open beta before start ? we want to test our classes :)
Absolutely! There're some newcomers like me who wants to test stuff out :P
+1
Hello,
There will not be any open beta. Test for clases are now runing by our Stuff memebers so that we can open directly live .
Thank you!
With all respect to your and others stuff members l2 knowledge, wouldnt it be more helpfull if players check it also and share their opinions with you? You are 5 or 6 right? Its impossible to check all imo.
Quote from: ^Xarion^ on January 03, 2014, 03:21:48 PM
Hello,
There will not be any open beta. Test for clases are now runing by our Stuff memebers so that we can open directly live .
Thank you!
so how can we know wich char choose to play ? its not fair...
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 03:25:59 PM
With all respect to your and others stuff members l2 knowledge, wouldnt it be more helpfull if players check it also and share their opinions with you? You are 5 or 6 right? Its impossible to check all imo.
Hello,
I undestand your point of view but some players if find any bug/exploit is posible to not report in beta period and wait for live open to take advantage of it. So that why we try cover all posible combination now in our test period with our old and new l2 knowledge. And, to be honest, not even if we open beta wont be all problem covered.
Thank you !
Quote from: ^Xarion^ on January 03, 2014, 03:41:19 PM
Hello,
I undestand your point of view but some players if find any bug/exploit is posible to not report in beta period and wait for live open to take advantage of it. So that why we try cover all posible combination now in our test period with our old and new l2 knowledge. And, to be honest, not even if we open beta wont be all problem covered.
Thank you !
but if i choose wrong char i will stop plaing after reach lvl 80/80 ... but if ill test all chars that i want ill choose the best one and i will play with it tot 80/80/80/80 nobless hero ++++++++ items xD
Quote from: NekFrus on January 03, 2014, 03:50:38 PM
but if i choose wrong char i will stop plaing after reach lvl 80/80 ... but if ill test all chars that i want ill choose the best one and i will play with it tot 80/80/80/80 nobless hero ++++++++ items xD
Who cares, you can leave arleady...
Btw open BETA would be mistake, all PPL would start most powerfuel classes, not the 1 they can enjoy!
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 03:54:38 PM
Who cares, you can leave arleady...
Btw open BETA would be mistake, all PPL would start most powerfuel classes, not the 1 they can enjoy!
hate me more... so and so i want a test ride
Quote from: ^Xarion^ on January 03, 2014, 03:41:19 PM
Hello,
I undestand your point of view but some players if find any bug/exploit is posible to not report in beta period and wait for live open to take advantage of it. So that why we try cover all posible combination now in our test period with our old and new l2 knowledge. And, to be honest, not even if we open beta wont be all problem covered.
Thank you !
since we can;t test skills, i would like to ask about some controversial skills like duelist spirit, focus power, focus death/power add them to bow or dagger make them hmm totaly op, so how does it look atm ? they are working with all other weapons ?
Quote from: ^Xarion^ on January 03, 2014, 03:41:19 PM
Hello,
I undestand your point of view but some players if find any bug/exploit is posible to not report in beta period and wait for live open to take advantage of it. So that why we try cover all posible combination now in our test period with our old and new l2 knowledge. And, to be honest, not even if we open beta wont be all problem covered.
Thank you !
With all respect, that is a poor conclusion. If a player finds a bug/exploit he will not report it regardless if hes on beta or live. A beta server also gives you the opportunity to find more bugs/exploit without screwing up an actual server economy. Of course, an open beta is open only once you think you found all the bugs/exploit in the game.
You should do this
-Closed beta
-Open beta
-Live
My theory is that you dont want players to try out different sub combo before the server goes live. Some of us play here since 2005, I think we had chance to experience pretty much any sub char.
You are spitting on the opportunity to have if not more than 1000 players testing, trying to balance the game, giving opinions etc. and even monitor them.
Quote from: ^Xarion^ on January 03, 2014, 03:41:19 PM
Hello,
I undestand your point of view but some players if find any bug/exploit is posible to not report in beta period and wait for live open to take advantage of it. So that why we try cover all posible combination now in our test period with our old and new l2 knowledge. And, to be honest, not even if we open beta wont be all problem covered.
Thank you !
I understand ur point of view also but i give u example how solve it. For example u open beta for trusted players which u know, old players from server and they could help u with testing. Track know most of ppl here and know who he can trust and who not.
