Do you know with COV+15, Powind+15 Powater+15 run speed is 290++ (all time)? And char w/o these buffs, its speed is only around 200-220. It is ridiculous to chase a player with 290 speed(all time).
What we are getting during pvp is hit-hit run heal...come back again hit-hit run heal... even with hp as high as Antharas, that player with slower speed will die in the end.
Dragon server has capped its run speed at 250, any particular reason why arena server speed is capped at 300? If we want to use Dragon server pvp/stats settings as benchmark, please use all of them because they actively test on every skill before they confirm the setting.
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 18, 2013, 01:51:30 PM
Do you know with COV+15, Powind+15 Powater+15 run speed is 290++ (all time)? And char w/o these buffs, its speed is only around 200-220. It is ridiculous to chase a player with 290 speed(all time).
What we are getting during pvp is hit-hit run heal...come back again hit-hit run heal... even with hp as high as Antharas, that player with slower speed will die in the end.
Dragon server has capped its run speed at 250, any particular reason why arena server speed is capped at 300? If we want to use Dragon server pvp/stats settings as benchmark, please use all of them because they actively test on every skill before they confirm the setting.
arena server have arena mask thats why its 300 i guess .. and +15cov etc. is normal that u will have big speed.. and is not hard to make a char with cov+15 ... u even no need GCM
It is not about making a char with cov+15, powind+15..in fact i have all these chars with cov+15 and powind+15. Its about balancing the pvp for all chars.
Arena mask only give 20speed, i dont see how 20speed can fit in the difference of 250 and 300(total 50 diff).
If char has 250 speed, and you use arena mask and tatoo emp ( 15% run speed ) you have almost 300 speed. So if on dragon there isn't same tattoo as on arena and mask, then it can be a reason why on arena is 300 speed ;D
In Dragon tatto's give +10% bonus, the emp one, and not-emp - 8%
i am trying to understand your computation. How do u get 250speed in the first place? with/without tatoo emp/a.mask?
Quote from: Gizmo on May 18, 2013, 04:25:38 PM
If char has 250 speed, and you use arena mask and tatoo emp ( 15% run speed ) you have almost 300 speed. So if on dragon there isn't same tattoo as on arena and mask, then it can be a reason why on arena is 300 speed ;D
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 18, 2013, 04:51:22 PM
i am trying to understand your computation. How do u get 250speed in the first place? with/without tatoo emp/a.mask?
omfg.. what is ur point !? .. if every1 have that 290speed or 300 that topic is w.o any sense.. if they will do 250 max, then u will no need a.mask. easy
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 18, 2013, 04:51:22 PM
i am trying to understand your computation. How do u get 250speed in the first place? with/without tatoo emp/a.mask?
Honestly I tested on my ty/wc (on rabbit totem). W/o mask and tatoo emp I had 251 speed, when i equipped those items I had: 298 speed. At first post you wrote: "It is ridiculous to chase a player with 290 speed(all time).", so it means those chars reach w/o mask and tatoo have almost 250, so why you are supprised that I had 250 speed?:D
yes this topic is about how ridiculous it is for a char (without cov+15, Powind+15,etc) that has 200-220 speed to chase a char like yours 298speed(all time). You dont need maths for this, u know its impossible to chase up.
Quote from: Gizmo on May 18, 2013, 05:32:25 PM
Honestly I tested on my ty/wc (on rabbit totem). W/o mask and tatoo emp I had 251 speed, when i equipped those items I had: 298 speed. At first post you wrote: "It is ridiculous to chase a player with 290 speed(all time).", so it means those chars reach w/o mask and tatoo have almost 250, so why you are supprised that I had 250 speed?:D
for those char without cov+15, powind+15, normal (all time speed) is 200-220, and u need skills like sprint(a few seconds) to reach 250. If the char with cov+15 is capped at 250 speed, the slower char has a chance to catch up for pvp. Instead of every char with cov+15/powind+15 act like Flash Gordon (298speed), hit hit run heal heal, come back hit hit run heal again... don't u find it stupid?
Quote from: Ath on May 18, 2013, 05:13:13 PM
omfg.. what is ur point !? .. if every1 have that 290speed or 300 that topic is w.o any sense.. if they will do 250 max, then u will no need a.mask. easy
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 18, 2013, 07:20:27 PM
for those char without cov+15, powind+15, normal (all time speed) is 200-220, and u need skills like sprint(a few seconds) to reach 250. If the char with cov+15 is capped at 250 speed, the slower char has a chance to catch up for pvp. Instead of every char with cov+15/powind+15 act like Flash Gordon (298speed), hit hit run heal heal, come back hit hit run heal again... don't u find it stupid?
look.. 200-220 its same like all stay at 250 and on dash for example 290 .. so u can even have 1000 speed if every1 have all the time this speed, and only on dash have more, its normal
b4 archers also do hit run hit run hit run.. with 200 speed =))
Dash+220=250, u still cannot have more than 298.
