Since the last one got closed for the flaming reasons, I'm now posting it in Flame ON section.
I have to say that I really enjoy playing here, having good time with my party, laughs etc... But what is missing is pvp... ON A PVP SERVER...
I am not quite sure how people become so scared of leaving town with main chars. Also we've seen in last couple of days that members of one of 2 big clans started leaving clan so that they can farm chimera spot without war penalty. What is this shit? You are farming stuff to get your char stronger, to be able to pvp better, and this farming will go on and on, and your main char will never be 100% full... so it means you will never get out and pvp? Even if you do manage to get full gear/enchants and whatnot, what will happen then? You will find nobody on those open world spots, because everyone finished their chars! Nobody is farming anything anymore, and will be just empty talk in towns how they are looking for pvps etc. This game is really a farm game, means farming is one of the biggest factor that will stimulate pvp. As long as there is some objective and resource to be fought for, the server and community will be alive. And the moment you stop caring how to build party for certain event things will go down. How it's supposed to work according to some logic of mine? You group with your party, go to the spot where you usually farm and enemies are there. What you do? Kill them and continue your routine. They come again, possibly bring some more people if they can't win in previous setup and pvp grows larger and larger, and everyone has great action! But how it actually happens now? The part when you go there and see enemies there, you try 1 pvp, no matter who won soe to town is inevitable, cause you will return with your clanless character to avoid wars. (or don't even fight back 1 time, who cares to lose time for it when you could've gotten some serious drops without being harassed by enemies)
I don't know, maybe you guys enjoy this way of playing, but what is the point of it at the end of the day? Everyone here, as I recall, was hungry for pvp and for opening of this server - TO HAVE PVPS. And now, we see countless of excuses to not join in pvp...
Tbh +1 for clan MostHated. Guys are clearly behind our clan/party in terms of gear and some actions in numbers, but they hardly give up and you can always find them outside on main chars and with war tag. To others, grow your clans, grow your balls and let's see the action that we were promised when we joined this server!
Discuss. Start flaming.
QuoteWhat about people stop fighting on forum and just play? Let the game itself make natural selection...leave forum to be support place.
Dont make things bigger than they are already, let others to grow. Anyway this is just another topic what is older chicken or the egg...
I am from Fear clan. If you'd log sometimes you'd know that this clan is always looking for pvp, and not fighting on forum, get your facts straight.
Letting enemies grow? How long? Everyone was spamming during the beta that we shouldn't test +30 skills and dynasty gear etc cause we will not have that on live... Guess what, we already have the most of it. And it's not like we are playing 24/7 to get advantages over our enemies, we play 3h a day, we even stream it so there are material evidences to support this claim. And if 3h a day isn't how casuals play I don't know what it is...
QuoteYou cant force people to pvp until they believe they are ready to pvp. There is pvp and there will be pvp, just give it time situation on server is warming up! Afterall not even 2 months passed guys...
Again, what warm up? I haven't been avoiding pvp even leveling 1-78 without sub or skills, what more do you need to pvp, everyone is in S grade already with some really shiny weapons and rb jewels... Mark my words, once people get FULL gear they will have no reason to leave town and pvps won't even happen. On sieges already nobody is coming, so I don't know, make 1 castle only siegeable?
QuoteI will lock this topic since it will become a flame-troll-insult place which will only drain our energy.
Cya in game
Yeah, thanks for having absolute no respect for my time writing this post in order to motivate people. If it's not all rainbow and happiness bullshit opinions get silenced, even tho you claim that you support pvp on this server.
Once again, I'm not saying that server is dead, I'm just saying that PVP IS MISSING ON A PVP SERVER, and it's only community's fault.
So lets ban players who dont pvp?
Would you pvp if you are not in "big" clan?
Would you pvp if not ready yet?
Does other servers have discussions like this, do they allow negative topics regarding their server?
Do you think that other servers have pvp 24/7 even x99999999 ones?
Im sorry but your comment doesnt stand.
Speaking of respect, i didnt delete your post i just locked it to prevent incoming shitrain.
Anyway, you wanted it, there you go. Enjoy democratic forum.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on November 21, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
So lets ban players who dont pvp?
Would you pvp if you are not in "big" clan?
Would you pvp if not ready yet?
Does other servers have discussions like this, do they allow negative topics regarding their server?
Do you think that other servers have pvp 24/7 even x99999999 ones?
Im sorry but your comment doesnt stand.
Speaking of respect, i didnt delete your post i just locked it to prevent incoming shitrain.
Anyway, you wanted it, there you go. Enjoy democratic forum.
Actually, until this server, I was mostly playing in group with 1 friend with boxed buffers, and believe me I never avoided pvp even in those scenarios. Maybe I wasn't killing many epics that way, but wiping 1 party with 2 guys was always tasting sweet.
I don't see this as a negative comment, rather I find it as global question for other players and for their opinions on how long do they need before they start pvping here. And why would you care about what other servers allow and what not? This only means that YOU have this point of view regarding freedom of speech and that's some really regressive point of view which will not give you respect of players nor good publicity.
And I'm not even looking for a shitrain, I truly want to know people's opinion about this matter.
