Archer Question

[Furesy]

Yea but i was talking about tk who has shield defense from all sides Are you sure the 70% crit rate really works here, cuz i never noticed any bigger crit rate when i was testing stuff...

In Interlude it did, would be pretty weird if it doesn't anymore in HB, but... this is DN after all

[TomekAlmighty]

oh looks like you quitted l2 long ago, well actually i said that because shield doesnt work from back if you are not TK or SK and its like 500 pdef less vs archers

Yea i know dude, but i was talking about my sps/tk that it doesnt bother me if i get hit from front or back 

In Interlude it did, would be pretty weird if it doesn't anymore in HB, but... this is DN after all

Well, i really didnt play much after interlude update but i never knew about the higher crit from back , not that it would make any difference if i would know that but anyways... Im ashamed that i didnt know that

[Deavon]

Question is , is it true they are doing 1k max crit on mages with robe set, while mages do 7-8k all the time? In generally are arhcers fuked up?Is it true they got bad patack and range?

P.attack is ok .
Range is totally bugged from time to time and i really makes me angry ,sometimes happens even to have same or less range than mages .

About mages damage , i got normal hit for 2k by necros and m.critical +/- 12k ,even when i go to pvp with total anti-mage set up(including all resists ) i still get 800 damage normal and m.critical around 7k .

[TheLox]

P.attack is ok .
Range is totally bugged from time to time and i really makes me angry ,sometimes happens even to have same or less range than mages .

About mages damage , i got normal hit for 2k by necros and m.critical +/- 12k ,even when i go to pvp with total anti-mage set up(including all resists ) i still get 800 damage normal and m.critical around 7k .

Cuase you are freakin edited gaygreek! STFU!

[Sali]

not counting that archers got 1300+ range, mages still 900

mby at snipe, but after all what for u need range of snipe when u can move? or u havent played archer, so u cant know :< ur talking about range that archers should have, not about the true 1,
Also about hit at mages, its +/- ok, some geting hits from 2k some for 1k and some others for 600 ( not tank classes).
Also mages have to big p def (look at pawciu scree, 2k p def while at he/pp in light armore i can reach 1.8k Oo)
Overall, most of archers have no chance in 1v1 with mage, also in mass pvp its kinda unplayable while ur geting hits starting from 5k m crit going up to 10k. It remind me more Wild West than a L2, just the "wrong side" is pew pewing all .
a posible things that could fix this is:
-remove mages boost they get some time ago
-fix armore atribute
-nerf mages p def ( by cuting masteries or smthing)

[BanThemAll]

I have a es/sps and i have max 2k p.def (with cov and tateo hairband)

If mages use cov for p.def they cant use pow so -> less m.crits.

I get around 1.3k / 1.6k of pro archers (Ica bow+atribute lvl 9 +full rb set) from the front with shield defense and full buffs 2k p.def +cop+windstorm). And 900/1.2k from regular archers (Dyna set+atribute+Dyna bow or DB++++++)

And if they are full buff with elemental/song of elemental i hit them with hydro crits of 700-900.

So why u say its not balanced?

Mages with cov dont spam m.crits.

And for the ppl that say that they dont have dyna or ica bow and they dont hit too much..wait for next c4 items event

Atribute system works both ways. For mages and archers, so dont cry about that.

Maybe necros are a bit OP but only if they have full rb /ica++++/atribute lvl 9.If they dont they hit like always.

[Sali]

I have a es/sps and i have max 2k p.def (with cov and tateo hairband)

If mages use cov for p.def they cant use pow so -> less m.crits.

I get around 1.3k / 1.6k of pro archers (Ica bow+atribute lvl 9 +full rb set) from the front with shield defense and full buffs 2k p.def +cop+windstorm). And 900/1.2k from regular archers (Dyna set+atribute+Dyna bow or DB++++++)

And if they are full buff with elemental/song of elemental i hit them with hydro crits of 700-900.

So why u say its not balanced?

Mages with cov dont spam m.crits.

And for the ppl that say that they dont have dyna or ica bow and they dont hit too much..wait for next c4 items event

Atribute system works both ways. For mages and archers, so dont cry about that.

