Hai
Just wondering if all TY/XX got totaly pwned ot will it be fixed like (I hope) dance/song times etc?
Quote from: One Live on May 14, 2009, 01:15:32 PM
Hai
Just wondering if all TY/XX got totaly pwned ot will it be fixed like (I hope) dance/song times etc?
fist fury will work with fist only (d'oh)
dances/songs won't be fixed either.
enjoy
Quote from: WindPhoenix on May 14, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
dances/songs won't be fixed either.
enjoy
+Noone or very few will bother to dualbox anymore
-Noone would wanna play theese combos... atleast not in mage stats.
ee Why none will dual box ?? and why none will play them ?
Quote from: TrackZero on May 12, 2009, 08:14:41 PM
Its not bug, it is retail system of songs. Atm is like that but i think i will return them like we had (still need to see) BUT this is not bug.
Quote from: One Live on May 14, 2009, 03:18:54 PM
ee Why none will dual box ?? and why none will play them ?
1- because having to switch between 2 lineage windows every 2 mins isn't the funniest shit ever.
2- because being a mana whore isn't the funniest shit ever.
+9 time and no problem ? Anyway firnd can play on buffer...
Mana whore? wot ty/de? or ty/pal ? com on wow..
Quote from: WindPhoenix on May 14, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
fist fury will work with fist only (d'oh)
dances/songs won't be fixed either.
enjoy
Well Track said it will be changed to our system ( i mean 5 mins) o.O saw with my own eyes
Quote from: One Live on May 14, 2009, 03:49:15 PM
+9 time and no problem ? Anyway firnd can play on buffer...
Mana whore? wot ty/de? or ty/pal ? com on wow..
+9 time = ~2 minutes songs/dances I don't even wanna know what +0 dances is in time.
And why are you talking about ty/de and ty/pal? Were talking about singers/dancers being MP monsters.....
They are bugged lol............
Quote from: One Live on May 14, 2009, 05:43:21 PM
They are bugged lol............
Dude, FISTfury is ment to be just for fists, so nothing is buged.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 14, 2009, 05:56:56 PM
Dude, FISTfury is ment to be just for fists, so nothing is buged.
However some friend of mine who is playing official stated some time ago that it works there normally on all weapons.
I guess dances/song+9 are so short because not a single skill enchant is working, do they?
Quote from: Alex on May 14, 2009, 06:14:02 PM
I guess dances/song+9 are so short because not a single skill enchant is working, do they?
All other enchanted skills seems to work normally. It's just the more retail like dances/song duration.
Quote from: kidicarus on May 14, 2009, 06:57:34 PM
All other enchanted skills seems to work normally. It's just the more retail like dances/song duration.
+0 dances/songs have same duration as +9 dances/songs, so they don't seem to work xd
other enchanted skills before hellbound work now?
Quote from: Furesy on May 14, 2009, 07:01:20 PM
+0 dances/songs have same duration as +9 dances/songs, so they don't seem to work xd
Really? Haven't seen +0 yet, just saw Track saying that there wasnt any bug, but it was just the way they "were meant to be"
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 14, 2009, 05:56:56 PM
Dude, FISTfury is ment to be just for fists, so nothing is buged.
I ment....Songs/Dances enchants are bugged....
There is a difference betweeb +0 and +9 dances and songs...
If you look at the dance/song that is +0 it lasts 2 minutes (120s) and the +9 lasts for 2 minutes and arround 50 seconds (170s)
U gota be fu** kidding me...U cant PVP with that kind of song/dances....I have to stick BD + SWS to my ass in order to have bufs not to mention that they will run out of mana in like....6 mins? COM ONNNNNNNNNN
All ty/xx combos owned? lolx xD
Quote from: One Live on May 14, 2009, 08:44:11 PM
U gota be fu** kidding me...U cant PVP with that kind of song/dances....I have to stick BD + SWS to my ass in order to have bufs not to mention that they will run out of mana in like....6 mins? COM ONNNNNNNNNN
Well they can do it on official server too, but i would like longer dances/songs too ;)
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 14, 2009, 09:26:25 PM
Well they can do it on official server too, but i would like longer dances/songs too ;)
why? maybe ppls will be play again with BD/SWS/SE active then use only bots.
