Lets have a serious discussion. I will later copy/paste my thoughts here. Please keep this on topic & let every player voice a serious opinion. Maybe a GM can help keep this clean.
We all want the same thing, so.... suggestions?
This competition for servers admin is obviously pay2win. Banners everywhere+being in 1st three servers on every toplist.
Quote from: Sax on March 31, 2014, 10:26:18 PM
Never bring players with these rules .. like on my case..i was banned only for multibot on 4 BIG characters ( big= noblese,stucksubed etc.. BIG ITEMS.. ) without real proofs..etc ,only some screens..and track caught me only 1 time ..and BANG ..permanent BAN ,how to bring players so? ..i have 2 weeks since no play ..and everyday i try to speak with track (cuz he banned me ) ..no answers,i have to mention..50% of srv use too multibox right now i think..and no all got banned perma.. etc :| I don't want to see anymore bad answers from ppl like "cry cry ..etc " ,only kids say this .Thanks
PS : Sry for my bad english .
fixed.
Quote from: Sax on March 31, 2014, 10:26:18 PM
Never bring players with these rules .. like on my case..i was banned only for multibox on 4 BIG characters ( big= noblese,stucksubed etc.. BIG ITEMS.. ) without real proofs..etc ,only some screens..and track caught me only 1 time ..and BANG ..permanent BAN ,how to bring players so? ..i have 2 weeks since no play ..and everyday i try to speak with track (cuz he banned me ) ..no answers,i have to mention..50% of srv use too multibox right now i think..and no all got banned perma.. etc :| I don't want to see anymore bad answers from ppl like "cry cry ..etc " ,only kids say this .Thanks
PS : Sry for my bad english .
Crying botter? Ban him on forums, and close this topic already, we have one shitty spam-topic going on right now already.
Server has arround 2k players. Numbers are also appealing.
Voting system with high votes rewards (Ex.: Hats, Random Consumables/Scrolls,etc..)
Faster (Quest)Golky Re-spawn. (Sub stack should be something that everyone should easly get. I was quite sad when everyone rushed retails first then substacking.)
Newbie buffs from LvL 1 to LvL 40.
Free 1st class change.
Rates Are OK! We just need more attractive early game for new players.
Quote from: Clonage on March 31, 2014, 11:25:45 PM
Server has arround 2k players. Numbers are also appealing.
Voting system with high votes rewards (Ex.: Hats, Random Consumables/Scrolls,etc..)
Faster (Quest)Golky Re-spawn. (Sub stack should be something that everyone should easly get. I was quite sad when everyone rushed retails first then substacking.)
Newbie buffs from LvL 1 to LvL 40.
Free 1st class change.
Rates Are OK! We just need more attractive early game for new players.
voting system wont work. hopzone and topzone are the most corrupted crap ever.
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 11:34:56 PM
voting system wont work. hopzone and topzone are the most corrupted crap ever.
That why i said it's pay2win.
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 11:36:09 PM
That why i said it's pay2win.
maybe u misunderstood me, i mean this:
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 28, 2014, 09:07:55 AM
All i have to say that Voting mafia strikes again, those monopolist are just driving me mad. Even i promised myself i will not deal with them many years ago, i did it. And now im just getting in rage mode :@
As you can see we are removed for unknown reason and without any notice:
Hopzone:
Site is deactivated !
I opened topic:
http://forums.hopzone.net/showthread.php?53083-Dragon-Network-deactivated
And of course our server is removed even from Hopzone topic where other server advertaise themself....
Topzone:
They removed us totally
They removed us even from forum advertise section
So once again, after more and more players started to join DN (i guess they started to loose players massively ) they just disabled us to bring more players.... Just f**n great. :(
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 11:38:10 PM
maybe u misunderstood me, i mean this:
I know what u mean, but if admins will pay proper $$, everything would be fine with hopzone and other toplist.
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 11:43:28 PM
I know what u mean, but if admins will pay proper $$, everything would be fine with hopzone and other toplist.
y that's sure, but as far as i know they want heaps of money, greedy bastards.
Quote from: Garn. on March 31, 2014, 11:45:13 PM
y that's sure, but as far as i know they want heaps of money, greedy bastards.
Welcome to the real world, where nothing comes for free ;]
Is a bit different.
