So lets discuss the donations here. Every1 can write his comment about everything u think is wrong. The idea of this thread is to introduce the community oppinion to admins.
My oppinion is that SC should be removed from NPC. As u can see in website there was 3 AM acumen on 26/02/2014. Today they are 8 am acumen. So since the donation is open there are 5 new AM acumen only for 1 day. So u will say where is the problem then !? The problem is that big clans gather like 60 people to kill an epic for only 9 SC, which they share with ally so 4-5 SC per clan. And this doesnt happen every day ( u know epic respawns).
On market every random can buy SC 13 for like 300kk adena and this make the efforts for hundreds of people thrown away. U know how many hours are wasted because this purchase. The idea so many people to gather on 1 place fighting between each other and spend more hours killing a raid then w8 for days to respawn another one is big effort for many peoples. U just dont respect the time people are spending in ur server buy adding this SC 13 so early on the market for NO MONEY. They idea of killing epics is to get advantage over other people and u just ruined the game. My oppinon is that u should make a pool and hear the people voice.
SC 13 is not impossible to take by clanless players or small clans. There are so many ways that they just dont use. By putting SC in NPC u just decreased the price of SC on the market and that affect big clans.
i know u need money to keep the server running but u need PEOPLE AKA GAMERS to play/pay on this server and with ur donation prices and decisions u ruin the desire people to continue play here.
P.S. I saw some fake post in forum about FC leaving the server. Its false dont trust every rumor in forum.
P.S.S. Please keep the thread save from spam and flood. Discuss only the topic.
But then if sc13 is exclusive right for every big clan, theb big clans have also right to sell that sc13 on the market for coins and with those coins to equip other members of clan to grow stronger. Im so so about sc13, however keep the server alive with hats only doesnt work either (look around how many of them there are). Sc13 is arguable indeed, but on the other hand we excluded majority of donny. In addition you need to craft weapon to put that very same sc13 so it kinda balances out
Quote from: Falatko on February 28, 2014, 03:05:55 PM
you know u can stage lvl 13 in rift which mean u can make cry 13 a lot? and for 11 12 there are normal rbs?
Seems he dont :-)
Go make cry 11-12 at T-Rex, u can get 5 each day.
Quote from: vaiper on February 28, 2014, 03:13:57 PM
Go make cry 11-12 at T-Rex, u can get 5 each day.
The cry here is about sc13. Ty u read it with understanding
Quote from: vaiper on February 28, 2014, 03:13:57 PM
Go make cry 11-12 at T-Rex, u can get 5 each day.
So many?
Quote from: zocha on February 28, 2014, 03:17:27 PM
The cry here is about sc13. Ty u read it with understanding
I got around 8k dimension fragments in CWH.
For me its harder to get cry 12 than 13 lol (without buying it).
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on February 28, 2014, 03:19:45 PM
So many?
No 5 crystals in a day for me, it was 5 crystals in total for pt.
Quote from: vaiper on February 28, 2014, 03:20:34 PM
I got around 8k dimension fragments in CWH.
For me its harder to get cry 12 than 13 lol (without buying it).
Notiexu need full ally to get it :-(. Maby take him one or two to rift:-)
U got me wrong. Its not hard for my clan to farm them. Yes it cost us time and efforts but we prooved we do it best like no other clan in this server. (Just to give u example - 22Am on server and 12 in FC clan.).
My points is that with SC13 in donny admins are screwing with players wich spent such an efforts to take an advantage over other people and admins removed the gap between big clans and ordinary people by making their efforts pointles...
anyway, its to early for so hard donation availability
some ppl can earn now same things as ppl who worked hard since the beggining to easily
..u should w8 a bit longer
Quote from: Falatko on February 28, 2014, 03:34:58 PM
just to give u point other clans are focusing on archers and soon or later everybody will get s+sa so u need to show skill buddy not just no life farming
I asked polite for keeping the thread save from spam and admins pls take care of that. With ur post u actualy says nothing.