2mins is equal to PVP , why u want more minutes? if u have active BD/SWS/SE/EE/WC why? doesnt matter, if u have active players in party.
Quote from: JudgeDeath on May 14, 2009, 09:04:01 PM
All ty/xx combos owned? lolx xD
not ty/ol or ty/wc :-*
Quote from: kvkun on May 14, 2009, 10:27:26 PM
not ty/ol or ty/wc :-*
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Quote from: WindPhoenix on May 14, 2009, 10:34:14 PM
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Fist Fury = Hand Fury... n00bs
Quote from: AgNeR on May 14, 2009, 10:40:24 PM
Fist Fury = Hand Fury.
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now skill enchant suposed to be more "easy"... having dances/songs +15 should be enough for like 4 minutes of duration... at least, that was what track said IG...
Quote from: cristianvernal on May 14, 2009, 10:46:35 PM
now skill enchant suposed to be more "easy"... having dances/songs +15 should be enough for like 4 minutes of duration... at least, that was what track said IG...
i don't see much sense in this...
they want retail like dance/song times but at the same time they're making +15 easier.
what's the point of lowering the duration then?
Quote from: Furesy on May 14, 2009, 07:01:20 PM
+0 dances/songs have same duration as +9 dances/songs, so they don't seem to work xd
bs, enchant skill does work on songs / dance, its effect is just lowered
Quote from: Khaot on May 14, 2009, 09:57:33 PM
why? maybe ppls will be play again with BD/SWS/SE active then use only bots.
2mins is equal to PVP , why u want more minutes? if u have active BD/SWS/SE/EE/WC why? doesnt matter, if u have active players in party.
thats true yea
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 15, 2009, 01:10:57 AM
thats true yea
that's totally wrong lol, true for mages - maybe- definately not for fighters, pr bd and sws sr are owned.
Now who s saying that's true? a bp ne or now playing fighter and khaot is some human dd, go play bd/se or sws/ee // sws/sps as a main, i doubt you will enjoy singing / dancing every 2 mins.
The only interesting part is dance and songs would get like normal skills that you use in pvp rather than just buffs, yet i would go for former times.
And btw at pvps its really rare that a bd or sws is boted lol
Quote from: our4n0s on May 15, 2009, 03:10:58 AM
And btw at pvps its really rare that a bd or sws is boted lol
+1 I wouldn't even contemplate going into a mass pvp with a bd, sws bot lol
so i still didn't get the point of what track said/made
song dances are now likeretail : ok, 2 min (omg)
BUT
they are a lot easier to enchant? (like ...go to +10 without any fail???)
Quote from: Kikolina on May 15, 2009, 09:13:21 AM
this also happend on the begging of the il, but it was changed later, so patience.. im talking about dances ;p
about easier enchantings, %s remains the same, u just get those crazy bogs that keeps the lvl if they fail :)
afaik those book souldn't be implemented..... (becouse of rate/too easy to overenchant /regain exp)
do they exist???????
Quote from: our4n0s on May 15, 2009, 03:10:58 AM
that's totally wrong lol, true for mages - maybe- definately not for fighters, pr bd and sws sr are owned.
Now who s saying that's true? a bp ne or now playing fighter and khaot is some human dd, go play bd/se or sws/ee // sws/sps as a main, i doubt you will enjoy singing / dancing every 2 mins.
The only interesting part is dance and songs would get like normal skills that you use in pvp rather than just buffs, yet i would go for former times.
And btw at pvps its really rare that a bd or sws is boted lol
Wow, calm down lol, actually dont give a shit about it tbh, but there is lots of solo farming with bd/sws bots and also lots of pvping at varka with those bots so this might reduce this. ;)
Oi 2 things
1. this topic is about Fist Fury (mostly for POLE so TY/Spoiler TY/DE TY/xx Can Train again in peace)
2. People who bot will always have dance/songs L2W+Shihld Baff and he can farm in peace. Is the people who are playing there chars on siege/pvp will cry coz any archer/mage WILL run out of mana in 6 mins after 3 redances/songs. Com on it cant be like that lol... :/
Quote from: Khaot on May 14, 2009, 09:57:33 PM
why? maybe ppls will be play again with BD/SWS/SE active then use only bots.
