I have to admit that .expoff was great idea, but I think you could improve it. In my opinion chars which has .expoff turned on shouldn't be counted in exp sharing while in party. It would be more fair. People are exping with BD/SWS in party just for dances/song, it sux that BD/SWS still steal exp. This command should stop it. Just turn .expoff command on on your box and whole exp goes to your main char. I think it's possible to make. I'd like to see other's opinions about that. I think this command should be for this also.
.partyexpoff mayb i think is good idea
And could be abused to use single target powerlevel by destro or nuker party.
Quote from: Painkiler on May 04, 2014, 01:21:50 PM
And could be abused to use single target powerlevel by destro or nuker party.
how can be abused? is the same as expell members from pt and staying with 1 friend or turn exp off in pt
No, it's not the same.
Quote from: Painkiler on May 04, 2014, 02:22:54 PM
No, it's not the same.
so then explain how is not the same
Guys I think you don't understand me :).
I mean this:
1) You go exp with your main char and eg BD as a box
2) BD steals exp so you active .expoff for this char
3) Now your main char gets full exp
At this time it's working that way:
1) You go exp with your main and box
2) Box steals exp so you activate .expoff
3) Box's exp meter doesn't increase (that's normal ofc), but the exp is still shared between two characters.
Everything clear now?
Quote from: Undead_Charlie on May 04, 2014, 02:36:20 PM
Guys I think you don't understand me :).
I mean this:
1) You go exp with your main char and eg BD as a box
2) BD steals exp so you active .expoff for this char
3) Now your main char gets full exp
At this time it's working that way:
1) You go exp with your main and box
2) Box steals exp so you activate .expoff
3) Box's exp meter doesn't increase (that's normal ofc), but the exp is still shared between two characters.
Everything clear now?
Yeah, and what's the diffrence of abuse:
U go pt with destro and full support, they do .expoff and u get fullexp from x6 mobs
or
U go 9players pt with nukers and support, they do .expoff and u get incredibly amount of exp in short time.
Quote from: Undead_Charlie on May 04, 2014, 02:36:20 PM
Guys I think you don't understand me :).
I mean this:
1) You go exp with your main char and eg BD as a box
2) BD steals exp so you active .expoff for this char
3) Now your main char gets full exp
At this time it's working that way:
1) You go exp with your main and box
2) Box steals exp so you activate .expoff
3) Box's exp meter doesn't increase (that's normal ofc), but the exp is still shared between two characters.
Everything clear now?
y is the same way i think : P
You can't go with milion boxes... And if you have friends willing to exp you what's the problem?
if everyone in pt do exp off u wont get any exp
the idea is to share not to turn off so other can get
at least the one who farm will had to use exp on to share with party
otherwise if the one who farm have exp off pt memeber wont get exp
am i wrong? he only want to cut exp drain from support and i understand what he means
U're wrong.
Yes, I want to cut the exp drain from support. As the name says it's just support, I don't to make it 80 lvl. And if I change my mind I can always use .expon command, there's no problem.
.expoff is for certain low-lvl drops and spoils only...
tweaks that would benefit bot-users or that would even promote bot-using should not be taken into consideration....but hey, thats just me...
he think if u go with 6 ppl party and they do exp off u will get exp x6 (powerlevel)
i understand what u mean, since is a pain to exp up...
the only place i get good exp is with PT and trains in cata/necro
any other tryout to exp in pt or not in pt is horrid slow... this started to be pain at lvl 60 more or less
so if i have in pt bd, sws, pp and orc from clan/ally
bd,sws,pp make party exp off
i will get exp shared from orc like if i was in pt only with orc
understand what we want and dont say NO NO NO like u have a reason bcz u dont !
Quote from: remeron on May 04, 2014, 02:57:32 PM
.expoff is for certain low-lvl drops and spoils only...
tweaks that would benefit bot-users or that would even promote bot-using should not be taken into consideration....but hey, thats just me...
