As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
nerf ! :D:D:D:D:D:DD:
incredible how i get 2000-3k max on 1700 p def ( and no buff from WC against crit neither the buff from sws against arrows)
and u get 1k damage on 7k p def
really strange
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
totally agreee, i like to play my mage, but this dmg/per sec`s from arch is rly too high
Quote from: Dag on September 23, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
incredible how i get 2000-3k max on 1700 p def ( and no buff from WC against crit neither the buff from sws against arrows)
and u get 1k damage on 7k p def
really strange
aparently u met the wrong archers so far , what were they holding peril ?
Anyway the point is archers are overpowered atm . U must be blind if u cant see it
:)
he/pp (or wl cannot remmeber) with dyna heavy , icarus and raid (normal high-end setup)
maybe your archer had also might 10 active+passive
also on my pr, with 47 (or 48) str dyna heavy, emp ogre 4 and icarus etc etc i go to 7k p atk and normal output is 1000-1500 on crit TO ROBE USERS !!!!!
ofc when i get someone that miss some buff.... damage increase but nothing compared to the past
anyone can remember one year-year and half ago, what was normal output damage for simple he/wk????
5k damage was easy
with draco bow
Like so many archers have archers will... and going on snipe is stupid... archers already had the same range in Interlude and noone cried about it then.
Kinda funny when i'm on AI (4,5k p def, although i got deflect arrow), archers wont hit more then 300 dmg. And you get 1k dmg with 7k? pretty sure he didnt have the right buffs....
And ur only talking bout archer crits... normal hits are like 350 aswell... ye ye that aint the same i know i know... But ur acting like archer crit so damn much, but mages can reach 1/4 m crit rate aswell...
Anyway to jump to a conclusion... What the .... you expect track to do? Make mages stronger? if he'd do that close range fighters will get fcked even more vs mages (blizzard and mana burn freaks them up enough already...), so that aint a option.
Then nerf archers? So archer's will do even less dmg vs close range fighters (tanks mostly, getting 200 dmg crits would be funny tho :P) and makes it to hard to kill someone for them. And what i see for a archer to kill a mage that is being supported with heals is pretty damn hard already (how it should be...).
Then there the option left to decrease their shooting range... That's not something that should change, it's how it officialy should be and it's archers only adventage vs mages. And that most mages on NM are so mentally handicapted following the archer when he's kiting... They just run after the archers as bunny's and that's exactly what archers want...
Instead of running after him and trying to do 1 hit each time is stupid. Most archers on nightmare dont kite that well... if u'd just run after him and try to get as close as possible that you could make a 'multi hit'... Just dont use any magic till you get to the range you could multiple hits... if ya do it the other way he'll just run till he recoverd his CP and your back from point 1 of trying to kill him.
And maybe it's time to work together with ur party and try assisting once a while?
/smart_ass_mode_off :P
PS tbh, the only peepz that kill me easy on my pal/glad are mages... I die 10 times faster vs mages then i would vs archer or other fighters... This server aint about archers and mages only, think about the negative things that could happen to other style's of playing if u'd wanna change something
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
qq
tbh u re pp/ne, go for ne/tk and we you will max get 300 dmg from best archers..
gosh now i want the time back of archer/tyrant subs haha, to let them show the difference of now and then :P.
Quote from: FadeAway on September 23, 2009, 11:56:02 AM
gosh now i want the time back of archer/tyrant subs haha, to let them show the difference of now and then :P.
dude archers now are harder than back then . u make more dmg than de/ty cause u hit lot faster the damge is freaked up and mages hit back for 300 dmg . kidding me ????
QuoteAnd ur only talking bout archer crits... normal hits are like 350 aswell... ye ye that aint the same i know i know... But ur acting like archer crit so damn much, but mages can reach 1/4 m crit rate aswell...
ofc archers crit lot more harder. dmg from archers/sec vs dmg from mage/sec cant be compared anymore...
i dont suggest to make mages stronger just nerf archers till they get balanced with other classes.
Hint : if archers are not so overpowered then why the hell all server turned into archers.
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
Seems some ppl still have a long way before they discover wind storm song and chant of protection!
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 12:07:54 PM
dude archers now are harder than back then . u make more dmg than de/ty cause u hit lot faster the damge is freaked up and mages hit back for 300 dmg . kidding me ????
ofc archers crit lot more harder. dmg from archers/sec vs dmg from mage/sec cant be compared anymore...
i dont suggest to make mages stonger just nerf archers till they get balanced with other classes.
Hint : if archers are not so overpowered they why the hell all server turned into archers.
Have you ever experienced the dmg of a de/ty with DHA and so on? u'll eat 15k dmg if it aint more haha. Magic hit back for 300 dmg... you make m crits aswell...
K let's say to nerf archers... what could track do? decreasing the range is not a option like i said before. You could decrease the dmg they deal? well their dmg will become nothing vs tanks / if they are vs dagger chars it would take them longer before they could kill a dagger class (pretty sure they'll lethal them before they got the chance killing them). So what do we have left? tyrant and glads? will take forevah before a archer would take them down since they got high HP and CP.
What else could track do to nerf fighters? Decrease their atk speed? not everyone has icarus bow... so other peepz will get punished for not having icarus bow... Any other options?
PS this may sound weird and stupid... but in my eyes. The only way to fix this is a complete server whipe. Everyone has acces to a good buffer etc etc... (wc/sws, pp/bd, bd/se etc etc)... Thats what's fck allot up atm. But well my opinion and server will never get whiped so... xD
Quote from: Alex on September 23, 2009, 12:10:20 PM
Seems some ppl still have a long way before they discover wind storm song and chant of protection!
damn man where the freak have u been ? ye i was w8ing for u to enlight me .
ps:it happens to be ne/pp and sws/ee
Soon i will hear that daggers are overpowered too :D
Quote from: FadeAway on September 23, 2009, 12:20:35 PM
Have you ever experienced the dmg of a de/ty with DHA and so on? u'll eat 15k dmg if it aint more haha. Magic hit back for 300 dmg... you make m crits aswell...
K let's say to nerf archers... what could track do? decreasing the range is not a option like i said before. You could decrease the dmg they deal? well their dmg will become nothing vs tanks / if they are vs dagger chars it would take them longer before they could kill a dagger class (pretty sure they'll lethal them before they got the chance killing them). So what do we have left? tyrant and glads? will take forevah before a archer would take them down since they got high HP and CP.
What else could track do to nerf fighters? Decrease their atk speed? not everyone has icarus bow... so other peepz will get punished for not having icarus bow... Any other options?
the answer is simple nerf icarus and nerf archers damage on robe (n not only). Imo dude ur just another archer that doesnt want to loose his power...
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 12:33:55 PM
the answer is simple nerf icarus and nerf archers damage on robe (n not only). Imo dude ur just another archer that doesnt want to loose his power...
First of all don't call me a 'dude'. Nerf icarus dunno... mby applying some % resist archer dmg on robe armor? (still dont agree archer's dmg is high). And shush it since it's been ages since i played a archer on Nightmare, and i still dont play one now.
Most people that post on this kind of topics is a mage or archer, now you get a message from a random person...
Quote from: mark_elesse on September 23, 2009, 12:36:40 PM
lol and lol ...and again lol.
i hope the next QQ topic will about " i cant buff myself properly " . everyone knows that you can reduce that 3k to 1,5 if you use your char well, buff it well .
well mark , u honestly think i dont use the right buffs? im serious here u guys r overpowered n i bet u know it .
why u gave up elesse? i remember u rerolled on elesse , why u gave up on her for second time
Quote from: FadeAway on September 23, 2009, 12:20:35 PM
What else could track do to nerf fighters? Decrease their atk speed? not everyone has icarus bow... so other peepz will get punished for not having icarus bow... Any other options?[/color]
just make IC bow with slow atak speed like it should be - it will not fuked up archers with DB+++ and it will be less DMG/per sec, then now.
Quote from: mark_elesse on September 23, 2009, 12:36:40 PM
lol and lol ...and again lol.
i hope the next QQ topic will about " i cant buff myself properly " . everyone knows that you can reduce that 3k to 1,5 if you use your char well, buff it well .
dear mark so why the hell are u reroled every time to that class that is OP in the moment?
If your full buffed you wont get more than 1k damage from archers lucifsg and that's without transfer pain. But yeh the insane attack speed with icarus bows is pretty dumb. I wouldnt even be surprised if an sr/wl would shoot faster arrows than a mage like me would cast nukes.
Anyways is there any bug that removes chant of protection or something cuz few days ago i was doing some pvp against temps and the buff dissapeared many times. O.o
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 12:49:34 PM
If your full buffed you wont get more than 1k damage from archers lucifsg and that's without transfer pain. But yeh the insane attack speed with icarus bows is pretty dumb. I wouldnt even be surprised if an sr/wl would shoot faster arrows than a mage like me would cast nukes.
so you must be allways on full buff? even on full buff when i see in my party mage/mage sub - it will die first in 2-3 hits max ofc if BP will not react in time or its party w/o BP
QuoteAnyways is there any bug that removes chant of protection or something cuz few days ago i was doing some pvp against temps and the buff dissapeared many times. O.o
it have less time around 7-10 minutes (dont remember ) not 20
Quote from: Marinella on September 23, 2009, 12:53:34 PM
so you must be allways on full buff?
it have less time around 7-10 minutes (dont remember ) not 20
Well archers wont crit you that much if they arent fullbuffed too, or you will do more dammage when they arent fullbuffed.
I buffed myself with the buff and dissapeared in less than a minute... It was really strange, it happened to me like twice so i got pissed and loged of cuz it was retarded to fight against 4 archers when everyone was doing 1k dammage while i was doing ~500 lol
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 12:56:18 PM
Well archers wont crit you that much if they arent fullbuffed too, or you will do more dammage when they arent fullbuffed.
I buffed myself with the buff and dissapeared in less than a minute... It was really strange, it happened to me like twice so i got pissed and loged of cuz it was retarded to fight against 4 archers when everyone was doing 1k dammage while i was doing ~500 lol
oh i understand it happens to me few times, not with COP but with emp - and no, it wasnt removed by banes, it was just dissapear like it wasnt buffed at all
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 12:49:34 PM
If your full buffed you wont get more than 1k damage from archers lucifsg and that's without transfer pain. But yeh the insane attack speed with icarus bows is pretty dumb. I wouldnt even be surprised if an sr/wl would shoot faster arrows than a mage like me would cast nukes.
Anyways is there any bug that removes chant of protection or something cuz few days ago i was doing some pvp against temps and the buff dissapeared many times. O.o
lol man wtf r u talking about ? have u seen tibo or defoe full buffed lately ? full defense buff mage gets 2k dmg for sure , except if u wanna teach me how to buff my self Mr. "i used to make 2k points in oly wannabe"
And anyway here u go voudas was on heroe ud and buffs(7.5k p def) and defoe was hitting him for 950 dmg. what u need screens ? wtf more than that u need to understand that archers are indeed freaked up.
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
Yes true , i can go even on full P.DEF buffs with over 2k def + transfer pain and stil a bullshit.
Imagine a bish/pal in one archers party. No archer fight with out COV those days and if I am hiting for 3-400 dmg with a Icarus(240 m atk +wm lvl 10) just try to imagine what damage cand do a mage with a simply AM+A...
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 01:02:31 PM
lol man wtf r u talking about ? have u seen tibo or defoe full buffed lately ? full defense buff mage gets 2k dmg for sure , except if u wanna teach me how to buff my self Mr. "i used to make 2k points in oly wannabe"
And anyway here u go voudas was on heroe ud and buffs(7.5k p def) and defoe was hitting him for 950 dmg. what u need screens ? wtf more than that u need to understand that archers are indeed freaked up.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 14, 2009, 01:01:48 PM
before complaining, adapt your playstyle. I have DC set, and that means way lower protection against arrows than DNET set. And yet i dont complain against archers, and i can take down even a top archer like Deathand, bluecube, cthon etc down with enough patience, on both self-buff and fullbuff.
i know you dont have TP, but you have other advantages. In my example, on 1 vs 1, i get a meat-bag summon like mirrage, put it on UD, shoot its storm strike once in a while and in the meantime, cancel/warrior bane/weaken/wind shackle the archer.
Yesterday in siege, we were bored and fullbuffed Deathand (nothing personal, just an example of good archer) was doing 400 crits on me (in DC set !!!!!!!! ). At that damage output, with my casting and self-heal durability and cp macro spam i can resist long enough to cast around 5-6 cancels or even more. Even if he has anti-cancel buffs and DNET set, 5-6 cancels = more than half of buffs are gone. After that, its fullbuffed mage vs unbuffed archer, gee, i guess who wins.
And unlike SPS/EE, i dont have pro healing skills. You just need to stay long enough alive to debuff/cancel him.
That is the way to win 1 vs 1.
In mass pvp, just stay in the backline, and do hit-and-go attacks on the frontline. as soon as you get targeted, run to safety.
If neither of those advice wont help, quit the game, you're worthless :)
Edit: as SPS/EE, you have improve movement and improved shield. Given the fact you can take a third symbol of +4 DEX, light elf stats + agility effect, your evasion will be quite high, and so will be your shield defence rate. If the archer uses guidance against that, mana burn him and he'll run out of mana. Stay with your shield towards the attacks and with improved shield, most of the hits will land on shield. that means way lower damage.
up up
you are a damn necro, you have transfer pain and the best debuffs in the whole damn game. learn to use them. i've seen your playstyle, you wanna play rambo going on the frontline. with the low power of your necro nukes, and the damage you take from archers, that iw one hell of a stupid idea. stay in the back, debuff and after some really freaked up nasty debuffs like curse of doom for example land, you'll eat the archers alive.
Too much m.def on archer? gloom him. etc
the age of f1 mages is gone, learn to play with all your skills and stop playing rambo. Mages are not frontline soldiers anymore. Accept it or QQ moar.
Quote from: NYPD on September 23, 2009, 01:03:52 PM
Yes true , i can go even on full P.DEF buffs with over 2k def + transfer pain and stil a bullshit.