2mins is equal to PVP , why u want more minutes? if u have active BD/SWS/SE/EE/WC why? doesnt matter, if u have active players in party.
I don't agree.
Sure if it was like retail we would have a BD with fighter attack speed, playing as BD with duals... then there would be no problem. He's main job is to dance.
Here BD/SWS is half your char..... and its never played as BD nor SWS, that always just your secondary option. Not to mention taht everyone starts spamming you to dance/sing as soon as the countdown starts wich now is every 1 mins.
In the case of for example BD/SE in a mage party where your attackspeed makes dancing rather slow, you will do nothing else then dance, and try to regain your MP for the next round of dances.
You can argue that it's doable..... and sure it is. But who's gonna bother playing a char like that? I enjoy playing supports, always have always will. And i was pretty sure i was gonna go back to Bd/Se now in hellbound since mutants got lvl cap.
Buuut after trying it out i realised that it's only a dancer now..... might aswell discard the SE subclass.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 15, 2009, 09:47:23 AM
Wow, calm down lol, actually dont give a shit about it tbh, but there is lots of solo farming with bd/sws bots and also lots of pvping at varka with those bots so this might reduce this. ;)
I was calm ;> mb the words a bit harsh tho :$
anyway, xp is pretty much impossible w/o trains now, with these dances, cause the bd se s out of mp all the time :P
Quote from: Kikolina on May 15, 2009, 09:13:21 AM
this also happend on the begging of the il, but it was changed later, so patience.. im talking about dances ;p
about easier enchantings, %s remains the same, u just get those crazy bogs that keeps the lvl if they fail :)
success rate to +11 70%, rates same as before? wasn't it 30% before? lol why ppl talking about shits they don't know?
rate may even be bigger at lvl 82/83/84/85.
Quote from: our4n0s on May 15, 2009, 11:43:55 AM
I was calm ;> mb the words a bit harsh tho :$
anyway, xp is pretty much impossible w/o trains now, with these dances, cause the bd se s out of mp all the time :Psuccess rate to +11 70%, rates same as before? wasn't it 30% before? lol why ppl talking about shits they don't know?
rate may even be bigger at lvl 82/83/84/85.
to get to 81/2/3/4/5 U need TRAINZZZ ^_^ and yes TY/DE can still train on just SE bufs... but he is slow like hell since Fist Fury No longer work with Pole tralalalla PWND :D
Quote from: One Live on May 15, 2009, 11:47:27 AM
to get to 81/2/3/4/5 U need TRAINZZZ ^_^ and yes TY/DE can still train on just SE bufs... but he is slow like hell since Fist Fury No longer work with Pole tralalalla PWND :D
Why do you need trains? oO And why would you need fist of fury for trains?
I used to train with pal/wl and imo that was fast enough. Lvl 76-80 is freaking fast with normal mobs. 80-85 is supposed to be hard.... But it's not impossible w/o trains.
Quote from: Kikolina on May 15, 2009, 12:06:43 PM
sorry im not frm nightmare :) i was on arena enchanting during the beta and the rates were the same =)
np
Quote from: kidicarus on May 15, 2009, 12:05:07 PM
Why do you need trains? oO And why would you need fist of fury for trains?
I used to train with pal/wl and imo that was fast enough. Lvl 76-80 is freaking fast with normal mobs. 80-85 is supposed to be hard.... But it's not impossible w/o trains.
yeah i did train last days, xp is really really fast, ty de is as OP as before concerning trains, can even do it with these dance times w/o problem. Well thats true tho i m training with hero pole, hero skills
Quote from: Kikolina on May 15, 2009, 12:06:43 PM
sorry im not frm nightmare :) i was on arena enchanting during the beta and the rates were the same =)
you are wrong, on lvl 79+++ enchant rates were higher on arena than in IL
higher means for skills +10 and more, below +10 max rate already on lvl 78
Quote from: Kikolina on May 15, 2009, 12:59:51 PM
omg i failed like 10 blows on 9 10 dont tell me :d or hm mb i was under 79 xD
and i burnt some bogs from 0 to +1 on lvl 78 (IL), you should know how "chance thing" works
anyway ty/de needed only pp buff for trains, now add dance instead of FF and all is back to normal
Our beloved admins try to make us having fun whatever it costs to us....