Sometimes leave town for pvp without full set-up with 2 bishops and 2 elders and I bet you'll find more actions ::)
Quote from: Blizzer on November 21, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
Sometimes leave town for pvp without full set-up with 2 bishops and 2 elders and I bet you'll find more actions ::)
Yeah sure, pm me with location and I'll be there. Only places I find people outside is Pagan and Rift, where unfortunately I can't hit them 8)
Quote from: Blizzer on November 21, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
Sometimes leave town for pvp without full set-up with 2 bishops and 2 elders and I bet you'll find more actions ::)
Quote from: Garro on November 21, 2015, 10:45:05 AM
I'm really expecting something more intelligent than this answer, new excuse is that your enemy is well prepared so that's why no pvp? LOL
Quote from: Blizzer on November 21, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
Sometimes leave town for pvp without full set-up with 2 bishops and 2 elders and I bet you'll find more actions ::)
2 vs 6?7?9? dunno
http://i.imgur.com/mURxCgB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yOBIwHP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5iOPGUG.jpg
This is just from last days, ppl came once and then i saw only clanless orcs running.
Dont even dare to touch "you dont leave town without bla bla" part
Watch stream next time when we move on 2 box and 1 bp only, still 0 enemies pops up.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on November 21, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
So lets ban players who dont pvp?
Would you pvp if you are not in "big" clan?
Would you pvp if not ready yet?
Does other servers have discussions like this, do they allow negative topics regarding their server?
Do you think that other servers have pvp 24/7 even x99999999 ones?
Im sorry but your comment doesnt stand.
Speaking of respect, i didnt delete your post i just locked it to prevent incoming shitrain.
Anyway, you wanted it, there you go. Enjoy democratic forum.
It is not any kind of problem GMs can solve, it just to show ppl how wrong their mentality is. I can understand they will not want to fight some one fully geared party, but that doesnt mean pvp have to be equal, spots on chimeras are enough big so if one party takes one spot, come with 2 pt and wipe them simple as that. Right now they will log clanless orcs and just try to farm...
Quote from: Blizzer on November 21, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
Sometimes leave town for pvp without full set-up with 2 bishops and 2 elders and I bet you'll find more actions ::)
that might have sense
during our CP time there is no enemies in the entire world of hellraiser (except pagan and rift) - dunno where are they hidding
otherwise revel is killing them alone (1vs5 / 2vs7...)
Only MH have balls to do not leave clan for some exp at HB and make some PvP
Quote from: stanko on November 21, 2015, 11:12:46 AM
I'm really expecting something more intelligent than this answer, new excuse is that your enemy is well prepared so that's why no pvp? LOL
Dude, you are well prepared only from 8pm to 11pm. Each person from ur CP isnt leaving a town when u don't have full party ready to roll out. Don't expect much at this time when ppl are already bored of farming/pvping all day long. There is much more fun during the full day than only in late hours. Specially if most of ppl are working on the next day so they wont sit infront of the monitor till 12pm and fights with u, when they are going to work at 5 am next day. You werent so rush in pvp at yesterdays Antharas didnt you? Somehow Exci were ready to fight with 3 pties at 5pm but your main CP wasnt ready so u didnt even show up (Lets don't count IRA standing inside and counting mins...)
Simply stop waiting for rest of ur 8ppl from CP and leave a town with rest of ur clan members.
Sadly i have to agree with Eon (and Kalineaa)
Hellraiser is a PVP server but:
Sieges - do not exist
Oly - do not exist
Random PVPs - hard to find
Random mass PvP - last one and the ONLY ONE was made on Varka thx to killerororor stream (and the one on arcanas - garro/sixytouch movies*)
Imo there should be only two siegeable castles.
1st sieges were fun. But know when each of top clans have castle, it is dead.
Quote from: Vendettacz on November 21, 2015, 11:34:41 AM
Imo there should be only two siegeable castles.
1st sieges were fun. But know when each of top clans have castle, it is dead.
Thats what ive said on day 1, but topics like this forced the change.
Imo we should wipe all 4 and re-open 2 only.
Quote from: Garro on November 21, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
Dude, you are well prepared only from 8pm to 11pm. Each person from ur CP isnt leaving a town when u don't have full party ready to roll out. Don't expect much at this time when ppl are already bored of farming/pvping all day long. There is much more fun during the full day than only in late hours. Specially if most of ppl are working on the next day so they wont sit infront of the monitor till 12pm and fights with u, when they are going to work at 5 am next day. You werent so rush in pvp at yesterdays Antharas didnt you? Somehow Exci were ready to fight with 3 pties at 5pm but your main CP wasnt ready so u didnt even show up (Lets don't count IRA standing inside and counting mins...)
Simply stop waiting for rest of ur 8ppl from CP and leave a town with rest of ur clan members.
you should write some book: "Best excuses - by Garro"
I agree with you - ppl have work and they back home at 3/4pm then they spend some time with familly and at evening they want to relax so they log IG to have some fun
Yesterday's anthy ? kurwa what are you talking about ? what rush ? there wasnt a single action right there ? you just logged a little bit earlier then us and went inside to kill it. THAT IS A WHOLE STORY
and a day before anthy had spawn at 1am - it was obvious that no1 gonna come
Quote from: Garro on November 21, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
Dude, you are well prepared only from 8pm to 11pm. Each person from ur CP isnt leaving a town when u don't have full party ready to roll out. Don't expect much at this time when ppl are already bored of farming/pvping all day long. There is much more fun during the full day than only in late hours. Specially if most of ppl are working on the next day so they wont sit infront of the monitor till 12pm and fights with u, when they are going to work at 5 am next day. You werent so rush in pvp at yesterdays Antharas didnt you? Somehow Exci were ready to fight with 3 pties at 5pm but your main CP wasnt ready so u didnt even show up (Lets don't count IRA standing inside and counting mins...)