'its normal b4'= u mean in Gracia? In Gracia nobody run all time 298 except mabbe kamael.
It is advisable that u go pvp nowadays and get a good idea what is happening.
Quote from: Ath on May 18, 2013, 08:11:23 PM
look.. 200-220 its same like all stay at 250 and on dash for example 290 .. so u can even have 1000 speed if every1 have all the time this speed, and only on dash have more, its normal
b4 archers also do hit run hit run hit run.. with 200 speed =))
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 19, 2013, 04:06:17 AM
Dash+220=250, u still cannot have more than 298.
'its normal b4'= u mean in Gracia? In Gracia nobody run all time 298 except mabbe kamael.
It is advisable that u go pvp nowadays and get a good idea what is happening.
i didint say that b4 u had that 298 .. and now who have 298?? orc on rabbit tottem?? its normal this add 33speed if i good remember? so its normal he will be faster than ur glad... but if they do pvp with rabbit gl then..
and u not get my point, now every1 have almost 250 speed, im right? .. so now only mages are freaked cause b4 (on gracia) mages had 250, only warriors didint... anyway if u (i mean every1) goin to pvp on buffed on full speed.. gl then (i can understand only archers and daggers) i on sps/tk almost never had buff for speed, isnt better is take 2x more ressist??
is it so hard to make a wc and enchant CoV to+15? why qq?
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 18, 2013, 01:51:30 PM
Do you know with COV+15, Powind+15 Powater+15 run speed is 290++ (all time)? And char w/o these buffs, its speed is only around 200-220. It is ridiculous to chase a player with 290 speed(all time).
What we are getting during pvp is hit-hit run heal...come back again hit-hit run heal... even with hp as high as Antharas, that player with slower speed will die in the end.
Dragon server has capped its run speed at 250, any particular reason why arena server speed is capped at 300? If we want to use Dragon server pvp/stats settings as benchmark, please use all of them because they actively test on every skill before they confirm the setting.
its a lie, 249 speed on normal buffs with pow+15
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 19, 2013, 04:06:17 AM
Dash+220=250, u still cannot have more than 298.
'its normal b4'= u mean in Gracia? In Gracia nobody run all time 298 except mabbe kamael.
It is advisable that u go pvp nowadays and get a good idea what is happening.
2nd lie, tried with tyr/th and always had 300, i dont remember if there was a speed limit cap
back at hb, on rabbit you had 305 speed, no cap were enabled
omg now u talking about retail? ye, try more ty/windrider, ty/ghosthunter...
Totally agree with the saying "empty can makes louder noise".
Quote from: sixyPro on May 19, 2013, 12:28:11 PM
2nd lie, tried with tyr/th and always had 300, i dont remember if there was a speed limit cap
just make a char with cov/pof/pow +15 and buff yourself. problem solved.
Quote from: 2sixy on May 19, 2013, 07:31:26 PM
just make a char with cov/pof/pow +15 and buff yourself. problem solved.
i already said it.. but he still QQ
this topic, again, is about balancing pvp for ALL chars.
Your opinion only advise everybody to make subclass shilen elder, warcryer, ee.
I already said i have chars with cov+15, Powind+15,POF+15 but these are only 4min buff. You can't just run to pve with only 4min buff unless you have ty/wc to support you together in pve...everytime.
Whatever you both suggested clearly shows your experience in pvp.
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 20, 2013, 04:20:44 AM
this topic, again, is about balancing pvp for ALL chars.
Your opinion only advise everybody to make subclass shilen elder, warcryer, ee.
I already said i have chars with cov+15, Powind+15,POF+15 but these are only 4min buff. You can't just run to pve with only 4min buff unless you have ty/wc to support you together in pve...everytime.
Whatever you both suggested clearly shows your experience in pvp.
if i can say something, u can only go outside, when u have FI+AI ready
also when its opened, u have max speed cap, what about u crying, lamedude?
and again, this topic is comparing 'all time speed'. learn to read pls. A for apple, B for boy, C for chinese babe.
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 20, 2013, 11:29:23 AM
and again, this topic is comparing 'all time speed'. learn to read pls. A for apple, B for boy, C for chinese babe.
whats problem to take some ty/wc or any other char with buff+15 to pt ??... problem solved
i normally pvp 1v1, 1v2, 1v3,1v4... seldom have any support. Even when i have support, its not necessary i will have a ty/wc in my pt.