try to train with a mage and you'll never go back to ty/de or other fighters
while you take 30-50s to kill a train with your orc, if you do it with a mage it takes 3-5s
all you need is valakas and bufs ofc :P (and im talking of ty:de with boss set and full bufs as well)
(this is also true in IL)
80-81-82-83 .. is easy :) in duo, selfbuffs. no joke !! did 56% in 10 mins i think from 79.10 to 79.66%.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 15, 2009, 09:47:23 AM
Wow, calm down lol, actually dont give a shit about it tbh, but there is lots of solo farming with bd/sws bots and also lots of pvping at varka with those bots so this might reduce this. ;)
he dont know :D
I just play support chars and i didnt complain about reuse or time for SONG/DANCE.If u want farming use bot, if u want ppls for PVP make party with active chars not bot.Bot is sux in party.I know what i talk because passive chars with songs/dance arent enought in game and i never was out of mana why?
Coz U never had good party like CB got :P We always got bd/sws and believe me or not we run out of mana in few secs.... bots dont run out of mana coz of shild baff:P
Quote from: One Live on May 15, 2009, 05:28:18 PM
Coz U never had good party like CB got :P We always got bd/sws and believe me or not we run out of mana in few secs.... bots dont run out of mana coz of shild baff:P
shut up your mouth please when u dont know how to play passive char...if u loose all the time mana must be some problem with u. :P
Try Song 4 songs every 2 min when u have 4 dances in ur buff bar. Let me know how wa it :) and dont STFU me u %#@%^#$@^#$@^&#$@&#$^& #$@^& #$@^ #$@^ #$^ #$^& #$%&#$@ #$%& $%& %^* $%^ #$ ;)
Quote from: One Live on May 15, 2009, 05:28:18 PM
Coz U never had good party like CB got :P We always got bd/sws and believe me or not we run out of mana in few secs.... bots dont run out of mana coz of shild baff:P
Oh god ::)
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 15, 2009, 10:36:10 PM
Oh god ::)
he doesnt also know that i did to CB support many times , rofl ;D
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 08:39:32 AM
fire fury conc earth/warding vita, else is for nabs xd
CB has ussally fighter pt`s, which mostly have archers which means, we use warrior and hunter also
anyone else with l2 knowledge feels violated, by so many nooby comments?
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 08:39:32 AM
fire fury conc earth/warding vita, else is for nabs xd
Kid actualy we have Fire/Fur/War/Conc/Vit/Earth/Ward/Hunt..... :)
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 03:23:50 PM
warrior is useless :) earth and warding depends of enemy )
LOL u kidding right? For ARCHER useless ? rotfl........
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 05:06:48 PM
y its useless if u got full buff avalieble
Archer without warrior aint no fullbuffed archer :)
Quote from: Furesy on May 16, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
Archer without warrior aint no fullbuffed archer :)
Lololol I planned to laugh him out but I felt sorry and finally managed to simply +1 your post, rofl.
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 05:12:03 PM
u dunno well buffed pt :D come on infi xd
Seeing what you write about archers, don't really think I want to, looks more like the overall archers on infinity suck more than the ones on Nightmare lol
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
Dance of Warrior , This dance is important for fighter, that's increase P.atck for 12%. You learn this dance at lvl 55.
if u have 24 buff slots, archer that has at least 2 selfs, potions, u still prefer to take warrior? yea lol at me^^
I prefer warrior dance over P atk potion.