I'm talking about situations when you exp with 1 box, what's allowed. There are bot protections on the server
Quote from: HerrMayer on May 04, 2014, 03:01:17 PM
he think if u go with 6 ppl party and they do exp off u will get exp x6 (powerlevel)
i understand what u mean, since is a pain to exp up...
the only place i get good exp is with PT and trains in cata/necro
any other tryout to exp in pt or not in pt is horrid slow... this started to be pain at lvl 60 more or less
so if i have in pt bd, sws, pp and orc from clan/ally
bd,sws,pp make party exp off
i will get exp shared from orc like if i was in pt only with orc
understand what we want and dont say NO NO NO like u have a reason bcz u dont !
Yes, I think so, bcz THEY ARE FCKIN SUPPORTS and they don't need lvl. And I don't want it only for me, everyone would be happier when exping.
i feel like never reaching lvl 76 XP
and if i exp solo ( as is common for me to play ) will be expecting lilmayer adventurer for year 2016
xP
Quote from: Undead_Charlie on May 04, 2014, 03:06:52 PM
I'm talking about situations when you exp with 1 box, what's allowed. There are bot protections on the server
that's right it's an allowance, but that's it...what you are asking for is another allowance, which encourages bot-using, you wanna bot instead of partying with other ppl? fine, but you gotta pay your dues...
besides, every once in a while I see poor bd /sws char-users shouting for pt in giran, I feel sorry for em...that's why I am against the idea...
Quote from: HerrMayer on May 04, 2014, 03:12:59 PM
i feel like never reaching lvl 76 XP
and if i exp solo ( as is common for me to play ) will be expecting lilmayer adventurer for year 2016
xP
I exp solo too. I have BD and it's annoying that I have to share exp with my support when I don't give a f**k about his lvl. Just need dances. It would be way better if it work like I explained earlier.
Quote from: remeron on May 04, 2014, 03:15:02 PM
that's right it's an allowance, but that's it...what you are asking for is another allowance, which encourages bot-using, you wanna bot instead of partying with other ppl? fine, but you gotta pay your dues...
besides, every once in a while I see poor bd /sws char-users shouting for pt in giran, I feel sorry for em...that's why I am against the idea...
Lol, they still can find party and they don't need to use .expoff if they want exp... You are talking about the bots all the time, man, there is very little amount of bots on this server, bcz of protections. I don't want it to bot, I just don't want to share MY EXP with MY BD as box. Does it hurt anyone? Don't think so...
for example
have pp lvl 78 with pof and want to exp lower char like lvl 50
how can in pt if it will drain all exp bcz high lvl
( will be making /invite every 4 mins to buff POF ??? cmon... )
best option could be .partyexpoff
Quote from: HerrMayer on May 04, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
for example
have pp lvl 78 with pof and want to exp lower char like lvl 50
how can in pt if it will drain all exp bcz high lvl
( will be making /invite every 4 mins to buff POF ??? cmon... )
best option could be .partyexpoff
That's what I mean, same situation is with dances. Your .partyexpoff or improve .expoff working is good solution for all of us.
Quote from: Undead_Charlie on May 04, 2014, 03:20:02 PM
I exp solo too. I have BD and it's annoying that I have to share exp with my support when I don't give a f**k about his lvl. Just need dances. It would be way better if it work like I explained earlier.
Lol, they still can find party and they don't need to use .expoff if they want exp... You are talking about the bots all the time, man, there is very little amount of bots on this server, bcz of protections. I don't want it to bot, I just don't want to share MY EXP with MY BD as box. Does it hurt anyone? Don't think so...
why are u repeating the same stuff over and over again?... what u are asking is simple to understand.....
I just said I am against the idea and gave my reason...thats it...
(and I want 3 bots behind me to exp..
"does it hurt anyone? don't think so")
Quote from: HerrMayer on May 04, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
for example
have pp lvl 78 with pof and want to exp lower char like lvl 50
how can in pt if it will drain all exp bcz high lvl
( will be making /invite every 4 mins to buff POF ??? cmon... )
best option could be .partyexpoff
and since when u need to be in party for pof.......
Just zerk every 4 min so you dont waste time in pt for pof :P
Quote from: Undead_Charlie on May 04, 2014, 03:06:52 PM
Yes, I think so, bcz THEY ARE FCKIN SUPPORTS and they don't need lvl. And I don't want it only for me, everyone would be happier when exping.
Support is a role in L2 with all it's drawbacks and benefits. On such a server like DN, subclass system makes it possible to cut the drawbacks of the support role (so they can sub DD classes while still keeping the buffs), which leads to a more enjoyable game experience, which allows more ppl to play supports.
