thingy huh? :D
So now, RASTABUFFOR why sudenly u are changing ur speach saying all is fine??
i'm talking to kids here! So if U (like i do) deal dmg of 400-500 crits (not that hig) to dagger/tanks (only some imo) and to mage/tanks (u complain about those not me) then whats the purpuse of ur glowing bow and ur 9k patk?? Cause nowadays the only chars in pvp wich are not tank subed are wc/ol's... u kill those??
Okay tell u what, if u wanna keep up your stupid lies go ahead!
Blackmane gets around (800-900 dmg) - yoshi usualy when he's not under control gets (500) - revell gets 300 dmg with bow, even less with sword, ofc sword is lowest enchanted only +10 so... unless i hit them with my ding dong.. i dunno!
What it seems it's not that i'm a noob, but that ths server is full of hipocryts and liers!
Hell i have screen of ppl treatning to leave and some did cause of the dmg they gave to those 2 and all is fine??
U know what? Fuk u, fuk u very much!!
ps: If i was into conspiration theory's i would say i've uncovered somthing our forum trolls are feeding of from...
I'd say that I see also sh/bd, ee/sws, sps/ee, ne/bp, sh/ps, sh/se (I'm talking about mages only coz I play with them in pt :P )
And they say right - daggers are fine as they are now, if you don't have attr vs daggegr - don't cry he hit you hard, coz even glad can hit you hard if you lack his attr in set ;) and about hits to them - well, they can have 1 weak attr vs them, and rest have maxed. And if you can't kill them - don't cry that they are OP lol, just learn a way to kill them, debuff or cooperate with pt members
PS: Revell nice pdef/mdef :D now I know why vortex can't land :D
Quote from: eagleye on April 02, 2012, 08:37:53 PM
I'd say that I see also sh/bd, ee/sws, sps/ee, ne/bp, sh/ps, sh/se (I'm talking about mages only coz I play with them in pt :P )
And they say right - daggers are fine as they are now, if you don't have attr vs daggegr - don't cry he hit you hard, coz even glad can hit you hard if you lack his attr in set ;) and about hits to them - well, they can have 1 weak attr vs them, and rest have maxed. And if you can't kill them - don't cry that they are OP lol, just learn a way to kill them, debuff or cooperate with pt members
PS: Revell nice pdef/mdef :D now I know why vortex can't land :D
its pdef buff, mdef i reach 3.7k on sieges, and 3.1k pvp :P
i can say that dagers are more than nerfed now exept the good dmg from yoshimo i dont get more than 450 dmg from any other dagger on my wc/ol so dont qq for nerfing them
Quote from: Crazzyyhuhuh on April 02, 2012, 09:05:10 PM
i can say that dagers are more than nerfed now exept the good dmg from yoshimo i dont get more than 450 dmg from any other dagger on my wc/ol so dont qq for nerfing them
Damn and is not tank ..... w8thing for next replay of m4jer prorobly will say crazyyhuhuh cheeting to :)
p.s: close this topic i think we read it enough crap
Quote from: FeelmyBow on April 02, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
Nerf daggers!
bump bump xD
they hit my pony like 10k :O
nerf daggers or bust pets :P
Quote from: Crazzyyhuhuh on April 02, 2012, 09:05:10 PM
i can say that dagers are more than nerfed now exept the good dmg from yoshimo i dont get more than 450 dmg from any other dagger on my wc/ol so dont qq for nerfing them
Gimme some gear, a dagger char and buff bots and ill top that shit.
Quote from: FeelmyBow on April 02, 2012, 10:02:41 PM
Gimme some gear, a dagger char and buff bots and ill top that shit.
;D
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 03:00:54 PM
ICause nowadays the only chars in pvp wich are not tank subed are wc/ol's... u kill those??
U forget glady\pp pew pew :D , and some other brave DD\Buffers :D
pew pew ) ) ) ) ) ))))) ) ) ) ) ) )))))) ) )
At first i thought daggers where too OP, now I see them as a very dangerous class but it all depends on the person behind the char. OFC dagger/tank is the biggest pain in the ass, LOOK AT THEM with pointy weapons and big armors !!!
Regarding tanks, IMO its bad that some chars that should have enchantable heavy mastery dont, only tanks do, while some other classes are supposed to, not for critical reduction ofc (tank perk only). This broadens the diference between dagger/tank and some other classes, but still...it all comes down to the person behind the char + your buffs vs enemy buffs.