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
about that heavy or light yea i got a bit too far xdd but here.. :) anyway if u think atk speed is better than p def p atk hp.. why mages are jumping around in dc robes than it has more c speed than dyn, however i ve searched a bit more about this stuff, and few th pps the ones, that were hero on infi told me that after they put on dyn heavy.. it was insane :) dunno who to believe now xd soon my th wl will be rdy and ill test it all by myself:)
edit:
do u remember this? xDD
Dance of Warrior , This dance is important for fighter, that's increase P.atck for 12%. You learn this dance at lvl 55.
if u have 24 buff slots, archer that has at least 2 selfs, potions, u still prefer to take warrior? yea lol at me^^
and safe the nm-is-best-other-servers-has-just-noobs stuff for urself ::) or well u are always welcome to come on infi and kick our ass^^
no hard feeling in the future pls, share opinions with lil smilies xd
Then why if i checked vids from inf and dragon, mages out there were gettin 6 - 10k crits from decent archers ( not PR/WL for example) and the smart NM ones are gettin max 4k, maybe 5. ?! Explain me, lol.
Quote from: One Live on May 15, 2009, 06:59:39 PM
Try Song 4 songs every 2 min when u have 4 dances in ur buff bar. Let me know how wa it :) and dont STFU me u %#@%^#$@^#$@^&#$@&#$^& #$@^& #$@^ #$@^ #$^ #$^& #$%&#$@ #$%& $%& %^* $%^ #$ ;)
on retail they do it without problem couse they do it in a way:
let's say 3 songs 3 dances
in order they are dance-song-dance-song-dance-song, and each time they need resing it they will 1st wait for all the songs/dances to go off, that's how it's supposed to be (also after their mana burns out they start dancing only 1-2 necesery dances...)
however they are only BD and only sws there, they got time to concentrate on this shit
for us subbed this is total nosense and boredom ofcourse, can't imagine BD/XX all the time switching weapons to dance, not to mention the mana cost ofcourse....
however we are simply used to be full overbuffed all the time, i dont remmember any1 communicating with the sws, sing this and this, then ill make this and this, and then you finish with this... were like sing hunter pdef mdef and keep it up, it hardly starts the 1 minute countdown and allready redanced
also doesnt sound right that a ee/sws will after a while use only hunter couse of mp problems, bd/se only fire and fury or something...
if drake decides to keep it 2 min we will surely get used to it
my vote still goes for 3 minutes base time, 6 minute enchanted ones like before
Quote from: Furesy on May 16, 2009, 05:46:50 PM
I prefer warrior dance over P atk potion.
patk pot > dance couse the pot dont consume mana
(if u have to chose)
the dance is 1,8% stronger, becouse there is more addition constant patk, the actual will maybe be 1,5% stronger
if ur giving 4.000 hits, you will now make 4.060
sure u prefer it, ur not the sws/ee giving 3 songs above 4 dances ^^
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
can u post ur buff bar? :P
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My bar when fighting all kind of diff classes, not going to post my bar when I'm fighting only mages, archers, daggers or any other classes x) (PoF is usually CoV though)
Quote from: wildpussy on May 16, 2009, 06:25:25 PM
patk pot > dance couse the pot dont consume mana
(if u have to chose)
the dance is 1,8% stronger, becouse there is more addition constant patk, the actual will maybe be 1,5% stronger
if ur giving 4.000 hits, you will now make 4.060
sure u prefer it, ur not the sws/ee giving 3 songs above 4 dances ^^
My bots don't whine about mana x)
Besides, I don't have any problem with keeping songs up and having mana all the time, costs a lot of pots sure, but certain classes (especially with DN subclasses) have certain skills which helps with gaining mana/reducing mana cost etc. maybe people should try those for once? x)
EDIT
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
anyway if u think atk speed is better than p def p atk hp..
Just saw this now, loled
If you think I choose Dyna Light for the atk speed bonus than you're funny, and actually got no idea of what you're talking xd I'm not going to tell you why I choose Light, I'll just say that I mostly fight archers, and I don't lose :) (mages as well but they aren't a big threat to me, unless it's only a certain mage party)
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
why mages arent jumping around in dc robes than, it has more c speed than dyn?^^
Becouse the casting speed difference is small and dynasty gives much more m.attack, much more mana,some HP,dark ressistance,movement speed and more P.def
Now gtfo ;)
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 06:40:41 PM
u got infinitive mana? xD
No, just a skill which every archer has.
