Redeem your sins today! If you would like to continue playing, redeem your sins via PM, give me details of your character! After I judge how bad sin it was, MAYBE, we will forgive you and let you move on to catch up others. If you were really bad, we are sorry, we cant forgive you.
Merry Christmas.
Also would be good to inform other players about this. Like providing nicks of unbanned chars.
Quote from: GhostSlayer on January 06, 2017, 04:33:06 PM
Also would be good to inform other players about this. Like providing nicks of unbanned chars.
Do you have banned chars ??? :)) are you bad man ??? :P
Quote from: DARRKS on January 06, 2017, 05:37:29 PM
Do you have banned chars ??? :)) are you bad man ??? :P
All my and fear members chars are unbanned and fine. I am asking this cause we want to know the number of those unbanned people and who they were in order to see if this server can survive this chaos.
Banning people who buy items for money was a huge mistake, so good call on trying to fix this.
You dont kick people from Mcdonalds because they ate in Subway, you adjust your service. (or you bomb Subway, but not your customers)
Imho to pardon buyers is a good idea. Lost money is a suffiecient punishment, even if they knew that they are buying illegal goods in large amounts. No need to perma ban them. After all... They are the golden goose of the server.
To understand all this situation better, just turn to history lessons about dry-laws of USA and USSR. Ppl did continue to buy booze, money did continued to flow that direction, just w/o taxes. In the end government lost profit and created huge smuggling industry.
Quote from: Mijamoto on January 06, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
Imho to pardon buyers is a good idea. Lost money is a suffiecient punishment, even if they knew that they are buying illegal goods in large amounts. No need to perma ban them. After all... They are the golden goose of the server.
To understand all this situation better, just turn to history lessons about dry-laws of USA and USSR. Ppl did continue to buy booze, money did continued to flow that direction, just w/o taxes. In the end government lost profit and created huge smuggling industry.
But it's still a question if they will want to play after spending money for items which they lost... :D
Quote from: IvolveR on January 06, 2017, 05:48:01 PM
Banning people who buy items for money was a huge mistake, so good call on trying to fix this.
You dont kick people from Mcdonalds because they ate in Subway, you adjust your service. (or you bomb Subway, but not your customers)
If Subway sellers would come inside Mcdonalds and sell food, you would ban them :D
Subway and Mcdonalds are 2 different servers in your example :D
So we can cheat/exploit/dupe items and take advantage of them until you catch us and the you will take the items away and we can keep playing here and can do it over and over again.
Good to know
Sorry for being sarcastic but i think its a horrible idea... i rather play a server with less ppl that play fair then a server filled with cheaters
Quote from: Tessellate on January 06, 2017, 06:14:13 PM
So we can cheat/exploit/dupe items and take advantage of them until you catch us and the you will take the items away and we can keep playing here and can do it over and over again.
Good to know
No we can't, but for example ppl, which only bought items shouldn't be punished more than they deserve. As Mijamoto said, loosing money is suffiecient punishment.
Quote from: Tessellate on January 06, 2017, 06:14:13 PM
So we can cheat/exploit/dupe items and take advantage of them until you catch us and the you will take the items away and we can keep playing here and can do it over and over again.
Good to know
You do know very much how we always insist of legit playing, and it will remain like that. There was no dupe in this case, simply some bad person decided to earn money for himself and screw up others, items that were created on that way are deleted and people who did it are punished and for them there will be no 2nd chance, thats why i said that i will evaluate each case. There are some people that probably should be unbanned, exactly for them i made this topic.
Just for global information, it was around 60ish chars affected (of course 30% of were from the same person), therefor this aint traggedy. Mostly why some of those players are pissed is because they paid real cash to someones private paypal for items that are deleted, there is no licence agreement nor donation agreement for it, so i strongly suggest you (since Sam or whoever) tricked you, ask your money back, you have all the legal rights.
Anyway, leave this topic out of spam, i really want some people to read this topic and come back.
Merry Xmas guys
Quote from: GhostSlayer on January 06, 2017, 06:12:09 PM
If Subway sellers would come inside Mcdonalds and sell food, you would ban them :D
Subway and Mcdonalds are 2 different servers in your example :D
No, the example is right, if a seller of Subways comes into McDonalds, you just ban the seller, not the people buying to him, you don't even take the sandwichs they bought from him because they're customers, you want them to not worry about what they did because is not their fault.