Quote from: TiagoRamos on April 02, 2012, 03:04:33 PM
Stop talking to me plz, I made my point already...
Everything is ok between me and clanmates, clanmates and me.
btw nice p def Revell :p
No its not, i challenge you to a pew pew!
there are 2 stupid changes about th/pal in dragon server
1: majesty penalty
2: phisical mirror penalty
great ask to GM not to allow this to stay ... why i should pay extra for my skills
dagger / tanks are not OP, you need to know how to play it
dagger have a chance to kill you quickly, but there is a chance you will survive long time with him till end of his mana
tanks are to be hard to kill, is there something new about it?
Quote from: Hefestus on April 05, 2012, 12:43:02 PM
there are 2 stupid changes about th/pal in dragon server
1: majesty penalty
2: phisical mirror penalty
great ask to GM not to allow this to stay ... why i should pay extra for my skills
dagger / tanks are not OP, you need to know how to play it
dagger have a chance to kill you quickly, but there is a chance you will survive long time with him till end of his mana
tanks are to be hard to kill, is there something new about it?
pala's are op, 24/7 ai :P
ok i just wanna ask this going of topic how can Weezer hit me with 1.5 k mdef and 130 resi to dark full buff 4k with death spike( no gloom)
and a guy who has 2k mdef or more 250 dark full buff 4k deathspike(no Gloom)
.... :( so im sayin if mages kill tanks that easy :) and ye the stronger dude is a tank/xx i wont name
This server is unbalanced since daggers and Mages/tanks can remouve all their Str (since they only use skills witch are not based on p atk) and add Con (and dex dagger case), this way they can have huge p/defs and stand against XX ppl hitting them without dying, while all other classes can't lower any stat so much cause they need it!
Maybe make like b4, con should only give more cp/hp, hp regen and weight capacity! No p/def bonus...
My 50cents
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 06, 2012, 12:45:25 AM
This server is unbalanced since daggers and Mages/tanks can remouve all their Str (since they only use skills witch are not based on p atk) and add Con (and dex dagger case), this way they can have huge p/defs and stand against XX ppl hitting them without dying, while all other classes can't lower any stat so much cause they need it!
Maybe make like b4, con should only give more cp/hp, hp regen and weight capacity! No p/def bonus...
My 50cents
CON (CONSTITUTION)
affects maximum HP and CP through the CON modifier
affects HP recovery speed
affects weight limit
affects underwater breath gauge
affects shock (stun) resistance
affects bleeding resistance.
You know sh*t about L2... my 50 cents.
imo dagger's are ok, if u don't know how play that char u will make low damage, but ppls cry a lot about Yoshimo damage, nerf Yoshimo brain and maybe u will get less damage.
Quote from: TrackZero on April 01, 2012, 11:41:28 PM
Post screens here
Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 02, 2012, 12:05:31 AM
I'm not trying to kill server! exactly the oposite as a mather of fact... :-\
Quote from: TrackZero on April 02, 2012, 12:01:41 AM
Okey i will post screens then so we can all get screwed
No, i will.
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Quote from: Javardsnegger on April 06, 2012, 12:45:25 AM
This server is unbalanced since daggers and Mages/tanks can remouve all their Str (since they only use skills witch are not based on p atk) and add Con (and dex dagger case), this way they can have huge p/defs and stand against XX ppl hitting them without dying, while all other classes can't lower any stat so much cause they need it!
Maybe make like b4, con should only give more cp/hp, hp regen and weight capacity! No p/def bonus...
My 50cents
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Get off the Dagger bandwagon, they are fine as it is, just learn how to buff properly.
Quote from: Voodoo on April 06, 2012, 02:15:58 AM
CON (CONSTITUTION)
affects maximum HP and CP through the CON modifier
affects HP recovery speed
affects weight limit
affects underwater breath gauge
affects shock (stun) resistance
affects bleeding resistance.
You know sh*t about L2... my 50 cents.
ROFLMAO xDDDDDDD
Quote from: Voodoo on April 06, 2012, 02:15:58 AM
CON (CONSTITUTION)
affects maximum HP and CP through the CON modifier
affects HP recovery speed
affects weight limit
affects underwater breath gauge
affects shock (stun) resistance
affects bleeding resistance.
You know sh*t about L2... my 50 cents.
the awkward moment when your clan mate blame on the forum.