Quote from: v23 on January 03, 2014, 03:56:33 PM
i would like to ask about some controversial skills like duelist spirit, focus power, focus death/power add them to bow or dagger make them hmm totaly op, so how does it look atm ? they are working with all other weapons ?
I already tested the combinations above, at the moment sadly they work with any kind of weapon.
I reported already to Drake and it will be fixed of course before the server opening.
Quote from: ^Deavon^ on January 03, 2014, 04:09:16 PM
I already tested the combinations above, at the moment sadly they work with any kind of weapon.
I reported already to Drake and it will be fixed of course before the server opening.
Duelist spirit ok, but why focus power or focus death shouldnt work with other weapons?! lol
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
Duelist spirit ok, but why focus power or focus death shouldnt work with other weapons?! lol
Coz its skill of daggers? And should work with daggers only.
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 04:16:37 PM
Coz its skill of daggers? And should work with daggers only.
Since when? It was always like this it works with bows etc. So GM start nerfing b4 server opening?:D NICE!
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 04:16:37 PM
Coz its skill of daggers? And should work with daggers only.
The skill description says "Requires a dagger". When you use vengeance and switch back to your bow, is your vengeance still working?
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
Duelist spirit ok, but why focus power or focus death shouldnt work with other weapons?! lol
Hello
TrackZero will arive at home tonight and more infos about all will be posted in next 48h.
Thank you!
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
Duelist spirit ok, but why focus power or focus death shouldnt work with other weapons?! lol
Because of this ...
(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/413/vrep.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img32/9834/jw7x.jpg)
Quote from: GekKey on January 03, 2014, 04:26:31 PM
The skill description says "Requires a dagger". When you use vengeance and switch back to your bow, is your vengeance still working?
True but vengeance is skill for defense. And skill we are talking about can give too much bonus with other weapons and make some char too op.
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 04:41:35 PM
True but vengeance is skill for defense. And skill we are talking about can give too much bonus with other weapons and make some char too op.
Vengeance has 10min+ cooldown for a 30 sec buff.
The others have no cooldown for a 1/2 min buff.
Quote from: ^Deavon^ on January 03, 2014, 04:37:00 PM
Because of this ...
(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/413/vrep.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img32/9834/jw7x.jpg)
LOL, i`m the only 1 who remember that if u have brain u just dont turn back vs some 1 with focus death and he crit u for 40% of his total dmg instead of 190% of total dmg from back? so with ur example its like 1.8k?! thats OP? I dont get it guys use some brain in pvp
PS In interlude focus power/death always was working with bow, even on DN, so if u cut this its gonna be nerf
if ill make destro/ovelord and i will play on destro stats i will have 0 passive skills from ol on destro stats ? this is themain thing i want to test... ;p
Quote from: NekFrus on January 03, 2014, 04:50:06 PM
if ill make destro/ovelord and i will play on destro stats i will have 0 passive skills from ol on destro stats ? this is themain thing i want to test... ;p
u will have passives except masteries that r same or similar like hp boost, armor masteries weapon mastery
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 04:41:35 PM
True but vengeance is skill for defense. And skill we are talking about can give too much bonus with other weapons and make some char too op.
2 classes that have focus death are both elves. They dont have so great HP/CP
A HE/TH is weak as hell. He has a really poor mdef, pdef. Sure he can deal alot of damage, but he will take alot as well. Simply do not show him your butt crack, cause hes gonna hurt your ass!
I am with Tvit on this. +1 mate!
Quote from: igi on January 03, 2014, 04:53:43 PM
u will have passives except masteries that r same or similar like hp boost, armor masteries weapon mastery
no 42lvl weapon mastery on destro stats ? only the 3lvl one from orc fighter ? becouse the weapon mastery from ovelord would increase p attack on destro. ofcourse not same like bison but always and this would make de/ol usefull in pvp/pve/rbs. destro/ol and destro/wc is so dead... ress it ;D
Quote from: ^Xarion^ on January 03, 2014, 03:41:19 PM
Hello,
I undestand your point of view but some players if find any bug/exploit is posible to not report in beta period and wait for live open to take advantage of it. So that why we try cover all posible combination now in our test period with our old and new l2 knowledge. And, to be honest, not even if we open beta wont be all problem covered.
Thank you !
