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To make subclass quest is currently required 3rd class (and this will not change)
What i offer here is a change to let you subclass at lv76 (making you go back to lv40) or subclass at lv78 (again, making you go back at lv40).

Currently is lv78.
24hours for vote, enjoy!

To make it happen i require at least 70% of votes toward lv76.

although im subbed, i would say 76, maybe it's a bit easier for clanless and newcomers

I forgot to say... comments (positive/negative) are welcome.
Best with some well though considerations.

Don't touch anything about golky :). I hope there will remain 3rd class req for sub, and be 3rd class on your subclass too after u sub.

Quote from: Painkiler on April 01, 2014, 12:43:02 AM
Don't touch anything about golky :). I hope there will remain 3rd class req for sub, and be 3rd class on your subclass too after u sub.

I said nothing about it.
It means requirement as 3rd class remains and new sub will still be 3rd class. (else i would have offered a lower level choice, like subclass at lv60)

I'd prefer lower levels, thinking it is better for newcomers, however it would be extremely a dramatical change..
so, I am fine with 76....

I am subbed as well, but I believe minimum lvl for subbing should be 76 like in the old days :) Some ppl are getting bored grinding till 78 w/o any changes to their gameplay. Some ppl just do not have time, but they would still like to enjoy their 2in1 class. Those who wants to be top, are already top, and even if not, they will still try to hit 78 before subbing, so nothing will change for them. my vote goes to sub at 76

lowering the level requirement is a good idea also because players will get more time to play with their sub

subbing at 78 means they play a huge majority of the game without subclass and if they dont buy premium horn they have to spend even more time leveling without sub considering that noone wants to lose the learned skills to learn them again (SP is a big deal here, too)

while getting DNET subclass shouldnt be something easy, it is equally big with retail sub or noblesse quest, level 78 requirement with reset to level 40 was a bit of overkill

Will subbing after 76 forcefully get u to 40 or will xp after 76 stay to get u lvl's after sub?

Quote from: raptoriuss on April 01, 2014, 01:25:56 AM
Will subbing after 76 forcefully get u to 40 or will xp after 76 stay to get u lvl's after sub?

Still pushes you back to lv40.
Removing it now would be unfair for all the ones that level themselves up, even more unfair than change exp rate curve.

And would be a big slap on face of who supported us with the Premium Horn.

i mean u make sub possible at 76. but now im 78 and i go down to 40 or ill keep the xp accumulated since 76 ?

Quote from: =drake= on April 01, 2014, 01:27:44 AM
Still pushes you back to lv40.
Removing it now would be unfair for all the ones that level themselves up, even more unfair than change exp rate curve.

And would be a big slap on face of who supported us with the Premium Horn.

so dont change the rates, only ease the exp penalty of subbing?  still not fair?

Although I'm in for making it lv76, it also means that those who make sub after such change, will get 2 free levels of exp compared to me, because I subbed after 78? I mean yeah, I'm still ahead, because I'm already subbed, but still I just threw all the exp between 76 and 78 out on the window? It's a bit annoying to think about it, it is more exp than 1>76. ^^

Quote from: Abruzzi on April 01, 2014, 01:57:25 AM
Go make it 76 and we prey wolfs will finally get stacked and start pvp :)

this.

Why so much Hate to clan which is not on NO LIFE MODE like FC Cruel or Excidium? FW are just enjoying game and not spamming and crying like all of you here.
So Sad.

Yeah.... since its obvious how this will end (its like asking you want this car for 2 milions or 1 milion Euro... really... )
I will ask for some compensation for the fact that I had to pull 2 chars all the way to sub the old way, and now people are going to have it much easier so my effort went to waste.

Hell, even donated for premium horn to do so.

So what is your answer?

Quote from: Abruzzi on April 01, 2014, 01:57:25 AM
Go make it 76 and we prey wolfs will finally get stacked and start pvp :)

Not that i am defending FW bcoz i belive FI could do it by himself but you guys are overplaying with this bullying. Its greate that you are so good that you can keep in top for this 3 month but dont play a God_mode bcoz it's just looks ridiculous. Specially infront of a guys who r lower lvl/gear then you atm.

Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 02:39:41 AM
Yeah.... since its obvious how this will end (its like asking you want this car for 2 milions or 1 milion Euro... really... )
I will ask for some compensation for the fact that I had to pull 2 chars all the way to sub the old way, and now people are going to have it much easier so my effort went to waste.

Hell, even donated for premium horn to do so.

So what is your answer?

Well, compensation you got it already as being engame First compared to others thanks to your efforts.

