As topic said, i was away few days so im not really know hows archers now.
Question is , is it true they are doing 1k max crit on mages with robe set, while mages do 7-8k all the time? In generally are arhcers fuked up?Is it true they got bad patack and range?
Thx for serious answers.
Depends what archer subs you want to know, normal archers sucks, some 'special' ones are ok.
Well like i told before mages do EXTREME damage with the attributes.It's impossible with unholy resistance and 2100 mdef to take 9k dmg from Necros.I have seen pvp oe archer vs sps/ee full buffed both and sps/ee you afford the dmg with his heal and eventually kill the archer, so probably something is wrong here.
Quote from: Furesy on January 13, 2010, 02:47:19 PM
Depends what archer subs you want to know, normal archers sucks, some 'special' ones are ok.
He/wk
Quote from: Furesy on January 13, 2010, 02:47:19 PM
Depends what archer subs you want to know, normal archers sucks, some 'special' ones are ok.
Well those specials you say are the duelist or i am wrong.You used the bugged duelist spirit to do really big dmg with archer while it should work the bonus with duals only.
Quote from: TrackZero on January 13, 2010, 02:51:11 PM
He/wk
HE/WK char is really nothing special anymore, dmg on mages sucks, and if a mage is subbed to tank or whatever, it's not even worth trying to kill lol
The only way you will do some damage now with a 'normal' archer is if you have full gear, which means, boss set, Icarus bow with high attribute lvl, though, your dmg still a joke compared to hits from most mages, especially magic crits.
well.....
infy has same setup as NM now?
i can make test with he/sws ..... if u want. but not now (work)
also... wanna test: fullbuffed for dmg vs fullbuffed for pdef?
or something more simple? (buff pp+bd VS buff pp+sws?)
equip is raid / icarus for archer but just dc robe for mage
(or if u prefer i can ask friend, with dnet robe +6 and DB+f+16....... so it will be max p atk vs max p def)
I played BP/WK a few days ago, in DC Robe set, SoM acu, D grade shield and tats jewels.
Archers were having a hard time killing me and they were with 2 or 3 lol (I did die, but it's kinda a joke tbh)
Quote from: TrackZero on January 13, 2010, 02:44:06 PM
As topic said, i was away few days so im not really know hows archers now.
Question is , is it true they are doing 1k max crit on mages with robe set, while mages do 7-8k all the time? In generally are arhcers fuked up?Is it true they got bad patack and range?
Thx for serious answers.
But before boosting/nerfing some class fix attribute system first, especially attributes in armor. Only then u may try balancing classes. Cuz fixed attributes may really change smth (if we r lucky - it'll balance mages-fighters).
Consider this in ur next updates.
archers are always hitting for 1k if the mage has windstorm + cop...
Quote from: 48Bit on January 13, 2010, 03:07:01 PM
But before boosting/nerfing some class fix attribute system first, especially attributes in armor. Only then u may try balancing classes. Cuz fixed attributes may really change smth (if we r lucky - it'll balance mages-fighters).
Consider this in ur next updates.
+1 1st fix atribute and then boost/nerf classes :-X
furesy tell me what archer hit more than 1.5k dmg on full buffed mage with wind+chant ? no1... its the truth...
@topic : archers are rly sucks atm vs mages...
instead of reply , post a screen :D
Quote from: scary on January 13, 2010, 03:09:01 PM
furesy tell me what archer hit more than 1.5k dmg on full buffed mage with wind+chant ? no1... its the truth...
Archer/Glad x)
Quote from: Dag on January 13, 2010, 03:13:20 PM
instead of reply , post a screen :D
I'll gladly make some tests, like before, just need to wait until my SWS/EE gets unbanned with all my gear :)
that was 2 weeks ago..
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4365/shot00016d.png)
thx to attributes archers look pretty balanced now (archers with lvl 4+ attribute in weapon). but mages are fuking OP and every damn noob on our server already rerolled to mage.
since its impossible to cast resist buffs from every element (buff slot limit) party with mages of 3-4 kind is really devastating since one attack might do 3k damage on resists and another will do over 6k. also to be completely protected from fighters its enough of sws/wc buff. to be protected vs mages u need bd/sws/pp/wc
Quote from: Dag on January 13, 2010, 03:13:20 PM
instead of reply , post a screen :D
sounds like u want proofs? how can u post screenshot with buffs of both sides doing test? therefore u cant get a real proof.
its like im making 1k crit , hes making 2-3k normal...