Some people in the server take an advantage of a situation, like this is the only time it happened on DN, no of course is not ... and the situation is not their fault. As a programmer I cannot avoid to think that if Sam was on trial for 1 year then Track and Alanah failed to check his moves, because this is a situation caused not by players but by the staff itself. So the logic in this case is not to punish players but the staff.
I had a server myself for another game, and in order to avoid this kind of situations was to read the logs everyday to check their moves, and then I passed to read logs from a week, and so on until the trial ended. Of course after that I checked logs often to check specific things like creating items. Was my responsability thats why I worked so hard for it.
Quote from: Zidkon on January 06, 2017, 07:48:16 PM
No, the example is right, if a seller of Subways comes into McDonalds, you just ban the seller, not the people buying to him, you don't even take the sandwichs they bought from him because they're customers, you want them to not worry about what they did because is not their fault.
Some people in the server take an advantage of a situation, like this is the only time it happened on DN, no of course is not ... and the situation is not their fault. As a programmer I cannot avoid to think that if Sam was on trial for 1 year then Track and Alanah failed to check his moves, because this is a situation caused not by players but by the staff itself. So the logic in this case is not to punish players but the staff.
I had a server myself for another game, and in order to avoid this kind of situations was to read the logs everyday to check their moves, and then I passed to read logs from a week, and so on until the trial ended. Of course after that I checked logs often to check specific things like creating items. Was my responsability thats why I worked so hard for it.
Yeah but buying sandwiches from this illegal seller they are supporting illegal actions willingly thus turning back to the legal staff of the DN...
We can make analogies until tomorrow but you get the point xD
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 06, 2017, 04:13:26 PM
Redeem your sins today! If you would like to continue playing, redeem your sins via PM, give me details of your character! After I judge how bad sin it was, MAYBE, we will forgive you and let you move on to catch up others. If you were really bad, we are sorry, we cant forgive you.
Merry Christmas.
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For what HellCaster got ban ?
Quote from: djvancho on January 09, 2017, 01:46:16 AM
For what HellCaster got ban ?
How are you related to him?
Also, why in the world that concerns you?
He isnt banned without a reason, nor he was an hard working dwarf that craft and spoils 24/7 to get items.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 09, 2017, 06:42:09 AM
How are you related to him?
Also, why in the world that concerns you?
He isnt banned without a reason, nor he was an hard working dwarf that craft and spoils 24/7 to get items.
since its server side leader and his allyleader we are all intrested
I'm interested because my cp stop to play because he got ban for some funny arguments ,as i heard moschowfish log hellcasters char. I think is normal CP members to know accs of all CP chars.Our party have 2 members witch dont have chars and log chars what is needed to be logged .I think this is not reason to got ban .
Quote from: djvancho on January 09, 2017, 03:40:38 PM
I'm interested because my cp stop to play because he got ban for some funny arguments ,as i heard moschowfish log hellcasters char. I think is normal CP members to know accs of all CP chars.Our party have 2 members witch dont have chars and log chars what is needed to be logged .I think this is not reason to got ban .
And also to get top items and rb set out of the sky.
@cp , we do illegal actions, we got caught and banned , then use that as excuse to say "we are leaving server sux" , sounds legit imo
If Hell is reading here he can copy your conversation with him. Where he asked you why he is banned and you told him because of Moscow or you frogot this? Do you think Hell is so retarded to ask you twice and search for you in skype if he had epics? Nvm we will not come here again since not the sold items were the problems but some random idiots like MissClown and Django running with epics since 2nd week. Sometimes we were winning pvps vs their pt sometimes we were loosing. But when we got killed it was unbelievable how they hit me 3-4k on full resist hvy armor if they don't have epics. Half of my cp were thinking setup was wrong, buffs, ressists were wrong, but no.
800 euro for full epics set and 2,5e per gmc that was the secret. Apologises for Fear beacause I've heard for randoms with antharases claimed to be bought from Fears.
well, no1 will ever know apart from track why he got banned.
anyway, at least u guys know we didint sell any epics..
are u guys still playing? or left as well?