Quote from: naTiexu on February 28, 2014, 03:30:40 PM
U got me wrong. Its not hard for my clan to farm them. Yes it cost us time and efforts but we prooved we do it best like no other clan in this server. (Just to give u example - 22Am on server and 12 in FC clan.).
My points is that with SC13 in donny admins are screwing with players wich spent such an efforts to take an advantage over other people and admins removed the gap between big clans and ordinary people by making their efforts pointles...
We get your point. We know how much time it costed u....
But we trying to tell u there is much more easy way to make sc13 . So your theory about screwing market prices coz of donny is fail in this case
Quote from: zocha on February 28, 2014, 03:40:20 PM
We get your point. We know how much time it costed u....
But we trying to tell u there is much more easy way to make sc13 . So your theory about screwing market prices coz of donny is fail in this case
Why u think i dont now these ways !?. My idea is that ordinary people can just use these ways instead of admins puting SC in their hands. They should make some efforts to obtain something like every other person on server. Maybe its time admins to make a POOL in forum and see what the community desire
Quote from: naTiexu on February 28, 2014, 03:30:40 PM
U got me wrong. Its not hard for my clan to farm them. Yes it cost us time and efforts but we prooved we do it best like no other clan in this server. (Just to give u example - 22Am on server and 12 in FC clan.).
My points is that with SC13 in donny admins are screwing with players wich spent such an efforts to take an advantage over other people and admins removed the gap between big clans and ordinary people by making their efforts pointles...
U are getting it for free! :) u still can trade it and make adena from ur efforts, 20â,¬ for a cry is not cheap at all, is real money u know, not adena! Still, u could just have rdy 600 dc for what I know (as anybody else) and trade it in sc13 and then ask for it to get deleted... That sound like IG business to me :) ... Too late for start a cry IMHO
donny set of items and prices is actually pretty liberalized towards non-donating players to say the least
Ppl must be extreme stupid to purchase a soul crystal from donny, while at my shop it cost half cheaper.
Quote from: naTiexu on February 28, 2014, 03:42:18 PM
Why u think i dont now these ways !?. My idea is that ordinary people can just use these ways instead of admins puting SC in their hands. They should make some efforts to obtain something like every other person on server. Maybe its time admins to make a POOL in forum and see what the community desire
And should make efforts to sub etc etc... Still server needs money, some people have no time to play and prefer donate, some people are just nolifers and want to own everytging IG... W/e, u will always find something to cry about donny, but u still want to play for free and w/o lags ( ok, they are working on that hopfully )
Quote from: Falatko on February 28, 2014, 03:34:58 PM
just to give u point other clans are focusing on archers mostly and soon or later everybody will get s+sa so u need to show skill buddy not just no life farming
ur so brainless with ur spam dude
ur doing it only to make score with posts ? u dont even know what ur talking about and ur knowledge is pitiful..
who care's ???
sc 13 at donny is really nice .this can balance all ppl in server and not rule the server only that ppls in big clan.ofc u must first craft s weapon or buy from market.
I'm a new player to the server so you may not think my views matter, but I can give you a bird's eye view on the situation.
If anything, the donation system here is perfect. The server needs income to keep going, and if it isn't silly things like SC or tattoos or horns, it would be weapons, armours and ++ stuff, which is the much worse option.
You should only be moaning about donnation items if they are next to impossible (or require a long time) to achieve by a normal player - and this instannce that is not the case.
The fact that you are moaning about this seems a bit pedantic to be honest. Don't forget that working people and solo players/small groups of frends need some means to get little things as well.
We have a perfect saying in my mother language, "You are turning a fly into an elephant"
Quote from: kostsuba on February 28, 2014, 07:01:31 PM
sc 13 at donny is really nice .this can balance all ppl in server and not rule the server only that ppls in big clan.ofc u must first craft s weapon or buy from market.