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and no ele prot?:o not counting valor foi.. and with this how u wanna be healed by a bish in ur pt? ^^ double resist songs imo just in mage parties :) and wind? heh .. xd
Try to read what I said lol
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
yea u said generally fighting all means mass pvp ? there is 50 50 of an enemys right? :P
That's my normal buff setup when checking for PvP or for Varka when there are all kind of diff enemies.
Not going to post my buff setup vs mages or archers... And I don't play with a bishop in party, it's only me and Deathand.
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
i seriously doubt u dont drink a single mana potion during a siege ^^
I play PR/WL during siege, and I don't use mana pots during the siege, the only pots I use for mana are the elixirs, and if I need mana really fast, we've got an EE/TK and EE/SWS in clan who take care of that just fine :)
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 06:48:09 PM
heh obviously that changes everything ;) im surpised u dont take zerk for taht kind of fights :)
Berserk is the most shittiest buff out there lol
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 06:48:09 PM
heh obviously that changes everything ;) im surpised u dont take zerk for taht kind of fights :)
lol
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 06:52:35 PM
yea those 30 sec against archers on oe u might kick ass but what about larger pvps? its about being easier healed, those 30 sec gonna pass and then u re a dead fish xd
I don't use Light for UE, it's part of it though, but not main reason.
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for those frag searching pvps it pwns :)
No it simply sucks overall, only thing berserk is good for is PvE lol, archers using berserk in PvP are funny and not worth my time xd
Quote from: Furesy on May 16, 2009, 06:29:21 PM
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My bar when fighting all kind of diff classes, not going to post my bar when I'm fighting only mages, archers, daggers or any other classes x) (PoF is usually CoV though)My bots don't whine about mana x)
Besides, I don't have any problem with keeping songs up and having mana all the time, costs a lot of pots sure, but certain classes (especially with DN subclasses) have certain skills which helps with gaining mana/reducing mana cost etc. maybe people should try those for once? x)
this is a hit and run away party....
u can run around and kill idiots like that, however u got zero chance vs good archer or mage pt + healer(s) (apart from running away and hoping they follow you)
Quote from: wildpussy on May 16, 2009, 06:56:05 PM
this is a hit and run away party....
u can run around and kill idiots like that, however u got zero chance vs good archer or mage pt + healer(s) (apart from running away and hoping they follow you)
Archers are supposed to kite, my complete playstyle is based on kiting.
Me and Deathand got zero chance vs good archer or mage party? lol funny one, didn't hear that one before xd
When fighting a mage party or an archer party, the buffsetup is different anyway.
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 06:57:47 PM
seriously, i dont know cos i never played archer as my main char but talking about mages, if u have 100% crit rate, malaria, 50 enemy on varka, u wont take zerk for +250 c speed? xD and what about 1 good archer pt on siege against 200 enemy, u wont take zerk to kite? xd
You will never see me use berserk on PvP, I despise that buff :)
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 06:57:47 PM
so zerk would be common )
It's not, you use berserk vs mages, means almost every single debuff will land on you, not to mention the dmg they deal on you.
And using berserk vs archers? Oh cmon, that's just dumb.
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 07:00:32 PM
whatever .. xd and about those dyn light / hvy, u re starting to talk like a dagger, but after all ure an archer, its not like u re gonna avoid 30% of the arrows anyway, or hm after i read ur last posts, i suppose u took it for the bigger speed? :)
Aha, you're close with the first part of the sentence, but than you took a huge leap back ^_^
Quote from: Furesy on May 16, 2009, 06:57:28 PM
Archers are supposed to kite, my complete playstyle is based on kiting.
u can't kite everywhere, either there isnt enough room or your objectives are differant
ps. use zerk for your playstile, it will be better for sure
also try compare zerk+heavy vs light + no zerk .... only evasion/accuracy and some small mdef, and much more patk / other stats :)
Quote from: Kikolina on May 16, 2009, 07:05:38 PM
i need to know ur class :) any the conclusion from my side is next.. maybe for those smaller pvps dyn light would be better, but for sure in larger pvps, with bp on back, heavy is taking place, i prefer that my party member i must heal is taking more hits with less dmg so i can be rdy when his hp is lowering than just a dead body on the ground in a sec cos evasion_random_funcion wasnt on our side xd
Sure it is, I still prefer Light because I don't like Heavy on an archer, unless it's archer/tank, but that's just me.