The concept is that they want small servers only so when their players go for vote, they end up in hopzone and see the "big servers" and join them.
I would dare to say the big servers are (at least in part) their properties, else those servers couldnt offer services like "vote for reward" or stuffs like that.
This is valid for all TopXXX websites because to offer those "features" is required an heavy integration between the server AND the vote website.
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 11:48:39 PM
Is a bit different.
The concept is that they want small servers only so when their players go for vote, they end up in hopzone and see the "big servers" and join them.
I would dare to say the big servers are (at least in part) their properties, else those servers couldnt offer services like "vote for reward" or stuffs like that.
This is valid for all TopXXX websites because to offer those "features" is required an heavy integration between the server AND the vote website.
That can be this way, but money open almost every door :)
Quote from: Painkiler on March 31, 2014, 11:49:59 PM
That can be this way, but money open almost every door :)
Is bad when it opens *something else* :D (and even more when is *our something else* :D )
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 11:58:02 PM
Is bad when it opens *something else* :D (and even more when is *our something else* :D )
Looking on old dnet history money already opened everything possible door here :), but i hope this won't happen on tarantula.
Quote from: Painkiler on April 01, 2014, 12:00:16 AM
Looking on old dnet history money already opened everything possible door here :), but i hope this won't happen on tarantula.
Wont happen ever, i prefer close server then this. In my previous topics you will see i mentioned that already.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 12:04:59 AM
Wont happen ever, i prefer close server then this. In my previous topics you will see i mentioned that already.
Well Track, words are always a words. Don't be mad on me because of these words, but i hear many things from mmo games admins about being 'corrupt-free', but when good money come, they always changed their mind.
Quote from: Painkiler on April 01, 2014, 12:07:15 AM
Well Track, words are always a words. Don't be mad on me because of these words, but i hear many things from mmo games admins about being 'corrupt-free', but when good money come, they always changed their mind.
Im fine dude, all ok. And dont worry we already passed (declined) that offers even before server opened ;)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 12:08:28 AM
Im fine dude, all ok. And dont worry we already passed (declined) that offers even before server opened ;)
I hope so, because i choose the slow-long term way to play here :)
Quote from: Painkiler on April 01, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
I hope so, because i choose the slow-long term way to play here :)
Thank you
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on April 01, 2014, 12:45:20 AM
I tried to corrupt Track, but nothing worked, This guy is freaking uncorruptible
I heard many things from old nightmare players, so i asked :). I hope Track and drake have strong moral spine.
For start, bringing new players requires some nice movie recording from the NEW Tournament announced:
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,282469.0.html
Please form a team and JOIN!
Quote from: =drake= on March 31, 2014, 11:48:39 PM
Is a bit different.
The concept is that they want small servers only so when their players go for vote, they end up in hopzone and see the "big servers" and join them.
I would dare to say the big servers are (at least in part) their properties, else those servers couldnt offer services like "vote for reward" or stuffs like that.
This is valid for all TopXXX websites because to offer those "features" is required an heavy integration between the server AND the vote website.
Wow, is that really the case? Even L2 top 200/top 100 etc? I've always used those sites to find my servers in the past, jeez.
Is there really nothing that can be done in terms of advertisement? I know 2k players is an impressive number, but I bet a huge part of those are dualboxed/afk in towns. I would love to see that number double or triple even.
Before you say about the vids, yes I'd love to do a bunch and have lots of ideas born in my head every day but I completely lack any video making skills :)
Quote from: silent_death on April 02, 2014, 02:03:00 PM
Is there really nothing that can be done in terms of advertisement?
The realist answer? Make our own topXX :D
You could reward people that advertise DN on gaming forums.
Also a facebook raffle contest for everyone that shares l2DN page(1 random winner). Be creative :D
Quote from: Clonage on April 02, 2014, 02:19:19 PM
You could reward people that advertise DN on gaming forums.
Also a facebook raffle contest for everyone that shares l2DN page(1 random winner). Be creative :D
The first one is hard to monitor, second one is definitely doable :D
Quote from: Clonage on April 02, 2014, 02:19:19 PM
You could reward people that advertise DN on gaming forums.
Also a facebook raffle contest for everyone that shares l2DN page(1 random winner). Be creative :D
I am open to hear more about 2nd idea, publicly or you can PM..
