We shouldn't be wasting time at the begining of the server with TvTs and such minor stuff. Noone will care enough for the TvTs in the beginning. And TBH thats more of a "high rate lol java" server thingie. Can cause bad impression for real clans moving here aswell. I agree it could be implemented, but later on after you analyse what kind of population you have and if it's even necessary.
Also, I don't really see the delay on the launch. One more week to test stuff would be enough.
Important points:
1) Make party UDs not stack. (30sec in between)
2) Fix Toggle shield fortress for at least 50% reduction on its total effect in Robes/25% reduction in light) - Clonage tested this, and seriously should be nerfed a bit :)
3) Small overall inside tests like adena/spoil rates/quest rewards etc. To check everything is fine and ready.
4) Discuss and present ALL the changes made.
5) Make sure you have someone 100% of the time, looking at the server if it goes down BY ANY REASON to be able to launch a scipt to put it back up and check if all NPC's and servers were loaded correctly and server is backup and 100% functional.
Worried about advertising? One week is more then enough. Don't expect to bring alot of people who are gonna stay loyal for the long term playing here. 2 major big servers retail like are beeing opened. Retail-players won't come here. Sad but true. But the old substack players will for sure. And for that it isn't necessary a big scale advertising. Simply a mail to the old player database/facebook advertising is necessary.
If you want more advertising you can keep doing it after you open the server in the following weeks. (After you also confirm you can maintain the sserver up for at least 24h+ with constant DDoS attacks - cause there will be for sure, since it happens always xD)
Also a good point by "SoniQ88" - we have Twitch streams. The sooner you open it with stable environment (AKA those 4 point above at least functional) and people start streaming, the more propaganda you will have. And the faster people will join.
Thats only my opinion. I wrote this on another topic, but I wanted to make this one so maybe I could get an answer on why is it delayed. Cause if really its about taking care of advertising, it won't help doing large scale one with the servers we know that are opening soon. Substack people will know DN is opening they will come. Retail players that like retail servers won't come here with well-knowed retail servers opening.
I'm jsut worried cause it's been 2 weeks since no changes were made (at least info given to us)
I still dont get it whats up with such big rush all of a sudden? Between 30th oct and 10th Nov aint much time, yet we want all things to work properly. Last update we did, finally fixed crashbug but still missing 2 more features which will be resolved hopefully by the end of this week.
Rushing really doesnt help, nor additinal pressure as well.
And btw, if we start to throw numbers how many players will join or not and spam with numbers then im affraid we are at the end on its start. Players should join because they like the features and chronicle, not because we have 1 or 1000000 players. Once server starts and if your 1st question is "HOW MANY ONLINE" , you should log off and quit instantly.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 14, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
I still dont get it whats up with such big rush all of a sudden? Between 30th oct and 10th Nov aint much time, yet we want all things to work properly. Last update we did, finally fixed crashbug but still missing 2 more features which will be resolved hopefully by the end of this week.
Rushing really doesnt help, nor additinal pressure as well.
I understand, the thing is the longer it goes by, people will start thinking wether to stay here or not. I just think October was your perfect month to open the server and net out as many players as you can, with Twitch streams aswell. Since in less then a month L2 streams will be populated with famous L2Streamers and DN won't make the top viewed :)
I'm not trying to rush, I just don't get why the long waiting (Over a month now or more?). What is not working/what still needs to be done. Since i'm in the dark like the rest of the community. If the posts made about teh changes are working and those 5 points i included above are ready to go, Whats the hold up?:P
Anyways, I'm jsut worried, don't get me wrong :)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 14, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
I still dont get it blabla
that's the point - you still don't get it why you have to make BIG opening 3rd time in 3 years. Let me give you a hint - people want to play with other people, not with mobs. And if you have less than 100 players it's hard to have some fun, even on high rate servers.
And now you can delete my post as always in 3 .. 2 .. 1 ..
Quote from: Blizzer on October 14, 2016, 04:58:17 PM
that's the point - you still don't get it why you have to make BIG opening 3rd time in 3 years. Let me give you a hint - people want to play with other people, not with mobs. And if you have less than 100 players it's hard to have some fun, even on high rate servers.
And now you can delete my post as always in 3 .. 2 .. 1 ..
I don't get your reply. This is not a flame or "bring-back-past-feelings" kind of post.