Ok, lets compare dragon and arena server. The only item that can increase speed in arena and doesn't exist in dragon server = arena mask. Arena mask give only 20 speed.
After intensive testing by dragon server gm and players, they decided the fair speed cap for dragon server is 250. We should use this setting as our benchmark like what we did for all other settings. The fair speed for arena is 250+20= 270speed.
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 20, 2013, 12:55:55 PM
i normally pvp 1v1, 1v2, 1v3,1v4... seldom have any support. Even when i have support, its not necessary i will have a ty/wc in my pt.
Ok, lets compare dragon and arena server. The only item that can increase speed in arena and doesn't exist in dragon server = arena mask. Arena mask give only 20 speed.
After intensive testing by dragon server gm and players, they decided the fair speed cap for dragon server is 250. We should use this setting as our benchmark like what we did for all other settings. The fair speed for arena is 250+20= 270speed.
So if you think fair speed for arena is 270, and it is only because of arena mask, add then 15% speed from tattoo left empowered, and you have almost 300 speed ;D
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 20, 2013, 12:55:55 PM
i normally pvp 1v1, 1v2, 1v3,1v4... seldom have any support. Even when i have support, its not necessary i will have a ty/wc in my pt.
Ok, lets compare dragon and arena server. The only item that can increase speed in arena and doesn't exist in dragon server = arena mask. Arena mask give only 20 speed.
After intensive testing by dragon server gm and players, they decided the fair speed cap for dragon server is 250. We should use this setting as our benchmark like what we did for all other settings. The fair speed for arena is 250+20= 270speed.
want do 1x1 go oly.. l2 its team game .. or if u QQ so hard abt x15 go play there
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 20, 2013, 04:20:44 AM
this topic, again, is about balancing pvp for ALL chars.
Your opinion only advise everybody to make subclass shilen elder, warcryer, ee.
I already said i have chars with cov+15, Powind+15,POF+15 but these are only 4min buff. You can't just run to pve with only 4min buff unless you have ty/wc to support you together in pve...everytime.
Whatever you both suggested clearly shows your experience in pvp.
l2 was not ment as single palyer game, so this discussion "a char has too much speed" is pointless, i dont advise making a main character, i advising to make a bot for that +15 buff and have it with you all the time, if you cant do that, than its your problem. Also i dont see how speed affect PvE, since its pure grinding, you wont kite raids/mobs, would you?
One more thing, dont talk about experience, you are clearly not MOST experienced player on arena.
"Also i dont see how speed affect PvE" = ok, u win, u smartest, i salute u...*National anthem*... u r the best of the best of the best. Happy?
Quote from: 2sixy on May 20, 2013, 04:33:29 PM
l2 was not ment as single palyer game, so this discussion "a char has too much speed" is pointless, i dont advise making a main character, i advising to make a bot for that +15 buff and have it with you all the time, if you cant do that, than its your problem. Also i dont see how speed affect PvE, since its pure grinding, you wont kite raids/mobs, would you?
One more thing, dont talk about experience, you are clearly not MOST experienced player on arena.
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 20, 2013, 05:13:18 PM
"Also i dont see how speed affect PvE" = ok, u win, u smartest, i salute u...*National anthem*... u r the best of the best of the best. Happy?
for 1bilon % he is better than u.. so ... and OFC he have right with speed in PvE ... u are pissed of bcs some mage hit u and run away from u ?? its normal he is mage, he should be faster than u, but if u play on glad/pal, u shouldnt have any faking problem to catch them (special on h5)
"if u play on glad/pal, u shouldnt have any faking problem to catch them (special on h5)" = *salute to u*.. another pvp God. ok no more reply from me, dont feel like playing music with empty cans.
Quote from: Ath on May 20, 2013, 06:13:44 PM
for 1bilon % he is better than u.. so ... and OFC he have right with speed in PvE ... u are pissed of bcs some mage hit u and run away from u ?? its normal he is mage, he should be faster than u, but if u play on glad/pal, u shouldnt have any faking problem to catch them (special on h5)
Quote from: Speed_Police on May 20, 2013, 07:06:15 PM
"if u play on glad/pal, u shouldnt have any faking problem to catch them (special on h5)" = *salute to u*.. another pvp God. ok no more reply from me, dont feel like playing music with empty cans.
u dumbass u have 2x rush , 1 with stun, and 3x skill to attack from distance, + shackle and agression god damn USE IT !! .. and ofc u have dash
p.s. on h5 (here i guess also) glad/ty AOE skill are faking OP