Appriciated
put some euros from donation to Fb advartise.. :D will be more efective then any topxx site.. :D
Quote from: =drake= on April 02, 2014, 02:09:42 PM
The realist answer? Make our own topXX :D
Although I use AdBlock on my home PC and can see none of that shyte, a good idea maybe is some advertisement on sites like pmfun that everyone uses? (Seen a few banners for shitty servers on there)
My ideia was a Promotion Post on Facebook, done by a Admin, with server features, rates, population number, etc. At the end of the post you should say that whoever shares that post directly from l2DN page and "Likes" l2DN page, enters a contest that selects a random winner. Rewards should be apealling, for example 30DC.
You should also post on DN forum when the contest starts.
Other good contest would be a Promotion Movie Contest.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 02:34:29 PM
I am open to hear more about 2nd idea, publicly or you can PM..
Appriciated
these days facebook should easy own rankings like hopzone etc. the point is to do fanpage more popular i guess and
one of ways for it could be "fandealer" page - http://www.adfanyo.de/
I've never used it before but I hope it will help maybe :)
Also the post should have anexed an image.
For me it seems, that there is good traffic of incomming players. Unfortunately many of them left soon after start. So question is: "What you can do to keep players on and happy". Dont be like big communication companies which will smile at you and promise you everything but when you sign in, they dont give a crap about you anymore :p
Most annoying stuff for me now are:
- Random restarts without any previous notice in chat (many of them in past week).
- Not working trick or transmutation event. (It realy makes you GMs look incompetent when you put it on, find out its bugged somehow and not being able to fix it for more than week already. Its not attempt to flame you, Im just saying its really bad advetisement for server because who want to play on server with incompetent gms)
Quote from: Clonage on April 02, 2014, 03:13:34 PM
My ideia was a Promotion Post on Facebook, done by a Admin, with server features, rates, population number, etc. At the end of the post you should say that whoever shares that post directly from l2DN page and "Likes" l2DN page, enters a contest that selects a random winner. Rewards should be apealling, for example 30DC.
You should also post on DN forum when the contest starts.
Other good contest would be a Promotion Movie Contest.
IMO that isn't going to work. All the facebook friends I have that play L2 (not many) have already been spoken to privately, and it is very unlikely that a 10 year old game is going to attract brand new players, especially in a time when stuff like elder scrolls online is coming out
Quote from: Trp on April 02, 2014, 03:56:34 PM
For me it seems, that there is good traffic of incomming players. Unfortunately many of them left soon after start. So question is: "What you can do to keep players on and happy". Dont be like big communication companies which will smile at you and promise you everything but when you sign in, they dont give a crap about you anymore :p
Most annoying stuff for me now are:
- Random restarts without any previous notice in chat (many of them in past week).
- Not working trick or transmutation event. (It realy makes you GMs look incompetent when you put it on, find out its bugged somehow and not being able to fix it for more than week already. Its not attempt to flame you, Im just saying its really bad advetisement for server because who want to play on server with incompetent gms)
There is no restart without prior notice as you can see in announce section?
About event, speaking quite frankly i solved event issue whitin 48h after i wrote it, BUT meanwhile i discovered something interesting .
And that thing holded releasing it publicly. So what i discovered? I discovered simply that legit players couldnt have keyes (event item) in inventory while ONLY walker users did, so i let "test" mode of event running to gather nice chunk of data from db to get a picture and details who is who. It will be next aditional feature for walker users.
So we are pretty much competent admin and devs but i guess you cant have a clue what happens behind the curtain which makes you enjoy the game. So now you know the background.
Quote from: silent_death on April 02, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
IMO that isn't going to work. All the facebook friends I have that play L2 (not many) have already been spoken to privately, and it is very unlikely that a 10 year old game is going to attract brand new players, especially in a time when stuff like elder scrolls online is coming out
Well i also spoke to ppl privatly that didnt want to come, maybe watching a Admin post with features and good advertising they might find it interresting and at least check it out.
Well i guess players who truly like lineage 2 on its best , will join Tarantula.
Players who wish everything within 5 days and gm shop with everything and buffs and dances lasting 5 days should avoid this server.