Imagine a bish/pal in one archers party. No archer fight with out COV those days and if I am hiting for 3-400 dmg with a Icarus(240 m atk +wm lvl 10) just try to imagine what damage cand do a mage with a simply AM+A...
you know am+a VS IC now is like valhallaVS DB - just LOL
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 01:02:31 PM
lol man wtf r u talking about ? have u seen tibo or defoe full buffed lately ? full defense buff mage gets 2k dmg for sure , except if u wanna teach me how to buff my self Mr. "i used to make 2k points in oly wannabe"
How about you post a picture of that and ill believe you ;)
And dunno why you are so pissed at me lol. Is it cuz i said goruul and me could make more than 1k points back than and you couldnt? And i never said i reached 2k, i reached about 1400 while goruul did 1800. So i really dont know what you mean with the word "wannabe" lol
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 12:49:34 PM
If your full buffed you wont get more than 1k damage from archers lucifsg and that's without transfer pain. But yeh the insane attack speed with icarus bows is pretty dumb. I wouldnt even be surprised if an sr/wl would shoot faster arrows than a mage like me would cast nukes.
Anyways is there any bug that removes chant of protection or something cuz few days ago i was doing some pvp against temps and the buff dissapeared many times. O.o
Sry but..
I just loooooooooool.
If luci dont know how to buff him self then who the freak know that.
Nerf range or make robes against arrows.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 01:08:30 PM
How about you post a picture of that and ill believe you ;)
And dunno why you are so pissed at me lol. Is it cuz i said goruul and me could make more than 1k points back than and you couldnt? And i never said i reached 2k, i reached about 1400 while goruul did 1800. So i really dont know what you mean with the word "wannabe" lol
not pissed ll look into that screen from voudas
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 01:08:30 PM
How about you post a picture of that and ill believe you ;)
And dunno why you are so pissed at me lol. Is it cuz i said goruul and me could make more than 1k points back than and you couldnt? And i never said i reached 2k, i reached about 1400 while goruul did 1800. So i really dont know what you mean with the word "wannabe" lol
start playing again, i wanna pvp u ;D
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 12:49:34 PM
Anyways is there any bug that removes chant of protection or something cuz few days ago i was doing some pvp against temps and the buff dissapeared many times. O.o
hahahah nub ;D
when stuns lands from stunning shot, chant of protection gets removed. I kept silent about this since i am in archer clan, but if temps use this bug too... i hope it gets fixed.
pdef is nothing nowadays >:(
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
up up
you are a damn necro, you have transfer pain and the best debuffs in the whole damn game. learn to use them. i've seen your playstyle, you wanna play rambo going on the frontline. with the low power of your necro nukes, and the damage you take from archers, that iw one hell of a stupid idea. stay in the back, debuff and after some really freaked up nasty debuffs like curse of doom for example land, you'll eat the archers alive.
Too much m.def on archer? gloom him. etc
the age of f1 mages is gone, learn to play with all your skills and stop playing rambo. Mages are not frontline soldiers anymore. Accept it or QQ moar.
dude ur full of sh1t on every post of urs. im in front line to mass curse so my party stays alive.
jesus look @ what bullsh1t ur saying curse of doom on archer so he gets what ? wont stun me ?
every clown here comes up with a stupid answer like use gloom . GEE moron ye i was w8ing for u to tell me to gloom and learn how to play my char...
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 01:15:51 PM
dude ur full of sh1t on every post of urs. im in front line to mass curse so my party stays alive.
jesus look @ what bullsh1t ur saying curse of doom on archer so he gets what ? wont stun me ?
every clown here comes up with a stupid answer like use gloom . GEE moron ye i was w8ing for u to tell me to gloom and learn how to play my char...
if you're so smart and you know how to play with your char, stop complaining like a little baby. If you're so much pro than me, how come i dont complain about archers and i can still handle them and u cant?
QQ?
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 01:12:28 PM
start playing again, i wanna pvp u ;D
Im not playing since a long time so im pretty rusty in 1 vs 1 pvp... :-X
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 01:14:22 PM
hahahah nub ;D
when stuns lands from stunning shot, chant of protection gets removed. I kept silent about this since i am in archer clan, but if temps use this bug too... i hope it gets fixed.
Yea i thought its got something to do with stun shot cuz they were pretty annoying with that shit...
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 01:17:45 PM
if you're so smart and you know how to play with your char, stop complaining like a little baby. If you're so much pro than me, how come i dont complain about archers and i can still handle them and u cant?
QQ?
Come on wind, you dont complain cuz your in a pure archer clan and nerfing archers would hurt your clan more than any other. Archers curently are overpowered against mages. We dont even need to argue about that, the simple fact that most of the server plays archers is already enough. It was always like that and always will cuz we are on a high rate server and people reroll rather than playing a char that sucks in pvp.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
up up
you are a damn necro, you have transfer pain and the best debuffs in the whole damn game. learn to use them. i've seen your playstyle, you wanna play rambo going on the frontline. with the low power of your necro nukes, and the damage you take from archers, that iw one hell of a stupid idea. stay in the back, debuff and after some really freaked up nasty debuffs like curse of doom for example land, you'll eat the archers alive.
Too much m.def on archer? gloom him. etc
the age of f1 mages is gone, learn to play with all your skills and stop playing rambo. Mages are not frontline soldiers anymore. Accept it or QQ moar.
I just wanna ask you :)
if he is in one mage party and u want him to stay in the back line then tell who to stay in the front line:)
Always necros are sent in front cuz of the best defensive stats.
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 01:15:51 PM
im in front line to mass curse so my party stays alive.
Gl staying alive lol in the front of the archer execution squad. Nowadays, if you're not tank/xx, staying in front line = suicide.
But hey, everyone wants to get the stage light!
"omagod meng, Luci rushed us !!11! one one one. he's sooooo pr0, he rushed in front line in the face of the archers on snipe"
true story: Luci heroically rushes in front of the archers, and dies in few hits.
he loggs off and posts on forum: "damn, i cant be Rambo anymore, archers overpowered QQ"
Get real dude, and stay in the backline, like a decent mage, kk? or make a tank/xx char and start being Rambo again. your choice, but decide alone, stop making cry topics.
I'v been in countless mass pvp against archers and i rarely die, because i know when to run back to safety and i dont play Rambo, going alone ahead in the front-line. hit, cancel, debuff, run back. that is what a mage should do these days.
Quote from: NYPD on September 23, 2009, 01:26:30 PM
I just wanna ask you :)
if he is in one mage party and u want him to stay in the back line then tell who to stay in the front line:)
tanks/xx. for example a paladin/necro
when faking Daggers will be OP >.>
melee fight > all pimp my arrow and pimp my spell fights
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 01:27:52 PM
tanks/xx. for example a paladin/necro
I'm repeating again..p.def is just a bullshit against archers now.
Quote from: zthrx on September 23, 2009, 01:29:28 PM
when faking Daggers will be OP >.>
+1
BTW
show us a screen of anyone also in dyna robe with fullbuff (don't ask for nerf if u take damage not in fullbuff) that take damage like 3k from an archer and i m done
Quote from: NYPD on September 23, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
I'm repeating again..p.def is just a bullshit against archers now.
in fact i said fullbuff, not full pdef in heavy with pots and tattoo for p def etc etc.
Quote from: NYPD on September 23, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
I'm repeating again..p.def is just a bullshit against archers now.
come on... see Deathand's video. "QQ factor" in the end Funkeh, paladin/bishop takes hits from like 5 or more archers with icarus/draconic (probably on fullbuff too) and he stays alive untill he gets bored. in the DNET set a friend lent me, i was getting 400 damage critical on TP (so he was doing 800 in total or so) from fullbuffed Deathand. and we all know he's one of the most powerful archers around. and i dont have tank passives ffs.
anyway if mage fullbuffed has 2.2k p.def (so its almost same like dagger) so this is smth wrong... same with archer who gets blows for >1k<. thx god me have rabbit tattos :>
Quote from: NYPD on September 23, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
I'm repeating again..p.def is just a bullshit against archers now.
its not about pdef its about deflect arrow lv4
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 01:26:48 PM
Get real dude, and stay in the backline, like a decent mage, kk? or make a tank/xx char and start being Rambo again. your choice, but decide alone, stop making cry topics.
I'v been in countless mass pvp against archers and i rarely die, because i know when to run back to safety and i dont play Rambo, going alone ahead in the front-line. hit, cancel, debuff, run back. that is what a mage should do these days.
A mage should really stay behind and get killed fast but should also do great dammage when it attacks and not 400 dammage. Thats why im saying that archers attack speed should be slower (just decrease icarus bows reuse delay to the level of draco bow) and it should deal bigger dammage, and mages should also deal much bigger dammage than 400 lol.
I will make a tipic about daggers
-mage has almost same p def
- same archers
- lethal is kinda joke now- useless
- almost no1 plays a dagger, me feel like orphan at the battlefield....
- me fullbuffed blows fullbuffed mage for 600- >1k, same archers... L.A.M.E talking about fact that both attack from distance
-lame that dagger makes SAME DMG or LESS as a Melee class
LAME
Quote from: zthrx on September 23, 2009, 01:41:20 PM
I will make a tipic about daggers
-mage has almost same p def
- same archers
- lethal is kinda joke now- useless
- almost no1 plays a dagger, me feel like orphan at the battlefield....
Daggers should do bigger damage too imo, since it has to run directly to the enemy + it uses alot of mana for his skills. But offcourse nobody on this server that isnt a dagger player will agree lol
Quote from: zthrx on September 23, 2009, 01:41:20 PM
I will make a tipic about daggers
-mage has almost same p def
- same archers
- lethal is kinda joke now- useless
- almost no1 plays a dagger, me feel like orphan at the battlefield....
- me fullbuffed blows fullbuffed mage for 600- >1k, same archers... L.A.M.E talking about fact that both attack from distance
-lame that dagger makes SAME DMG or LESS as a Melee class
LAME
Lethal aint a joke to me, it lands pretty much and trust me it doesnt feel tight when ur on 4,5k p def and 15k hp and all goes away with 1 fcking blow ::). Just in olympiad it may suck... (but tbh most people prolly dont even know how to get more lethal rate and such stuff, and i wanna keep it like that :P)
Agree dmg of dagger chars aint really that awesome (it's far from how it should be...)
Tbh close range fighters are one of the most fcked up classes there are now... Blizzard and those things takes hours to reach ur enemy and when u've finally reached the enemy lost 50% of your life and doing low dmg then aint really funny. Not to forget when ya need to head back to ur bishop because your out of healing range it's most likely you aint gonna make it :P.
And to talk about something else also... tank's cant even take the 'tanking' job upon them... Agression landing rate is like low and the effect doesnt stay (as it should), and aura hate's re-use is like HUGE and barely lands aswell... Of 1 party you may agro 1 or 2 peepz but they got their old target back within a split second since the effect of aura hate doesn't stay...
@ tomek's previous post, i would agree with daggers doing more dmg :P
tomek in past u made screens about damage of archer on fullbuff?
or was furesy?
cannot remember , it was at the start of HB
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 01:17:45 PM
if you're so smart and you know how to play with your char, stop complaining like a little baby. If you're so much pro than me, how come i dont complain about archers and i can still handle them and u cant?
QQ?
maybe u dont cry cause i didnt saw u on any pvp since half year lol :)))) ok mby 1 year . about arhcers they hit same fast like 70% of mages do ... but different is mage hit for 400-600 max while archer in 5 shot what he ll make in 2-3 second will hit u for 1-3k and all say " use song of windstorm " etc mage need totally full buff to protect from archer while archer need only bd/pp to roll ..... tomek u r necro/tk " deflect arrow" so is not big deal for u but look for rest..... not everyone have l33t items here...... ask yoda to hit u xD . sr/wl can reach 1800 atk.spd as i heard ..... only summoners on arcane agility and elven elder can reach this c.spd .... make icarus bow slow or give m.crt for mages like it was ... cuz every archer have 490-500 crt rate on full buff.....
Quote from: jygh on September 23, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
maybe u dont cry cause i didnt saw u on any pvp since half year lol :)))) ok mby 1 year .
you need lecithin for memory loss. last week on siege was the last time i went on a mass pvp, and yes, there were plenty of archers among the enemies. if one week = 1 year, you need to lay off marijuana, you get some really nasty time-dilatation illusions manz.
Quote from: jygh on September 23, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
sr/wl can reach 1800 atk.spd as i heard ..... only summoners on arcane agility and elven elder can reach this c.spd ....
LOL
OH NOES, 1800!!!!!!!!!11!1 one one one ;D
sever will crash from this insane casting speeeeeeeeeeed :))))))) someone restrain him:
1800 casting:
(http://photos.commongate.com/11/38210_k3clh4chsr_l.jpg)
LOL
Quote from: FadeAway on September 23, 2009, 01:54:02 PM
And to talk about something else also... tank's cant even take the 'tanking' job upon them... Agression landing rate is like low and the effect doesnt stay (as it should),
ohh come on on few last pvps my pt vs CB in last minutes i cant even nobless myself coz your agression lands on me every fking time, and you called it has low landing rate?
but i agree with
Quotetanks cant even take the 'tanking' job upon them
Quote from: Dag on September 23, 2009, 01:54:25 PM
tomek in past u made screens about damage of archer on fullbuff?
or was furesy?
cannot remember , it was at the start of HB
I dont think an archer is gonna do more than 400 dammage on my sps/tk when im fullbuffed. And the max dammage on a non tank mage is arround 1k...
I think Lucifsg didnt realize that his chant of protection got removed by stuns so he got 40% more dammage than he should be getting normally i guess.
Quote from: jygh on September 23, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
maybe u dont cry cause i didnt saw u on any pvp since half year lol :)))) ok mby 1 year . about arhcers they hit same fast like 70% of mages do ... but different is mage hit for 400-600 max while archer in 5 shot what he ll make in 2-3 second will hit u for 1-3k and all say " use song of windstorm " etc mage need totally full buff to protect from archer while archer need only bd/pp to roll ..... tomek u r necro/tk " deflect arrow" so is not big deal for u but look for rest..... not everyone have l33t items here...... ask yoda to hit u xD . sr/wl can reach 1800 atk.spd as i heard ..... only summoners on arcane agility and elven elder can reach this c.spd .... make icarus bow slow or give m.crt for mages like it was ... cuz every archer have 490-500 crt rate on full buff.....
Right now with with Valakas , Siren, Pow, Wm i have 40 crits from 100 on npc tested.
plus wild magic llvl 10 on icarus!
what crits have a mage w/a valakas and wm augument?
give us 20% more crits at least.
Im really interested in comparing a normal archer with an icarus bow (like he/wl) and a normal mage like sps/tk bouth shooting at some npc for 10 seconds and see how many times each of em hit it...
Also a sr/wl would be cool to see vs a mage summoner but the thing here is that the summoner would be out of mana really fast + he has the problem with spirit shots at the max casting speed.