I just can agree that the only way this server is gonna bring any more people that is gonna already have(hopefully around 1k) is with advertising AFTER server is launched and stable. people will see new and improved HR and taht is actually stable and beeing streamed by people. This sense of security will bring old people who were deciding to join or not :) the quality of the server will make its own advertising. And I trully beleive after 1-2 weeks of server beeing stable and with some streams it will reahc the 2k+ mark. But it all will go accordingly with the time its gonna open :P
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 14, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
I still dont get it whats up with such big rush all of a sudden? Between 30th oct and 10th Nov aint much time, yet we want all things to work properly. Last update we did, finally fixed crashbug but still missing 2 more features which will be resolved hopefully by the end of this week.
Rushing really doesnt help, nor additinal pressure as well.
And btw, if we start to throw numbers how many players will join or not and spam with numbers then im affraid we are at the end on its start. Players should join because they like the features and chronicle, not because we have 1 or 1000000 players. Once server starts and if your 1st question is "HOW MANY ONLINE" , you should log off and quit instantly.
With all respect Track, but I think that you miss the point. The reason why people rush for server is just because you told that opening will be October like. The another fact is that you and your crew many times "freaked" up things on this gaming platform, and thats the real fact, I think many ppl will agree with this, like 90% of them. This is not something which you should get as something offensive, No, this should be just a hint for further improvements and a small hint to get the trust from a players again. Players loose the faith in Dragon Network, and thats another fact which you should think of really serious. The players who actually plays here love to on this or another way on this community and thats why we are here always when you open the server, and you should really respect that as a human since this is nothing else then just a game and fun.
I hope server will be live at October and not until 10 of November.
Thanks, and dont get me wrong.
With all respects^^
My 2 cents.
Why are we prioritizing TvT over balancing?
With all due respect Maxcheaters post is a fvcking joke and is misleading. http://www.maxcheaters.com/topic/208536-l2off-hellraiser-dragon-network/
Advertisement that has been done is actually good but is premature. For those that have been arround it feels like you're just giving us info that we already know. And for those who are new the info is not enough. This applies to all advertisement done.
Change log is a mess. We need a list of changed skills. If you need help i can actually do it myself. I know almost everything that has been changed from retail to substack. And i'm pretty sure the community can help if something is listed wrong or not listed at all. Believe it or not there's actually people that want to see HR as decent long term server.
People involved in this project is actually low. 4, 5? E.G.: Server "goes down", we have to wait for Allanah to get back from work to get a simple restart/boot up.
Now regarding what Nuno said and actual game play.
I've found some neat stuff during the beta, and also some suggestion but i haven't posted/discussed them because there has been little or no changes for the past 3~4 weeks. I know there was some important IRL stuff going on with HR staff. But srsly?
Quote from: NunoPitbull on October 14, 2016, 04:36:53 PM
1) Make party UDs not stack. (30sec in between)
- They Overlap. Which means you can cast another shield of faith when there's 1~2 second left and reset the timer.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on October 14, 2016, 04:36:53 PM
2) Fix Passive shield fortress for at least 50% reduction on its total effect in Robes/25% reduction in light) - Clonage tested this, and seriously should be nerfed a bit
- It's not passive, it's a toggle. I hate when ppl quote me from discussions, it feels like you're PRing me D: And scaling for light is not needed, Anyone that uses light set wont use shield and will go for an evasion build. Which i doubt anyone will tbh.
- Since Majesty (http://l2j.ru/index.php?p=19&skid=82) is scaling with armor type why isn't Guard stance (http://l2j.ru/index.php?p=19&skid=288) also? Actually P def given by Guard Stance is static, which means even on a naked character you get same pdef. This also applies to Shield Fortress (http://l2j.ru/index.php?p=19&skid=322). Let's imagine there was actually a shield with 0 or 1 p def, if you equip this imaginary shield and turn on both toggles you will effectively gain 810 p def because most of the time the shield will block. P def from both toggles is not debuffable by any p def reducer like Hex or Violent temper. Do whatever you want with this info.
-SLH can abuse Antibuff shield. Basicly it's always a win/win situation for SLH when he "steals" buffs. When Steal Divinity is used, stolen buffs are not applied to the SLH when Antibuff shield is ON. Either change Antibuff shield to make it possible to receive stolen buffs and friendly buffs or remove it. Another reason to allow friendly buffs with Antibuff shield is Prophecy overbuffing. PvPs will become Overbuffing sh1t fiesta and fighters wont like it for sure.
soz fixed, dunno why I always say its the passive xD Its the toggle one xD
Quote from: Clonage on October 14, 2016, 08:08:56 PM
-SLH can abuse Antibuff shield. Basicly it's always a win/win situation for SLH when he "steals" buffs. When Steal Divinity is used, stolen buffs are not applied to the SLH when Antibuff shield is ON.