With all due respect, I don't see any sense in this. Even with 6 staff members online (or how many of you are there) testing all the stuff whole day, the chances of exploitable stuff appearing on live server are still MUCH higher than if you let hundreds of players in open beta testing. Of course there'll be people who would like to take advantage of some stuff, but then there're at least another 5 people to stumble over the same thing. What are the chances all of these people keeping it for themselves instead of helping the server? I don't know. What I do know, this chance is still MUCH better than 6 single staff members even crossing this problem.
That's all I wanted to say. You clearly must see this option is solely wrong and as you can see, major part of the community disagree with it as well.
I hope you take an action here.
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
LOL, i`m the only 1 who remember that if u have brain u just dont turn back vs some 1 with focus death and he crit u for 40% of his total dmg instead of 190% of total dmg from back? so with ur example its like 1.8k?! thats OP? I dont get it guys use some brain in pvp
PS In interlude focus power/death always was working with bow, even on DN, so if u cut this its gonna be nerf
If this server would be just for figters then np but consider there are also mages,and there is no any combo to increase their dmg like fighters with duelist spirit/focus death/focus attack. There is lot of other adventage of this combo, not only boost dmg and use f1.
Quote from: NekFrus on January 03, 2014, 05:08:17 PM
no 42lvl weapon mastery on destro stats ? only the 3lvl one from orc fighter ? becouse the weapon mastery from ovelord would increase p attack on destro. ofcourse not same like bison but always and this would make de/ol usefull in pvp/pve/rbs. destro/ol and destro/wc is so dead... ress it ;D
De already has two handed mastery pole mastery blunt mastery weapon mastery would double his dmg.... There will be no stacking masteries for all the classes
Quote from: v23 on January 03, 2014, 05:52:31 PM
If this server would be just for figters then np but consider there are also mages,and there is no any combo to increase their dmg like fighters with duelist spirit/focus death/focus attack. There is lot of other adventage of this combo, not only boost dmg and use f1.
Did u ever played cross-sub server?
U say about poor mages? - N/C - I tell u only 1 thing - sps/tk - Mage with top cast, decent HEAL, Touch of Life, and like 2,5 def w/o UD.
And 1 more thing, no i`m not gonna play any dagger, but its just seem to be unfair to nerf they skills - again.
@GekKey - thanks =)
As i remember in Interlude here, there wasnt many tanks, remember that max lvl will be 80. Imo sps/tk in interlude is sh1t.
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 06:56:23 PM
Did u ever played cross-sub server?
U say about poor mages? - N/C - I tell u only 1 thing - sps/tk - Mage with top cast, decent HEAL, Touch of Life, and like 2,5 def w/o UD.
And 1 more thing, no i`m not gonna play any dagger, but its just seem to be unfair to nerf they skills - again.
@GekKey - thanks =)
2.5k def w/o ud, lol maybe if u played on tk stats with heavy armor.
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
As i remember in Interlude here, there wasnt many tanks, remember that max lvl will be 80. Imo sps/tk in interlude is sh1t.
There was many chars nuker/archer/dagger with their sub tanks...
Quote from: GekKey on January 03, 2014, 07:28:18 PM
F stats 26 men, M stats 40 men...
I think its possible in mage stats.
Men is for m.def/mana regen/debuffs lol
It gives u 0 armor.
Quote from: vaiper on January 03, 2014, 07:24:16 PM
2.5k def w/o ud, lol maybe if u played on tk stats with heavy armor.
Ofcorse in robe, even without DN custom tattoo system.
Just count lets say dc set+6 (w/o zerk) its about 1200-1400 def (dont remeber exactly) + 260 def from guard stance + about 270def from shield + shield fortress about 770 def or so? Its even more than 2.5k ( you just dont see the defense in stats, but trust me its almost 100% shield def succsess on tk and dont forget about defect arrow! -
i`m still trying to prove that cutting dmg of focus power and focus death is silly, thats all.
Just let the GM do this test with focus death on well geared mage/tank, from front and behind. From front crit maybe will be 500-700, and from back no shield so like 2k maybe. Where is the OP i ask?:)
Quote from: vaiper on January 03, 2014, 07:30:33 PM
Men is for m.def/mana regen/debuffs lol
It gives u 0 armor.
Yeah, i read quickly and thought he meant mdef.
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Just let the GM do this test with focus death on well geared mage/tank, from front and behind. From front crit maybe will be 500-700, and from back no shield so like 2k maybe. Where is the OP i ask?:)
U played IL here?