And i dont know what else players could demand what we didnt provide here:
Active gms, fast solving problems and issues, constant updgrades, actve staff on forum answering players, at least 1 pvp and 1 pve event in 7 days,stability, easy progressing in game, bot protection, no corruption, no concpet pay to win, 3 languages in game, etc etc.. I really dont understand how some players prefer trash over quality, just because some server gain big zerg and die whitin 2 months does it make it better? NO! I could give u looooong list of them.
If that would be our goal, we wouldnt bother putting walker protection and you would have 5000 players on daily level.
How to bring players on Tara? Simply for start each one of you who value our work and time should invite friends and mates , there is absolute no reason why real l2 players shouldnt join here.
Thats all
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 04:43:56 PM
There is no restart without prior notice as you can see in announce section?
About event, speaking quite frankly i solved event issue whitin 48h after i wrote it, BUT meanwhile i discovered something interesting .
And that thing holded releasing it publicly. So what i discovered? I discovered simply that legit players couldnt have keyes (event item) in inventory while ONLY walker users did, so i let "test" mode of event running to gather nice chunk of data from db to get a picture and details who is who. It will be next aditional feature for walker users.
So we are pretty much competent admin and devs but i guess you cant have a clue what happens behind the curtain which makes you enjoy the game. So now you know the background.
Well I really cant see from my position if its restart or game crash, but there was quite few "restarts" without usual "Server will go down in 5 minutes" lately. I understand that its not possible to run private server completely without it, but it was a bit many of them lately. For players which spent last few years at official servers and got used to some standat quality its very annoying.
About event. Make please some official statement at proper thread. It is of course better to put it on when all related problems are fixed but its not good to keep people completely blind at this case. No need to go to details but just some info to assure players that you are working on it to keep us calm. :)
Quote from: Trp on April 02, 2014, 05:14:54 PM
Well I really cant see from my position if its restart or game crash, but there was quite few "restarts" without usual "Server will go down in 5 minutes" lately. I understand that its not possible to run private server completely without it, but it was a bit many of them lately. For players which spent last few years at official servers and got used to some standat quality its very annoying.
About event. Make please some official statement at proper thread. It is of course better to put it on when all related problems are fixed but its not good to keep people completely blind at this case. No need to go to details but just some info to assure players that you are working on it to keep us calm. :)
When server announce reboot (5min before usually) you clearly see it in game. Crash has nothing to do with it.... We usually place on forum planned downtime.
About event as i said when it is active it will be annonced , i believe whitin 48h (server needs reboot thou)
30+ oldies with whom I played in past asked me about that server but when heard end rates are x4 they said 'no thanks' and I get their point. Having normal work + some kind of social life means you can spend like 3-4h max a day, so casual player needs like 4+ months to enjoy the game with finished char and by finished I mean 79 with skills, nobl and some A stuff. x15 was the best server of that community because it wasn't too fast and it wasn't too slow but with current blackmailers it won't do. This x10 idea which drake posted would be a great option and encouragement to spent a month/two on making a char and then enjoying what's the most crucial in L2 - pvping+sieges.
Before dogs start their barking - I'm 78+sub+nobl so blow me with 'omfg learn to exp' xd
Quote from: Blizzer on April 02, 2014, 05:22:21 PM
30+ oldies with whom I played in past asked me about that server but when heard end rates are x4 they said 'no thanks' and I get their point. Having normal work + some kind of social life means you can spend like 3-4h max a day, so casual player needs like 4+ months to enjoy the game with finished char and by finished I mean 79 with skills, nobl and some A stuff. x15 was the best server of that community because it wasn't too fast and it wasn't too slow but with current blackmailers it won't do. This x10 idea which drake posted would be a great option and encouragement to spent a month/two on making a char and then enjoying what's the most crucial in L2 - pvping+sieges.
Before dogs start their barking - I'm 78+sub+nobl so blow me with 'omfg learn to exp' xd
Point is whiting 25 days and casual playing you can reach max . Everything else is myth.
And recent changes made it even more easier sub @ 76 etc...
All those people who decide to play or not to play acording the forum and opinions of few failure wouldnt join seriously (not talking about you bliz)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 05:18:26 PM
When server announce reboot (5min before usually) you clearly see it in game. Crash has nothing to do with it.... We usually place on forum planned downtime.
About event as i said when it is active it will be annonced , i believe whitin 48h (server needs reboot thou)
Thanx for info about event.