Asking some sort of extra compensation for this change (lv78 to lv76) aint much different than asking it for buying PS4 on day1 full price and then ask compensation after 4 months when the price went lower.

Anyway... poll will stay up 24h but pretty much is obvious how is going so for extra information here how it would end up if lv76 stays on the winning side:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al15aDmbKPTTdDM1akEwTWJyZ1Rra1ZTb0kzb2s4X0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

DNsubbing anyway (no matter which horn) is not a problem. Problem is SP for all your skills.

So promise me you will not touch them. Cause then the criers that made you do this change sub, they will realize they need to farm 3x more to actually take all the skills, so when that happens, I guess you will increase the SP to 3x more as well? Hmm? Just stop making the game easier" It is so easy already. I have an entire 2 parties around me of really casual players (2-3 hours a day and not every day) subbed in A, some S and most with retail done, and someone calls this server hard.

Quote from: =drake= on April 01, 2014, 02:47:29 AM
Well, compensation you got it already as being engame First compared to others thanks to your efforts.

Asking some sort of extra compensation for this change (lv78 to lv76) aint much different than asking it for buying PS4 on day1 full price and then ask compensation after 4 months when the price went lower.

Anyway... poll will stay up 24h but pretty much is obvious how is going so for extra information here how it would end up if lv76 stays on the winning side:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al15aDmbKPTTdDM1akEwTWJyZ1Rra1ZTb0kzb2s4X0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

Should be like this from the beggining, i believe many ppl stopped to play due sick grinding to 78 and 57%

Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 02:52:10 AM
DNsubbing anyway (no matter which horn) is not a problem. Problem is SP for all your skills.

So promise me you will not touch them. Cause then the criers that made you do this change sub, they will realize they need to farm 3x more to actually take all the skills, so when that happens, I guess you will increase the SP to 3x more as well? Hmm? Just stop making the game easier" It is so easy already. I have an entire 2 parties around me of really casual players (2-3 hours a day and not every day) subbed in A, some S and most with retail done, and someone calls this server hard.

SP stay sticked to EXP rate! Thats a must and makes people think carefully which class start with (else we would have putted autolearn of all skills when you subclass).

OK they will stick to XP, so just promise you will not rise the XP. :)
And if you do say it now so I can inform people to stop exp and focus on other stuff cause it will be easier later.

Quote from: SizeMatters on April 01, 2014, 02:53:09 AM
Should be like this from the beggining, i believe many ppl stopped to play due sick grinding to 78 and 57%

this.

lv76 (like old DNET)

Old DN...things looking better now...<3 daMaN is here again dawgz

Quote from: LadyZENITH on April 01, 2014, 03:02:18 AM
And if you do say it now so I can inform people to stop exp and focus on other stuff cause it will be easier later.

Now this is a real shit, if there is a serious possibility of exp raising, you (drake) must decide really fast, because I'm pretty sure nobody who hear about it will go to exp until it's decided. And you don't want ppl to put the game aside for a while due to such reasons, who knows who comes back...

Quote from: =drake= on April 01, 2014, 02:47:29 AM
Well, compensation you got it already as being engame First compared to others thanks to your efforts.

Asking some sort of extra compensation for this change (lv78 to lv76) aint much different than asking it for buying PS4 on day1 full price and then ask compensation after 4 months when the price went lower.

Anyway... poll will stay up 24h but pretty much is obvious how is going so for extra information here how it would end up if lv76 stays on the winning side:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al15aDmbKPTTdDM1akEwTWJyZ1Rra1ZTb0kzb2s4X0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

+1

My vote was cast on lv76 (like old DNET). This is a good idea. It is too hard to go lvl 78 50% in order to not losing skills. Maybe others will threat this as shit because they can make lvl 79 in 1-3 days. Yes you are because ur char is mage or destro. Try support, archer or tank then we will talk.

I thought it was already working like that right now lol

If you will change like old DN sub premium horn will be deleted?Those who will get sub at 76 with premium they will keep their lvl on 76 right???

Quote from: Aquifel on April 01, 2014, 04:12:10 AM
If you will change like old DN sub premium horn will be deleted?Those who will get sub at 76 with premium they will keep their lvl on 76 right???

the second.

Like on old DNET

for all people with a job and everyone who haven´t much time to play (also with real life :) its hard enough to exp even till 76 and sub.

for example i will need if this xp/sp rates will stay and sub on 78 around 2-5 months to finish my char (nobless not included)... and i´m not alone with that.
This is a reason to leave here for any ppl if nothing will be changed.