If you wish to have dances:
1. Get a dancer from clan/giran/whatever, and help him exping, while you get the dances which makes you faster.
2. Get a dancer from dual box, and don't cry if you have to kick/inv it every 2 minutes.
For powerlevel, try 5000x servers, the current rate is already laughable, lv1>78 is 1 weekend if you know how to exp.
10x and still low cannot xp with supports cus there is not enough xp for party T.T plz track should resing another xp poll!
Reasonable people said it all already, so since this idea is a very bad idea, a hint for dual boxing newbs: work out the macros - you can set it up all efficiently to just 2 clicks (invite, buff, target, follow, leave) what makes keeping even BD/SWS outside party a piece of cake.
or just enjoying party with farmfest pve forever, the biggest problem is here not the xp rate and party xp, its u cant stop farm..
and dont move ur asses at epics
over 30 clan on the server and probably only 2-3pt cares epics
Quote from: Zibo on May 05, 2014, 12:02:04 AM
Reasonable people said it all already, so since this idea is a very bad idea, a hint for dual boxing newbs: work out the macros - you can set it up all efficiently to just 2 clicks (invite, buff, target, follow, leave) what makes keeping even BD/SWS outside party a piece of cake.
You still have to accept party invitation
Quote from: Undead_Charlie on May 05, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
You still have to accept party invitation
That's why it's called dual box, and not l2walker.
lv74,00>lv75,00 is ~4 bufftime now in duo, I'm pretty sure ppl can either get an active support to exp with, or leave the box in pt. If this rate is still low, then you can accept party every 2 minutes, or /uninstall, anyhow, these topics should be considered as spam.
I would like that .expoff or maybe other command to remove sharing of party xp for that character.
What is the problem with power level? If I go with my clan mates and they are lvl 80 already, they don't need anymore xp, so what's the problem if they want to help me get lvl faster?
+1 to remove sharing for .expoff characters. (just my opinion)
Quote from: Tijs on May 06, 2014, 03:11:18 PM
I would like that .expoff or maybe other command to remove sharing of party xp for that character.
What is the problem with power level? If I go with my clan mates and they are lvl 80 already, they don't need anymore xp, so what's the problem if they want to help me get lvl faster?
+1 to remove sharing for .expoff characters. (just my opinion)
Going out of town and killing 5 mobs is already power leveling on the current rates, don't make the GMs work on pointless things.
Quote from: Csenky on May 06, 2014, 04:45:15 PM
Going out of town and killing 5 mobs is already power leveling on the current rates, don't make the GMs work on pointless things.
If you have 2-3h per day to play, you would like that time to focus on pvp/bosses/rift/PI, not getting xp everyday ...
As I said it's just my opinion and I would like that way.
Quote from: Tijs on May 06, 2014, 05:07:22 PM
If you have 2-3h per day to play, you would like that time to focus on pvp/bosses/rift/PI, not getting xp everyday ...
As I said it's just my opinion and I would like that way.
1>40: ~1h
40>52: ~40 mins
52>61: ~2h
61>70: ~3h-4h (or even less, if you have aoe skills - sorc/sps/glad/wl)
70>76: ~5-6h
Yea, please tell me you have no time to exp.
2h/day = 2 weeks for a character, counting pauses, GK and shopping times etc. If you think
2 weeks is too much for a character
for a casual player, this isn't a game for you.
PS.: I was counting with decent buffs, which isn't hard to get if you have some friends or a normal clan.
edit.: PS2.: I was counting 2-3 man normal party, this exp is A LOT faster with a destro making trains from lv40.
Quote from: Csenky on May 06, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
1>40: ~1h
40>52: ~40 mins
52>61: ~2h
61>70: ~3h-4h (or even less, if you have aoe skills - sorc/sps/glad/wl)
70>76: ~5-6h
Yea, please tell me you have no time to exp.
2h/day = 2 weeks for a character, counting pauses, GK and shopping times etc. If you think 2 weeks is too much for a character for a casual player, this isn't a game for you.
PS.: I was counting with decent buffs, which isn't hard to get if you have some friends or a normal clan.
edit.: PS2.: I was counting 2-3 man normal party, this exp is A LOT faster with a destro making trains from lv40.