Que? I can not understand why do you think it is abuse to not recive stolen buffs?
Quote from: Clonage on October 14, 2016, 08:08:56 PM
Another reason to allow friendly buffs with Antibuff shield is Prophecy overbuffing.
PvPs will become Overbuffing sh1t fiesta and fighters wont like it for sure.
https://youtu.be/fA4VT8t85yU?t=5m38s (https://youtu.be/fA4VT8t85yU?t=5m38s)
I would say : Part of the game
Quote from: Morel on October 14, 2016, 08:56:01 PM
Que? I can not understand why do you think it is abuse to not recive stolen buffs?
Let's say you're playing SLH/Trick in fighter party. You're vs mages and you're full buffed. Press your steal divinity macro and you wont be overbuffed which turns antibuff shield on - Casts Steal divinity - and turns anti buff shield back off. As i said it's always a win/win situation.
Same thing if you're playing SLH/trick in mage party vs fighter pt.
In theory it's a better cancel when u dont want to get overbuffed. And a tool to get you buffs when you want.
Quote from: Morel on October 14, 2016, 08:56:01 PM
https://youtu.be/fA4VT8t85yU?t=5m38s (https://youtu.be/fA4VT8t85yU?t=5m38s)
I would say : Part of the game
*sigh*
Just because we did it doesnt mean it's OK.
By that logic we shouldn't have substack because it's not part of the game.
It becomes part of the game if the mechanics allow it...
Guess why they removed prophecy buffing outside of party...
Yes, you exactly described how to play SLH. You use steal divinity as cancel with 20sec reuse, or you play buff stealing lottery.
@protip
as mage SLH you can steal from mages, as fighter SLH from figters :*
Thx for the tip bro!
You know, i've been watching some streams lately from some GF servers and i dont get why SLHs arent using antibuff shield vs partys that dont use the same buffs as their party :s I should tell them they are playing SLH the wrong way! I really dont get why they aren't choosing when to activate Antibuff shield...
Well, i guess ill be a good guy and tell them to activate antibuff shield when they dont want to get overbuffed!
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I have no idea what you mean with "eSports", mas tbh, that shit doesn't make any sense to me. Even official servers from MMORPG's can't be relevant in eSports, and you are thinking on implementing something about it on this server ?
Not only that, but you are making it your number 1 priority ? I'm sorry, but I can't understand this. I want the best for the server, and I'm just another nerd who wants to play the game, but I just cannot understand what is going on in your heads ....
Sure you can implement some tournaments or whatever, but call it eSports ? and make it your 1st priority ?
In my opinion, you should just drop it, fix those balancing issues that are being discussed and open the server. It is just ridiculous that the server has some issues to fix for quite some time and you are giving priority to something that won't even be that revolutionary, nor will it bring more people, but whatever, thats just my opinion, which is worthless I know.
Deixem de comer merda às colheres fds
we dont need any eSports, tvts, any kind of forced pvp
we want healthy community fighting for common lineage goals - epics, sieges, best farm spots
Quote from: Picksy on October 14, 2016, 11:16:19 PM
I have no idea what you mean with "eSports", mas tbh, that shit doesn't make any sense to me. Even official servers from MMORPG's can't be relevant in eSports, and you are thinking on implementing something about it on this server ?
Not only that, but you are making it your number 1 priority ? I'm sorry, but I can't understand this. I want the best for the server, and I'm just another nerd who wants to play the game, but I just cannot understand what is going on in your heads ....
Sure you can implement some tournaments or whatever, but call it eSports ? and make it your 1st priority ?
In my opinion, you should just drop it, fix those balancing issues that are being discussed and open the server. It is just ridiculous that the server has some issues to fix for quite some time and you are giving priority to something that won't even be that revolutionary, nor will it bring more people, but whatever, thats just my opinion, which is worthless I know.
Deixem de comer merda às colheres fds
Exactly. I understand their feeling to make and think outside of the box and make something different, the only problem is that this all is souding too much of "L2 java" kind fo stuff. Maybe not to us that we know what is beeing implement but prbably for many users who gonna read that. Also, they should worry about this kind of stuff AFTER they open server with everything stable for at least a week or 2. But oh well...