At other case im not sure if we understand each other. I understand planned restarts and their nessessity. What i ment was situations like yesterday evening. Doing 4s instance with my party, 4th room already, suddenly "boom". All dc, server down. I dont know if its server crash or some of staff doing something and need fast rr. Frankly reasons are not interesting me much. What interest me more is frequency of theese unexpected restarts/crashes.
Im not trying to flame you about it, im just trying to point out some reasons why some people dont want to start or even leave this server. I hope you get it well ;)
Well, it's all about server advertisement and putting info about it everywhere possible (even if it's hardcore spam :D).
What happens on server internally is a secondary thing really. I really doubt anyone cares if Golky respawns every 50h or Deflect Arrow doesn't stack with Wind Vortex before joining the server and playing for quite a time already.
Who cares that some of your friends said "x4? No thx, need at least x80" - on high rates people play much shorter (you do a server jump on another x5035 and you have same char setup in one to couple of days) and server lasts probably much shorter.
Personally what I would look onto after joining a server was how freaked up are donations and how many people running with heavily OEd equipment - while donations aren't here that bad as could be, enchant rate and amount of dark blue weapons is disappointing. But that case is closed, so here's no suggestion, just opinion.
Quote from: Zibo on April 02, 2014, 05:36:45 PM
Well, it's all about server advertisement and putting info about it everywhere possible (even if it's hardcore spam :D).
What happens on server internally is a secondary thing really. I really doubt anyone cares if Golky respawns every 50h or Deflect Arrow doesn't stack with Wind Vortex before joining the server and playing for quite a time already.
Who cares that some of your friends said "x4? No thx, need at least x80" - on high rates people play much shorter (you do a server jump on another x5035 and you have same char setup in one to couple of days) and server lasts probably much shorter.
Personally what I would look onto after joining a server was how freaked up are donations and how many people running with heavily OEd equipment - while donations aren't here that bad as could be, enchant rate and amount of dark blue weapons is disappointing. But that case is closed, so here's no suggestion, just opinion.
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,281042.0.html
Well, Blizzer is right. I spoke with at least 20 ppl that propably could play here, and only five wanted to join. Mostly answer was "x4? I don't have time for it, if it would be x10 at least i could give a try". That's why i suggested flat exp/sp/adena/etc curve like x20->x10 for exp, because ppl see a high rate on start and then, after 60 lvl it became much slower. Now only one guy still playing because of this - others left mostly after 65+lvl when it became boring with 0,1% exp/mob solo.
Quote from: Painkiler on April 02, 2014, 06:10:00 PM
Well, Blizzer is right. I spoke with at least 20 ppl that propably could play here, and only five wanted to join. Mostly answer was "x4? I don't have time for it, if it would be x10 at least i could give a try". That's why i suggested flat exp/sp/adena/etc curve like x20->x10 for exp, because ppl see a high rate on start and then, after 60 lvl it became much slower. Now only one guy still playing because of this - others left mostly after 65+lvl when it became boring with 0,1% exp/mob solo.
So we should sacrafaice other 2000 souls because of few who will "give it a try".
Once again some facts:
- its not 4 its 5x ONLY ON LAST FEW LEVELS
(Before that its Nightmare, Dragon, Infinity rates)
- you can sub at 76 and use premium horn for minimal loss
- whitin 20 days of CASUAL playing you can reach max level if you know how to play and where to exp.
TrackZero the mythbuster
Myth BUSTED
Quote from: Painkiler on April 02, 2014, 06:10:00 PM
Well, Blizzer is right. I spoke with at least 20 ppl that propably could play here, and only five wanted to join. Mostly answer was "x4? I don't have time for it, if it would be x10 at least i could give a try". That's why i suggested flat exp/sp/adena/etc curve like x20->x10 for exp, because ppl see a high rate on start and then, after 60 lvl it became much slower. Now only one guy still playing because of this - others left mostly after 65+lvl when it became boring with 0,1% exp/mob solo.
+1
0.1 % on lvl 65? You were killing lvl 50 mobs?:/
dd+se=70 in three days 3-4h per day.
+1 about random dc's. Last week it was atleast 3-4 on my memory.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 06:17:48 PM
So we should sacrafaice other 2000 souls because of few who will "give it a try".