Quote from: silent_death on March 01, 2014, 06:10:41 PM
I'm a new player to the server so you may not think my views matter, but I can give you a bird's eye view on the situation.
If anything, the donation system here is perfect. The server needs income to keep going, and if it isn't silly things like SC or tattoos or horns, it would be weapons, armours and ++ stuff, which is the much worse option.
You should only be moaning about donnation items if they are next to impossible (or require a long time) to achieve by a normal player - and this instannce that is not the case.
Don't forget that working people and solo players/small groups of frends need some means to get little things as well.
Well this is the actual problem, people thinking that GMs should balance out big clans with "normal" players.... this is not how it works big clans r BIG for a reason and normal ppl want to be more like the BIG clans for a reason..
Im fine with everything at donny except the sc13... u could put it later in game.. and dont say its 20euro cuz DC r tradeable so u can buy it with adena or buy half DC with adena and half with real money.
Thing is.. its just like naTiexu said big clans go through the trouble of organizing 50+ ppl, pvp enemies and win epics so we get 9 sc13 which r shared between clans and then between CPs
and "normal" players just click a button and puf a sc13 shows up in their inventory...
GMs say they want to improve the pvp experience in the server but SF r farming Antharas, Baium, Ant Queen, Zaken, Orfen, Core, Barakiel undisturbed on a server with 2.5kk population... last night we even posted on forum that we r camping AQ and still no1 came....
"My little spam feel free to ignore"
And none will. People are incapable of uniting a big overwhelming zerg and in smaller clans (even stuff like Excidium is considered a smaller clan in this case) will never have a chance if they come as they are. And the difference will be only bigger and bigger as you farm more and more bosjwels. Without SC13 for coins most would not even get S grades.
Thats how it is. Someone flamed me for bringing "philoshophy" to the game but we actually need it like in the old days. People loyal to an idea not just bunch of friends and own greed. And people are not so they cannot stand-up against something like SF represents now. The only thing they can do is "bore to death" strategy. Aka just not fight, make it not funny experience for the enemy and wait till they leave. Thats horrible but I feel like people can do no more. So many people want the SC13 or noble yet I see there no cooperation nor real effort to get it.
Hint - Assembling a last-hit attempt party is not considered an effort. Bringing 200+ people to take the raid is, and I haven't seen that.
Ill be honest ATM I'm working on cooperating with bunch of oldschool comrades, they still need exp, DNsub, etc. After its done we will either fight, or they will turn cowards (which I hope not) and try to join clans like those in SF. If that is the case ill be alone and most likely fail. But ill rather fail then asslick.
To be more clear I do not blame FC or Cruel or anyone like this. I compliment them, they organized ATM dominating force that finally actually kills people and prevents their progress. That is how it should be. But I question why there is no sign of any counter-force.
i dont get the point of the discussion about big clan need to get award because they involve time to make it.
server need money to run;
server data for login, server data for game, money for bandwitch, money for time passed by owner and Gms etc...
how could big clans would enjoy the game if server closed because of lack of incomes?
server will not pay bills with hats and hairpins...
so if donators dont donate you dont play anymore, its simple as that..
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 01, 2014, 07:39:44 PM
"My little spam feel free to ignore"
And none will. People are incapable of uniting a big overwhelming zerg and in smaller clans (even stuff like Excidium is considered a smaller clan in this case) will never have a chance if they come as they are. And the difference will be only bigger and bigger as you farm more and more bosjwels. Without SC13 for coins most would not even get S grades.
Thats how it is. Someone flamed me for bringing "philoshophy" to the game but we actually need it like in the old days. People loyal to an idea not just bunch of friends and own greed. And people are not so they cannot stand-up against something like SF represents now. The only thing they can do is "bore to death" strategy. Aka just not fight, make it not funny experience for the enemy and wait till they leave. Thats horrible but I feel like people can do no more. So many people want the SC13 or noble yet I see there no cooperation nor real effort to get it.