Maybe necros are a bit OP but only if they have full rb /ica++++/atribute lvl 9.If they dont they hit like always.

just a bullshit, 1st of all we are not talking about players in dc robe sets and som+a, face that if u still dont have dyna it only mean u suck and its not conected with that mages need boost/or no nerf
2nd. rly would like ur nick ig, so may compare the dmg u just said to dmg realy dealed.
3rd. sps is not created to deal a lot of dmg by normal hits but to do more crits than other mages
4th. the 1 who made bigest dmg at me so far is guy with dynast mace so its far from ic+++++++++++++
5th atribute work both way if it work right, for now it work much better for mages till armore atributes suck big time
6th mage with lower gear still can do much more than archer, to deal some decent dmg with archer u need baium+aq, dyna ic bow while mage need am+a and dynasty ;p ( look at wahka as an example )
at the end its not topic about "i lack gear so i QQ" but as u mby noticed most of ppl who replied here have top gear.

[BanThemAll]

just a bullshit, 1st of all we are not talking about players in dc robe sets and som+a, face that if u still dont have dyna it only mean u suck and its not conected with that mages need boost/or no nerf
2nd. rly would like ur nick ig, so may compare the dmg u just said to dmg realy dealed.
3rd. sps is not created to deal a lot of dmg by normal hits but to do more crits than other mages
4th. the 1 who made bigest dmg at me so farm is guy with dynast mace so its far from ic+++++++++++++
5th atribute work both way if it work right, for now it work much better for mages till armore atributes suck big time
6th mage with lower gear still can do much more than archer, to deal some decent dmg with archer u need baium+aq, dyna ic bow while mage need am+a and dynasty ;p ( look at wahka as an example )
at the end its not topic about "i lack gear so i QQ" but as u mby noticed most of ppl who replied here have top gear.

1) I have dyna set and full rb +dyna mace so stfu ( i doubt a sps/es with dc can reach 2k p.def lol)
2) even if i give u mi nick u wont know me
3)thats obvious xD. Other mages might have more m.atak but lower cast so its almost the same.
4)n/c
5)I dont know if it works well or not. I just say that archers/mages got a great boost in attack coz of atribute system.
6)Ofc mages need lower gear to pvp, if u want to make dmg with archer u would need at least some rb jewels and dyna set but thats gameplay..if u cant aford that dont make archer.
About OL drain.. with 2.8k or 2.9k m.def (with magnus and full buff) best ol drain (a ol/xx with ica+10 ) was for 450/500 so i dont think thats a problem.

And another thing, archers now have Counter Mind/shot/dash etc for the whole pt so its another boost for archers.

[Taekwondo]

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[scary]

1) I have dyna set and full rb +dyna mace so stfu ( i doubt a sps/es with dc can reach 2k p.def lol)
2) even if i give u mi nick u wont know me
3)thats obvious xD. Other mages might have more m.atak but lower cast so its almost the same.
4)n/c
5)I dont know if it works well or not. I just say that archers/mages got a great boost in attack coz of atribute system.
6)Ofc mages need lower gear to pvp, if u want to make dmg with archer u would need at least some rb jewels and dyna set but thats gameplay..if u cant aford that dont make archer.
About OL drain.. with 2.8k or 2.9k m.def (with magnus and full buff) best ol drain (a ol/xx with ica+10 ) was for 450/500 so i dont think thats a problem.

And another thing, archers now have Counter Mind/shot/dash etc for the whole pt so its another boost for archers.

tbh u dont know a sh1t dude rofl..

[tzuc]

make he/necro xD .. activate arcane power you have permanent counter dash .. LULZ )) ( j/k dunno if self damage from arcane power triggers counter dash )

[Furesy]

1) I have dyna set and full rb +dyna mace so stfu ( i doubt a sps/es with dc can reach 2k p.def lol)
2) even if i give u mi nick u wont know me
3)thats obvious xD. Other mages might have more m.atak but lower cast so its almost the same.
4)n/c
5)I dont know if it works well or not. I just say that archers/mages got a great boost in attack coz of atribute system.
6)Ofc mages need lower gear to pvp, if u want to make dmg with archer u would need at least some rb jewels and dyna set but thats gameplay..if u cant aford that dont make archer.
About OL drain.. with 2.8k or 2.9k m.def (with magnus and full buff) best ol drain (a ol/xx with ica+10 ) was for 450/500 so i dont think thats a problem.

And another thing, archers now have Counter Mind/shot/dash etc for the whole pt so its another boost for archers.

I gotta go to school and finish my exams but this post doesn't really show the real deal at PvP's

No time to answer points, maybe later! qq