Evasion is cool when you make use of it, you can't rely on it when you don't use it. What can't hit you can't kill you either.
I'm PR/WL, PR/PS and TH/PP.
Quote from: wildpussy on May 16, 2009, 07:06:41 PM
u can't kite everywhere, either there isnt enough room or your objectives are differant
ps. use zerk for your playstile, it will be better for sure
Can't kite everywhere true, I have both Dyna Light and Heavy, tried and compared both, prefer mine better.
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also try compare zerk+heavy vs light + no zerk .... only evasion/accuracy and some small mdef, and much more patk / other stats :)
Also for you, what can't hit you can't kill you either :)
Quote from: Furesy on May 16, 2009, 07:10:51 PM
Also for you, what can't hit you can't kill you either :)
/useskill hawkeye and u can suck your evasion :P
Quote from: wildpussy on May 16, 2009, 07:33:38 PM
/useskill hawkeye and u can suck your evasion :P
People tried and failed before :p The only thing that changed was the fact they died a bit faster x)
Quote from: Furesy on May 16, 2009, 07:42:25 PM
People tried and failed before :p The only thing that changed was the fact they died a bit faster x)
explanation: ur fighting noobs! :P
furesy base his playstyle vs fighter on evasion and speed(mages are not a big deal for good archery). this is why he use light.
IMO this is the right way to play an archer. they are pain in ass to kill :P
berserk whould kill his playstyle with -evasion -pdef -mdef
Quote from: kvkun on May 17, 2009, 12:10:28 PM
furesy base his playstyle vs fighter on evasion and speed(mages are not a big deal for good archery). this is why he use light.
IMO this is the right way to play an archer. they are pain in ass to kill :P
berserk whould kill his playstyle with -evasion -pdef -mdef
Thank god there are thinkin people around in here sometimes <3
Quote from: iNs on May 17, 2009, 12:53:15 PM
Thank god there are thinkin people around in here sometimes <3
thank you sir
Quote from: iNs on May 17, 2009, 12:53:15 PM
Thank god there are thinkin people around in here sometimes <3
+1
Quote from: Kikolina on May 17, 2009, 05:55:14 PM
if u put so much on evasion and speed, and not much on p m def ( not wearing heavy ), it would be more wisely to take zerk+agility (same evasion) instead of wind (also almost same speed zerk-wind), mages arent the problem as u said urself, so u profit on atk speed, p atk and practically not losing anything ;]
That's just stupid lol
Quote from: Furesy on May 17, 2009, 06:02:13 PM
That's just stupid lol
following ur previous words , its not :P
Quote from: Dhart on May 17, 2009, 06:03:19 PM
following ur previous words , its not :P
It isn't? Lmao you can read?
Combining berserk with agility so you don't lose evasion? What bullshit is that? You seriously never played an archer before, why the hell would you use agility buff than to lose that bonus when using berserk? When you go full evasion setup against archers, using berserk is the most dumb thing you can ever do. And lol, using berserk instead of wind?
Quote from: Furesy on May 17, 2009, 06:04:10 PM
It isn't? Lmao you can read?
Combining berserk with agility so you don't lose evasion? What bullshit is that? You seriously never played an archer before, why the hell would you use agility buff than to lose that bonus when using berserk? When you go full evasion setup against archers, using berserk is the most dumb thing you can ever do. And lol, using berserk instead of wind?
ok , its u who deosnt follow anything here <.< ... I didnt say anything and u quoted smth said my kiko... :P ...
Quote from: Kikolina on May 17, 2009, 06:19:02 PM
i just showed u a solution for improving ur playstyle, u dont have agility buff yet so u arent on max evasion yet right? using zerk would make u quit a nice bonus staying on the same stat as u are now, however u wont listen to me anyway so no point of arguing :P and if it was by my way, the setup would be total different xd .. and as many other things.. zerk depends of a playstyle ;)
You still can't read can you? >_>
The buffbar I posted was my buffsetup when looking for PvP.