Once again some facts:
- its not 4 its 5x ONLY ON LAST FEW LEVELS
(Before that its Nightmare, Dragon, Infinity rates)
- you can sub at 76 and use premium horn for minimal loss
- whitin 20 days of CASUAL playing you can reach max level if you know how to play and where to exp.
TrackZero the mythbuster
Myth BUSTED
+1
Quote from: N!k on April 02, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
0.1 % on lvl 65? You were killing lvl 50 mobs?:/
dd+se=70 in three days 3-4h per day.
+1 about random dc's. Last week it was atleast 3-4 on my memory.
+2
@Nik , you mean crashes? Where it happened?
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 31, 2014, 10:30:56 PM
Crying botter? Ban him on forums, and close this topic already, we have one shitty spam-topic going on right now already.
i would most likely say this same thing, if i wasnt permabanned for multiboxing aswell.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 02, 2014, 06:21:02 PM
+1
Well, i get something like 0.13~0.30% per mob in cata at lvl 70 killing lvl 66 mobs with more 2 guys.
Solution, don't play alone. You kill fast and kill more.
Anyway.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 06:17:48 PM
So we should sacrafaice other 2000 souls because of few who will "give it a try".
Once again some facts:
- its not 4 its 5x ONLY ON LAST FEW LEVELS
(Before that its Nightmare, Dragon, Infinity rates)
- you can sub at 76 and use premium horn for minimal loss
- whitin 20 days of CASUAL playing you can reach max level if you know how to play and where to exp.
TrackZero the mythbuster
Myth BUSTED
No, we shouldnt sacrifice 2000.
But sooner or later these 2000 will leave if we continue to change core rules or features.
I really got pissed about the sub change from 78 to 76. I deleved to 69, now i should be like 76. And i subbed one day before the change.
Anyone will help me with that exp loss? It could be nice if i got some levels back, but i think TrackZero wont return my exp.
Now the next change to help cry babies will be? Auto Learn Skills ?
Quote from: law on April 02, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
Well, i get something like 0.13~0.30% per mob in cata at lvl 70 killing lvl 66 mobs with more 2 guys.
Solution, don't play alone. You kill fast and kill more.
Anyway.
No, we shouldnt sacrifice 2000.
But sooner or later these 2000 will leave if we continue to change core rules or features.
I really got pissed about the sub change from 78 to 76. I deleved to 69, now i should be like 76. And i subbed one day before the change.
Anyone will help me with that exp loss? It could be nice if i got some levels back, but i think TrackZero wont return my exp.
Now the next change to help cry babies will be? Auto Learn Skills ?
There are no more changes, this was the max we could push.
Im trully sorry for your exp dude :(((
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 05:27:14 PM
Point is whiting 25 days and casual playing you can reach max . Everything else is myth.
And recent changes made it even more easier sub @ 76 etc...
All those people who decide to play or not to play acording the forum and opinions of few failure wouldnt join seriously (not talking about you bliz)
Depends on the class and general game knowledge. I myself prefered to focus on equip than solely xp, ending with top A within a month and a half approx, playing solo (mainly) (that means lvling the pp, the main char (tank), the spoilers, crafter etc), all this without a nuker. Thats with aprox 3-4h per day + full time/half the weekend.
That is not casual gaming, btw. When your free time is entirely playing, thats not "casual" anymore. Casual is more around 2h per day max + half a weekend max.
My point is : While I don't hate the slow grind, when you come here for the RP, you can be turned away by the rates. Choosing to make a slow grinding char in a mid-low rate server can turn most around in that situation. It also kill diversity (which then damage RP). It's more complex than : yeah rates are not that bad. Its impact vary regarding the way people decide to play the game.
Also I dunno where you got your numbers, but I'm not a myth. At least last time I checked I existed.
Quote from: Blizzer on April 02, 2014, 05:22:21 PM
30+ oldies with whom I played in past asked me about that server but when heard end rates are x4 they said 'no thanks' and I get their point. Having normal work + some kind of social life means you can spend like 3-4h max a day, so casual player needs like 4+ months to enjoy the game with finished char and by finished I mean 79 with skills, nobl and some A stuff. x15 was the best server of that community because it wasn't too fast and it wasn't too slow but with current blackmailers it won't do. This x10 idea which drake posted would be a great option and encouragement to spent a month/two on making a char and then enjoying what's the most crucial in L2 - pvping+sieges.