If you wanna re-open this server and have the same exact community you had before closing the last HR your going well.
If you actually wanna change direction and ste on a different mindset, jsut fix this sh1tty bugs/nerfs already and launch the server. There's actually no point at this moment to delay a server launch to later october/november. You jsut need to check/fix my 5) points I wrote at the begining and what Clonage told and its good to go. Advertising can be constant, and will be more trustfull due to Twitch streams + people that see the advertisemnt and actually seems a fully running server without downtimes.
Anyway i'm repeating myself over and over. My point was amd ealready :P
I just want to make sure that you understand this...No one here is saying that we don't appreciate your ideas. I think everyone likes the fact that you guys are actually working to give us new features etc etc. I'm just saying that those features can be implemented after the server opening.
Right now, your priority should be fixing the remaining issues and opening the server. I understand that you don't want to rush things but you wouldn't be rushing. You just have to fix the issues and you can open the server.
After the server opens, and you manage to stable it after the 1st days of constant DDos' , you can then start thinking on the new feature. I would really prefer it this way because we'll already have issues when the server opens, there are always issues. Adding the tvt/esports featuring right at the beggining, will cause even more problems because it needs field testing, and you're not gonna test it on beta with 10 players.
Just be chill with those events, fix the issues everyone is talking about (because thats what people really care about), and later when the server is ready for it, release the eSports feature. Having it on server start is not gonna bring more people.
The factor that will influence people's decision to join the server or not, is actually the balancing of classes/skills. This should be your priority numero uno
Quote from: somasz on October 14, 2016, 11:45:31 PM
we dont need any eSports, tvts, any kind of forced pvp
we want healthy community fighting for common lineage goals - epics, sieges, best farm spots
Like Barakiel f.e., which is in most PvP videos made by ppl.
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,292376.0.html
Quote from: Picksy on October 15, 2016, 12:33:32 AM
The factor that will influence people's decision to join the server or not, is actually the balancing of classes/skills. This should be your priority numero uno
Currently the best class is the mage, noob dmg and noob resistence cause substack tank, the best useless class after dwarf is the archer, i did full archer (element, skills+30 etc..), my friend duelist with Armor Tallum Plate "A" and skills+0, my best crit 1700 with 190 holy (duelist with 10 holy def), he hit me 4500 with bluster+0, full archer vs duelist 85 only, enjoy ;D ;D ;D
PS: Saggi/Warlod Duelist/PP
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
Currently the best class is the mage, noob dmg and noob resistence cause substack tank, the best useless class after dwarf is the archer, i did full archer (element, skills+30 etc..), my friend duelist with Armor Tallum Plate "A" and skills+0, my best crit 1700 with 190 holy (duelist with 10 holy def), he hit me 4500 with bluster+0, full archer vs duelist 85 only, enjoy ;D ;D ;D
PS: Saggi/Warlod Duelist/PP
1v1 =/= 9v9.
Archers in 9v9 are very strong. With good pt setup/brains/gear-archers > mages.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
Currently the best class is the mage, noob dmg and noob resistence cause substack tank, the best useless class after dwarf is the archer, i did full archer (element, skills+30 etc..), my friend duelist with Armor Tallum Plate "A" and skills+0, my best crit 1700 with 190 holy (duelist with 10 holy def), he hit me 4500 with bluster+0, full archer vs duelist 85 only, enjoy ;D ;D ;D
PS: Saggi/Warlod Duelist/PP
Debil? Duelist is pretty much the strongest 1v1 char in the game, becouse the way he scales makes him godlike in olympiad and low-buff environment, he falls of in full buffed/organised fights in this chronicle (in H5 he still rules there lul). Archer is not solo rambo character anymore post interlude, its party class. Thats pretty much the only what changed between chronicles, Archers went from full noob mode to party needed, while the rest stayed the same. If you do think archers are useless, i will gladly prove that wrong. But i will not do it here on beta, because you would have time to cry on forum that they are OP, i'd rather do it on live.
Quote from: Peorexo on October 15, 2016, 10:35:13 AM
Debil? Duelist is pretty much the strongest 1v1 char in the game, becouse the way he scales makes him godlike in olympiad and low-buff environment, he falls of in full buffed/organised fights in this chronicle (in H5 he still rules there lul). Archer is not solo rambo character anymore post interlude, its party class. Thats pretty much the only what changed between chronicles, Archers went from full noob mode to party needed, while the rest stayed the same. If you do think archers are useless, i will gladly prove that wrong. But i will not do it here on beta, because you would have time to cry on forum that they are OP, i'd rather do it on live.