Cmon ... you lie a lot!!! That's not even 50% true. When it was last time when you Leveled up? Who will stay for you with support char to level up?
I can promisse you I was full buff with destro in catacombs few days ago, you lose much more time then you say there. Don't say things like this. I would like to see you making 61->70 with any dps class, or 70->76 in 5-6h.
Stop arguing this. I just said my opinion and you are totally wrong about times to level up. Lie in other topic (as you said before in 14h +3h time spent on travel etc.. you will make 76 lvl ... And this is totally false!)
Quote from: Csenky on May 06, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
1>40: ~1h
40>52: ~40 mins
52>61: ~2h
61>70: ~3h-4h (or even less, if you have aoe skills - sorc/sps/glad/wl)
70>76: ~5-6h
Yea, please tell me you have no time to exp.
2h/day = 2 weeks for a character, counting pauses, GK and shopping times etc. If you think 2 weeks is too much for a character for a casual player, this isn't a game for you.
PS.: I was counting with decent buffs, which isn't hard to get if you have some friends or a normal clan.
edit.: PS2.: I was counting 2-3 man normal party, this exp is A LOT faster with a destro making trains from lv40.
Dream on and stop psychedelics.
Quote from: Csenky on May 06, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
1>40: ~1h
40>52: ~40 mins
52>61: ~2h
61>70: ~3h-4h (or even less, if you have aoe skills - sorc/sps/glad/wl)
70>76: ~5-6h
Yea, please tell me you have no time to exp.
2h/day = 2 weeks for a character, counting pauses, GK and shopping times etc. If you think 2 weeks is too much for a character for a casual player, this isn't a game for you.
PS.: I was counting with decent buffs, which isn't hard to get if you have some friends or a normal clan.
edit.: PS2.: I was counting 2-3 man normal party, this exp is A LOT faster with a destro making trains from lv40.
Okay, tell me what im doing wrong exping on VoS as archer and making 40-50%/hour at 69lvl with pp on my back, so let's say 60-70% solo?
Dear Staff,
This thread is an indisputable proof, that no matter what change you will make to simplify/ease/make completely trivial one aspect of the game, whines won't stop - they will cry a rivers to be it even faster, more and easier. This is our present community, sadly.
Dear newbs,
Sincerely, GTFO to truly high rate server if you think that it's fine when you can make 60->80 in 2-3h. You don't know how to exp or you can't stand hitting mobs for more than 30min? Quit that game - if you will level faster you will be same unequipped noob that you have been on lower levels. You think you deserve Horn for free and can't gather pathetic 200kk for it? Quit the game already.
The times that Csenky posted are very close to the truth and I can confirm that I've just made loldagger (slow as hell compared to all the destros, mages, archers and AoE characters) in very similar times till level 64 so far.
Seriously great idea to make all players even, where one part actually worked for it and second only whined on forum pretending to be super busy businessmen that can spend only 10min per day for L2.
Learn to play or go away.
Quote from: Tijs on May 06, 2014, 07:06:44 PM
Cmon ... you lie a lot!!! That's not even 50% true. When it was last time when you Leveled up? Who will stay for you with support char to level up?
I can promisse you I was full buff with destro in catacombs few days ago, you lose much more time then you say there. Don't say things like this. I would like to see you making 61->70 with any dps class, or 70->76 in 5-6h.
Stop arguing this. I just said my opinion and you are totally wrong about times to level up. Lie in other topic (as you said before in 14h +3h time spent on travel etc.. you will make 76 lvl ... And this is totally false!)
Ok.
Lv40 > 50 = 25 mins in Aligator island. done it today in duo.
Lv50 > 52 = 15 mins anywhere, doesn't matter (north of ivory, cemetery, w/e)
Lv52 > 58 = few bufftimes in first room GC (maybe better hit 53 where you did 52, not much herb in GC on 52)
Lv58 > 61 = ~2-3 bufftime in Ancient battleground
I'm here with the retail that I started today few hours ago.
For the higher levels: Lv 74>75 complete level was 3 buff times in Silent Valley 2 days ago, I don't think it changed much. Lv 75>76 is like 4-5 buff times.
oh boy, I like these replies when you have no idea what are you doing, I've done all what I wrote since the 10x rate is live.