Hint - Assembling a last-hit attempt party is not considered an effort. Bringing 200+ people to take the raid is, and I haven't seen that.
Ill be honest ATM I'm working on cooperating with bunch of oldschool comrades, they still need exp, DNsub, etc. After its done we will either fight, or they will turn cowards (which I hope not) and try to join clans like those in SF. If that is the case ill be alone and most likely fail. But ill rather fail then asslick.
To be more clear I do not blame FC or Cruel or anyone like this. I compliment them, they organized ATM dominating force that finally actually kills people and prevents their progress. That is how it should be. But I question why there is no sign of any counter-force.
I see the migration from smaller (currently) clans to OMGWTF clans too. First times to Excidium, and now some leaving that too to join fightclub and whatever.
Here in BA there were people enough for 4-5 parties, now we have people for max 2 party but only at peak times, as the most of the fast leveling mages left for bigger clans, mostly the old infinity players stay, who say "i play in BA or i don't play L2" (however i see the most of these people who left and joined to bigger clans, as clanless again, so it seems it doesn't worked as they thought...). And i see the same with Fi, and some other old clans.
But eventually the bigger clans and allies will split, as they always did, (i remember as the fatal ally broke on infinity, and Aod became the enemy of fi, and before that the break of SF, and others)... this will happen here too.
Quote from: loXol on March 01, 2014, 08:20:52 PM
i dont get the point of the discussion about big clan need to get award because they involve time to make it.
server need money to run;
server data for login, server data for game, money for bandwitch, money for time passed by owner and Gms etc...
how could big clans would enjoy the game if server closed because of lack of incomes?
server will not pay bills with hats and hairpins...
so if donators dont donate you dont play anymore, its simple as that..
So your argument is that server need money?
I say remove sc13... not remove everything...
U can still have sc up to 12 and b/ews etc...
Giving ppl an easy way out will make ppl always chose that way over the harder one(gather ppl, organize, take it by force) and it will kill the fun of the server like fighting for xp grounds, epics etc...
p.s. Who will donate for a hat when they can donate for a sc13...why waste money on something that doesnt help u ig when u can buy something that helps u....
p.p.s All of u who think that game starts when u farm your gear and hit max lvl will end up all geared up and lvld and with no enemy cuz u cooperated with whole server to get the things u need and everyone will be friends with no reason to fight each other lol
U will be like.. dont kill this guy we exped together from 40 to 60, dont attack that clan they helped me last hit Barakiel.. dont flame that guy he ressed me at Baium...except ofc u see a SF guy :P then u will not attack out of fear :P
Quote from: igi on March 01, 2014, 09:32:31 PM
p.s. Who will donate for a hat when they can donate for a sc13...why waste money on something that doesnt help u ig when u can buy something that helps u....
p.p.s All of u who think that game starts when u farm your gear and hit max lvl will end up all geared up and lvld and with no enemy cuz u cooperated with whole server to get the things u need and everyone will be friends with no reason to fight each other lol
U will be like.. dont kill this guy we exped together from 40 to 60, dont attack that clan they helped me last hit Barakiel.. dont flame that guy he ressed me at Baium...except ofc u see a SF guy :P then u will not attack out of fear :P
first ps: u answered selfy, why would donate to something that dont help you IG
second ps: i played long time in dragon, my ennemy clan in second ally were my buddy in first ally and even some of my clan mates became ennemies because of allies politics etc; so i dont get your point...
Quote from: loXol on March 01, 2014, 09:44:10 PM
first ps: u answered selfy, why would donate to something that dont help you IG
Quote from: loXol on March 01, 2014, 08:20:52 PM
server need money to run;
server data for login, server data for game, money for bandwitch, money for time passed by owner and Gms etc...
so if donators dont donate you dont play anymore, its simple as that..