So a duelist with armor A rape archer full; if you want kill any archer just make glad with Equip A, u can rape a player that farm icarus weapon/element/skills+30. Very very good, I have to farm equip/skills and i can't play solo because any char with A grade can kill me.
Plz log in and prove me, if you will kill my char with "A" grade equip i pay you.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
my best crit 1700 with 190 holy (duelist with 10 holy def), he hit me 4500 with bluster+0, full archer vs duelist 85 only, enjoy ;D ;D ;D
PS:1700 dmg with QA and Baium ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
hex+block shield+real target+counter rapid shot+cert haste+party ai = 2k attackspeed + 5k+ dmg, say hello to underpowered archers.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 12:11:34 PM
So a duelist with armor A rape archer full; if you want kill any archer just make glad with Equip A, u can rape a player that farm icarus weapon/element/skills+30. Very very good, I have to farm equip/skills and i can't play solo because any char with A grade can kill me.
Plz log in and prove me, if you will kill my char with "A" grade equip i pay you.
PS:1700 dmg with QA and Baium ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
log in I will show u u chose my char u freaking loser newb
So make glad/pp on live server and you will kill everyone. It is more/less balanced right now.
@Topic
I agree with people above. Do not spend right now your energy on more custom events/turnaments/etc.
Focus on balancing changes (if you already done it, implement it and post changelog), PVP zones.
Quote from: Vexim on October 15, 2016, 12:20:25 PM
hex+block shield+real target+counter rapid shot+cert haste+party ai = 2k attackspeed + 5k+ dmg, say hello to underpowered archers.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA how much people i need for make dmg???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: mruwqa on October 15, 2016, 12:22:54 PM
log in I will show u u chose my char u freaking loser newb
I'm Emigratis in game, i w8 you for make some screen then i post here your fail
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 12:52:19 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA how much people i need for make dmg???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm Emigratis in game, i w8 you for make some screen then i post here your fail
a party
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 12:52:19 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA how much people i need for make dmg???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You know that L2 is MMO? It is not a single player game, find ppl to play with....
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 12:11:34 PM
So a duelist with armor A rape archer full; if you want kill any archer just make glad with Equip A, u can rape a player that farm icarus weapon/element/skills+30. Very very good, I have to farm equip/skills and i can't play solo because any char with A grade can kill me.
Plz log in and prove me, if you will kill my char with "A" grade equip i pay you.
PS:1700 dmg with QA and Baium ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yes, make a-grade glad and u will kill +16 ic bow +6 dyna set archer +30 skills. Its not even a thing to argue about, 1v1 there is not many classes who can fight a gladiator.
Quote from: Peorexo on October 15, 2016, 01:15:14 PM
Yes, make a-grade glad and u will kill +16 ic bow +6 dyna set archer +30 skills. Its not even a thing to argue about, 1v1 there is not many classes who can fight a gladiator.
You are drunk or what? ;D ;D ;D ;D, i have to farm bow +16 for kill a char 1v1? ahahhahahahaha
If anyone want play solo pvp can't here because L2 is MMO and solo pvp is banned enjoy enjoy ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry, i had to.
Quote from: Vexim on October 15, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
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Sorry, i had to.
You want to play solo. According to your tests glad is OMFG BEAST 1v1. Other people agreed that glad is good 1v1.
Make that facking gladiator.
Why the hell you are still trolling here? Saying that dworf should be pvp char, telling that archers sux because they cant 1 hit/1kill everyone.
Test all chars, find they one that fits you best, play it.
EOT, my job here is done
@PS
Still waiting for final changelog ;<
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Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 01:26:53 PM
You are drunk or what? ;D ;D ;D ;D, i have to farm bow +16 for kill a char 1v1? ahahhahahahaha
If anyone want play solo pvp can't here because L2 is MMO and solo pvp is banned enjoy enjoy ;D ;D ;D ;D
Kabaly on fake acc?
Quote from: Vexim on October 15, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
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Sorry, i had to.
When offy servers were Hellbound, I never seen an archer (same equip) do little damage so don't tell me that these are retail fix.
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For you all
I never seen so much ignorance in a forum
Enjoy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You were the target they were hitting hard?