Simply stop waiting for rest of ur 8ppl from CP and leave a town with rest of ur clan members.
As you already said, people are working during the day, when they come home from work they log. We are grouping at 6-7 pm and then we leave town. I really dunno about this nice action during the day since I was online this week even in the morning and the only actions that actually happen is periodical heal on -insert rb name here-, until people actually group and kill it with 3-4-5 orcs.
And where are all these small groups of people, 1 party clans? Only one more group actually can be found outside, FinalFate, but I guess war from them will be coming soon, in 2017.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on November 21, 2015, 11:36:50 AM
Thats what ive said on day 1, but topics like this forced the change.
Imo we should wipe all 4 and re-open 2 only.
Do it.
Just talk to CLs from Fear, 108d, Excidium, Enclave (1pt clan) and i bet, they would agree.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on November 21, 2015, 11:36:50 AM
Thats what ive said on day 1, but topics like this forced the change.
Imo we should wipe all 4 and re-open 2 only.
Agree
IMO: Sieges should looks like
Week 1: Rune
Week 2: Aden
Week 3: Rune (or Giran+Oren+Godd... in case of all available castles)
and so on
Quote from: Vargine on November 21, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
Agree
IMO: Sieges should looks like
Week 1: Rune
Week 2: Aden
Week 3: Rune (or Giran+Oren+Godd... in case of all available castles)
and so on
Keep 7s circle as it is with siegeable Aden and Rune. Each separate day. And siege should start between 6-21pm not like 4pm...
weird, since gm is doing such usefull exp events to ppl grow faster, right?!
I would like ask stuff about clan limit. I fighting for it on tarantula and before start Helraiser.
Make 2clans in ally and 50ppl in clan and we are done.
Since ur clan is recruiting all players how u could think about actions ? :D
Quote from: kravenov on November 21, 2015, 05:57:48 PM
Since ur clan is recruiting all players how u could think about actions ? :D
With this u should go to leaders of fear and excidium, anyway it shouldnt stop FF clan to join pvp.
The problem is that they never stop and its lineage, its not aion or other shit. Every clan leader have own rules so complaining on forum about recruting is pointless cos our ledaer havent even a forum acc and he have exactly in ass what u guys writing here ;)
Quote from: qash on November 21, 2015, 06:01:38 PM
With this u should go to leaders of fear and excidium, anyway it shouldnt stop FF clan to join pvp.
True but
1 Fear 80
2 ExCiDiuM 107
3 MostHated 82
Excluding some academy+box chars, this is not big difference.
Quote from: Peorexo on November 21, 2015, 06:12:05 PM
True but
1 Fear 80
2 ExCiDiuM 107
3 MostHated 82
Excluding some academy+box chars, this is not big difference.
-
Quote from: qash on November 21, 2015, 05:35:41 PM
I would like ask stuff about clan limit. I fighting for it on tarantula and before start Helraiser.
Make 2clans in ally and 50ppl in clan and we are done.
Np.
Quote from: qash on November 21, 2015, 06:13:38 PM
-Np.
as i remember they promised it, same as combat (working) zones, despite it there is much more changes we need but no1 gives a fack as bugged siege time, boss spawn time for example
Imo we should back to first weeks of the server and decrease our numbers to max 3 pties. Rest of ppl should join other clans or create their own clan with next side :3
Quote from: Garro on November 21, 2015, 06:37:14 PM
Imo we should back to first weeks of the server and decrease our numbers to max 3 pties. Rest of ppl should join other clans or create their own clan with next side :3
gotta love it
Quote from: Garro on November 21, 2015, 06:37:14 PM
Imo we should back to first weeks of the server and decrease our numbers to max 3 pties. Rest of ppl should join other clans or create their own clan with next side :3
as i rememer 1st weeks we had 1 pt you 3 ...
Quote from: Blizzer on November 21, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
Sometimes leave town for pvp without full set-up with 2 bishops and 2 elders and I bet you'll find more actions ::)
Don't blame your bad pt setup on a setup that clearly works.
Quote from: Fanatic es on November 21, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
as i rememer 1st weeks we had 1 pt you 3 ...
We are not here to complain, how many was on start or how small u have ego, we are here to fix the problem with the server so lets talk about it, without non sens text, like fanatic. Lets spam ONE TIME, LIKE ONE TEAM, TOGETHER to stuff about limit clans and ally and problem will be solved or still cry on forum and hero voice.
You want guys some changes? Some competition? 90% of topic crys is made by Fear so now u can guys show, how u guys do forum fight for competition on server or leave it and lets stay on 2side server and keep shit talk on forum, spam on hero voice.
50ppl in clan and 2 clans in ally.
Quote from: qash on November 21, 2015, 10:50:25 PM
We are not here to complain, how many was on start or how small u have ego, we are here to fix the problem with the server so lets talk about it, without non sens text, like fanatic. Lets spam ONE TIME, LIKE ONE TEAM, TOGETHER to stuff about limit clans and ally and problem will be solved or still cry on forum and hero voice.
You want guys some changes? Some competition? 90% of topic crys is made by Fear so now u can guys show, how u guys do forum fight for competition on server or leave it and lets stay on 2side server and keep shit talk on forum, spam on hero voice.
50ppl in clan and 2 clans in ally.
90% topics? Be serious.