@alex : same goes here... im sure soon many ppl`s will reroll to mage (most if them started...)
Well tbh, people were whining before that mages sucked and archers were OP (while they were not lol), that was back with the old buffbar.
Then archers got nerf and mages got boosted (made zero sense) and the difference became pretty big between archers and mages, now with bugged attribute system the difference became even greater.
I can re-post the screen from Archer vs Mage tests before, the reason why they got nerfed and mages got boost (made no sense :p) I wanna make new tests :D
Quote from: Alex on January 13, 2010, 03:23:54 PM
thx to attributes archers look pretty balanced now (archers with lvl 4+ attribute in weapon). but mages are fuking OP and every damn noob on our server already rerolled to mage.
since its impossible to cast resist buffs from every element (buff slot limit) party with mages of 3-4 kind is really devastating since one attack might do 3k damage on resists and another will do over 6k. also to be completely protected from fighters its enough of sws/wc buff. to be protected vs mages u need bd/sws/pp/wc
sounds like u want proofs? how can u post screenshot with buffs of both sides doing test? therefore u cant get a real proof.
no i don't need proof (i know archer hit low if u are fullbuff)
simply i say: isntead of 350 post with <bcdefg .... a post with a screen is better :)
how u can do that???? log with a friend and print screen
or wait and i try to make somthing when i go home
Quote from: Dag on January 13, 2010, 03:32:37 PM
no i don't need proof (i know archer hit low if u are fullbuff)
simply i say: isntead of 350 post with <bcdefg .... a post with a screen is better :)
how u can do that???? log with a friend and print screen
or wait and i try to make somthing when i go home
u always need screens ... just take it for good.. and that full buff to get low dmg is lol.. u need 1 pp buff , 1 wc and 2 songs
Just as I noticed good info about fixing FSs in other topic
GMs want to change ballance again.....thinking only about mages-archers
what will be really funny, they can again fock everything, cause will take as tests words of some noobs who "can't have all resists"
and will make test racher vs full defended mage - low damage, archer w/o resists getting huge hits by mage....
not counting that archers got 1300+ range, mages still 900
not counting simple melee classes
mages MUST have attribute on weapon that corresponds to their attack
fighters, including archers, can use almost any (wind, earth, dark, holy tested 100% working, fire - doesn't work, water didn't test)
PS: admins think what you've done to summoners, pets, if not erased on start, don't have attribute defence at all, attack attribute is not transfered to summon, when should (when weapon atr corresponds to one of summon type)
Quote from: Dag on January 13, 2010, 03:00:08 PM
well.....
infy has same setup as NM now?
i can make test with he/sws ..... if u want. but not now (work)
also... wanna test: fullbuffed for dmg vs fullbuffed for pdef?
or something more simple? (buff pp+bd VS buff pp+sws?)
equip is raid / icarus for archer but just dc robe for mage
(or if u prefer i can ask friend, with dnet robe +6 and DB+f+16....... so it will be max p atk vs max p def)
ZIIIIING!!! always at your service great dag =-)
Tbh, screens really don't matter lol
Before we made tests (when the first people started to whine about archers being OP and mages sucking) and we ended up with this (NOTE: This is an OLD screenshot, from before mage boost and archer nerf)
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7623/shot00040g.jpg)
And archers still got nerfed, cause they 'were critting mages for 3k+" :D
Quote from: Furesy on January 13, 2010, 03:41:58 PM
And archers still got nerfed, cause they 'were critting mages for 3k+" :D
ya lol..
welll furesy that screen is not such relevant.. anyway archers < < < mages atm
better just lower the m atk boost for a whilee
Yea.... But look like BD/PS or BD/SE have very low damge.... rly......i hit from full buff archers like 300 ? so this is geat damge right ?
Quote from: nivael on January 13, 2010, 03:50:28 PM
Yea.... But look like BD/PS or BD/SE have very low damge.... rly......i hit from full buff archers like 300 ? so this is geat damge right ?
ur oly bot so shuuush.....