Quote from: Jardiro on October 15, 2016, 03:03:18 PM
You were the target they were hitting hard?
i don't care what they say, this server will be Linemage.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 03:15:17 PM
i don't care what they say, this server will be Linemage.
Its because mages are easy to play ;)
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 12:52:19 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA how much people i need for make dmg???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Welcome to post interlude archers! Where they actually need friends to kill people instead of F1!
With all seriousness if you want to do damage as a solo archer do Trick/zerker, it's you best choice.
I'll lecture you on why HB/GF Archers dont hit as much.
From Interlude to HB:
+Chant of protection: Critical damaged reduced by 30%
+Song of Wind storm: 30% Bow resist
+Real Target(Which is direct counter to Windstorm and you can actually enchant it to -30% pdef)
As other people also said in this topic, there's more options out there to help you do more damage as a fighter. Sorry but archer isnt F1 anymore.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 12:52:19 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA how much people i need for make dmg???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm Emigratis in game, i w8 you for make some screen then i post here your fail
wtf did i just read
Im getting tired while reading such a retarded stuff over and over again.
Archers, daggers or some glad/tyr mix pts can rape any mage pt.
You have to make a good party setup (not a random one) and every player has to know how to play with his char, thats all. You can play anything you want, as long as you have a brain.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 03:15:17 PM
i don't care what they say, this server will be Linemage.
Thats what this Chronicle is about tbh. Although with the buffs/nerfs archers are quite strong (in party). 2k+ atk speed (top buffed with FI) and hiting for 2k~ ;) Learn to play Archers in this chronicle boy. no more F1! ;) L2 is about having a party, and in HB+ is mandatory to play with a kamalol in party as a Archer if u wanna dish out some dmgs.
Quote from: Clonage on October 15, 2016, 03:40:36 PM
Welcome to post interlude archers! Where they actually need friends to kill people instead of F1!
With all seriousness if you want to do damage as a solo archer do Trick/zerker, it's you best choice.
I'll lecture you on why HB/GF Archers dont hit as much.
From Interlude to HB:
+Chant of protection: Critical damaged reduced by 30%
+Song of Wind storm: 30% Bow resist
+Real Target(Which is direct counter to Windstorm and you can actually enchant it to -30% pdef)
As other people also said in this topic, there's more options out there to help you do more damage as a fighter. Sorry but archer isnt F1 anymore.
My friend didn't use buff chant of protection and windstorm. You understand i used saggi/warlod full element/skills+30 and my friend duelist/pp with dual ica and tallum plate armor? 1700 best crit (without chant and windstorm)
Anyway enjoy the mage F1 F1 /nexttarget.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 04:14:35 PM
My friend didn't use buff chant of protection and windstorm. You understand i used saggi/warlod full element/skills+30 and my friend duelist/pp with dual ica and tallum plate armor? 1700 best crit (without chant and windstorm)
Anyway enjoy the mage F1 F1 /nexttarget.
Why your friend wasted time enchanting any skill to +30? That won't be the way play Archer. As alot of people told you already, in HB you need a party to actually play Archer. AKA Real target + BlockShield. Enjoy your 1.7k crit becoming 2k+ Also your hiting 1.7k on a HEAVY set. Lul. We tested everything already, and Archers are MORE THEN BALANCED.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 04:14:35 PM
My friend didn't use buff chant of protection and windstorm. You understand i used saggi/warlod full element/skills+30 and my friend duelist/pp with dual ica and tallum plate armor? 1700 best crit (without chant and windstorm)
Anyway enjoy the mage F1 F1 /nexttarget.
I dont know how you are getting these values. I can do up to 3.5k on a mage with DC set as long as it doesnt hit the shield.
My HE/WL has DB+150 holy. Both targets full buffed and the SPS debuffed with Real target and VT.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on October 15, 2016, 04:20:23 PM
Why your friend wasted time enchanting any skill to +30? That won't be the way play Archer. As alot of people told you already, in HB you need a party to actually play Archer. AKA Real target + BlockShield. Enjoy your 1.7k crit becoming 2k+ Also your hiting 1.7k on a HEAVY set. Lul. We tested everything already, and Archers are MORE THEN BALANCED.
I tried to enchamt skills cause the low dmg, anyway see you.
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 04:25:53 PM
I tried to enchamt skills cause the low dmg, anyway see you.
My record crit with bow was 10k+ on non-tank light user, hf.