I said I won't post my buffsetup for archers, mages or daggers or anything. That buffsetup as evasion setup? lol
And I will never use berserk, doesn't matter what char or what buff setup. It's a shitty buff.
Was opening this topic expecting to find discussion about Fist Fury working with other weapons a wrong thing to do? ::)
Did trackZero post sth about fistFury and bison?
Quote from: BigBen on May 17, 2009, 08:32:15 PM
Did trackZero post sth about fistFury and bison?
fist fury no work, bison work !!!! your answer, now back to dinasty light or heavy, zerk or no zerk pls
Quote from: wildpussy on May 17, 2009, 08:36:38 PM
fist fury no work, bison work !!!! your answer, now back to dinasty light or heavy, zerk or no zerk pls
Dynasty Light or Heavy, depends on your gameplay! No zerk foreva!
Quote from: Furesy on May 17, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
Dynasty Light or Heavy, depends on your gameplay! No zerk foreva!
Indeed.
Quote from: Furesy on May 17, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
Dynasty Light or Heavy, depends on your gameplay! No zerk foreva!
Zerk should be removed from the game to stop nabs giving u it :P
PLx zerk.....
you n00bs
Using zerk is like your playstyle is all about dealing much dmg before getting targeted, and once you're targeted, you're killed in like 2 shots lol (oh yes, if you're ee or pp, you can return! Owning style.)
I actually don't see any class which can earn something from using zerk...
Seriously, using zerk as a DD is like using zerk as BP so you can heal faster lol
Quote from: kvkun on May 17, 2009, 12:10:28 PM
furesy base his playstyle vs fighter on evasion and speed(mages are not a big deal for good archery). this is why he use light.
IMO this is the right way to play an archer. they are pain in ass to kill :P
berserk whould kill his playstyle with -evasion -pdef -mdef
+1
Quote from: iNs on May 17, 2009, 12:53:15 PM
Thank god there are thinkin people around in here sometimes <3
+1
Quote from: Furesy on May 17, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
Dynasty Light or Heavy, depends on your gameplay! No zerk foreva!
+100
Quote from: Vegas on May 17, 2009, 10:35:29 PM
NO ZERK
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As Furesy said zerk is useful only in PVE in PVP it's one big shit.
Quote from: Kikolina on May 18, 2009, 12:15:59 AM
it was never said that everyone should use zerk LOL, but if u re playing search and destroy, port varka, 4 hits and u re down anyway, running above half map searching frags on exp spots, seeing 1 pt enemy, run back until only 1 left to follow u .. it pwns lol ..
and ins, sorry but can u stop being such a wannabe and start posting ur own arguments? and for start, maybe reply what was ment for u instead of agreeing to the u think smartest one in the threat xd :)
Dude, ive said that so many times, even tho we do not love ourselves with furesy, we've played ALOT together, split up about a lot of stuff, discussed alot of stuff, and if I do like it or not, I must agree with him sometimes, and this moment is exactly such one, since hes totally right about light/heavy + zerk issue.
Does it hurt you so bad that ur the only stupid one in here?
Quote from: Kikolina on May 17, 2009, 05:55:14 PM
if u put so much on evasion and speed, and not much on p m def ( not wearing heavy ), it would be more wisely to take zerk+agility (same evasion) instead of wind (also almost same speed zerk-wind), mages arent the problem as u said urself, so u profit on atk speed, p atk and practically not losing anything ;]
again yea wer the dumbest and u re the best )
agility +zerk is not a good idea.
its a waste of 2 slots to get a lil boost but a huge malus :(
even if his playstyle is based on speed + eva its not a reason to screwed up his pdef,mdef :D
ps: be sure that his fighter setup has agility ;)
imo no zerk ever with one exeption
you know how to kill raid with it ;] and it goes rly faster.
Quote from: BigBen on May 19, 2009, 11:55:05 AM
imo no zerk ever with one exeption
you know how to kill raid with it ;] and it goes rly faster.
+1
Zerk for ty/de to increase their atack speed and for raid party...that all when u use zerk.. no1 give a freak about bost in pvp coz we lost too much of pdef/patk and in this game we need huge p def to stay alife from archers or light and 150 evasion to evade all shots.