Quote from: Abruzzi on January 09, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
If Hell is reading here he can copy your conversation with him. Where he asked you why he is banned and you told him because of Moscow or you frogot this? Do you think Hell is so retarded to ask you twice and search for you in skype if he had epics? Nvm we will not come here again since not the sold items were the problems but some random idiots like MissClown and Django running with epics since 2nd week. Sometimes we were winning pvps vs their pt sometimes we were loosing. But when we got killed it was unbelievable how they hit me 3-4k on full resist hvy armor if they don't have epics. Half of my cp were thinking setup was wrong, buffs, ressists were wrong, but no.
800 euro for full epics set and 2,5e per gmc that was the secret. Apologises for Fear beacause I've heard for randoms with antharases claimed to be bought from Fears.
Fear never sold any epics or used any sort of bug/exploit/cheat (donations for epics, cat npc and other sh1t) to get anything from what we have. Everything we got is pure legit. I hope people are starting to understand that now.
About hellcaster i have no idea, but i think that all those bans should not be secret. There should be a ban list with explanation next to it, like it was before.
Just my 5 cents on this.
Situation here is worse than on the greek pvp server... as I mentioned game balance was broken from 2nd week. And banlist will not change anything, since track talk about epics on Hell, Hell told me not true. I'm not telling Track is laying but from my experience on tarantula I believe to Hell.
Quote from: Abruzzi on January 09, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
If Hell is reading here he can copy your conversation with him. Where he asked you why he is banned and you told him because of Moscow or you frogot this? Do you think Hell is so retarded to ask you twice and search for you in skype if he had epics? Nvm we will not come here again since not the sold items were the problems but some random idiots like MissClown and Django running with epics since 2nd week. Sometimes we were winning pvps vs their pt sometimes we were loosing. But when we got killed it was unbelievable how they hit me 3-4k on full resist hvy armor if they don't have epics. Half of my cp were thinking setup was wrong, buffs, ressists were wrong, but no.
800 euro for full epics set and 2,5e per gmc that was the secret. Apologises for Fear beacause I've heard for randoms with antharases claimed to be bought from Fears.
Sorry what the hell are you talking about? You realise by now that GM Sam was a corrupted cunt who did this mess? Me,drake,Alannah nor Eva had nothing to do with it, he was simply cashing money with his friend. Shit happens, and well i cant change it. But we cant also let big items to walk around freely.
Game balance was broken? And how so?
Hellcaster is in deepshit with logs of him, i dont care who was a friend of who nor who was a cp to who, we were searching for exploited items, and i can tell you hellcaster was one of top 5 bad guys, including Moscow_fish, Sam and co. Later on, when i find time, ill post some logs of him, then you can decide was he bad or not, or you find it normal that you get a trade of Valakas or any top item just like that. Maybe yes in your world.
Also, just after i found out how RM crew is exploiting the server, i perma banned him, and yet they/him dont realise it is a big deal that they are doing shits, so yea im getting msgs like this
Quote from: Moscow_Fish on December 28, 2016, 01:52:55 AM
Hi
really, perma ban for few skills, that didn't give super advantage?
whether it was too strict?
Now, i really dont understand in which angel you believ, but RM and Hellcaster is not definetly. Also i dont understand how you are related to them, or why you care so much about it, unless you got also piece of the cake as well or bought illegal items.
May i also remind you that you was ACCUSING me on Tarantula that i was helping players on siege (ofc i didnt), and because of that "SMALL" thing you and your CP wanted to leave? And now you try to defend these kind of people who did 10000000000000x worst thing.
Please, spare me your ballocks, and if you dont want to play legit, pick some other server.
PS If you knew, and you knew, that official donations are COINS ONLY, you were aware that if you are buying items for real money (its written in the rules that selling items for money is illegal) you are risking that some day when we get enough proofs of such actions, people who were in the possession of such items will be banned and items deleted.
Wish you all the best, please dont use this as an excuse to leave and trashtalk about server, just because bad players were caught and punished. I do wear a certain burden because of Sam, but always believed in humanity, thus God had another plan.
Quote from: GhostSlayer on January 09, 2017, 05:48:22 PM
Fear never sold any epics or used any sort of bug/exploit/cheat (donations for epics, cat npc and other sh1t) to get anything from what we have. Everything we got is pure legit. I hope people are starting to understand that now.