Before dogs start their barking - I'm 78+sub+nobl so blow me with 'omfg learn to exp' xd
If you think about it the server rate in average is 13x exp. Faster early 30x to 5x. Probably your friends would have appreciated it the other way??
Also Static sucks, minimum flow in the game experience.
Crying that people have a life isnt a valid argument. Its all about tastes. Did they try the server? Saying that stuff w/o trying the server is like saying a car sucks just because of it's cover. Also does that mean because you are playing here you are a nolife? with no job? No friends? No...
One person can like high rate pvp server, others prefer low rate with a range of different ways to experience the game.
People these days want everything in their hand, not for today, but for yesterday.
2 track. y-day 16-17 +2 gmt. dont remember exactly.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 06:17:48 PM
So we should sacrafaice other 2000 souls because of few who will "give it a try".
Once again some facts:
- its not 4 its 5x ONLY ON LAST FEW LEVELS
(Before that its Nightmare, Dragon, Infinity rates)
- you can sub at 76 and use premium horn for minimal loss
- whitin 20 days of CASUAL playing you can reach max level if you know how to play and where to exp.
TrackZero the mythbuster
Myth BUSTED
Track, for me it's fine but since they was playing on dragon x15 mostly and it was quite boring to exp there, so they was fine in the early levels when boost was x30-x20. When the lesser multiplier come they just leave, because they used to play on x20+ and then it changes to being slower and slower. Personally i don't like this dynamic rate, i would rather like something static between x10-x15. I will play here, and my friend will play here too but it's 10% from the 20 ppl that could play here.
Quote from: Mordyn on March 31, 2014, 10:20:48 PM
Lets have a serious discussion. I will later copy/paste my thoughts here. Please keep this on topic & let every player voice a serious opinion. Maybe a GM can help keep this clean.
We all want the same thing, so.... suggestions?
Write on hopzone that server buy rich arabic guy and we got new Gms xD
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 06:17:48 PM
So we should sacrafaice other 2000 souls because of few who will "give it a try".
Once again some facts:
- its not 4 its 5x ONLY ON LAST FEW LEVELS
(Before that its Nightmare, Dragon, Infinity rates)
- you can sub at 76 and use premium horn for minimal loss
- whitin 20 days of CASUAL playing you can reach max level if you know how to play and where to exp.
TrackZero the mythbuster
Myth BUSTED
2000 souls? rly?
Quote from: remeron on April 02, 2014, 08:44:30 PM
2000 souls? rly?
Actually there is over 15k active accounts usable (stats from db)
But at the same time ye it averages 2000+
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 02, 2014, 09:32:05 PM
Actually there is over 15k active accounts usable (stats from db)
But at the same time ye it averages 2000+
does that include the 500 shops and the PP/BD bot too?
Quote from: Chicks on April 02, 2014, 09:46:57 PM
does that include the 500 shops and the PP/BD bot too?
shops not included I guess,but, of the 2000, almost everyone has 1 bot, some of 'em have 2...quality crowd must be around 1000~
which means so-called 2000 can't be refered to as "souls".
Quote from: Chicks on April 02, 2014, 09:46:57 PM
does that include the 500 shops and the PP/BD bot too?
Shops excluded.
Not everyone bots by the way. And for the record if you are so strict on counting amounts , others have ~100 players then, and they write some crazy amounts.
long story short, you have <1000 players max, and thats on a good day, in the prime time..
could have been more, is alls I'm sayin..we are at least entitled to that, right?
ok../peace
If there are 2,000 people excluding shops... where are they? Every leveling zone is dead.
how about how many different IPs are logged in? EXCLUDING shops.
2,000 active players is a HUGE server.
Ofc there are no 2k ppl online, real players are maybe 700-800 in prime time, rest are off shops and boxes.
Quote from: Mordyn on April 03, 2014, 03:20:08 AM
If there are 2,000 people excluding shops... where are they? Every leveling zone is dead.
how about how many different IPs are logged in? EXCLUDING shops.
2,000 active players is a HUGE server.
i found some party weeks ago at mos/deeper pagan, i dont have clue what do they there tbh since ews is much easier to obtain than doin quest and spoil is not as good as fog/IT(which is empty as well).