Anyone wants to test it?
Quote from: NYPD on September 23, 2009, 02:07:28 PM
Right now with with Valakas , Siren, Pow, Wm i have 40 crits from 100 on npc tested.
plus wild magic llvl 10 on icarus!
what crits have a mage w/a valakas and wm augument?
give us 20% more crits at least.
and with that gear you're complaining about archers? T_T what do you want, to oneshot them? eventually delete their gear on critical hit or knockback 10 meters when casting death spike, like Antharas' tail strike? :-\
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 02:10:14 PM
Also a sr/wl would be cool to see vs a mage summoner but the thing here is that the summoner would be out of mana really fast + he has the problem with spirit shots at the max casting speed.
Anyone wants to test it?
I can tonight, but i'll have to borrow a DNET set from someone ;D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 02:11:55 PM
I can tonight, but i'll have to borrow a DNET set from someone ;D
You have more casting speed with Dc set ;)
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 02:11:55 PM
I can tonight, but i'll have to borrow a DNET set from someone ;D
u have lower c.spd in dyna set than in dc mr iknoweverything and smartprowannabe
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 02:13:05 PM
You have more casting speed with Dc set ;)
Quote from: jygh on September 23, 2009, 02:14:01 PM
u have lower c.spd in dyna set than in dc mr iknoweverything and smartprowannabe
yes, but i want to defeat that sr/wl, not to set a new c.speed record.
I was thinking of 1 vs 1 on fullbuff, not hitting a NPC
Edit: in 10 seconds @ ~3.1k casting (havent got time to level to 85 to OE passives for more) i would hit faster than SR/WL on max attack speed setup, but for lower damage i suppose, since he crits more. the real interesting thing is to test 1 vs 1 imo.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 02:14:31 PM
yes, but i want to defeat that sr/wl, not to set a new c.speed record.
I was thinking of 1 vs 1 on fullbuff, not hitting a NPC
I was more thinking about testing how fast the 2 classes deal dammage not who is better since that is hard to test cuz it depends on your skills
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 02:17:05 PM
I was more thinking about testing how fast the 2 classes deal dammage not who is better since that is hard to test cuz it depends on your skills
prly i'd hit faster, but for lower damage per second
yay 6k posts :D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 23, 2009, 02:20:56 PM
prly i'd hit faster, but for lower damage per second
yay 6k posts :D
Yea i know a mage would hit faster but i just wonder how much more hits mages do compared to archers.
gratz
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 02:17:05 PM
I was more thinking about testing how fast the 2 classes deal dammage not who is better since that is hard to test cuz it depends on your skills
on normal pvp set up or max atk speed set up? cuz it's 2 different things.
Quote from: jygh on September 23, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
sr/wl can reach 1800 atk.spd as i heard ..... only summoners on arcane agility and elven elder can reach this c.spd ....
wanna see bd/se with 2k casting speed? (this means no arcane agility)
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6238/1zl6i3n.jpg)
so ...imagine a ES what can do :D
Quote from: Dag on September 23, 2009, 02:28:00 PM
wanna see bd/se with 2k casting speed? (this means no arcane agility)
(http://img36.imageshack.us/i/1zl6i3n.jpg/)
ahhhhhhhh fok i hate iomageshack
http://img36.imageshack.us/i/1zl6i3n.jpg/
it is at least SH, so not se/bd definetly xD
Quote from: Defoe on September 23, 2009, 02:23:27 PM
on normal pvp set up or max atk speed set up? cuz it's 2 different things.
If you never use the max atk speed than its useless to test it. So a pvp setup that u usually use in mass pvps or smaller pvps..
And a mage without zerk, malaria and other stuff that you dont use in normal pvp...
Quote from: flamingAwe on September 23, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
it is at least SH, so not se/bd definetly xD
+1 SH/BD my fault (i't s also written in stats :D)
Quote from: jygh on September 23, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
maybe u dont cry cause i didnt saw u on any pvp since half year lol :)))) ok mby 1 year . about arhcers they hit same fast like 70% of mages do ... but different is mage hit for 400-600 max while archer in 5 shot what he ll make in 2-3 second will hit u for 1-3k and all say " use song of windstorm " etc mage need totally full buff to protect from archer while archer need only bd/pp to roll ..... tomek u r necro/tk " deflect arrow" so is not big deal for u but look for rest..... not everyone have l33t items here...... ask yoda to hit u xD . sr/wl can reach 1800 atk.spd as i heard ..... only summoners on arcane agility and elven elder can reach this c.spd .... make icarus bow slow or give m.crt for mages like it was ... cuz every archer have 490-500 crt rate on full buff.....
If mages are so bad FTRjin then what did ya were proud some days ago that you pwned 5 CB peoples by urself xD?
If there's a class that needs the best equipment and buffs to 'pwn' is a archer... Do mages need RB jewels (aint that needed), archers needs AQ and Baium for sure... So ur saying if a archer party with pp buffs and dances would pvp vs a mage party that is fully buffed, the archer party would win haha? think twice...
And atleast for mages when being on 2k c speed+ your BSSS loads... if fighters reach more then 1,6k atk speed half of their soulshots doesnt load....
Another thing you said archer needs only pp+dances as buffs to 'pwn', but you really think they reach 400 crit rate then? they wont... so they wouldnt even crit so much.
+ so what if he/wl can reach that much atk speed? he'd needed to be on rapid fire, wich means - Range, wich is the most stupid thing you could do in a mass pvp (maybe it's usefull in a siege when ur fighting close range and no room to kite). And don't forget even if fighters reach such atk speed, mages got debuffs that has the chance of decreasing it... what does fighters have to decrease c speed or m atk of mages? nothing correct!
Stop crying,archers aren't OP,Icarus Spitter is OP.Nerf the bow,not the char,if u cannot understand that then suicide,I'm already tired of all this freaking bs...
Fullbuffed (in viana's pt, savemefrommyeself, sleya, apollo etc) by that i meant every defensive buff, we had a pp etc.... on my ee/es, 2k from immaculate was what i got.... but i got 2.3k c speed with almost no mp consuption (under wisdom and agility), and i am not anti archer char as any tank subbed and most likely sk or tk sub would be so... add to that special PT ud anti archer as... blade dance? it's pretty cool imo, indeed whole server rerolled to archer but that's just because they are brainless faggots :)
If you ask me, the number of archer only means the era of nuker/tank has arrived...
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 01:15:51 PM
dude ur full of sh1t on every post of urs. im in front line to mass curse so my party stays alive.
jesus look @ what bullsh1t ur saying curse of doom on archer so he gets what ? wont stun me ?
every clown here comes up with a stupid answer like use gloom . GEE moron ye i was w8ing for u to tell me to gloom and learn how to play my char...
rofl, that's true, and the era of debuff hardly came when they have a BP in pt with no reuse on cleanse.... and that they know it 100%
Quote from: our4n0s on September 23, 2009, 03:04:03 PM
Fullbuffed (in viana's pt, savemefrommyeself, sleya, apollo etc) by that i meant every defensive buff, we had a pp etc.... on my ee/es, 2k from immaculate was what i got.... but i got 2.3k c speed with almost no mp consuption (under wisdom and agility), and i am not anti archer char as any tank subbed and most likely sk or tk sub would be so... add to that special PT ud anti archer as... blade dance? it's pretty cool imo, indeed whole server rerolled to archer but that's just because they are brainless faggots :)
If you ask me, the number of archer only means the era of nuker/tank has arrived...
Or because archers are easy to play and mages from Nightmare make it easy for them to pwn them?
Isnt the dance against archers decreasing your m.attack really a lot? I never tryed using that skill.
And yea the only chance mages now have against archers is if everyone is gonna reroll to mage/tank. But people are lazy or dont want to play any other char than they play now since they dont like to reroll just cuz archers are overpowered
cry
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
i read most of the pages ,i just wanna ask a question, do you rly understand that p.def and resist archer buffs are different think?
Even if you got 3k p.def i will crit you for 4k with my archer BUT if you got 1,5k p.def and chant of protection +windstorm song i will crit you for 1k .
Do you get what i am talking about?
Please think next time before you make a QQ topic.
As someone else said ,its time for you to discover the chant of protection and windstorm song.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 23, 2009, 03:11:57 PM
Isnt the dance against archers decreasing your m.attack really a lot? I never tryed using that skill.
And yea the only chance mages now have against archers is if everyone is gonna reroll to mage/tank. But people are lazy or dont want to play any other char than they play now since they dont like to reroll just cuz archers are overpowered
the DANCE decrase a lot and last for 10-15 sec
the song decrease it, but nothing compared to song. and has lees power
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1963/shot00027of.png) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/shot00027of.png/)
miss chant of critical or protection dont remember the name and deflect arrow was On at this time XD and about 2010 pdef (bp/pal)
Quote from: seboulba on September 23, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1963/shot00027of.png) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/shot00027of.png/)
miss chant of critical or protection dont remember the name XD and about 2010 pdef (bp/pal)
OOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMG
THEY HIT U SO HARD
(does it take u 1/2 heal to restore hp?)
Quote from: Dag on September 23, 2009, 03:36:20 PM
OOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMG
THEY HIT U SO HARD
(does it take u 1/2 heal to restore hp?)
well bp/pal dont mean GOD (funkeh :D ) but if arround isnt any mana burner yeah i can still alive for some time :D
Quote from: seboulba on September 23, 2009, 03:40:23 PM
well bp/pal dont mean GOD (funkeh :D ) but if arround isnt any mana burner yeah i can still alive for some time :D
i know :) i have bp/pal too :D
What i think the problem is for luci, temp lacks of WC's for the chant of protection buff and they dont have place to use a WC bot for it.
So let 2 or 3 people in ur clanny reroll to a WC/sps or w/e ::)
maybe wc/sws, so they can take also song against bow
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
i reach almost 2k p def on bp/wc on fullbuff (chant of protection/imp shield def/song of windstorm), archers crits me with max 1,3k, if im loosing some resist ofc its more, u r ne u have transfer pain i dont understand how u get sucha hits, for me u dont know how to buff urself lol
Quote from: Triuferkkk on September 23, 2009, 04:20:45 PM
i reach almost 2k p def on bp/wc on fullbuff, archers crits me with max 1,3k, if im loosing some resist of its more, u r ne u have transfer pain i dont understand how u get sucha hits, for me u dont know how to buff urself lol
Its obvius that the archers that were doing crits on him removed his chant of protection with stuns and he probably didnt notice that.
Quote from: Deavon on September 23, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
i read most of the pages ,i just wanna ask a question, do you rly understand that p.def and resist archer buffs are different think?
Even if you got 3k p.def i will crit you for 4k with my archer BUT if you got 1,5k p.def and chant of protection +windstorm song i will crit you for 1k .
Do you get what i am talking about?
Please think next time before you make a QQ topic.
As someone else said ,its time for you to discover the chant of protection and windstorm song.
Well, on my last days on Furesy, I was critting most mages between 2k - 4k, those that lacked songs were getting over 10k though.
A properly buffed mage/tank was getting max 1.2k, a normal sps/ee for instance (like nito) was getting 2k to 3k though. (but I sometimes think Nito forgets to buff himself except for dances, WM, PoW and Emp)
At regular PvP's and regular enemies, most crits were between 1k and 3k, properly buffed chars never exceeded 2k though. I won't say I was OP, I just knew how my char worked. Thing is, I still used my bow which I've always had, my DB F +13.
I can imagine an archer like me, with Icarus, would be a bit retarded, because I dealt enough damage, but I did it very slowly, mages were often just healing themselves while I was hitting them, and another mage only needed to nuke me (or use blizzard) and there wasn't much I could do. With Icarus though, that would have been a completely different story, no mage on this network would outheal it.
Tbh, just keep Icarus bow on Normal attack speed but fix the re-use delay of arrows to how it is supposed to be. This way Icarus keeps an advantage over other bows.
Quote from: Furesy on September 23, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Well, on my last days on Furesy, I was critting most mages between 2k - 4k, those that lacked songs were getting over 10k though.
XD
gimme seal of blockade!!!! omg!!
Quote from: jygh on September 23, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
maybe u dont cry cause i didnt saw u on any pvp since half year lol :)))) ok mby 1 year . about arhcers they hit same fast like 70% of mages do ... but different is mage hit for 400-600 max while archer in 5 shot what he ll make in 2-3 second will hit u for 1-3k and all say " use song of windstorm " etc mage need totally full buff to protect from archer while archer need only bd/pp to roll ..... tomek u r necro/tk " deflect arrow" so is not big deal for u but look for rest..... not everyone have l33t items here...... ask yoda to hit u xD . sr/wl can reach 1800 atk.spd as i heard ..... only summoners on arcane agility and elven elder can reach this c.spd .... make icarus bow slow or give m.crt for mages like it was ... cuz every archer have 490-500 crt rate on full buff.....
it is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
while archer need only bd/pp to roll
hahahahaha u made my day
People need to adapt to new playstyle.
Everyone complain about archers being OP but doesn't mean ur class is useless now, on mass pvp or sieges for example a NE/PP still is a good class to play, since in most of times u can debuff ur enemies and make the job easier to others kill. Not only NE/PP, but most important OL/XX.
But the main problem is everyone wanna play a pwnage char to kill everyone, we had times when archers r the best to play (stack skills), after it became like a LineMage, now archers r back to top. And soon maybe we will have mages on top again.
And everytime we had people complaining about it...
A server full of archers and WC/BD, WC/SWS bots?!? Rly hard to happen.
solution for QQing mages. Make mage tank or gtfo! Arrow resist for robes? HAHAH imagine mage/tank then, cuting range? hahah ye make archers a close combat fighters so we will start use daggers insted of bows. Decresing attack speed of ic bow? then why da fak i spend 230 coins for that shit? Start to think about it in real, and seriously buff urself better, ill take as example Wahka, im criting him from 700 to 1000 while he have drain and self heal, so dont tell me ill buttrape him so easy since all depends at ur sub. As he/pp i got nerfed so many times that im still curious why im playing this char. So just gtfo from others and make a char that ull find better than curently 1
Quote from: Sali on September 23, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
As he/pp i got nerfed so many times that im still curious why im playing this char.
Cause u r our buff bot. :)
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
+1
Quote from: Sali on September 23, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
. Decresing attack speed of ic bow? then why da fak i spend 230 coins for that shit?
'cause through dony manager is the only way to get one? You ever thought....why mages paid the same amount of coins for a weapon/sa [Icarus] that gives JUST a little more mattack than an AM/sa? Wouldn't be fair to have something like 25-30% casting speed bonus [to "catch" your "custom made" IC bow] ?