If only you wouldnt set sieges on our sieges time, we didnt change our both castles on diff times just so they can be more fun defending both at once, yet you made sieges totally useless the first day after u engraved your castles...
PS: Before start there was an idea to make clans 40ppl max with no alliances (or 2 max), i dunno why it didnt pass, bring that back.
Quote from: Peorexo on November 21, 2015, 10:57:49 PM
PS: Before start there was an idea to make clans 40ppl max with no alliances (or 2 max), i dunno why it didnt pass, bring that back.
And what about auto war between clans lvl 6+?
Quote from: Peorexo on November 21, 2015, 10:57:49 PM
90% topics? Be serious.
If only you wouldnt set sieges on our sieges time, we didnt change our both castles on diff times just so they can be more fun defending both at once, yet you made sieges totally useless the first day after u engraved your castles...
PS: Before start there was an idea to make clans 40ppl max with no alliances (or 2 max), i dunno why it didnt pass, bring that back.
Yeah I remember the same promise...
Quote from: stanko on November 22, 2015, 12:40:53 AM
Yeah I remember the same promise...
dont forget about combat zones near every single epic!
Quote from: Naiz on November 22, 2015, 01:20:00 AM
dont forget about combat zones near every single epic!
"working zones"
Epic respawns moving in diferent time zones might be usefull too, atm i forgot how toi 14 looks like coz i prefer to sleep at night :|
Quote from: somasz on November 22, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
Epic respawns moving in diferent time zones might be usefull too, atm i forgot how toi 14 looks like coz i prefer to sleep at night :|
+
Quote from: somasz on November 22, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
Epic respawns moving in diferent time zones might be usefull too, atm i forgot how toi 14 looks like coz i prefer to sleep at night :|
We are going to make some changes that we believe are shared between all players:
-oly 4h
- epics respwan
-hopefully and finally combat zones working
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on November 22, 2015, 01:46:11 PM
We are going to make some changes that we believe are shared between all players:
-oly 4h
- epics respwan
-hopefully and finally combat zones working
what about epics respawn? put fixed times or...? :D
Edit: Max clan members?
Quote from: GhostSlayer on November 22, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
what about epics respawn? put fixed times or...? :D
Edit: Max clan members?
We will make their respawn time "move" in different time zones.
About max members we will open a topic about it and see whats the general idea about it
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on November 22, 2015, 01:49:41 PM
We will make their respawn time "move" in different time zones.
About max members we will open a topic about it and see whats the general idea about it
I guess there shouldn't even be any debate over this matter since this info was up even before server first time got up, so people knew how it will be... but it never happened :D
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on November 22, 2015, 01:49:41 PM
We will make their respawn time "move" in different time zones.
About max members we will open a topic about it and see whats the general idea about it
you forgot of removing heal/buff bosses, combat zone, ally system, thats what player expecting to change i belive
edit: drop of antharas/valakas
MAX CLAN MEMBERS? you mean 40people clans? or what exactly
Quote from: mruwqa on November 22, 2015, 02:53:56 PM
MAX CLAN MEMBERS? you mean 40people clans? or what exactly
yeah :D
interesting idea about 40 ppl clan but there is 2 questions.
1. how new/growing clans will be able lvlup? cuz for lvl7 u need as minimum 50 ppl in clan, for lvl8 - 80.
2. how new/growing clans will be able get crp, cuz in difference from u all they will be forced choose between clan char or academy char.
easy life for u, moar harder for new clans. gg
Quote from: Shadow21 on November 22, 2015, 05:11:58 PM
interesting idea about 40 ppl clan but there is 2 questions.
1. how new/growing clans will be able lvlup? cuz for lvl7 u need as minimum 50 ppl in clan, for lvl8 - 80.
2. how new/growing clans will be able get crp, cuz in difference from u all they will be forced choose between clan char or academy char.
easy life for u, moar harder for new clans. gg
1. remove members requirements for clan lvl up
2. 40ppl main clan + 20 academy. (if they wanna go on pvp with 40 lvl chars, or 85 lvl w/o 2nd class, np)
Quote from: GhostSlayer on November 22, 2015, 05:39:52 PM
1. remove members requirements for clan lvl up
prolly not so easy cuz members limit not implemented at start as was promised. prolly they will 1st set limit and say requirments will be removed soon, but if u play on dn not 1st day u know what word "soon" mean here ;)
Quote from: GhostSlayer on November 22, 2015, 05:39:52 PM
2. 40ppl main clan + 20 academy. (if they wanna go on pvp with 40 lvl chars, or 85 lvl w/o 2nd class, np)
my mistake.
#NoEdit.
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on November 22, 2015, 01:46:11 PM
We are going to make some changes that we believe are shared between all players:
-oly 4h
- epics respwan
-hopefully and finally combat zones working
-no skill cooldown after oly fight
Quote from: Shadow21 on November 22, 2015, 05:46:15 PM
prolly not so easy cuz members limit not implemented at start as was promised. prolly they will 1st set limit and say requirments will be removed soon, but if u play on dn not 1st day u know what word "soon" mean here ;)
my mistake.
soon hehe :D
Dunno then about leveling clan... Mby by hand by gm, to remove rep and increase lvl, don't think there are that many clans that lvl up often :D
Quote from: GhostSlayer on November 22, 2015, 06:42:28 PM
soon hehe :D
Dunno then about leveling clan... Mby by hand by gm, to remove rep and increase lvl, don't think there are that many clans that lvl up often :D
np, just want coins back which we spent to increase amount of ppl on guards to lvl up clan to 8
Quote from: ^Evacuate^ on November 22, 2015, 01:46:11 PM
We are going to make some changes that we believe are shared between all players:
-oly 4h
- epics respwan
-hopefully and finally combat zones working
Why someone need to cut fun on server?