I had a necro/pala full geared+6 and still got 3/4k crits from archer(with shield defence).
Quote from: vaiper on January 03, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
U played IL here?
I had a necro/pala full geared+6 and still got 3/4k crits from archer(with shield defence).
Yes i was playing here - I mean infinity Loa times, c4, IL. And i`m not talking about dragon +25 duped by GMs bows.
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Ofcorse in robe, even without DN custom tattoo system.
Just count lets say dc set+6 (w/o zerk) its about 1200-1400 def (dont remeber exactly) + 260 def from guard stance + about 270def from shield + shield fortress about 770 def or so? Its even more than 2.5k ( you just dont see the defense in stats, but trust me its almost 100% shield def succsess on tk and dont forget about defect arrow! -
i`m still trying to prove that cutting dmg of focus power and focus death is silly, thats all.
Just let the GM do this test with focus death on well geared mage/tank, from front and behind. From front crit maybe will be 500-700, and from back no shield so like 2k maybe. Where is the OP i ask?:)
well u lack some of basic knowledge about this game :S
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 07:54:38 PM
Yes i was playing here - I mean infinity Loa times, c4, IL. And i`m not talking about dragon +25 duped by GMs bows.
I played on Nm not dragon, and with a bow+7 with a pr/wl and he/wl i easily got 3/4k crits on mages.
Remember on IL u dont have any archer or critical recistance buffs but archers got the range improvement.
Quote from: stanko on January 03, 2014, 08:01:47 PM
well u lack some of basic knowledge about this game :S
Well since its forum, where ppl cross they idea`s. In front of saying empty words try to tell what u mean? Where in my post i lack of basic knowledge, i`m curious...
Quote from: vaiper on January 03, 2014, 08:05:11 PM
I played on Nm not dragon, and with a bow+7 with a pr/wl and he/wl i easily got 3/4k crits on mages.
Remember on IL u dont have any archer or critical recistance buffs but archers got the range improvement.
- here i go again, 4k on tank with bow+7 - I WANNA SEE THIS - this is possible on mage w/o tank sub (since focus attack never worked with bow), pls guys dont be silly
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 08:05:46 PM
- here i go again, 4k on tank with bow+7 -
Not a tank, a mage with tank sub.
Thats 2 really different things.
Quote from: vaiper on January 03, 2014, 08:11:38 PM
Not a tank, a mage with tank sub.
Thats 2 really different things.
i meant MAGE with TANK sub, is it ok now?
And again its not possible to crit mage/tank for 4k if the mage isnt 100% noob ( witch dont use deflect arrow etc.)
Almost forgot:
Quote from: vaiper on January 03, 2014, 08:05:11 PM
I played on Nm not dragon, and with a bow+7 with a pr/wl and he/wl i easily got 3/4k crits on mages.
Remember on IL u dont have any archer or critical recistance buffs but archers got the range improvement.
GL with that on this server
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
i meant MAGE with TANK sub, is it ok now?
And again its not possible to crit mage/tank for 4k if the mage isnt 100% noob ( witch dont use deflect arrow etc.)
Well i dont have my videos anymore or i would show you.
Anyway even if u couldnt hit for 4k(which u can) u could kite the fk out of the mages and they wouldnt even hit you once.
The ammount of pvp i started at varka spawn and ended kiting whole partys to goddard is really high.
Quote from: Tvit on January 03, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
i meant MAGE with TANK sub, is it ok now?
And again its not possible to crit mage/tank for 4k if the mage isnt 100% noob ( witch dont use deflect arrow etc.)
+1
Deflect arrow, tank passives and ee shield buffs. Its impossible to take 4k
Quote from: GekKey on January 03, 2014, 08:21:46 PM
+1
Deflect arrow, tank passives and ee shield buffs. Its impossible to take 4k
In robe u only have 2 tank passives, +shield defence and +defence when ur hp is below 30%
And tk/sk aegis.
I will try to boot the old pc and get those videos so u can see for yourself.
Ok i have another question...
Did You check most OP skill that worked IN IL in PVP??
I mean ofc provoke...
And aura of hate w/o reuse as i remember.
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 09:18:09 PM
And aura of hate w/o reuse as i remember.
Nahh ur wrong...