Btw Im not for completely removing all the stuff that help u in game from donny, I just think that sc13 is a little bit over the line
Remove sc 13 ??? and add weapons, armors, jewels, clone dnx15 donny... irony off...
Quote from: reddragonjr on March 01, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
Remove sc 13 ??? and add weapons, armors, jewels, clone dnx15 donny... irony off...
Its easier to get weapon armor and jewels than getting a sc13 -.- u just cry cuz u cant get it other than donate or buy with adena eather way now sc13 is very cheap... 300kk wtf
Quote from: igi on March 01, 2014, 10:18:28 PM
Its easier to get weapon armor and jewels than getting a sc13 -.-
uhm? anakazel hard? not 100% but not really hard?
Quote from: loXol on March 01, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
uhm? anakazel hard? not 100% but not really hard?
Not hard but not killable alone.. Still u need to farm cata then make pt for rift..
sc13 in donny is 100% and one click away
and u can even be home alone
Quote from: igi on March 01, 2014, 11:18:24 PM
Not hard but not killable alone.. Still u need to farm cata then make pt for rift..
sc13 in donny is 100% and one click away
and u can even be home alone
not alone but 2 with 2 box and u are done... no need to have big clan with 5 party to make epics....
Quote from: igi on March 01, 2014, 11:18:24 PM
Still u need to farm cata then make pt for rift..
What pt?
You just need wc/bd/2xdestro and done.
Quote from: Falatko on March 02, 2014, 12:55:42 AM
psssst, dont tell them secrets!
Big secret
Though u need 2x destro fully equpied + wc with cov + high bd and a bp would be a nice asset even though not rly necessary still not something a solo player would do...
U say it like its as easy as making 4 accounts lol... making that setup is harder than finding rift pt lol
Btw I dont know how we transferred from sc13 in donny to rift...I dont see the point in your arguments
I didn't read the topic.... but.... where is nobless and retail quest items on donny? at least last time I saw it wasn't there...... I'm playing around 2h per day..... to get nobless will be like....like.... dunno.... rly hard xD
Quote from: lbiguiml on March 02, 2014, 01:45:01 AM
I didn't read the topic.... but.... where is nobless and retail quest items on donny? at least last time I saw it wasn't there...... I'm playing around 2h per day..... to get nobless will be like....like.... dunno.... rly hard xD
U cant donate for noblesse and retail
Quote from: igi on March 02, 2014, 01:49:11 AM
U cant donate for noblesse and retail
yeah.... I think it should be a option on donny npc
Quote from: igi on March 02, 2014, 01:07:15 AM
Big secret
Though u need 2x destro fully equpied + wc with cov + high bd and a bp would be a nice asset even though not rly necessary still not something a solo player would do...
U say it like its as easy as making 4 accounts lol... making that setup is harder than finding rift pt lol
tw I dont know how we transferred from sc13 in donny to rift...I dont see the point in your arguments
Because the main complaint was cry 13 should be a big clan exclusive, everybody is trying to show that, with just a little bit of knowledge of l2, u can get it with a "Random" pt. not even a little clan needed to get it, just a pt if u know what u are doing
Quote from: borde on March 02, 2014, 03:54:28 AM
Because the main complaint was cry 13 should be a big clan exclusive, everybody is trying to show that, with just a little bit of knowledge of l2, u can get it with a "Random" pt. not even a little clan needed to get it, just a pt if u know what u are doing
So why is everyone trying so hard to keep sc13 in donny? :))
I think the donny is ok. I just didnt like the Enchants S this early.
Should have caped it at A grade for a month. But money speaks louder.
Adding a Quest Horn would be nice.
Quote from: Clonage on March 02, 2014, 05:21:15 AM
Adding a Quest Horn would be nice.
+1 at least on half price of premium
plus subclass quest would be nice too, if not full noblesse... subclass quest is just about camping bosses, not so hard, but needs lot of time... which not everyone has...