About hellcaster i have no idea, but i think that all those bans should not be secret. There should be a ban list with explanation next to it, like it was before.
Just my 5 cents on this.
haha never and what was at last server?? :P rly you trol is .... but gl and hf :P
800 euro for boss jewels from Sam yes, not you, not Alannah or someone else.
I exaclty remember what happened to that siege and how mysteriousely my shadow dance jsut vanished. I was the only bd on server with shadow if you remember and we were the only clan who took castle on first sieges because of shadow. All players started qq for exploit but it wasnt exploit. I don't know exactly how guards aggro etc so maybe mistake was mine. I talk about that you pmed me on second day of server asking me "How you got this amout of adena?", then on Baium pmed me "Leave Baium to others stop trying you cannot kill it" (after 6 hours of runnign we killed it). That why im lil bit reserver about you. If you don't know how I'm connected with RM lol :D. I don't defend anybody I don't have access to Hell acc to know what he has infact. Fact is that my cp don't have any single item missing. Only bought items from market were some fire stones no more than 50. If you are curious and really don't know my ingame nick i can tell you and check all my cp every sinlge char for something illegal.
Quote from: skarpeta on January 09, 2017, 06:19:22 PM
haha never and what was at last server?? :P rly you trol is .... but gl and hf :P
I am talking about this server.
I like many people think that losing the real money was more than enough punishment for those players who bought those items
Quote from: Kaylon on January 09, 2017, 06:28:39 PM
Don't really got ur point Abruzzi, ur party stopped to play because Hellcaster got ban? There is still plenty of ppl that are playing here so u can always join other clan or play with 1 Cp only. Basicly u lost nothing and still bitc.hing thats no point to play here.
Why you didnt play with 1 CP from start? xD
Quote from: Kaylon on January 09, 2017, 06:28:39 PM
Don't really got ur point Abruzzi, ur party stopped to play because Hellcaster got ban? There is still plenty of ppl that are playing here so u can always join other clan or play with 1 Cp only. Basicly u lost nothing and still bitc.hing thats no point to play here.
Hellcaster ban was one of the reasons, we were waiting to see what will happen after mass chars stripping. They I saw this missclown screens - this make the difference, while we were farming forts and pvp with you and others gm was selling for money, and ppl that are loosers outplayed us. To continue playing with one cp with who? Join DM or what. Server is one side we tried to make the second side since DM is not war with Fear and some of them play together in parties. After Hell ban we are no longer side.
P.S. We leave with pride and will not join enemy team just to play here. DM members spammed me for items which is pathetic. LittleJohn all day was crying to leave him farm forts. Some of players here are pathetic and qq alot. I used to play with big clans where this was unthinkable. As I remember Scary was under our command long time ago :D
Quote from: nilo415 on January 09, 2017, 06:25:45 PM
I like many people think that losing the real money was more than enough punishment for those players who bought those items
I put myself in skin of those poeple, believe me. Althou, as i said earlier they can ask for a refund from Sam and co.
Anyway, i really refunded/still refunding lots of those poor players, however i can not give them back Valakas,Antharas, enchanted weapons etc...some compromise have to exist.
PS If someone could provide me RL name of django (aka evil assistent of Sam) i would really apreaciate it. Of course anonymusly.
Eric Morlon Bishop thats what i found :)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 09, 2017, 07:22:06 PM
I put myself in skin of those poeple, believe me. Althou, as i said earlier they can ask for a refund from Sam and co.
Anyway, i really refunded/still refunding lots of those poor players, however i can not give them back Valakas,Antharas, enchanted weapons etc...some compromise have to exist.
PS If someone could provide me RL name of django (aka evil assistent of Sam) i would really apreaciate it. Of course anonymusly.
As i heard Sam was Django xD
wait... people still talking about this ? get over it lol.
Go legit next time and maybe things like this wont happen.
Quote from: Picksy on January 10, 2017, 05:15:06 AM
wait... people still talking about this ? get over it lol.
Go legit next time and maybe things like this wont happen.
Well you cannot say much when every clan has bots somewhere in the server so, please, stfu and play, cry when you need etc...