Quote from: Montana on September 23, 2009, 09:43:16 PM
+1
Just look who is doing "+1" thing. A guy who never knew to buff himself. Lul.
Quote from: TheLox on September 23, 2009, 10:01:21 PM
Just look who is doing "+1" thing. A guy who never knew to buff himself. Lul.
i just wanted to say same thing...
<3 blue
Well it seems that i am not the only person who thinks that archers are op. and it seems that i am not only the one who is playing 1 char almost for 4 years. and think the same about archers.. :-\
i rly wanna hear a reply from drake about that issue if archers are op or not but what i am saying that is same like saying i wanna someone telling me the Lototery number. :D
Quote from: BRexoo7 on September 23, 2009, 09:54:42 PM
'cause through dony manager is the only way to get one? You ever thought....why mages paid the same amount of coins for a weapon/sa [Icarus] that gives JUST a little more mattack than an AM/sa? Wouldn't be fair to have something like 25-30% casting speed bonus [to "catch" your "custom made" IC bow] ?
ye 100% more cast speed... ic bow is custom made since new buffs fuked up archers badly
another QQ topic omg ... :D
Quote from: cthon on September 23, 2009, 10:10:11 PM
i just wanted to say same thing...
<3 blue
:D :-* :-*
NERF IC BOW
or give at ic hall 25% cast speed :P
Quote from: NIORI on September 23, 2009, 10:15:38 PM
Well it seems that i am not the only person who thinks that archers are op. and it seems that i am not only the one who is playing 1 char almost for 4 years. and think the same about archers.. :-\
i rly wanna hear a reply from drake about that issue if archers are op or not but what i am saying that is same like saying i wanna someone telling me the Lototery number. :D
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u dont need to make a mage/tank cause self heal is way better, since u also wont be hit for very much.
Quote from: kang on September 24, 2009, 12:27:10 AM
u dont need to make a mage/tank cause self heal is way better, since u also wont be hit for very much.
oh yeah and you will only heal yorself and cant be able to hit enemy while archer will hit you all the time XD
ps^ nerf ic spitter to slow atk speed like it should be on bow, not like on crossbow or w/e
I think there should be a new forum rule..... all QQ topics like this should be CLOSED. Its just a breeding place for stupid people :/
Quote from: Mohit0 on September 23, 2009, 11:08:55 PM
NERF IC BOW
or give at ic hall 25% cast speed :P
nerf ic bow
nerf d0rfs!
Quote from: Deavon on September 23, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
i read most of the pages ,i just wanna ask a question, do you rly understand that p.def and resist archer buffs are different think?
Even if you got 3k p.def i will crit you for 4k with my archer BUT if you got 1,5k p.def and chant of protection +windstorm song i will crit you for 1k .
Do you get what i am talking about?
Please think next time before you make a QQ topic.
As someone else said ,its time for you to discover the chant of protection and windstorm song.
u think i go out to pvp without thoose 2 buffs ?
ok,it goes like that - a top geared archer hits me for ~400 dmg,if they get nerved what would it be?in the same time surrender+vortex=~2k mcrit on me,in the meantime i am slowed,debuffed and freak knows what else.doesnt sound ok to me tbh!
Quote from: Endorama on September 24, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
ok,it goes like that - a top geared archer hits me for ~400 dmg,if they get nerved what would it be?in the same time surrender+vortex=~2k mcrit on me,in the meantime i am slowed,debuffed and freak knows what else.doesnt sound ok to me tbh!
Don't forget cancelled.
Quote from: G4rro on September 23, 2009, 04:36:44 PM
ask CB's mages or Epic mages how to buff urself & stop crying dude
ROFL
ur so right mate how didnt i think of it ..
but it happens to be one of the mages bluecube and mark or furesy (dont remember exactly who else but im sure about bluecube) was asking me outside gludio what im made of ,cause of the low dmg they did to me . so trust me i know how to buff ..
Quote from: Furesy on September 23, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Well, on my last days on Furesy, I was critting most mages between 2k - 4k, those that lacked songs were getting over 10k though.
A properly buffed mage/tank was getting max 1.2k, a normal sps/ee for instance (like nito) was getting 2k to 3k though. (but I sometimes think Nito forgets to buff himself except for dances, WM, PoW and Emp)
At regular PvP's and regular enemies, most crits were between 1k and 3k, properly buffed chars never exceeded 2k though. I won't say I was OP, I just knew how my char worked. Thing is, I still used my bow which I've always had, my DB F +13.
I can imagine an archer like me, with Icarus, would be a bit retarded, because I dealt enough damage, but I did it very slowly, mages were often just healing themselves while I was hitting them, and another mage only needed to nuke me (or use blizzard) and there wasn't much I could do. With Icarus though, that would have been a completely different story, no mage on this network would outheal it.
Tbh, just keep Icarus bow on Normal attack speed but fix the re-use delay of arrows to how it is supposed to be. This way Icarus keeps an advantage over other bows.
finally someone gets out of the closet and admits archers with icarus are overpowered... and guess what he s archer..
and do u understannd that if a archer stun shot you, your chant of protection buff will disappear????
so is not a archer problem
is a buff problem
Quote from: Endorama on September 24, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
ok,it goes like that - a top geared archer hits me for ~400 dmg,if they get nerved what would it be?in the same time surrender+vortex=~2k mcrit on me,in the meantime i am slowed,debuffed and freak knows what else.doesnt sound ok to me tbh!
if u on uthria - your mage is better against archers not against mages - so nothing new
btw u can be slowed by archers too but nowadays they dont need it - they need only tsuns and critz0rs every fking hit
Quote from: Sali on September 23, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
solution for QQing mages. Make mage tank or gtfo! Arrow resist for robes? HAHAH imagine mage/tank then, cuting range? hahah ye make archers a close combat fighters so we will start use daggers insted of bows. Decresing attack speed of ic bow? then why da fak i spend 230 coins for that shit? Start to think about it in real, and seriously buff urself better, ill take as example Wahka, im criting him from 700 to 1000 while he have drain and self heal, so dont tell me ill buttrape him so easy since all depends at ur sub. As he/pp i got nerfed so many times that im still curious why im playing this char. So just gtfo from others and make a char that ull find better than curently 1
hey emo jackass i spend coins on augs and got facked up as well. why the hell u should have an OP bow with extra att speed ?
imagine if u hit whaka or a mage for 1k (ye lets say just 1 k ) the thing is u can hit 3 times per sec so in 3 seconds u do around 7k dmg
7k damage?
still less than a ty/de make in a single hit.
u wanna nerf also them?
oh no, they are ok, couse u can kill them easily.
Quote from: Dag on September 24, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
7k damage?
still less than a ty/de make in a single hit.
u wanna nerf also them?
oh no, they are ok, couse u can kill them easily.
dude in what server ur playing ?! rofl
bump fo kamael mutants sub.
Imagine Beserker/tyrant ;D
like a ty/de, but with rush and shoulder charge ;D
Quote from: Dag on September 24, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
7k damage?
still less than a ty/de make in a single hit.
u wanna nerf also them?
oh no, they are ok, couse u can kill them easily.
dude de/ty can kill 1 max 2 ppl and die after archers hit like hell and get 400 dmg on em ... its fackin UNBALANCED
Quote from: scary on September 24, 2009, 12:21:08 PM
dude in what server ur playing ?! rofl
infy
ty/de a 3 hit- and-down char?
is barrier workin on your server?? :D
Quote from: lucifsg on September 24, 2009, 12:26:05 PM
dude de/ty can kill 1 max 2 ppl and die after archers hit like hell and get 400 dmg on em ... its fackin UNBALANCED
Try tell Szi that.
As far as I see it is only like 3-4 mages actually crying here and TBH im pretty bored of it. Make a freaking tank sub, use a sheils and then more than half my attacks will get blocked... ohhh waiit that is another mage advantage.... coz I sure as hell can't block magic attacks with my sheild, but I guess you wouldn't think about that because all you care is about your char now that you realise how shit it is w/o your aug.
Btw, read your topic title,
Now read this...
Quote from: lucifsg on September 24, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
ur so right mate how didnt i think of it ..
but it happens to be one of the mages bluecube and mark or furesy (dont remember exactly who else but im sure about bluecube) was asking me outside gludio what im made of ,cause of the low dmg they did to me . so trust me i know how to buff ..
Now tell me how you just selfowned yourself.
Quote from: lucifsg on September 24, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
but it happens to be one of the mages bluecube and mark or furesy (dont remember exactly who else but im sure about bluecube) was asking me outside gludio what im made of ,cause of the low dmg they did to me . so trust me i know how to buff ..
Well that wasn't me xd
Quote from: Marinella on September 24, 2009, 10:33:48 AM
ps^ nerf ic spitter to slow atk speed like it should be on bow, not like on crossbow or w/e
Has nothing to do with atk speed, Icarus being Normal atk speed is fine, it's only an advantage over other bows.
The thing that makes Icarus bow so OP is the re-use delay of arrows, which is almost 1/3 of what Draconic bows re-use is, you can't see it in stats.
Quote from: Endorama on September 24, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
ok,it goes like that - a top geared archer hits me for ~400 dmg,if they get nerved what would it be?in the same time surrender+vortex=~2k mcrit on me,in the meantime i am slowed,debuffed and freak knows what else.doesnt sound ok to me tbh!
join the QQ squad?
Quote from: Zuluman on September 24, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
Btw, read your topic title,
Now read this...
Now tell me how you just selfowned yourself.
ewww i think the quote of the msg lucif did was before HB ^^, but then i agree with what i supose you would say, buffing ur self good in IL doesn't mind u ll buff good in HB... and it makes his quote worthess :D
Quote from: lucifsg on September 24, 2009, 12:26:05 PM
dude de/ty can kill 1 max 2 ppl and die after archers hit like hell and get 400 dmg on em ... its fackin UNBALANCED
:'( :'( :'( Szi can kill ur pt mage with celestial so XD 1 hit per guys on ur pt
Quote from: Zuluman on September 24, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
Btw, read your topic title,
Now read this...
Now tell me how you just selfowned yourself.
was in hb ..
Quote from: Furesy on September 24, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
The thing that makes Icarus bow so OP is the re-use delay of arrows, which is almost 1/3 of what Draconic bows re-use is, you can't see it in stats.
aha didnt know about this. so u think if this changes the extra att speed that icarus gives wont really matter?
Quote from: lucifsg on September 24, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
aha didnt know about this. so u think if this changes the extra att speed that icarus gives wont really matter?
The difference between Draconic bow (slow) and Icarus Spitter (Normal) is around 50 - 100 atk speed in stats. (depends if your base atk speed is high, like with SR, or low, like with PR) you only notice this a little, but not so much really.
The arrow re-use delay for each bow is different, most bows (the red bar when shooting arrows) have an arrow re-use delay around 1500 or so (don't recall exact number, doesn't really matter), some bows could lower their arrow re-use delay with SA's like QR (BoP, Soul bow), this lowered it to around 1300 or something.
Icarus Spitter has an arrow re-use delay of around 500 or 600, which makes it close to 3 times faster in shooting arrows than other bows.
Quote from: Furesy on September 24, 2009, 02:14:15 PM
The difference between Draconic bow (slow) and Icarus Spitter (Normal) is around 50 - 100 atk speed in stats. (depends if your base atk speed is high, like with SR, or low, like with PR) you only notice this a little, but not so much really.
The arrow re-use delay for each bow is different, most bows (the red bar when shooting arrows) have an arrow re-use delay around 1500 or so (don't recall exact number, doesn't really matter), some bows could lower their arrow re-use delay with SA's like QR (BoP, Soul bow), this lowered it to around 1300 or something.
Icarus Spitter has an arrow re-use delay of around 500 or 600, which makes it close to 3 times faster in shooting arrows than other bows.
well XD would look weird to qq about NERF ICARUS SPITTER RE-USE BACK TO 1500 so i ll stick to nerf icarus bow att speed and balance the game vs archers
Quote from: lucifsg on September 24, 2009, 02:22:06 PM
well XD would look weird to qq about NERF ICARUS SPITTER RE-USE BACK TO 1500 so i ll stick to nerf icarus bow att speed and balance the game vs archers
Dunno why it would be weird... If they nerf just the attack speed the archers probably wont even notice the change xD
The only thing that has to be changed is the reuse delay.
Quote from: Marinella on September 24, 2009, 12:13:26 PM
if u on uthria - your mage is better against archers not against mages - so nothing new
btw u can be slowed by archers too but nowadays they dont need it - they need only tsuns and critz0rs every fking hit
scroll down to the bottom of my sig and check out the names of my chars...and yea i can get slowed by archers but if i am not so far away from em i can easily trick them,the reuse of harmstring is even more than the reuse of my trick,but in the same time most of the mages have more than 2 slow skills,and if 1 of em gets tricked the other is going to get casted on,the % of the 2nd slow landing is high.
and bout archers criting every hit,i doubt about it aswell,at least my archer used to crit ~1/4 a bit than 1 month ago...
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
my heart is bleeding for you... haven't seen you crying when 100% mcrit was an option. I stopped playing my archer cause it was pointless with a +3 drac bow (only you, gandaf and voudas ate 2.4k on full buff, NOONE else, regarding worthy opponents). my damage to others was between 250 and 1k. Oh, this was done with a he/pp and a he/wk, NOT a mutant, NOT a glad.
And even if SOMEHOW what you wrote would be true, do you get the same annoyment of a simple drac bow archer? or your problems lie with icarus and insane reuse? If a simple (I mean +3-7 max) draco archer makes you cry, just delete the game, if icarus heroes, then u got your answer in the "what need to be fixed" competition.
HINT: it won't be fixed until it's the best donation material.