Quote from: Peorexo on October 15, 2016, 04:28:57 PM
My record crit with bow was 10k+ on non-tank light user, hf.
Log in and did 10k to my char robe user without sybstack, i w8 you char name is Mango.
Peoples without balls can play only in forum
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"WHAT ? I NEED TO BE IN A PARTY TO WIN PVPS? WHAT IS THIS ? GLAD IS OP"
Its not even about laziness, its more like no one wants to waste their time trying to teach a random almighty boy something that is quite obvious. If he didn't understand by now, he won't understand even if someone proves it to him on beta. Probably just going to make some excuses and continue with his almighty and god-like speech
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Quote from: Picksy on October 15, 2016, 05:12:59 PM
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"WHAT ? I NEED TO BE IN A PARTY TO WIN PVPS? WHAT IS THIS ? GLAD IS OP"
Glad is fine, only archers need pt for 5vs1, i need 4 peoples that debuff then i can 1v1, enjoy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: trololo on October 15, 2016, 06:08:30 PM
Its not even about laziness, its more like no one wants to waste their time trying to teach a random almighty boy something that is quite obvious. If he didn't understand by now, he won't understand even if someone proves it to him on beta. Probably just going to make some excuses and continue with his almighty and god-like speech
4 peoples say me i'll log and i prove you but no one log, poor guys.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'll use avadon robe and you icarus bow 150 element, have you balls or no? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 08:02:49 PM
Glad is fine, only archers need pt for 5vs1, i need 4 peoples that debuff then i can 1v1, enjoy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If you fight full buff againts full buff then you need other people to do serious damage, if you fight olympiad u're fine. Well i guess it doesnt matter, we cant force a retard to learn something.
Quote from: Peorexo on October 15, 2016, 08:05:33 PM
If you fight full buff againts full buff then you need other people to do serious damage, if you fight olympiad u're fine. Well i guess it doesnt matter, we cant force a retard to learn something.
Hello retard guy, i did test with pp buff only. How many retards just write in forum, have balls and log in then i can post your stupid dmg and stop write here?
1. U didnt see retail, not even on movies I guess
2. can we ban him already from forums
3. im waiting for your glad on live
4. im fighter
5. im king.
6. bring more mages :))
Zefy, we're all telling you that you are just wrong. Archers aren't weak, they are just bad in 1v1 scenarios. 9v9 (which is what this game is all about, "MMO"RPG), archers are good. Specially when you go and try to 1v1 one of the best chars to 1v1 with, glad. Now, you can keep thinking you are right, and you can keep calling people pussy or forum warriors for not testing on beta, but the truth is, no one is going to waste their time, trying to explain this to you. This is a basic concept of L2, some chars are good in 1v1, some are good in oly self buffed, some are good in party, etc etc etc. If you cannot understand this little MAJOR thing, how do you expect anyone to go show you on beta ? Take your head out of your ass and listen to what literally everyone is telling you.
Quote from: mruwqa on October 16, 2016, 12:59:18 AM
1. U didnt see retail, not even on movies I guess
2. can we ban him already from forums
3. im waiting for your glad on live
4. im fighter
5. im king.
6. bring more mages :))
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Quote from: Zefy on October 15, 2016, 08:09:57 PM
Hello retard guy......... How many retards just write in forum.
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Quote from: Zefy on October 16, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
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bring ur glad in a grades, i will prove u that u are wrong
im ig, pm gladly - have not much time
1. The past several pages are not about "Opinion about starting server".
2. L2 like almost all other RPG, MMORPG, MOBA games have different champions/heroes which differ. Some are strongest 1v1, others 2v1, others can't do shit without support/party in general, initiation and etc. But the common thing between those genres is that they all are a TEAM/PARTY oriented games. You need cooperation, team play, common sense, strategy and imagination to be able to be competitive and actually do something with the virtual avatar you have chosen to play.
3. @Zefy the people here are trying to help you by sharing with you simple facts and information about this game called "Lineage 2". I was a SR/SWS (hero) on last HB and it was super fun 1v1, 1v9, 9v9 or whatever. You can kill a lot of people 1v1, have insane atack speed (3k+), do a lot of crits, outrun your enemigos and all kinds of archery stuff. If you love the class that you are playing just enjoy it with all its cons and pros.
My class was hurting a lot of people even without the balances that they are making now(while considered the weakest amongst the other races). And ye i also ate a lot of 16k mage crits so just chill and pew pew.
4. Have fun while it lasts!