Quote from: iRambo on November 23, 2015, 08:29:46 AM
Why someone need to cut fun on server?
Where is the fun for you ?
there are other ways to have fun in l2 than lethaling ppl on oly
I've had nice pvp in bswamp yday 1v3 ( me being 1 ) I managed to get double kill but hitting the lvl 78 char with 71 mage was not a good idea :D, so there's small pvp if you look for it was fun
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on November 23, 2015, 12:38:49 PM
Where is the fun for you ?
On olympiad for now :)
Quote from: somasz on November 23, 2015, 12:52:55 PM
there are other ways to have fun in l2 than lethaling ppl on oly
I'm new on stack-sub and still trying to figure out which class i want to play for daily pvps :D
Quote from: iRambo on November 23, 2015, 01:33:09 PM
On olympiad for now :)I'm new on stack-sub and still trying to figure out which class i want to play for daily pvps :D
Youll not see that on Olys for sure ;) Or on ur bots in HB...
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on November 23, 2015, 12:38:49 PM
Where is the fun for you ?
If you change epic respawns in the terms that you will move them somehow, and favor only the big clans prime times say goodbye to 3rd side ;) and with that more will leave from a fact due to the lack of competition :)
Quote from: NunoPitbull on November 24, 2015, 02:35:28 AM
If you change epic respawns in the terms that you will move them somehow, and favor only the big clans prime times say goodbye to 3rd side ;) and with that more will leave from a fact due to the lack of competition :)
well like this u said "pls dont change the time of epics because night is the only time when we can kill something because normal ppl sleep and we dont". so make your clan "3rd side" big too and fight other big clans...no offence bro but its silly what u said :P competition would be if 90% of clans on server grow some balls like your clan did and start to do something even if they know they wont win prolly...problem is not in big clans but in small clans, they can easily form cps and move to for example your clan and make you stronger
Quote from: NunoPitbull on November 24, 2015, 02:35:28 AM
If you change epic respawns in the terms that you will move them somehow, and favor only the big clans prime times say goodbye to 3rd side ;) and with that more will leave from a fact due to the lack of competition :)
Im kinda allways just reading not taking part in the disscusions, and Im wondering do some people think, and read what they want to say?
Ye fuk logic, 80% of the server is european, Spawn of Epics is 1-2-3 AM GMT+1 in a week day so ofcourse 90% for the 80% will be up and camping +/- 2h in the middle of the night, right?..
Im not event talking about spawns that start at morning hours, couse that is "ok" in some way, not like the sh1t Ive said above.
And for those for cry and talk about "so just Big Clans have better", get your sh1t toggeter and start doing some thing. Every one was given equal chances on the start, and those "Big Clans" just worked, not talked to get what they have now.
Im gonna defent the "Big Clans"(yes, Im part of the so called "1 side") just for logical reasons, example:
TOI 14 PVP Zone ->Randoms* cry about not getting quest done -> Added Dony option to buy it -> Randoms* Cry its to expensive -> Removing PVP Zone -> Big Clans Cry, couse people use advanget of it -> No summon at TOI -> Randoms* cry again -> And so go on..
*edit: Its just an example! And it looks its fine now at least whit this Baium example.
The point is no one is happy, couse there are problems whit each solution taken so KEEP IT SIMPLE.
Advice for Randoms*: Start working. Of course it wont be fast and easy, but is 100% possible to get going on and start meaning some thing.
Cannot get Retail quest? = Start farming, get stuff, sell it, buy coins from market (750kk - is possible to get it in few days, even less if u allready got some stuff), then buy the quest item. I did it my self, even that im one the "Big Side" when I missed one Baium.
Cannot get stuff to get better gear for pvp(ex. Dynasty) = farm more, and sell it (very good example - high grade mats, witch are expensive and needed a lot).
Cannot get a decent clan for pvp or even try fight the "Big Sides" for epics = Do one your self, or if you dont know how then search for some one that knows this kind off stuff and join him whit ur friends.
There are 3 things that could not allow you to get what you want:
1. No monney/Dont want to Donate.
2. To time to play mutch - Work, Family, etc.
3.
Being lazy.
If you cannot full fill at least 1 of the 3 things, then dont complayin cosue your not even playing.
The 1st Draco set Ive seen was on a Random*, when we were finishing DC sets for my party.. After 1 week server was up..
Best Solution = Dont be Lazy!Thats what I wanted to say, every thing is my just my point of view.
Randoms* - People whit no clans / Small clans that dont mean allot in curent time. Ive used this as a short term, NOT to insult any one (but for sure some one will be, like it allways is ;).
yeah + 1 Dont be Lazy like imigrants!
Quote from: UngO on November 24, 2015, 03:18:16 AM
well like this u said "pls dont change the time of epics because night is the only time when we can kill something because normal ppl sleep and we dont". so make your clan "3rd side" big too and fight other big clans...no offence bro but its silly what u said :P competition would be if 90% of clans on server grow some balls like your clan did and start to do something even if they know they wont win prolly...problem is not in big clans but in small clans, they can easily form cps and move to for example your clan and make you stronger
I like how fear meatshield players come here and proclaim themselves as part of a big clan, "the strong side", tell others what to do and even worst, talk about their competition (in example MH clan) as if we were some lowbies that get wipe all the time in pvp.