HINT2: if a day comes when it will be fixed, that will be the day of the vesper weapons introduction ;)
Quote from: NIORI on September 23, 2009, 10:15:38 PM
Well it seems that i am not the only person who thinks that archers are op. and it seems that i am not only the one who is playing 1 char almost for 4 years. and think the same about archers.. :-\
i rly wanna hear a reply from drake about that issue if archers are op or not but what i am saying that is same like saying i wanna someone telling me the Lototery number. :D
the above mentioned things goes to you aswell, plus you didn't cry when u were a fan of all-buffs-removing-cancel+return (and that wasn't just a bugged item like icarus splitter, that was the class itself)
Quote from: our4n0s on September 24, 2009, 01:47:54 PM
join the QQ squad?
do i sound like QQing toady?its just that i am stating a fact that if archers get nerved they would do nothing to me,while mages wont change.its not that i am affected by archer's nerves anymore,but it would suck imo.
ps : i refer to nerves that would affect patk and dmg,aswell,which wont surprise me.
the only way to play archer vs equally (top-of-the-top) geared chars and decent L2 knowledge mage or dagger or orc (basically, almost anything which isnt archer) is to "fake" the kite until bufs fade out. (fake, because you're same range in hb, really)
damage has been boosted compared to IL (to "balance" the archer protections, lol). so when ws goes off and u remove protection with a stun, your damage is *great* (and OP actually!)
if you have an ic bow however, you may "only" wait until siren dance is off, and start hitting hoping they're not able to overheal the damage
you may also ud/vengeance/sof/snipe or w/e but ppl usually will move ofc.
oh and if you're a mage and you deal crap damage despite good bufs, look into non-elemental attacks.
Imagine a sps doing hydro blaste on aqua dance/elemental buf/elemental song/resist aqua.. yeah thats not very high.
Then try your holy attacks, theres only "holy protection" and no one bufs it. and even if they do, damage is still much, MUCH greater than aqua attacks over elemental resists. (we're talking 3-4K crits on holy protection and 3K mdef)
wah, i was bored to write all this. back to work :(
Quote from: lucifsg on September 24, 2009, 11:39:24 AM
u think i go out to pvp without thoose 2 buffs ?
once u or ur friend cried that our ally bp/wcs r using l2w to buff parties with chant with haste and acumen after ur banes (its not ture anyway), ill copy u now : use l2w for chant of protection nab after stun
Quote from: Endorama on September 24, 2009, 03:13:28 PM
scroll down to the bottom of my sig and check out the names of my chars...and yea i can get slowed by archers but if i am not so far away from em i can easily trick them,the reuse of harmstring is even more than the reuse of my trick,but in the same time most of the mages have more than 2 slow skills,and if 1 of em gets tricked the other is going to get casted on,the % of the 2nd slow landing is high.
and bout archers criting every hit,i doubt about it aswell,at least my archer used to crit ~1/4 a bit than 1 month ago...
sry i mixed up u with rebel, nvm then
about your archer - its not many pr among all archers here
Quote from: kang on September 24, 2009, 03:36:05 PM
oh and if you're a mage and you deal crap damage despite good bufs, look into non-elemental attacks.
Imagine a sps doing hydro blaste on aqua dance/elemental buf/elemental song/resist aqua.. yeah thats not very high.
Then try your holy attacks, theres only "holy protection" and no one bufs it. and even if they do, damage is still much, MUCH greater than aqua attacks over elemental resists. (we're talking 3-4K crits on holy protection and 3K mdef)
actually in mass pvp in my party buff of divine proteftion and dance of aligment allways exists dunnno about others and sometimes if i see many sps in enemy parties i use holy resistans, but actually divine and aligment is enough to protect my party from holy attack
and what about dark and human mages? what kind of non elem atack they could use?
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 24, 2009, 02:31:02 PM
Dunno why it would be weird... If they nerf just the attack speed the archers probably wont even notice the change xD
The only thing that has to be changed is the reuse delay.
ye change that sh1t ...
Quote from: PvtStuka on September 24, 2009, 03:21:23 PM
my heart is bleeding for you... haven't seen you crying when 100% mcrit was an option. I stopped playing my archer cause it was pointless with a +3 drac bow (only you, gandaf and voudas ate 2.4k on full buff, NOONE else, regarding worthy opponents). my damage to others was between 250 and 1k. Oh, this was done with a he/pp and a he/wk, NOT a mutant, NOT a glad.
And even if SOMEHOW what you wrote would be true, do you get the same annoyment of a simple drac bow archer? or your problems lie with icarus and insane reuse? If a simple (I mean +3-7 max) draco archer makes you cry, just delete the game, if icarus heroes, then u got your answer in the "what need to be fixed" competition.
well thats cause me galdaf n voudas are noob mages as it appears XD
ur right on the second part about archers with draco bow .. no problems there they hit a lot slower than archers with icarus ...
Ok so what you are saying is that CB archers are to powerfull? I never get crit for more then 1k on fullbuffs,,,, NEVER EVER.
And on fullbuffs I run around on 1,9k p.def, but with all shieldbuffs. And I can use CP pots alone to survive atleast 2 archers hitting me if im for example silenced.
And this is on top-geared players. If someone is only moderately rich and plays with a DB+f+5-10 and mb not even AQ+Baium they hit players like ne/pp sps/ee etc for what? 500dmg on crits? I know they hit me for about 50-100.
If someone pays 200 coins for a weapon it should do some dmg, and 3k doesn't seem that bad.... Thats what I get hit for by mages with good gear so I don't see any reason why archers hitting a non-tank sub should'nt hit for the same.
@Kang yes those holy-attacks are a pain in the ass :P Small correction though, there are 2 resists Divine protection and Holy protection.
Im not gonna tell you how to buff, cause I know that both Voudas and Lucifsg are good players that know how to buff..... But there's gotta be something you are doing wrong since you guys get hit for way more then other players with worse gear then you guys.
Quote from: kidicarus on September 24, 2009, 07:05:00 PM
Ok so what you are saying is that CB archers are to powerfull? I never get crit for more then 1k on fullbuffs,,,, NEVER EVER.
And on fullbuffs I run around on 1,9k p.def, but with all shieldbuffs. And I can use CP pots alone to survive atleast 2 archers hitting me if im for example silenced.
you have def arrow lv 4 and it gives alot - while you got 1k max i can resive 2k in front and 3000-3500 from back
QuoteAnd this is on top-geared players. If someone is only moderately rich and plays with a DB+f+5-10 and mb not even AQ+Baium they hit players like ne/pp sps/ee etc for what? 500dmg on crits? I know they hit me for about 50-100.
If someone pays 200 coins for a weapon it should do some dmg, and 3k doesn't seem that bad....
y but why it should be so fast??? and why the same bonuses didnt apply for mage IC wepon wit same price for 200 DC ???
QuoteThats what I get hit for by mages with good gear so I don't see any reason why archers hitting a non-tank sub should'nt hit for the same.
by mages with good gear u couldnt get 3-4-5-7 crits 1 by 1 coz mcrite rate rly low now, and DPS are lower too
Quote@Kang yes those holy-attacks are a pain in the ass :P Small correction though, there are 2 resists Divine protection and Holy protection.
actually 3 resists u forgot dance of aligment
QuoteIm not gonna tell you how to buff, cause I know that both Voudas and Lucifsg are good players that know how to buff..... But there's gotta be something you are doing wrong since you guys get hit for way more then other players with worse gear then you guys.
mby u are right but now will be right to talk not about dmg but about dps
Quote from: lucifsg on September 24, 2009, 05:58:14 PM
well thats cause me galdaf n voudas are noob mages as it appears XD
didn't say that, and especially to avoid misunderstanding, I wrote that I spoke about "worthy opponents", means u know how to play and u are good geared. speaking about damage on you and the above mentioned, I guess no deflect arrow on those classes, and probably u didn't had chant of prot, I don't have a better explanation
Still my statement stands, all archers without OE drac bow or Icarus bow, can't do considerable damage to well buffed opponents. Nerfing them even more is just a joke.
Quote from: PvtStuka on September 24, 2009, 08:27:26 PM
didn't say that, and especially to avoid misunderstanding, I wrote that I spoke about "worthy opponents", means u know how to play and u are good geared. speaking about damage on you and the above mentioned, I guess no deflect arrow on those classes, and probably u didn't had chant of prot, I don't have a better explanation
Still my statement stands, all archers without OE drac bow or Icarus bow, can't do considerable damage to well buffed opponents. Nerfing them even more is just a joke.
well dunno ... most ppl say that the ic bow is overpowered. didnt notice if i was gitting 3k's from ic bow or db bow...
If the cop wont remove and ic bow gets nerfed then things ll be back to normal imo ...
but atm getting 3k's while mages hit back for 400 dmg thats facked up
You wont get 3k from any archer if you're properly buffed, the biggest dmg dealing archer on the server atm is Yoda, so he probably hit you when you lacked CoP of some sort.
Damage diff isn't very big between Icarus or Draconic bow, it really doesn't matter, just the re-use delay of arrows is way shorter at Icarus than at Draconic.
Just implement the fuking atribute system so mages can hit harder and thats all..
Quote from: BanThemAll on September 24, 2009, 08:50:36 PM
Just implement the fuking atribute system so mages can hit harder and thats all..
in that way archer will hit even harder than now if IC bow will not be fixed trust me
Quote from: Marinella on September 24, 2009, 08:52:11 PM
in that way archer will hit even harder than now if IC bow will not be fixed trust me
Isnt atribute system only for elemental or dakr/holy dmg?
i know dagger can use it and make backstab +10 fire and hit harder, but what about archers?
Quote from: Furesy on September 24, 2009, 08:44:55 PM
You wont get 3k from any archer if you're properly buffed, the biggest dmg dealing archer on the server atm is Yoda, so he probably hit you when you lacked CoP of some sort.
he uses zerk ffs, what else to add ;D
Quote from: Marinella on September 24, 2009, 08:22:08 PM
you have def arrow lv 4 and it gives alot - while you got 1k max i can resive 2k in front and 3000-3500 from back
So why don't ppl take a tank sub if they are afraid to get rolled by archer? I would really like to have a PP sub or something aswell, but I chose defense instead.
And 2k in the front and 3-3,5k in the back doesn't sound all that bad for a Mage in robe without tanksub getting hit by a fullbuffed archer with the best gear money can buy? Actually sounds pretty fair imo.
Quote from: Marinella on September 24, 2009, 08:22:08 PM
y but why it should be so fast??? and why the same bonuses didnt apply for mage IC wepon wit same price for 200 DC ???
Do you really want it to be like that? Personally im really glad.... Archers nowadays kinda need to have Icarus bow to be a real threat... Us mages are lucky that we don't need to spend 200 coins on a weapon just to keep up with the leet crowd.
And why do ppl all of a sudden complain about the "insane attack speed" have you all lost your memory?
We only got slow archers recently... For the first like 2-3 years all fighters stacked Combat pots with regular haste making all archers machineguns.... And if you look even further back you had stacking masteries on top of that making He/wlk for example able to reach about 2k attackspeed without breaking a sweat.
But back then ppl didn't complain about it..... Thats just the way it was, and ppl still played mages. The only diffrence now is that ppl got used to mages rolling everything else including their 1 nemesis namely the archers.
Quote from: Marinella on September 24, 2009, 08:22:08 PM
by mages with good gear u couldnt get 3-4-5-7 crits 1 by 1 coz mcrite rate rly low now, and DPS are lower too
Thats B-S mages crit hard and at a decent rate. I play without valakas and im able to reach up to 20% crit rate. Say you have about 1,8k cast it will take you about 5 seconds to take me down unless im buffed to resist your specific element.
In a mass situation where you have a mixed buffsetup for every element you have about 2 resists per element. Mages crit me for about 1,7k on elemental attacks, and about 2,5k on a vortex if they landed surrender. And i got 2,3k m.def..... not great but prolly over average.
Add to that the ability to debuff, slow down, weaken cancel, heal and the fact that like 60% of mages have the ability to ress eachother I'd say that pretty much makes up for the slightly lower dmg.
Quote from: Marinella on September 24, 2009, 08:22:08 PM
actually 3 resists u forgot dance of aligment
Ohh yeah, forgot about that one.... but I can promise that you will never come up against anyone who stacks 3 holy resistance buffs on purpose... especially not that 2 minute dance^^
Quote from: Marinella on September 24, 2009, 08:22:08 PM
mby u are right but now will be right to talk not about dmg but about dps
On a mage with robe set you will get hit with the most DPS by an archer.
On anything with heavy armor, or tank sub regardless of armor you will get hit with the most DPS by mages.
Sounds fair and balanced don't you think?
Quote from: kidicarus on September 24, 2009, 10:10:22 PM
Archers nowadays kinda need to have Icarus bow to be a real threat...
:( :(
Quote from: kidicarus on September 24, 2009, 10:10:22 PM
Archers nowadays kinda need to have Icarus bow to be a real threat...
And you think this is the way it should be?
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on September 25, 2009, 01:01:01 AM
And you think this is the way it should be?
YES!!!!!
(Is this the wrong answer???)
IMO, track should replace ALL gears on ther server. People with Icarus get top A grade gears. People with S grade get B grade and so on, all shiny shiny weps get deleted and all ppl's just stop crying.
Then we can all have really long and happy pvp's :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 12:21:25 AM
:( :(
You kidding me with the sad faces? You scare the shit out of me with your speedy gonzales ninja style, you are one of the few archers that can hurt me and thats cause you also have those nasty duals. Triple sonic slash crit = Dead Kidvicious
Quote from: kidicarus on September 25, 2009, 01:37:51 AM
You kidding me with the sad faces? You scare the shit out of me with your speedy gonzales ninja style, you are one of the few archers that can hurt me and thats cause you also have those nasty duals. Triple sonic slash crit = Dead Kidvicious
TSS crit = Dead anyone :/
Btw, what basic stat does glad crits depend on, coz i know it aint dex for sure!!
Quote from: Zuluman on September 25, 2009, 01:47:25 AM
TSS crit = Dead anyone :/
Btw, what basic stat does glad crits depend on, coz i know it aint dex for sure!!
on STR. So it is handy for Glad and for HE as well.
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 01:49:01 AM
on STR. So it is handy for Glad and for HE as well.
Cool and I guess you still get goot HP even with -8/9 con.... i got 11.2k on pal stats which is cool.
Quote from: Zuluman on September 25, 2009, 01:51:04 AM
Cool and I guess you still get goot HP even with -8/9 con.... i got 11.2k on pal stats which is cool.
I have only +5 STR -5 CON.
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 02:21:43 AM
I have only +5 STR -5 CON.
i use +50 dex !!!
check my speed xD
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7107/43426368.png) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/43426368.png/)
Quote from: Deavon on September 25, 2009, 02:57:07 AM
i use +50 dex !!!
check my speed xD
p.s: Rabbits lvl 3 ;<
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7107/43426368.png) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/43426368.png/)
Quote from: Deavon on September 25, 2009, 02:57:07 AM
i use +50 dex !!!
check my speed xD
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7107/43426368.png) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/43426368.png/)
what the.... o_0
Quote from: Deavon on September 25, 2009, 02:57:07 AM
i use +50 dex !!!
check my speed xD
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7107/43426368.png) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/43426368.png/)
Gimme counter dash too :)
I am Paper, Stone is okay, but Scissor needs a nerf!