PS: Czenky if you want to say again that ppl who havent time to play are useless on this server or just farmers, so bit** please realy we dont give a fu** about your oppinion in that :)

Best regards Blackbeard

Decide on a more welcoming exp rate.

I have 11 hours and 40 minutes play time, all of which I have been grinding with clan hall buffs. I am level 50.

Quote from: Garn. on April 01, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
although im subbed, i would say 76, maybe it's a bit easier for clanless and newcomers

This.

Quote from: Mordyn on April 01, 2014, 07:40:07 AM
Decide on a more welcoming exp rate.

I have 11 hours and 40 minutes play time, all of which I have been grinding with clan hall buffs. I am level 50.

Are u kidding ? are u playing pp/bishop?
I made lvl 54 in 7hours with archer!





Im voting about Old system - as it is 3rd class in 76 let people have it in 76 - I made chars like that in dragon all the time develed to 40 and made my way to top

Quote from: Mordyn on April 01, 2014, 07:40:07 AM
Decide on a more welcoming exp rate.

I have 11 hours and 40 minutes play time, all of which I have been grinding with clan hall buffs. I am level 50.

Dude srsly?? If ur counting ur play time like a job then you shoul stop playing. Either you enjoy it or you dont. Rly do urself a favor and enjoy the game the way it is...

Quote from: =drake= on April 01, 2014, 02:47:29 AM
Well, compensation you got it already as being engame First compared to others thanks to your efforts.

Asking some sort of extra compensation for this change (lv78 to lv76) aint much different than asking it for buying PS4 on day1 full price and then ask compensation after 4 months when the price went lower.

Anyway... poll will stay up 24h but pretty much is obvious how is going so for extra information here how it would end up if lv76 stays on the winning side:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al15aDmbKPTTdDM1akEwTWJyZ1Rra1ZTb0kzb2s4X0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

What kind of lvl I need to turn my subclass to lvl 78?

Quote from: Mordyn on April 01, 2014, 07:40:07 AM
Decide on a more welcoming exp rate.

I have 11 hours and 40 minutes play time, all of which I have been grinding with clan hall buffs. I am level 50.

ive made 40->75 on necro in 2days +- 20hours of grind on ch buff + bd box. 20hours to almost ENDGAME.  l2p sir

These ppls vote for sub at 78 is bot program users and want be so hard for the others.76 lvl sub it's good for all and no one will leave.also new ppl will come.

Quote from: kostsuba on April 01, 2014, 11:34:15 AM
These ppls vote for sub at 78 is bot program users and want be so hard for the others.76 lvl sub it's good for all and no one will leave.also new ppl will come.

As i can see, it will be clearly lv76,ill speak with drake to enable it asap.

it should stay how its now, u will bring hate again if u change something ingame for those 10% crying players on forum..

Quote from: Ellesime on April 01, 2014, 12:04:37 PM
it should stay how its now, u will bring hate again if u change something ingame for those 10% crying players on forum..

Except sub at 76 theres no other major changes.

Regarding rates:  " ive made 40->75 on necro in 2days +- 20hours of grind on ch buff + bd box. 20hours to almost ENDGAME."

Considering 1-40 takes what , 7 hours? i would say even you play casually youll reach top in like what 10-15 days? So what "LOW" rate we talk about actually?....

Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
Except sub at 76 theres no other major changes..

so still ppl have to reach 79lv and 50% - to stack on 78lv ? nothing changed with amount exp we have to earn if good understand,

just gaved my opinion about such changes ofc u will do whatever u want..

So it's live we can substack at lvl 76?

can we please have instant update on changelog or here when the sub system changes are live :)

Quote from: raptoriuss on April 01, 2014, 01:55:24 PM
can we please have instant update on changelog or here when the sub system changes are live :)

Once is active it will be announced of course.

Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
Except sub at 76 theres no other major changes.

Regarding rates:  " ive made 40->75 on necro in 2days +- 20hours of grind on ch buff + bd box. 20hours to almost ENDGAME."

Considering 1-40 takes what , 7 hours? i would say even you play casually youll reach top in like what 10-15 days? So what "LOW" rate we talk about actually?....

Will you change exp?

So if we sub 76, we get 40, now if this new system is implemented, if we sub at 78, will we get more exp then before?

Quote from: NunoPitbull on April 01, 2014, 03:20:25 PM
Will you change exp?

So if we sub 76, we get 40, now if this new system is implemented, if we sub at 78, will we get more exp then before?

read the whole thing bro.

Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on April 01, 2014, 01:56:16 PM
Once is active it will be announced of course.

+/- ? xd

Quote from: felo41 on April 01, 2014, 04:02:09 PM
+/- ? xd

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