Well you couldn't be more wrong, and apart from Ira's party and exci main party, I doubt that any party in this server can carpet either mine or Kebab's cp in pvp. Two days ago we roled your dear 108D clan party at chimeras 5vs9 (frapsed)
So choose your words a bit more carefully when you talk about MH, cos we step on you every day.
As for the topic I will leave my 2cents for sunday, when it matters.
Quote from: Moska23 on November 24, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
I like how fear meatshield players come here and proclaim themselves as part of a big clan, "the strong side", tell others what to do and even worst, talk about their competition (in example MH clan) as if we were some lowbies that get wipe all the time in pvp.
Well you couldn't be more wrong, and apart from Ira's party and exci main party, I doubt that any party in this server can carpet either mine or Kebab's cp in pvp. Two days ago we roled your dear 108D clan party at chimeras 5vs9 (frapsed)
So choose your words a bit more carefully when you talk about MH, cos we step on you every day.
As for the topic I will leave my 2cents for sunday, when it matters.
Well that works both way, 2 days ago we rolled you 1 pt vs 2 pt at hb. sadly not frapsed
Quote from: Moska23 on November 24, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
I like how fear meatshield players come here and proclaim themselves as part of a big clan, "the strong side", tell others what to do and even worst, talk about their competition (in example MH clan) as if we were some lowbies that get wipe all the time in pvp.
Well you couldn't be more wrong, and apart from Ira's party and exci main party, I doubt that any party in this server can carpet either mine or Kebab's cp in pvp. Two days ago we roled your dear 108D clan party at chimeras 5vs9 (frapsed)
So choose your words a bit more carefully when you talk about MH, cos we step on you every day.
As for the topic I will leave my 2cents for sunday, when it matters.
did i said something about that? im just statin facts only epics your clan took was the ones in night or i say lies? i never said your pt get carrpeted i say opposite on almost every topic and i mostly put mh as example of good clan...if u talk about that pvp when your cp killed our 5 man mage pt when we went to check chimeras for the 1st time then you must feel proud now diogo. And i dont proclaim us as nothing im where is the best for me and my cp since there arent clans i would dedicate myself i do whats smartest for me
Quote from: UngO on November 24, 2015, 11:14:48 AM
did i said something about that? im just statin facts only epics your clan took was the ones in night or i say lies? i never said your pt get carrpeted i say opposite on almost every topic and i mostly put mh as example of good clan...if u talk about that pvp when your cp killed our 5 man mage pt when we went to check chimeras for the 1st time then you must feel proud now diogo. And i dont proclaim us as nothing im where is the best for me and my cp since there arent clans i would dedicate myself i do whats smartest for me
We've taken frintezza during the day latelly. But you cant blame us for having a different play time. And even though we do, we still fight for epics during the day.
And no, it was no 5 mage pt. It was Rolyx archer cp
Quote from: Zaled on November 24, 2015, 11:06:06 AM
Well that works both way, 2 days ago we rolled you 1 pt vs 2 pt at hb. sadly not frapsed
You fought vs half boxed party? Cause from the inumeros fraps I have or either the sws/bd are boxed(which are our nukers btw lol) or every single PvP unless your not Ira party or full-of-hero-skills exci main party, your jsut drop dead everysingle time. I'm talking about my CP though(Diogo23), not the rest of MH CPs.
@KingofLife Stop talking like ur actually something or even close to factor. And realize that, even if we(my CP) have more activity at night, we also SACRIFICE SLEEP TIME to to stuff on night and even EARLY in the day. In case you didn't notice some frintezzas got killed during the day and AQs and so on. It's not our fault, and other people fault. The same way each and every clan has a "prime time", we do too. Changing EPIC spawns its the most retarded idea you can think off. Like you guys speak "get more ppl, get more activity" as its easy to find GOOD players and not 12 year old kids that do what they want. Why don't we move to the OTHER side of the epctrum and ask YOU TOP CLANS to reduce your meatshields? take 2 CPs out of Exci, 2 out of fear and maybe we can also fight 2-3 cps vs yours 3 CPs. Would be more fun then zerged! Don't wanna do that? So don't touch on epic spawns so EVERYONE has a fair chance on epics. This topic is actually undebateble, i'm getting each time more and more sad about the way things are beeing done to abolish newcomers. This seems Aion.
Quote from: UngO on November 24, 2015, 11:14:48 AM
did i said something about that? im just statin facts only epics your clan took was the ones in night or i say lies? i never said your pt get carrpeted i say opposite on almost every topic and i mostly put mh as example of good clan...if u talk about that pvp when your cp killed our 5 man mage pt when we went to check chimeras for the 1st time then you must feel proud now diogo. And i dont proclaim us as nothing im where is the best for me and my cp since there arent clans i would dedicate myself i do whats smartest for me
Fraps inc of 4 ppl+1 box raping r0ls full party. And we took 3 tezzas during the day.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on November 24, 2015, 01:53:00 PM
Fraps inc of 4 ppl+1 box raping r0ls full party. And we took 3 tezzas during the day.
They got 3 tezzas during the day! Lets call it a great victory!
Quote from: Garro on November 24, 2015, 01:54:36 PM
They got 3 tezzas during the day! Lets call it a great victory!
You bot and 5x+ box in Chimeras during "your so called #nightime". Lets call it beeing GM friendly!