I am Scissor, Paper is okay, but Stone needs a nerf!
I am Stone, Scissor is okay, but Paper needs a nerf!
dnet word ;) ;D
Quote from: Deavon on September 25, 2009, 02:57:07 AM
i use +50 dex !!!
check my speed xD
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7107/43426368.png) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/43426368.png/)
CHEATER!
counter dash is working :O? or what? i dont get it, didnt see it before on NM :P
Quote from: FadeAway on September 25, 2009, 09:26:18 AM
counter dash is working :O? or what? i dont get it, didnt see it before on NM :P
I guess it is not screen from NM. :) HE/WK cannot reach such speed even with counter dash :P
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 09:43:53 AM
I guess it is not screen from NM. :) HE/WK cannot reach such speed even with counter dash :P
if not NM then arena coz you can see CHP on screen
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 09:43:53 AM
I guess it is not screen from NM. :) HE/WK cannot reach such speed even with counter dash :P
Well dunno from what server it is then... since i clearly see a combat haste potion there. Unless the photo is photoshopped :P.
Quote from: FadeAway on September 25, 2009, 09:49:06 AM
Well dunno from what server it is then... since i clearly see a combat haste potion there. Unless the photo is photoshopped :P.
uhm, buffbar from NM, speed from different server (or at least from different char), since it is cutted :P There is no way for HE/WK to reach such speed, because only special thing is Counter Dash and although it is big boost, it won't add 100+ points to speed. :P
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 09:51:06 AM
uhm, buffbar from NM, speed from different server (or at least from different char), since it is cutted :P There is no way for HE/WK to reach such speed, because only special thing is Counter Dash and although it is big boost, it won't add 100+ points to speed. :P
But is counter dash even implanted? And ye counter dash only adds 40 more speed if i'm correct... So the number of the speed the screen has,
is close to impossible on Nightmare :p
Quote from: FadeAway on September 25, 2009, 09:56:07 AM
But is counter dash even implanted? And ye counter dash only adds 40 more speed if i'm correct... So the number of the speed the screen has,
is close to impossible on Nightmare :p
it is impossible for HE/WK :) I could be close to such speed with HE/Glad on Counter dash... But again, It wasn't working last time I played (though it is almost a week now).
But what I experienced on different server was, that Counter Dash effects were stacking. :P
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 09:43:53 AM
I guess it is not screen from NM. :) HE/WK cannot reach such speed even with counter dash :P
he can, he's edited
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 09:43:53 AM
I guess it is not screen from NM. :) HE/WK cannot reach such speed even with counter dash :P
want me to post whole screen to proove its from NM?
Quote from: FadeAway on September 25, 2009, 09:49:06 AM
Well dunno from what server it is then... since i clearly see a combat haste potion there. Unless the photo is photoshopped :P.
Never doubt me Fade never !!!
For non believers !!!
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2333/shot00026g.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/shot00026g.jpg/)
Quote from: Deavon on September 25, 2009, 12:48:30 PM
For non believers !!!
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2333/shot00026g.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/shot00026g.jpg/)
hmm i need a explanation here, or i'd might think that NYPD was right and CB are track butbuddies... :o
Back to topic!
Quote from: Sali on September 23, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
solution for QQing mages. Make mage tank or gtfo! Arrow resist for robes? HAHAH imagine mage/tank then, cuting range? hahah ye make archers a close combat fighters so we will start use daggers insted of bows. Decresing attack speed of ic bow? then why da fak i spend 230 coins for that shit?
+9999999999999999! nothing to ADD!
Get fking serious!! If Ic bow gets nerfed than i want mine 230 eu back and my db+f+11! Cause all will be fked up when db+f = ic+f!!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on September 25, 2009, 01:17:22 PM
Get fking serious!! If Ic bow gets nerfed than i want mine 230 eu back and my db+f+11! Cause all will be fked up when db+f = ic+f!!
no 1 give a freak about u so QQ more . or give 15/25% to c.spd effect in icarus hall :>
Quote from: rezz on September 25, 2009, 01:28:46 PM
anyway Deathand needs like 500 speed to run away from Duxel.
possible !!!
Quote from: FadeAway on September 25, 2009, 12:51:56 PM
hmm i need a explanation here, or i'd might think that NYPD was right and CB are track butbuddies... :o
Well what to explain, i am editing deathand whats so hard to understand?
Quote from: Deavon on September 25, 2009, 12:48:30 PM
For non believers !!!
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2333/shot00026g.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/shot00026g.jpg/)
It's look like toggle dash ....xD
Quote from: Deavon on September 25, 2009, 12:48:30 PM
For non believers !!!
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2333/shot00026g.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/shot00026g.jpg/)
Wtf :D Counter dash wasn't suppose to add 40 speed?
ok so:
counter dash works?
good
now.... TEST COUNTER RAPID FIRE ON SILVER RANGER :D
wanna see 2400 atk speed !!!!!!
Quote from: TrackZero on September 25, 2009, 01:41:18 PM
Well what to explain, i am editing deathand whats so hard to understand?
yeah, tbh, i'm tired of using - C.speed setup after you edited me and 5k-6k casting on fullbuff was too obvious : <
Interesting that death blocked out the attributes XD
well if you can reach 399 with just one active Dash (not counting Counter Dash now), then I should be able to reach more then 420 for sure :)
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 11:23:17 PM
well if you can reach 399 with just one active Dash (not counting Counter Dash now), then I should be able to reach more then 420 for sure :)
check better my screen ,i m using dash and counter dash .
p.s: if any kind of archer or any char can reach more than me i ll give him all my gear xD
Quote from: Deavon on September 26, 2009, 01:57:00 AM
p.s: if any kind of archer or any char can reach more than me i ll give him all my gear xD
You sure?
Quote from: Furesy on September 26, 2009, 01:57:45 AM
You sure?
not photoshop and GM haste allowed xD
p.s: if someone believes i made it by fotoshop ,Mason and Ice was there and saw me moving with 399 and they got lagged xDDD
p.s2: yes im sure xD
Quote from: Deavon on September 26, 2009, 01:57:00 AM
check better my screen ,i m using dash and counter dash .
p.s: if any kind of archer or any char can reach more than me i ll give him all my gear xD
that is, my dear clan-mate, with all due respect quite stupid.
Why? because if there isnt any bug/exploit/edit involved here, then there are plenty of chars that can reach more. Or another, just like you, but with doom light set, tatoos level 4, +5 DEX setup, hero berserk, or skill from onyx beast transformation and who knows what other way to increase speed i forget here.
And if there is a bug/exploit/edit involved, if you keep rubbing it in the public's eyes, there will be one of the following effects:
1. it is a bug. Keep rubbing it in Track's eye and he'll fix it, so less speed for u.
2. It is an exploit. Keep boasting and you'll get banned.
3. It is an edit. Keep boasting and you'll get banned.
4. It is either one of the three above, and you won't get banned or punished. Keep rubbing that in public's eyes and we'll smell GM corruption from miles away. And that means? players will say:
"wtf, corruption, he's exploiting/being edited/hax etc and he's not getting banned!
Let's leave this shitty server with bugs and corrupted GM"
And that means less players and less enemies for you to kill
And less donations for our dear Track.
So, please keep rubbing it in our eyes! very smart!
Quote from: Deavon on September 26, 2009, 01:57:00 AM
check better my screen ,i m using dash and counter dash .
p.s: if any kind of archer or any char can reach more than me i ll give him all my gear xD
I know you are using both, that's why I said:
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 25, 2009, 11:23:17 PM
(not counting Counter Dash now)
On my top speed test, I had both Dashes (from HE and Glad) and the same buffs and some more and I could reach only 339. Seriously, counter dash cannot make that much of a difference :)
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 26, 2009, 02:06:33 AM
that is, my dear clan-mate, with all due respect quite stupid.
Why? because if there isnt any bug/exploit/edit involved here, then there are plenty of chars that can reach more. Or another, just like you, but with doom light set, tatoos level 4, +5 DEX setup, hero berserk, or skill from onyx beast transformation and who knows what other way to increase speed i forget here.
And if there is a bug/exploit/edit involved, if you keep rubbing it in the public's eyes, there will be one of the following effects:
1. it is a bug. Keep rubbing it in Track's eye and he'll fix it, so less speed for u.
2. It is an exploit. Keep boasting and you'll get banned.
3. It is an edit. Keep boasting and you'll get banned.
4. It is either one of the three above, and you won't get banned or punished. Keep rubbing that in public's eyes and we'll smell GM corruption from miles away. And that means? players will say:
"wtf, corruption, he's exploiting/being edited/hax etc and he's not getting banned!
Let's leave this shitty server with bugs and corrupted GM"
And that means less players and less enemies for you to kill
And less donations for our dear Track.
So, please keep rubbing it in our eyes! very smart!
lole'd xD
Dunno how to answer excacly on that ,you are to mean to me and you hurted my e-feelings xD
p.s: Read my signature ,its not made by luck ! xDDD
Gosh Penix you got period or something or just emo attacked ,that screen was made to make noobs QQ once more not to piss you off xD
p.s: even Drake is informed how i had this speed , so chill out xD
Edit : With second though by taking a good look at screen you will find the best scenario of conspirancy xD
Check check dash is toggle !!!
Dash buff is stucked at 0 !!!
Check check he is hiding my DEX !!!
Gosh how much i like to provoke ppl xD specially when the answer is obvious :p This screen could nt taken better ,and imagine was nt on porpuse taken on that state xD
ok back to topic, the joke is not over yet, now windstorm last 1 minute! xD
Quote from: Deavon on September 26, 2009, 04:02:09 AM
lole'd xD
Dunno how to answer excacly on that ,you are to mean to me and you hurted my e-feelings xD
p.s: Read my signature ,its not made by luck ! xDDD
Gosh Penix you got period or something or just emo attacked ,that screen was made to make noobs QQ once more not to piss you off xD
p.s: even Drake is informed how i had this speed , so chill out xD
Edit : With second though by taking a good look at screen you will find the best scenario of conspirancy xD
Check check dash is toggle !!!
Dash buff is stucked at 0 !!!
Check check he is hiding my DEX !!!
Gosh how much i like to provoke ppl xD specially when the answer is obvious :p This screen could nt taken better ,and imagine was nt on porpuse taken on that state xD
yeah, i was touchy yesterday. i guess i had a bad day :D
Sorry mate :*
lol ppl cry abauy op archers and track desrase time of wind storm good joke....
PS. anti magic armor work so now bp/pal have UD, vegenace, SoF, celestial, anti magic armor + 2 self rezz xD
Quote from: Diver on September 26, 2009, 03:23:45 PM
PS. anti magic armor work so now bp/pal have UD, vegenace, SoF, celestial, anti magic armor + 2 self rezz xD
So...... Let me get this straight... You think bp/pal is opverpowered?
Quote from: WindPhoenix on September 26, 2009, 02:06:33 AM
that is, my dear clan-mate, with all due respect quite stupid.
Why? because if there isnt any bug/exploit/edit involved here, then there are plenty of chars that can reach more. Or another, just like you, but with doom light set, tatoos level 4, +5 DEX setup, hero berserk, or skill from onyx beast transformation and who knows what other way to increase speed i forget here.
And if there is a bug/exploit/edit involved, if you keep rubbing it in the public's eyes, there will be one of the following effects:
1. it is a bug. Keep rubbing it in Track's eye and he'll fix it, so less speed for u.
2. It is an exploit. Keep boasting and you'll get banned.
3. It is an edit. Keep boasting and you'll get banned.
4. It is either one of the three above, and you won't get banned or punished. Keep rubbing that in public's eyes and we'll smell GM corruption from miles away. And that means? players will say:
"wtf, corruption, he's exploiting/being edited/hax etc and he's not getting banned!
Let's leave this shitty server with bugs and corrupted GM"
And that means less players and less enemies for you to kill
And less donations for our dear Track.
So, please keep rubbing it in our eyes! very smart!
You forgot the 5th option numpty. Death was helping track test counterdash. Track got it workking but death told him how OP it was and now track has reduced its effect.
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Quote from: kidicarus on September 26, 2009, 03:42:43 PM
So...... Let me get this straight... You think bp/pal is opverpowered?
I think pal is OP, and ofc im saying that as a pal myself. I have been saying that since i made my char though.
Quote from: kidicarus on September 26, 2009, 03:42:43 PM
So...... Let me get this straight... You think bp/pal is opverpowered?
nooo only hard to kill :P
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8079/shot00009m.jpg)
ye, archers are op ;D
he was on self i think...
Quote from: Zuluman on September 26, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
I think pal is OP, and ofc im saying that as a pal myself. I have been saying that since i made my char though.
HB = tank rlz :D
Quote from: mark_elesse on September 26, 2009, 05:09:12 PM
lol ! you copied my full skillbars ? :))s
something like that :P
edited: there is a lil difference, like u dont have nobl on skillbars, and atk. f4 :)
btw my skillbars allways were like it, i just made some modify after seeing yours ;D
Nerf That sh1t... omg (Archer's Server!) :-\
Song of Windstorm = 1min lol ... N/C >:(
Just look at this... all buffs for Archers... got nerf... all buffs Time 1min...! :-\
ppl delete your chars... and Go Make Archers! then will be funny pvp :-X
Quote from: stanko on September 27, 2009, 03:05:31 PM
Attribute system is working?
in infy not
at least , holy weapon (holy attribute buff) doesnt give points.
Quote from: seboulba on September 27, 2009, 04:24:50 PM
for him yes :D
or maybe i m just freaking with ur minds xD
Quote from: Evolution on September 27, 2009, 01:02:23 PM
Just look at this... all buffs for Archers... got nerf... all buffs Time 1min...! :-\
ppl delete your chars... and Go Make Archers! then will be funny pvp :-X
Kapibar,u rather stfu cos not even with 2 buffbots that give u fullbuffs u'r able to kill an archer,a mage,or w/e that moves around.
Quote from: Evolution on September 27, 2009, 12:25:38 PM
Nerf That sh1t... omg (Archer's Server!) :-\
Song of Windstorm = 1min lol ... N/C >:(
And yet you can still have 100% reuse, jeez so you have to click a button twice in two minuits instead of once...and??
