Server Merge (Pro/Cons)

[vaiper]

Hello guys, after talking with a old GM he convinced me to do this post .

I will post here the pros and cons(imo) about merging the 3 servers (Dragon, NM and Infi)  and it would be nice if any player or GM can give opinions about this.

Pros:
-Many players in 1 server = More pvp and fun at raids/sieges.
-A big GM team dedicated to 1 server= More events, less bots and more GM help. About this point.. i would only give full GM powers to TrackZero And Kain (NM GMs) since i know they are fair and non corrupted.(Sorry to to the other servers GM but i dont know them). Specially coz TrackZero and Kain DONT have ingame characters. (imo GM and player is always a bad combo )
-Some of the old players that stoped playing will come back, also new players will start to come again. (Many of the players that leaved was because Server was bored and they were always doing the same)
-Many PvP sides in the server.(More clans/ally= More Sides)
-A BIG community is always better than separated smaller ones.
-More Donations (More ppl = More donation )
-Happy players = Players that vote everyday .

Cons:
-Server would need a hardware upgrade to be able to handle all the players without lag.
-Some extra work for the GM team (maybe its not a con  )
-Unstable server economy first days/weeks due to diference between server prices. (It will stabilize after some time anyway)
-Change in server rates. (I dont see a big diference between a x5 x15 x30 servers since u can make lvl 82 char in less than 1 week in all of them).
-About OE weapons..talking to some ppl i got the idea of making the max enchant to +16 would be the best balance.(ppl would still keep theyr "RED" weapon without making some "OP" dmg.This point goes mainly for Dragon server, since there are more OE weapons than in NM and infi.(If u dont like the idea think it like this.. would you rather have your +20 weapon and be siting in any village all day or have it +16 making a little dmg diference and be in pvp all day long..?)
About OE Sets/jewels i think there is no problem since there arent many of them.(or if they are make smth with them like with weapons).
-About OE skills i would make it like weapons.(Just make "x" number max skill enchant and lower all to that number)
-The last 2 points were mostly for balance and no so cons..
-After the merge ppl would have a "ugly" [NM] or [DN] prefix before its name, coz some names are used in both servers.(Not a big problem anyway)

After reading ur replys or if i think more pro/cons i will update them.

Yea i know there are many problems with this kind of "merge" but the  the pros clrearly are worth the time/effort to make it happen.


Some suggestions from players:
-Make some areas like (Seal of Shilien,Near Blasing Swamp spawn, etc) a pvp place, i mean make some "special" mobs (lvl 80+) to spawn around there droping(or quest item) items that u may trade later for new endgame items(that dont affect balance too much) like for example: LvL 5 Tattos(not much bonus diference than with lvl 4),S Grade Shirt/Bracelets, non-tradeable "random" Forgoten Scrolls or the chance of getting a Dyna/Icarus parts/recipe  .Making something like these will keep pvp nonstop in those areas. (its better if there are only 2 areas with not many mobs that drops the items so pvp its even better)
In old server like ours one of the main problems is the lack of new endgame items( that doenst affect balance too much) since ppl dont feel the need to farm anymore (or pvp for the farming spots).
-40 ppl Clan system and more clans per ally. (this would help smaller/new clans)
-A Deathmatch auto event. For example 150 ppl register and later they are all teleported to coli(or some place like that) at the same time and the last one alive wins smth. (u cant make pt there or ress/buff the other players).

Any suggestions are welcomed.


I Heard sometimes that this "Merge" is imposible, but no one seems to know the reason. So if any GM can post here "why" its so impossible i would gladly help u to get a solution. (something like "xx" database is not compatible with "xx" smth) after all we are a community to help each other. I know tons of l2 servers that make this kind of merge and most of them were "c4 off extended files" like our server.


So for the moment thats all

Thx for reading and plx try to not spam too much this topic. (yea i know its hard  )

And here its a old pic to remember the good old days http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8422/oldloader.jpg and hope They come back.

ps: Im not this forum account owner, but i dont know why registration in forum is disabled. (I play here since c3 )

[2Dark4You]

+1 to all
But join the new server to...We dont want to be left out.

[Drakina]

Agree with all!... specially with the max enchant +16 (that will balance the pvps) and the event to obtain shirts S, brazalets and forgotten scrolls 81+ (as items not tradeable).

[M@ster]

And here its a old pic to remember the good old days http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8422/oldloader.jpg and hope They come back.

and something in addition http://web.archive.org/web/20060613101041/http://www.dragon-network.net/ 

[Lianie*]

A big GM team dedicated to 1 server= More events, less bots and more GM help.
About this point.. i would only give full GM powers to TrackZero And Kain (NM GMs)

- Lets guess, you are a nightmare player, if not at least you got connection to one of them or both (doesn't really matter)
- First point would mean at least 6-12 GMs, which would be too much, only two from one Server would be also a bad idea
(nothing against Track or Kain.. )

Some of the old players that stoped playing will come back, also new players will start to come again.
(Many of the players that leaved was because Server was bored and they were always doing the same)

- Who told you that they will / want to come back if this will happen? None.
- We want new players, also old ones, not just "specials"

Many players in 1 server = More pvp and fun at raids/sieges.
Many PvP sides in the server.(More clans/ally= More Sides)

- More crashes, more lags, more bots .. and more players which mean they are better as others and spam
forum with stupid reports (allyfights and so on)

A big community is always better than separated smaller ones..