I normally don't like to post in this stupid QQ topics that are full of flames and non-sense talk but im just gonna try to place some sense in your heads.
You do realize that in most competitor servers like (rpg-club, lineage2.ru, maybe some euro server which i don't have idea if exists) that actually have the so called Pro Players that play l2 for living and sell items/adena for real money, people change their prime time in order to farm? That's being bad? Nop that's being smart and not having to fight big zergs of 100+ people.
I also played there and we were going to sleep at 20h in the night to wake up at 04h in order to get Frintezza or Antharas, or even have to keep it alive in turns for over 24h so we could enter with full clan in some time that enemys are sleeping!
This is called tactics, if u want to get the epics that spawn at night and kill us, wake up at 3am build 2/3 partys and come kill us, or wake up at 7am in the morning like we do sometimes.
We also have work, we also have family and friends and we sacrifice many things to get this epics because its not possible in this game to fight with less than half numbers.
You should be thankful that you have 3 sides in this server and u have so much pvp. But yeah maybe its better to log for epics maybe ur 2nd side enemy might not even appear, kill the epic, log off, log the bots or the gazillion boxes and go farm chimeras to make adena and proclaim urself the best players in the world that won the serbidor.
Quote from: Moska23 on November 24, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
I like how fear meatshield players come here and proclaim themselves as part of a big clan, "the strong side", tell others what to do and even worst, talk about their competition (in example MH clan) as if we were some lowbies that get wipe all the time in pvp.
Well you couldn't be more wrong, and apart from Ira's party and exci main party, I doubt that any party in this server can carpet either mine or Kebab's cp in pvp. Two days ago we roled your dear 108D clan party at chimeras 5vs9 (frapsed)
So choose your words a bit more carefully when you talk about MH, cos we step on you every day.
As for the topic I will leave my 2cents for sunday, when it matters.
Here you got fraps from few days ago, how good is your main CP in your clan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhXYVCB31Zg&feature=youtu.be
Killed by 4 ppl + box buffer.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on November 24, 2015, 02:07:55 PM
You bot and 5x+ box in Chimeras during "your so called #nightime". Lets call it beeing GM friendly!
Sorry that I will dissapoint you but I never used more than Garro + Delerius + N7 boxes in Hellbound, but please keep thinking that only botters can kill alone chimeras in HB :'(
Quote from: Moah on November 24, 2015, 02:23:05 PM
I normally don't like to post in this stupid QQ topics that are full of flames and non-sense talk but im just gonna try to place some sense in your heads.
You do realize that in most competitor servers like (rpg-club, lineage2.ru, maybe some euro server which i don't have idea if exists) that actually have the so called Pro Players that play l2 for living and sell items/adena for real money, people change their prime time in order to farm? That's being bad? Nop that's being smart and not having to fight big zergs of 100+ people.
I also played there and we were going to sleep at 20h in the night to wake up at 04h in order to get Frintezza or Antharas, or even have to keep it alive in turns for over 24h so we could enter with full clan in some time that enemys are sleeping!
This is called tactics, if u want to get the epics that spawn at night and kill us, wake up at 3am build 2/3 partys and come kill us, or wake up at 7am in the morning like we do sometimes.
We also have work, we also have family and friends and we sacrifice many things to get this epics because its not possible in this game to fight with less than half numbers.
You should be thankful that you have 3 sides in this server and u have so much pvp. But yeah maybe its better to log for epics maybe ur 2nd side enemy might not even appear, kill the epic, log off, log the bots or the gazillion boxes and go farm chimeras to make adena and proclaim urself the best players in the world that won the serbidor.
And now they are coming with the QQness about "We now have families, kids, work blablabla", but they forget that we also have all that. We just use our heads and time better. It's called time micro-management. Google it! It's also super helpfull on your day-to-day life and in ur work!
lol Garro u forgot about 2 pty destros w/o clan from exci that hit us from behind. ? lol, man u bsoed that day 4x and logoff 5x..kill 3 ppl with boxes so pr0 :D
@garro how's your mouse one From mashing hero ability ?
If you are waking up in middle of the night to get pixels and than sleep in afternoons i have bad news for you guys...you are sick.
"proffesional players" who play l2 for a living are your example? Holy Jesus...
See? that is the difference between us and the rest.
There are 3 types of l2 players:
1- People that cry all the time about "big clans" and do nothing about it.
2- People that follow the rule: "You can't beat them, join them" to make the zerg bigger and have a chance to get items if the leaders are not greedy (sorry but thats pretty much impossible my friends, u probably will only see "sh1t items" going for u)
3- People that even though its certain they are weaker than the enemys (not talking about skill, im talking about numbers mostly), try to fight and grow in the server so they are not part of the meatshield or the randoms that will never acomplish anything.
Now think and place urselfs here. I know exactly my CP place and no matter what it wont change.
Quote from: somasz on November 24, 2015, 03:39:56 PM
"proffesional players" who play l2 for a living are your example? Holy Jesus...
The ones who make any amount of money worth speaking of in MMOs, are all using massive bots and sell game currency on websites. Nobody with a real job wakes up at 4AM in the night for "professional farming" in L2 to make cash, in what world do you live? :D
Quote from: Jameson on November 24, 2015, 04:33:17 PM
The ones who make any amount of money worth speaking of in MMOs, are all using massive bots and sell game currency on websites. Nobody with a real job wakes up at 4AM in the night for "professional farming" in L2 to make cash, in what world do you live? :D
Rotfl bots gives u 20euros in 1week (thats the time to farm 1b adena with them), what gives money is Hero chars, High level chars with enchanted skills and epics.