Quote from: Deavon on September 27, 2009, 08:36:36 PM
or maybe i m just freaking with ur minds xD
Better than with our asses
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 27, 2009, 10:50:46 PM
Kapibar,u rather stfu cos not even with 2 buffbots that give u fullbuffs u'r able to kill an archer,a mage,or w/e that moves around.
tough boy !
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 27, 2009, 10:50:46 PM
Kapibar,u rather stfu cos not even with 2 buffbots that give u fullbuffs u'r able to kill an archer,a mage,or w/e that moves around.
ja ja ja ofc... i ask... why only buffs for archer's ressist got nerf ... ::)
make them minimum 2min... and no need nerf archers ::) :P bzc now they are OverPowered without this ressist's ... :-\
Quote from: Evolution on September 29, 2009, 10:54:18 AM
ja ja ja ofc... i ask... why only buffs for archer's ressist got nerf ... ::)
Nerf? U just need to press it once per min.,is that a nerf lol?
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 29, 2009, 07:56:20 PM
Nerf? U just need to press it once per min.,is that a nerf lol?
:) well i found a solution
re-put it to 2, also 3 mins
and half resistance power!
maybe they like more that way :D
Quote from: Evolution on September 29, 2009, 10:54:18 AM
ja ja ja ofc... i ask... why only buffs for archer's ressist got nerf ... ::)
some weeks ago, my song of silence. sooo only buffs for archers resists ?
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 29, 2009, 07:56:20 PM
Nerf? U just need to press it once per min.,is that a nerf lol?
why not put all songs/dances to 1 minute then? you only have to sing them once per minute and you have infinite mana!!!
Quote from: wildpussy on September 30, 2009, 12:35:58 AM
why not put all songs/dances to 1 minute then? you only have to sing them once per minute and you have infinite mana!!!
sarcasm mode on 8)
Quote from: wildpussy on September 30, 2009, 12:35:58 AM
why not put all songs/dances to 1 minute then? you only have to sing them once per minute and you have infinite mana!!!
Did u hear'bout Mana Potions,Elixirs and Potions of Regeneration?
Oh,and y,make it longer,I'm already tired of switching windows ::)
Quote from: Dag on September 29, 2009, 08:01:13 PM
:) well i found a solution
re-put it to 2, also 3 mins
and half resistance power!
maybe they like more that way :D
just make them like others songs & dances... (2min!) ::)
Quote from: Evolution on October 01, 2009, 01:41:03 PM
just make them like others songs & dances... (2min!) ::)
also the one from bd? :D
actually dance of blade storm reuse is very quick now and u can spam it nonstop on some bd subs.
meaning u make a party with only fighters and no archers and they are basically immune to arrows o.O
Quote from: Dag on October 01, 2009, 01:44:13 PM
also the one from bd? :D
nah this one keep on 1min.
Quote from: Sephiroth on October 04, 2009, 10:19:33 PM
Why? lol
because with this archer's don't have chance.. ;D
Quote from: Evolution on October 06, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
because with this archer's don't have chance.. ;D
Ah,but mages use bows? ::)
Quote from: Sephiroth on October 06, 2009, 10:05:48 PM
Ah,but mages use bows? ::)
nope, but mages have 100 matak with this dance)- it makes it pretty useless, or at least it can be used only when they running somewhere.
and it was about warriors, and warrios are not only archers
Quote from: Marinella on October 06, 2009, 11:10:49 PM
nope, but mages have 100 matak with this dance)- it makes it pretty useless, or at least it can be used only when they running somewhere.
and it was about warriors, and warrios are not only archers
Shows how much you know. The point of this dance is to spam it until all the archers run out of arrows,
Quote from: Zuluman on October 07, 2009, 01:45:47 AM
Shows how much you know. The point of this dance is to spam it until all the archers run out of arrows,
lol
Quote from: Zuluman on October 07, 2009, 01:45:47 AM
Shows how much you know. The point of this dance is to spam it until all the archers run out of arrows,
llllllllllllooooooooooooooolll
ecpecially when pvp is against archers only, you really knows "much". man better dont write anything aabout that :D :D
Quote from: Zuluman on October 07, 2009, 01:45:47 AM
Shows how much you know. The point of this dance is to spam it until all the archers run out of arrows,
ever heard about Quiver of Arrows skill? :D
Quote from: Marinella on October 06, 2009, 11:10:49 PM
nope, but mages have 100 matak with this dance)- it makes it pretty useless, or at least it can be used only when they running somewhere.
and it was about warriors, and warrios are not only archers
He said that archers wouldn't have chance w/o the dance if I'm not wrong,and he's a mage,where's the point I'm missing?
Just use the dance when archer are on their Sof move, matk doesn't matter at all for recharge, get 100 or 5k the Recharged amount will not move from 1 number, and they heal amount is almost not influed by matk as well, hence....
Quote from: our4n0s on October 07, 2009, 07:09:42 PM
and they heal amount is almost not influed by matk as well, hence....
LOL? since when?
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 07, 2009, 07:13:23 PM
LOL? since when?
It is influenced... but you can still heal like 1-1,5k with 100 m.atk, so atleast its still usefull. But it is significantly lower then with high m.atk.
Quote from: kidicarus on October 07, 2009, 07:34:15 PM
It is influenced... but you can still heal like 1-1,5k with 100 m.atk, so atleast its still usefull. But it is significantly lower then with high m.atk.
yeah, almost not influed, since when you go from AM+a+0 to ic +A+4, you ll regen 9 hp more on ~1400
Quote from: our4n0s on October 07, 2009, 07:59:32 PM
yeah, almost not influed, since when you go from AM+a+0 to ic +A+4, you ll regen 9 hp more on ~1400
T_T
use demon fangs and check heal then.
Quote from: Marinella on October 07, 2009, 12:42:23 PM
llllllllllllooooooooooooooolll
ecpecially when pvp is against archers only, you really knows "much". man better dont write anything aabout that :D :D
I love the stupidity of some people :P
Quote from: Ashlynn on October 07, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
ever heard about Quiver of Arrows skill? :D
Eventually they will run out of crystals and re-use for quiver is rather long :p
Quote from: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 12:26:32 AM
I love the stupidity of some people :P
Eventually they will run out of crystals and re-use for quiver is rather long :p
And by that time you'll run out of mana pots as well... and you know, not every char has Body to Mind :D
Quote from: Ashlynn on October 08, 2009, 12:32:50 AM
And by that time you'll run out of mana pots as well... and you know, not every char has Body to Mind :D
Nor enough hp to use it forever ;)
Quote from: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 02:20:51 AM
Nor enough hp to use it forever ;)
most chars with Body to mind got some spells to regain HP either by Vampiric Claw or by Corpse Life Drain ;)
Quote from: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 12:26:32 AM
I love the stupidity of some people :P
Eventually they will run out of crystals and re-use for quiver is rather long :p
oh yeah i love that pr0 playes that dont know nothing about skillz :D
u dont have arguments.. u start flame...and ths is stupid, not even ur funny posts about this skill :D
Quote from: Ashlynn on October 08, 2009, 01:52:09 PM
most chars with Body to mind got some spells to regain HP either by Vampiric Claw or by Corpse Life Drain ;)
Vampiric don't work to well on archers :P
Quote from: Marinella on October 08, 2009, 01:54:52 PM
oh yeah i love that pr0 playes that dont know nothing about skillz :D
u dont have arguments.. u start flame...and ths is stupid, not even ur funny posts about this skill :D
Dude your actually retarded.... you can't even see that we are taking the ppiss out of you lol.
Sure I really think that you should use dance of bladstorm untill an archer uses his 5k arrows up ;D :D :D :D
Quote from: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 02:05:34 PM
Vampiric don't work to well on archers :P
It doesn't work well at players at all, since it is draining really low % of damage back to your HP, so unless you crit it into Gloomed and Vortexed enemy it is pretty much useless. BUT - you can always use it on nearby mobs, on who you drain enough to be at full HP ;)
Quote from: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 02:05:34 PM
Vampiric don't work to well on archers :P
it doesnt work to well on resists not on archers lol
Quote from: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 02:05:34 PMDude your actually retarded.... you can't even see that we are taking the ppiss out of you lol.
said the most retarded guy, what can i add....quote me more
Quote from: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 02:05:34 PMSure I really think that you should use dance of bladstorm untill an archer uses his 5k arrows up ;D :D :D :D
heh, u rly find its funny? :-\
Quote from: Marinella on October 08, 2009, 04:10:51 PM
it doesnt work to well on resists not on archers lol
said the most retarded guy, what can i add....quote me more
heh, u rly find its funny? :-\
No shit Sherlock.
Yea, sure.
You stupidity is the only funny thing on this forum.
Quote from: Zuluman on October 08, 2009, 07:38:08 PM
No shit Sherlock.
Yea, sure.
Your stupidity is the only funny thing on this forum.
Quote from: Ashlynn on October 08, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
It doesn't work well at players at all, since it is draining really low % of damage back to your HP, so unless you crit it into Gloomed and Vortexed enemy it is pretty much useless. BUT - you can always use it on nearby mobs, on who you drain enough to be at full HP ;)
The reason it doesn't work well on archers is not because of low percentage of HP regained. It's one of the most efficient vampiric spells, but it will only take a % of your HP lost. And since most archers spam CP nonstop part of the dmg goes on your CP wich means you get less HP back.
Quote from: kidicarus on October 09, 2009, 12:17:05 PM
The reason it doesn't work well on archers is not because of low percentage of HP regained. It's one of the most efficient vampiric spells, but it will only take a % of your HP lost. And since most archers spam CP nonstop part of the dmg goes on your CP wich means you get less HP back.
uhm, okey, but some times ago there was a topic about those drains (I think it was called "Remove Dark atribute from OL drains" or so) and there was told that Vampiric Claw regains less % then Overlord's drain (dunno how is that one called, I never played OL).. Well, I might be wrong :) Still I would rather use it on mobs instead of players.. :)
Quote from: Ashlynn on October 09, 2009, 01:34:27 PM
uhm, okey, but some times ago there was a topic about those drains (I think it was called "Remove Dark atribute from OL drains" or so) and there was told that Vampiric Claw regains less % then Overlord's drain (dunno how is that one called, I never played OL).. Well, I might be wrong :) Still I would rather use it on mobs instead of players.. :)
Yeah there were several topics about them. Even i made one.
And yeah the OL drain is the most efficient since it has no attribute. But im fairly certain they both regain 80% HP... Might be that vampclaw does 60%.
But if you compare it with for example drain health that is 20% it still rocks.
Quote from: kidicarus on October 09, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
Yeah there were several topics about them. Even i made one.
And yeah the OL drain is the most efficient since it has no attribute. But im fairly certain they both regain 80% HP... Might be that vampclaw does 60%.
But if you compare it with for example drain health that is 20% it still rocks.
I am not certain about it, but I guess Vampiric Claw should regain less %, just for the sake of not making Necromancers/Spellhowlers more powerful then Overlords. For OL his drain is the only nuke spell so at least it should regain more HP then Necromancer's/SH's one :)
Quote from: Ashlynn on October 09, 2009, 02:52:30 PM
I am not certain about it, but I guess Vampiric Claw should regain less %, just for the sake of not making Necromancers/Spellhowlers more powerful then Overlords. For OL his drain is the only nuke spell so at least it should regain more HP then Necromancer's/SH's one :)
True. This is ok when u talk about a retail server, with no stack system like we have.
But if u consider that here we can stack classes and even make mutant chars (like NE/OL or SH/OL) i found would be fair that all Drains would have the same %.
Quote from: Weezer on October 09, 2009, 03:29:49 PM
True. This is ok when u talk about a retail server, with no stack system like we have.
But if u consider that here we can stack classes and even make mutant chars (like NE/OL or SH/OL) i found would be fair that all Drains would have the same %.
yup, question is whether they really have same regaining percentage :P
Nevertheless, I would still rather drain nearby mobs than players! :)
Steal Essence regains the most HP from all the drains (80% of damage done), Vampiric comes in second with 60% HP regained from damage done, Drain health restores 20%
Quote from: lucifsg on September 23, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
As topic says and after half of server rerolling to archer/xx maybe its time for a nerf to balance it with other classes ?
The problems are mentioned many times i just wanna remind em . Huge att speed and damage. And the problem gets even bigger as they get scrolls like archers will and resist magic scrolls like protection of elemental/rune. So u guys get more power/dmg power + range and at the same time magic resists... What i keep seeing repeating on the forum is that mages which know how to buff themselfs got no problems vs archers etc , well LOL thats BULLSHIT. I m always on 2.2k p def when im out for pvp vs archers and i see my damage chat beeing spammed of 2 and 3k's ... An archer that has archers will and snipe on can rape from 1450 range....while full buffed mage hits back for 400dmg max...WTF ?? Voudas was on heroe ud and buffs (aka 7k+ p def) and he was getting 950-1k dmg per hit from he/wl. A full buffed archers party needs 2 mage partys to get killed this is totally freaked up and unbalanced.
Thats all , if u wanna share smth usefull feel free to post , if u wanna just spam freak off
freak it mate, the server has degraded into some bullshit over the years, why u think i break my gear and peace the freak out? :P much love to ya homie and i hope all is well, but look, drains never even got fixed 0.o nightmare is FAIL now a days, come play WoW. it might suck but at least there is always something to do when u log ;P or maybe we should go play aion, i hear that is good :P
Quote from: Saorin on October 10, 2009, 11:30:37 AM
freak it mate, the server has degraded into some bullshit over the years, why u think i break my gear and peace the freak out? :P much love to ya homie and i hope all is well, but look, drains never even got fixed 0.o nightmare is FAIL now a days, come play WoW. it might suck but at least there is always something to do when u log ;P or maybe we should go play aion, i hear that is good :P
or quit and pwn in RL.
delete mutants :P
Quote from: Balzamon on October 10, 2009, 12:22:18 PM
delete mutants :P
delete dynasty sets and icarus/dyna weapons and lets stay in simple draconic/ic sets and am with db bows stuff and would be very nice as it was when we had just this...
Quote from: Weezer on October 09, 2009, 03:29:49 PM
True. This is ok when u talk about a retail server, with no stack system like we have.
But if u consider that here we can stack classes and even make mutant chars (like NE/OL or SH/OL) i found would be fair that all Drains would have the same %.
Ok with you if you give same casting and same MP cost for OL drain like for vampiric claw. MP cost of vampiric claw is 28, MP cost of OL steel essence is 177. A skill that cost x6,32 MP does not gives you back 380% hp compared to Necro vampiric. Also, humans have basic INT 41 and orc mystic have basic INT 31.