Quote from: Csenky on May 06, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
1>40: ~1h
40>52: ~40 mins
52>61: ~2h
61>70: ~3h-4h (or even less, if you have aoe skills - sorc/sps/glad/wl)
70>76: ~5-6h
Yea, please tell me you have no time to exp.
2h/day = 2 weeks for a character, counting pauses, GK and shopping times etc. If you think 2 weeks is too much for a character for a casual player, this isn't a game for you.
PS.: I was counting with decent buffs, which isn't hard to get if you have some friends or a normal clan.
edit.: PS2.: I was counting 2-3 man normal party, this exp is A LOT faster with a destro making trains from lv40.
40 to 76 I counted 13 hours, with 5x rate would've been 26 hours, to lvl 80 lets just say 1 week....yea that would change things a lot...pls stop with the rate issue already, answer isn't in the rates....
not everyone play l2 in hardcore mode like u supposedly do..and believe me that's not a virtue...
and stop with the "this isn't a game for you" bullsh1t...grow up...I don't think u are any smarter than anyone in here..
and obviously this demand here won't be implemented...
Yanno.. you kids argue over the stupidest things. This is actually a pretty neat idea. (With no downside to it, at all) If there was any consideration/poll for this, I'd definitely back it.
But, as always.. the ridiculous arguments have started & this thread will soon be locked.
Quote from: remeron on May 06, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
40 to 76 I counted 13 hours, with 5x rate would've been 26 hours, to lvl 80 lets just say 1 week....yea that would change things a lot...pls stop with the rate issue already, answer isn't in the rates....
not everyone play l2 in hardcore mode like u supposedly do..and believe me that's not a virtue...
and stop with the "this isn't a game for you" bullsh1t...grow up...I don't think u are any smarter than anyone in here..
and obviously this demand here won't be implemented...
Right, I wouldn't say I'm smarter than others. But you know, when there are hundreds of ppl enjoy doing something, and I don't enjoy it, I'm not running to the forums to ask for changes just for myself, or even for 5-10 players I have spoken with.
I have a job, I'm not playing 'hardcore'. About 4-6 hours a day.
Exactly, the rate is not an issue. Still, even when it's 13-15h to make a char (~2 weeks for casual), there are still new and new complaints about the exp (asking for the support to not leech the exp is the same as asking for higher rate - ppl want exp faster). And this will never end, here comes the issue I'm trying to address with my presence here: these players who are always crying for more and more easy-mode features and higher rates will never stop. If 1 mob would give lv80 instantly, I bet my whole account, they would ask to get lv80 on first login without touching mobs. And this retarded begging on new topics ~everyday is,
- Keeping the staff busy for no reason. (reading, answering, testing, modfying)
- Annoying the actual players.
- Scaring away new players.
Quote from: Csenky on May 07, 2014, 12:33:08 AM
- Keeping the staff busy for no reason. (reading, answering, testing, modfying)
hey there forum fighter, got news for you...
you aren't helping with the situation yourself with your unbearably long empty rhetorics..
and here is a little fun-fact; you are whining over whiners more than the whiners do...
I am out...GN
Quote from: remeron on May 07, 2014, 12:49:42 AM
hey there forum fighter, got news for you...
you aren't helping with the situation yourself with your unbearably long empty rhetorics..
and here is a little fun-fact; you are whining over whiners more than the whiners do...
I am out...GN
Forum fighter? With 200 posts over 8 years? mkay ;>
Yep, I'm whining, because the majority of them are either 8y old wow players, or obvious trolls. And they might be great in a statistic perspective for the server in numbers, but I'm still not sure if we need them to spam the forum with their trash. When trash covers the few interesting/good ideas, they just get lost. But I found a solution, check it in Tijs' topic "Suggestions Section".
Well you are the proof that I'm doing it nicely, you are still reading my posts (many idiots are ignored by almost everyone :), and I didn't give up on you. I still believe you might get my point one day - I let you be my personal hater until that day.
Quote from: Csenky on May 07, 2014, 01:01:53 AM
Forum fighter? With 200 posts over 8 years? mkay ;>
well, seems you are frequenting forum only recently, which means I can call you that
so, from now on, you shall be named "the forum fighter"...