Probably the ppl u know that does that are randoms that dont even play in the server create bots farm some adena, get banned, create more bots farm some more adena, get banned again and so on. I know some as well and believe me they dont make any special ammount of money.
Quote from: somasz on November 24, 2015, 03:39:56 PM
If you are waking up in middle of the night to get pixels and than sleep in afternoons i have bad news for you guys...you are sick.
"proffesional players" who play l2 for a living are your example? Holy Jesus...
like Exci killing Zaken at 4am?
Damn flamers... we are all same, so pls... shush.
Quote from: Moah on November 24, 2015, 04:57:30 PM
Rotfl bots gives u 20euros in 1week (thats the time to farm 1b adena with them), what gives money is Hero chars, High level chars with enchanted skills and epics.
Probably the ppl u know that does that are randoms that dont even play in the server create bots farm some adena, get banned, create more bots farm some more adena, get banned again and so on. I know some as well and believe me they dont make any special ammount of money.
I speak about MMOs in general, you have NO idea what's going on dude. As if you could create many "hero chars with enchanted skills and epics" so to constantly sell them. Good botters in D3 or WOW made several hundred thousands a year, "20 euros" WTF lol :-D In small private l2 servers there's no "professional playing", there is simply no market for it.
Quote from: Moah on November 24, 2015, 02:23:05 PM
I normally don't like to post in this stupid QQ topics that are full of flames and non-sense talk but im just gonna try to place some sense in your heads.
You do realize that in most competitor servers like (rpg-club, lineage2.ru, maybe some euro server which i don't have idea if exists) that actually have the so called Pro Players that play l2 for living and sell items/adena for real money, people change their prime time in order to farm? That's being bad? Nop that's being smart and not having to fight big zergs of 100+ people.
I also played there and we were going to sleep at 20h in the night to wake up at 04h in order to get Frintezza or Antharas, or even have to keep it alive in turns for over 24h so we could enter with full clan in some time that enemys are sleeping!
This is called tactics, if u want to get the epics that spawn at night and kill us, wake up at 3am build 2/3 partys and come kill us, or wake up at 7am in the morning like we do sometimes.
We also have work, we also have family and friends and we sacrifice many things to get this epics because its not possible in this game to fight with less than half numbers.
You should be thankful that you have 3 sides in this server and u have so much pvp. But yeah maybe its better to log for epics maybe ur 2nd side enemy might not even appear, kill the epic, log off, log the bots or the gazillion boxes and go farm chimeras to make adena and proclaim urself the best players in the world that won the serbidor.
to tell you truth after 10 years of playing l2 i dont feel i wanna sacrifice any comfort of my life to dedicate it in game specialy not sleeping, only reason why i still play this game around 5 + hour a day is the fact that i work at home as graphic designer and i got game in background...my cp are mostly 35+ ppl who came to this server from nostalgia and tbh im long time not tryharding in this game its pretty enough for us to go hb not even daily or go to epics if we can and do some minor pvp...i dont feel like making competition with ppl who pushing it to be 100% effective...problem is this server isnt any close to old dn servers...it maybe have lots of nice things but i feel like the community isnt even same..no clan on this server do pvp for fun every pvp happens here is connected to farm or epics...i wish there would be a clan i would dedicate myself into but such clans dont excist not speakin of fact that we oldschool niggaz dont like the cp system at all...
Quote from: UngO on November 25, 2015, 01:31:41 AM
to tell you truth after 10 years of playing l2 i dont feel i wanna sacrifice any comfort of my life to dedicate it in game specialy not sleeping, only reason why i still play this game around 5 + hour a day is the fact that i work at home as graphic designer and i got game in background...my cp are mostly 35+ ppl who came to this server from nostalgia and tbh im long time not tryharding in this game its pretty enough for us to go hb not even daily or go to epics if we can and do some minor pvp...i dont feel like making competition with ppl who pushing it to be 100% effective...problem is this server isnt any close to old dn servers...it maybe have lots of nice things but i feel like the community isnt even same..no clan on this server do pvp for fun every pvp happens here is connected to farm or epics...i wish there would be a clan i would dedicate myself into but such clans dont excist not speakin of fact that we oldschool niggaz dont like the cp system at all...
We also play l2 for over 10 years, and we all have jobs, even harder jobs and more tiring then staying at home as you refered. Now, don't adapt your comodety to L2. As I already said to someone in this forum, this isn't x5000 server... this is becoming each time the server RR, with more and more ezpz stuff..and msot of all, favoring the "prime time of big clans" to even make them more unreachble...
Please think well on what ur saying...
It's simple, if you want more balanced PvP, go split up from biggest clans and fight vs people that are even (in terms of equip/development).
Like in every other game, you just rearrange opponents yourself.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on November 24, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
You fought vs half boxed party? Cause from the inumeros fraps I have or either the sws/bd are boxed(which are our nukers btw lol) or every single PvP unless your not Ira party or full-of-hero-skills exci main party, your jsut drop dead everysingle time. I'm talking about my CP though(Diogo23), not the rest of MH CPs.
i have no idea who are you, actually I'm playing from time to time in Ira's pt and in past month i got killed by MH once at toi 14 at some baium in middle of night. I respect MH for havin ballz to come pvp even after few defeats at hb you came back over and over again. thats pretty big +