- ..and one big spam
- too many database crap to handle with (.. same names, castle owners, alliances and clannames etc.)

More Donations (More ppl = More donation)

- Not really.. (1â,¬ - 1Coin - same player amount, same Donations .. etc.)

Oh, damn. was Pro-list ..

Server would need a hardware upgrade to be able to handle all the players without lag.

- 3 Servers, different rates.. what tells you that?
(going back to history x: ".. too many players, thats why we added some new servers .."

Some extra work for the GM team (maybe its not a con  )

- Should I add something i wrote before.. (ofc 2 GMs will have to do a sh!t job)

Unstable server economy first days/weeks due to diference between server prices
(It will stabilize after some time anyway)

Come out from your dreamworld, you just can not simple add a new server with DB from 3 others
with different rates. Maybe some old players join back, but most of the "old-rates-players" will leave.
Example: 5x + 15x + 30x = ? (thinking about the rate which will add, 5x Players could think like: for what i worked that hard?!)
Watch stupid prices - thats nothing compared to other rates (talking from Dnet only)

Change in server rates
(I dont see a big diference between a x5 [..] servers since u can make lvl 82 char in less than 1 week in all of them).

- Which Rate/s should new server have? huh
- About 5x and level 82 in one week, nice joke

About OE weapons.. [..] and Sets/jewels.. [..] .. +16

- If Infinity would have even safeenchants up to +5 it would be messed up..

About OE skills i would make it like weapons.(Just make "x" number max skill enchant and lower all to that number)

- Do you really think that works THAT easy?!

After the merge ppl would have a "ugly" [NM] or [DN] prefix before its name, coz some names are used in both servers
(Not a big problem anyway)

Stop to seperate NM > rest from DN
Infinity and Dragon are a part from DNet same as NM Server.

[..] there are many problems with this kind of "merge" but the  the pros clrearly are worth the time/effort [..]

Are you serious?!

Please don't merge servers

Im not this forum account owner, but i dont know why registration in forum is disabled. (I play here since c3 )

Urg.. please watch more often forum to get some new informations

[Furesy]

Hi there ,

^piccy^ and me often talk about that Topic ....

after all cons i see  , something is realy missing , ClanHalls - who is willing to give up his Clan hall.

Yes Yes now you are saying , make all CH free for auction again , but i dont agree , as long there
is no solution for a clan clans to keep the CH.

Regards

Norther

Who cares about clanhalls? xD They really are not so important, and if you would merge servers, it's better to entirely dissolve all clans/alliances and make every single player clanless, this would force people to work together as a clan and lvl their new clans, create new clans, new alliances etc. Rather than sticking with the same old sh*t from all 3 servers lol

[Argriev]

about clan hall server are minimum 5X so lets start to increase rent of ch of 5x and u will see that not active clan will leave it

[Furesy]

@Furesy

for some Clans they are very important .... belive it or not but some clans seems to depend on it
and not all Clans or Allies are having the feeling of "Old Sh.t"
Who are we to force Clans/ally to dissolve/delete ...... 

If players would want that merge, they would need to sacrifice something, losing your clan and clanhall is not a big deal, clans can be remade and clanhalls can be regained. If you fuse the 3 servers, there will be way more players, way more sides, way more clans and alliances anyway, probably a lot of players would switch or what so ever. It would only be for the best to have clans start from zero again, this way players can work themselves up in a clan rather than joining a fully ready clan and just dragging along.

[Furesy]

i dont have any Clan Hall - because i dont even play on Infinity ..... i got lots of chars for only testing .....

and i realy understand your point - but some clans , wich are still working like hell for their stuff
have to suffer a decsision wich is made by others ... wich dont see this as disadvantage

And to be honest i dont like the way of Majority Decsisions wich are similar to politics

Yea well, can never please everyone I guess... ^^

[ChillyWilly]

and again I ask......

what happens to extra chars when someone has been using the same account on multiple servers?!?!

as for disolving clans, what happens to those clan warehouses?  some of us made those clans for storage purposes, and won't have space to put everything in private warehouses.

[Alex]

merging servers is a huge and hard work who u expect to do it? drake? xD

[IvolveR]

Merging servers is
1st GOD DAMN HARD
2nd theres no1 to do it
3rd it will take too much time

there is only 1 good and quick decision- WIPE infinity dragon and nightmare AND create 1 server with middle rates where all dragon/infinity/nightmare players will start over again.
A wipe  also gives you the  opportunity to update to gracia -as Northern said some topic before,UPDATING TO GRACIA  can only be done on a Clean server so they wont have to change the IDsof everything.

remember,many big and top rated servers have done wipes over the years and have become better after it-its not such bad thing and will surely be a good fresh (RE)start for DN