Quote from: jygh on October 10, 2009, 12:37:59 PM
delete dynasty sets and icarus/dyna weapons and lets stay in simple draconic/ic sets and am with db bows stuff and would be very nice as it was when we had just this...
almost everybody enjoyed more c3/c4 because the top gear was easy to get and the skill was all that mattered. Now gear is the most important.
On the other hand, the GM like what is happening today, because they get more $$ out of donations.
Just like in any business, what producers want is opposed to what consumers want.
We are the consumers, the GMs are the providers.
They want more money so they freak up the server with all the non-craftable overpowered Icarus and DNET sets, we want better gameplay. But as far as i see, our oppinion counts less.
Quote from: Oblique on October 10, 2009, 12:38:29 PM
Ok with you if you give same casting and same MP cost for OL drain like for vampiric claw. MP cost of vampiric claw is 28, MP cost of OL steel essence is 177. A skill that cost x6,32 MP does not gives you back 380% hp compared to Necro vampiric. Also, humans have basic INT 41 and orc mystic have basic INT 31.
Vampiric Claw lvl 28(max) cost 103 mana, even +15Cost is still 80 mp....where did you get 28 mp?
Quote from: Oblique on October 10, 2009, 12:38:29 PM
Ok with you if you give same casting and same MP cost for OL drain like for vampiric claw. MP cost of vampiric claw is 28, MP cost of OL steel essence is 177. A skill that cost x6,32 MP does not gives you back 380% hp compared to Necro vampiric. Also, humans have basic INT 41 and orc mystic have basic INT 31.
vampiric claw cost 128 mana or near it not 28 :P
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 10, 2009, 01:04:38 PM
almost everybody enjoyed more c3/c4 because the top gear was easy to get and the skill was all that mattered. Now gear is the most important.
On the other hand, the GM like what is happening today, because they get more $$ out of donations.
Just like in any business, what producers want is opposed to what consumers want.
We are the consumers, the GMs are the providers.
They want more money so they freak up the server with all the non-craftable overpowered Icarus and DNET sets, we want better gameplay. But as far as i see, our oppinion counts less.
boyyyyyyy ..if this was 1947 and i was a younger fither man
Quote from: jygh on October 10, 2009, 01:15:41 PM
vampiric claw cost 128 mana or near it not 28 :P
Really 128 ? Then I've got the wrong info.
Quote from: Oblique on October 10, 2009, 01:38:56 PM
Really 128 ? Then I've got the wrong info.
ye, 28 mana costs maybe the basic Vampiric spell from Human Mystic.
Quote from: Furesy on October 09, 2009, 04:18:23 PM
Steal Essence regains the most HP from all the drains (80% of damage done), Vampiric comes in second with 60% HP regained from damage done, Drain health restores 20%
Life Leech is 80% aswell ;)
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 10, 2009, 01:04:38 PM
almost everybody enjoyed more c3/c4 because the top gear was easy to get and the skill was all that mattered. Now gear is the most important.
OH COME ON, stop going for GM eating money and killing fun, that's a narrow minded vision..
And mainly at c4... when i was there, ppl were complaining every day for IL, they were freaking crying the shit out of them, EVERYONE.
But you know, this is the eternal fact that people want what they do not have, now that we have HB they want anything but HB, back when we were c4 they wanted IL to the bones
Quote from: our4n0s on October 11, 2009, 05:48:33 PM
OH COME ON, stop going for GM eating money and killing fun, that's a narrow minded vision..
And mainly at c4... when i was there, ppl were complaining every day for IL, they were freaking crying the shit out of them, EVERYONE.
But you know, this is the eternal fact that people want what they do not have, now that we have HB they want anything but HB, back when we were c4 they wanted IL to the bones
the reason why they were complaining back in c4, asking for IL it was boredom. they wanted something new. but i guess they wanted something new and good, not something new that would freak up the server, creating huge gaps in terms of gear, like Icarus.
Noncraftable Icarus.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 11, 2009, 05:56:59 PM
the reason why they were complaining back in c4, asking for IL it was boredom. they wanted something new. but i guess they wanted something new and good, not something new that would freak up the server, creating huge gaps in terms of gear, like Icarus. Noncraftable Icarus.
they wanted something new, they wanted something they didn't have, go for c4 (which will never happen) and poeple will ask c3, gracia, c2 or god knows what XD
Quote from: our4n0s on October 11, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
they wanted something new, they wanted something they didn't have, go for c4 (which will never happen) and poeple will ask c3, gracia, c3 or god knows what XD
that is common indeed, but i guess they wanted less IL back then compared with how much they regret all the craps we have in HB nowadays.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 11, 2009, 05:56:59 PM
the reason why they were complaining back in c4, asking for IL it was boredom. they wanted something new. but i guess they wanted something new and good, not something new that would freak up the server, creating huge gaps in terms of gear, like Icarus. Noncraftable Icarus.
ye thats the point.... new localisations new things to do and not rly overpwrd items....
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 11, 2009, 07:09:20 PM
that is common indeed, but i guess they wanted less IL back then compared with how much they regret all the craps we have in HB nowadays.
i don't see any crap in HB except new buffbar, i like HB more than IL... except that complete BS concerning the new buffbar
Quote from: our4n0s on October 11, 2009, 07:31:37 PM
i don't see any crap in HB except new buffbar, i like HB more than IL... except that complete BS concerning the new buffbar
I see non-craftable overpowered weapons, like Icarus bow, and an evergrowing gap between the donators and boters on one hand, and the average player on the other.
Quote from: jygh on October 11, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
ye thats the point.... new localisations new things to do and not rly overpwrd items....
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 11, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
I see non-craftable overpowered weapons, like Icarus bow, and an evergrowing gap between the donators and boters on one hand, and the average player on the other.
ultimate solution:
Turn all prices of weapons/sets/items on Donny into adena. Icarus for 230 DC » 230 Adena. ha!
C3 was awesome cuz it wasnt that hard to get top gear so main difference between players were enchant on their weapons and loa, fg were the only places where pvps took place. C4 brought rb jewels so a little gap started, but its nothing compared to the game nowdays cuz of dnet sets, icarus weapons, rb jewels and augments... Also we have lots of skills that make too much of a difference in pvp (foi, sof) and the new buffbar freaks it up too ::)
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on October 11, 2009, 11:24:09 PM
C3 was awesome cuz it wasnt that hard to get top gear so main difference between players were enchant on their weapons and loa, fg were the only places where pvps took place. C4 brought rb jewels so a little gap started, but its nothing compared to the game nowdays cuz of dnet sets, icarus weapons, rb jewels and augments... Also we have lots of skills that make too much of a difference in pvp (foi, sof) and the new buffbar freaks it up too ::)
word.
close topic...
I say lets bump it..... I don't think "the joke" has gone far enough
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Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
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Hehe
LEARN HOW TO BUFF
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
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this dmg from archer with icarus+11 and might 10 lvl augment, so what about other archers with not such good bow and augments ?
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
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so? i get similar or even lower damage while TP is standing ;D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 12, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
so? i get similar or even lower damage while TP is standing ;D
If you didn't get that screen inside this topic you must be pretty stupid or on drugs.
PS: I'd really doubt he would hit you for lower xD
Now, wheres lucifsg? :D
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 08:11:28 PM
If you didn't get that screen inside this topic you must be pretty stupid or on drugs.
PS: I'd really doubt he would hit you for lower xD
i care too few to bother testing :P
and yeah, maybe not less, but similar. i remember ~800 damage from Deathand on criticals while both in fullbuff and i had Lina's DNET set. anyway, a char like SK/PS with both deflect arrow and TP gets like dunno? 400 on crit? and is still a mage in robe.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 13, 2009, 12:04:42 AM
i care too few to bother testing :P
and yeah, maybe not less, but similar. i remember ~800 damage from Deathand on criticals while both in fullbuff and i had Lina's DNET set. anyway, a char like SK/PS with both deflect arrow and TP gets like dunno? 400 on crit? and is still a mage in robe.
i m weak ;<
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
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OMG
OMG
OMG
a fullbuffed he (i think he....human skinn....) criticall hit u for uber awesome 980 ????
omg yes archer need a nerf
yes yes
Quote from: Furesy on October 12, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
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heh dude i saw ur pic . dunno who was it that show me but u look smth like 16 maybe 17 , i understand it needs a little more effort for u to get it so i ll try it one more time cause at the end u kinda seem cool guy.
1) ur a bot u cant do to me anything but sackle me. actually with thoose buffs i could be 100% on imunity so forget sackle as well. u cant hit me or hurt me , u just need to spam heals on ur ass so u can stay alive
2) is damage per second .... can u realize it ? ye u can. ur on full buffs and u have time just to spam heals and resong windstorm on 8k hp. imagine that
3) u got reflict arrow and good heals. now read 1 and 2 and tell me what a sh/ps could do or just any mage that is not support char
Quote from: WindPhoenix on October 13, 2009, 12:04:42 AM
i care too few to bother testing :P
and yeah, maybe not less, but similar. i remember ~800 damage from Deathand on criticals while both in fullbuff and i had Lina's DNET set. anyway, a char like SK/PS with both deflect arrow and TP gets like dunno? 400 on crit? and is still a mage in robe.
120 max with tp imo
Quote from: lucifsg on October 13, 2009, 01:01:57 PM
heh dude i saw ur pic . dunno who was it that show me but u look smth like 16 maybe 17 , i understand it needs a little more effort for u to get it so i ll try it one more time cause at the end u kinda seem cool guy.
1) ur a bot u cant do to me anything but sackle me. actually with thoose buffs i could be 100% on imunity so forget sackle as well. u cant hit me or hurt me , u just need to spam heals on ur ass so u can stay alive
2) is damage per second .... can u realize it ? ye u can. ur on full buffs and u have time just to sp........
3) u got reflict arrow and good heals. now read 1 and 2 and tell me what a sh/ps could do or just any mage that is not support char
teamplay
Quote from: Dag on October 13, 2009, 12:48:34 PM
OMG
OMG
OMG
a fullbuffed he (i think he....human skinn....) criticall hit u for uber awesome 980 ????
omg yes archer need a nerf
yes yes
+11 Icarus with best possible auguments also .
Imo this screen makes lucif looks hilarius once once more .
Edit : LOL and this damn retarted noob who is on DrMoufas using berseker also . that means that for regular and smart archer who wint using berseker the damage is even lower.
:)
oh it also has might lvl 10??? ;D
omg
i was just considering that ok might lvl 10 bonus is similar to zerk.... so damage should be same
btw....
archer sooooooooo overpowered
Quote from: lucifsg on October 13, 2009, 01:01:57 PM
heh dude i saw ur pic . dunno who was it that show me but u look smth like 16 maybe 17 , i understand it needs a little more effort for u to get it so i ll try it one more time cause at the end u kinda seem cool guy.
1) ur a bot u cant do to me anything but sackle me. actually with thoose buffs i could be 100% on imunity so forget sackle as well. u cant hit me or hurt me , u just need to spam heals on ur ass so u can stay alive
2) is damage per second .... can u realize it ? ye u can. ur on full buffs and u have time just to spam heals and resong windstorm on 8k hp. imagine that
3) u got reflict arrow and good heals. now read 1 and 2 and tell me what a sh/ps could do or just any mage that is not support char
I'm 19.
1. What you try to say with "your a bot"? It looks kinda pathetic actually, people trying to diss you with calling you bot or something? I wonder how they call all the support chars on official that play support just to buff / heal or regen the others, you really think they even dare try 'insult' them with the word bot? No, because they know they can't do shit without those 'bots' and people willing to play supports. But all you people have forgotten how L2 actually works simply because of these stacking subs.
I don't need to hurt you, I don't need to kill you, I have my party members for that, I can keep myself alive pretty easy, I could re-sing while you were hitting me, even rebuff while you were hitting me.
2. So what if it's damage per second? Lineage 2 is a game based on teamplay and buffs, I'm a support char, and you hitting me with the highest enchanted Icarus ingame and with the best augments possible for an archer.
3. I have deflect arrow 2, it's not everything, without it you would crit me around 1.1k / 1.2k. What bullshit argument is this? You ever heard someone from official say "I'm a SPS, my friend is EE and he can out-heal this archer hitting me for 1.5k! What am I supposed to do!?" No they don't lol, it's just class defined, luckily on DN you can have stacking subs and actually choose for the ability to heal yourself, buff yourself, extra defense or extra damage. You can't have everything. (PS: Get a bishop or other healer in party?)
Quote from: Furesy on October 13, 2009, 04:23:55 PM
I'm 19.
1. What you try to say with "your a bot"? It looks kinda pathetic actually, people trying to diss you with calling you bot or something? I wonder how they call all the support chars on official that play support just to buff / heal or regen the others, you really think they even dare try 'insult' them with the word bot? No, because they know they can't do shit without those 'bots' and people willing to play supports. But all you people have forgotten how L2 actually works simply because of these stacking subs.
I don't need to hurt you, I don't need to kill you, I have my party members for that, I can keep myself alive pretty easy, I could re-sing while you were hitting me, even rebuff while you were hitting me.
2. So what if it's damage per second? Lineage 2 is a game based on teamplay and buffs, I'm a support char, and you hitting me with the highest enchanted Icarus ingame and with the best augments possible for an archer.
3. I have deflect arrow 2, it's not everything, without it you would crit me around 1.1k / 1.2k. What bullshit argument is this? You ever heard someone from official say "I'm a SPS, my friend is EE and he can out-heal this archer hitting me for 1.5k! What am I supposed to do!?" No they don't lol, it's just class defined, luckily on DN you can have stacking subs and actually choose for the ability to heal yourself, buff yourself, extra defense or extra damage. You can't have everything. (PS: Get a bishop or other healer in party?)
u are so wasting your time replying to ungoliath and luci... they won't get sh1t from what u are trying to explain them
can i has icarus bow +11?
Quote from: kang on October 13, 2009, 04:34:07 PM
can i has icarus bow +11?
Icarus +11 + top auguments is nothing if you have no idea how to set up an archer .
I faced Drmoufas plenty times to varka and i got pms from him like "wtf how you hit me for 3,5k and i hit you for 1k"
p.s: i have Dynasty bow +4 (duel might 10 passive) ,i ve said it many times,its all about ur game style and not the gear u got ,if you cant figure out this you will be a forum QQryer and you will make ppl laughing like lucif doing the last weeks .
imo lock this topic cause it was and it is worthless since it started.
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