Aura hate was without reuse with augu refresh lvl 3... but this augu was bugged and was repaired already...
aura hate even without reuse... cant be even compared with provoke...
Quote from: thepal on January 03, 2014, 09:21:45 PM
Nahh ur wrong...
Aura hate was without reuse with augu refresh lvl 3... but this augu was bugged and was repaired already...
aura hate even without reuse... cant be even compared with provoke...
Well i just remember mass pvp in toi, when mostly pal/wl's was hiding near stairs and spam agro xD.
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 09:25:48 PM
Well i just remember mass pvp in toi, when mostly pal/wl's was hiding near stairs and spam agro xD.
Well due to overpowered auguments in IL ( dunno mby were bugged) u could make totally indestructible char like pal/wl that could keep full ally on himself by spamming provoke/hate aura and didnt even need healler...
only problem was destro/pal but hey.. no mutants anymore...
Interlude on Infinity few years ago ----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZwXvxkd3g
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
Interlude on Infinity few years ago ----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZwXvxkd3g
Holy shit.. i remember those pvp and i remember that i was shouting wtf with this lags...
I guess Rav3n stole comp from NASA back then... damn Is amazing to see it again after so many years
Quote from: thepal on January 03, 2014, 09:46:41 PM
Holy shit.. i remember those pvp and i remember that i was shouting wtf with this lags...
I guess Rav3n stole comp from NASA back then... damn Is amazing to see it again after so many years
I can find some more if u wanna :P.
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 09:47:29 PM
I can find some more if u wanna :P.
Nahh just found other rav3ns movie showing this nice m crit rate :0 1 sps/ee killing 2 pt?:)
1 hit every1 ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W69tJWZRs3U
Quote from: thepal on January 03, 2014, 10:15:26 PM
Nahh just found other rav3ns movie showing this nice m crit rate :0 1 sps/ee killing 2 pt?:)
1 hit every1 ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W69tJWZRs3U
who died on 2 or 3 hits was uber PRO xD
Quote from: Vinny on January 03, 2014, 10:31:08 PM
who died on 2 or 3 hits was uber PRO xD
I prefer this kind of pvp instead of the 2 hour pvps we have now in HF that are so boring .
Quote from: MegaZord on January 03, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
Interlude on Infinity few years ago ----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZwXvxkd3g
With this video, i would like to bring two points to your attention:
1st: Infinity players do not need pvp zone at baium! :D
2nd: Kikos (sps/ee) was taking shit tons of arrows cause he was well buffed... so the pew pew th/he or aw/pr was probably a joke for him
Well on Infinity there was no pussies who was scared to flag or answer war. But on Dragon for example clan Dx despite having even 5 pt's dont give back war xD.
Quote from: GekKey on January 03, 2014, 11:53:50 PM
With this video, i would like to bring to points to your attention:
1st: Infinity players do not need pvp zone at baium! :D
2nd: Kikos (sps/ee) was taking shit tons of arrows cause he was well buffed... so the pew pew th/he was probably a joke for him
well Kikos knew how to play... and knew how block shield work... (like it was hard to understand) most of ppl were running and showed their back...
I was trying to point that out to the guy that said mage/tank takes like 4k dmg ;P
Anyways, anyone has Wildpussy's email ?
Quote from: GekKey on January 04, 2014, 12:07:49 AM
I was trying to point that out to the guy that said mage/tank takes like 4k dmg ;P
Anyways, anyone has Wildpussy's email ?
I know someone who have :P.
Quote from: MegaZord on January 04, 2014, 12:15:46 AM
I know someone who have :P.
A working one? I tryed his but seems its not active anymore, if so can you tell that "someone" to pm me with it. I would be very greatful! :P
Quote from: GekKey on January 04, 2014, 12:21:54 AM
A working one? I tryed his but seems its not active anymore, if so can you tell that "someone" to pm me with it. I would be very greatful! :P
Check pm.
Xarion confirmed glasy
Quote from: Alex on January 04, 2014, 12:33:00 AM
Xarion confirmed glasy
And you will be removed for spreading the lies.
@Topic subject :
There wont be any open beta for players, because our previous experience from the past (6 years) showed that 98% of people do not use it for educative/fixing purpose.Quite opposite. Whatever we test/fix we will post when defined. If you have any suggestion or demand for checking you can post it in new topic , no problem.
And just to clear out, there is not even 1 player except listed GM-s who have access to server.