Quote from: DaVinci on January 13, 2010, 03:48:18 PM
welll furesy that screen is not such relevant.. anyway archers < < < mages atm
better just lower the m atk boost for a whilee
why lol ? cuz this nerf will touch more mage without ica+a+7-8-9-10 ppl with am+a or som+a will do what ?
Quote from: DaVinci on January 13, 2010, 03:48:18 PM
welll furesy that screen is not such relevant.. anyway archers < < < mages atm
better just lower the m atk boost for a whilee
I stated it was an old screenshot ^^ that test was made to prove those whiners wrong back then, yet, the archers still got nerfed and mages still got boosted (for no apparent reason), so making screens and doing tests seem to make no sense ;p
QuoteYea.... But look like BD/PS or BD/SE have very low damge.... rly......i hit from full buff archers like 300 ? so this is geat damge right ?
Neither of these classes are nukers, on official none of those classes are made to deal damage (with magic attacks) :)
Quote from: nivael on January 13, 2010, 03:50:28 PM
Yea.... But look like BD/PS or BD/SE have very low damge.... rly......i hit from full buff archers like 300 ? so this is geat damge right ?
This classes r assist classes, not nuker classes.
Some kind of chars r made to assist the whole pt, not to me the main DD.
Yeaaa look mage with arana mace ++++++ make rly low damge.......
Well i can't rly ad nothing! Furesy pretty much made his points and i agree with him...
I'm just shocked how some archers manage to deal +/- 1k crits on mages... cause i'm sr/tk, fully geared, with ic/f+6 and i can't manage to deal more than 600-700 for a wiele now >:( ??? :-X
Like it was said, now a days if i spot any mage/tank in the corner.... i flee in fear.... sadly.... :-\
Quote from: nivael on January 13, 2010, 03:50:28 PM
Yea.... But look like BD/PS or BD/SE have very low damge.... rly......i hit from full buff archers like 300 ? so this is geat damge right ?
bd/se low damage? :D
on oly 6.5k crit to glad/pp, 5k crit to ty/wc, and i still don't have max lvl attribute
once again shows, that all those numbers that will appear here are irrelevant
Dealing 70-90 normal hits on mage/tanks is just plain waisting of ss's tbh...
(made 1 more to make 400 posts ;D)
uuuuuuuu w0t happened with resistance ally?
Well i dont know the exact situation on server atm but imo you should lover mages dammage and reduce the effect of COP and song of windstorm... And fix cop so it wont get removed by stun (if its still bugged lol)
That way it will actually make sence to have a mage/tank, while now the difference in dammage taken from normal mages and the tank mages were too small...
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 13, 2010, 04:18:27 PM
bd/se low damage? :D
on oly 6.5k crit to glad/pp, 5k crit to ty/wc, and i still don't have max lvl attribute
once again shows, that all those numbers that will appear here are irrelevant
why 6.5k crit to glad/pp and 5k crit to ty/wc? should be lower on glad/pp xD
Quote from: VforVanilla on January 13, 2010, 02:50:58 PM
Well like i told before mages do EXTREME damage with the attributes
lol atributes are only for mages? i dont think so.
Archers with earth or other atribute lvl 9 in weapon make many stronger damage than w/o atribute (tested). So dont talk bullshit about only mages got boost from atributes. This system is freaked up, still doesn't work correctly.
Track first fix atributes in armors, and after that ask us about result.
Quote from: Pawciu on January 13, 2010, 04:28:12 PM
lol atributes are only for mages? i dont think so.
Archers with earth or other atribute lvl 9 in weapon make many stronger damage than w/o atribute (tested). So dont talk bullshit about only mages got boost from atributes. This system is freaked up, still doesn't work correctly.
Track first fix atributes in armors, and after that ask us about result.
well buffed mage wont get more than 1,5k crit im sure...
bd/se low damage?
on oly 6.5k crit to glad/pp, 5k crit to ty/wc, and i still don't have max lvl attribute
ofc if you have "A" jevels
For me a big problem is that whilst mages have enough buffslots to fully protect them vs archers, archers cannot do likewise. For a fighter to be 'fullbuffed' it requires a lot more buffslots. Mages only need song of windtorm, CoP, Bladstorm to defend against archers whilst archer need a seperate buff for each of the elements.
Quote from: Alex on January 13, 2010, 03:23:54 PM
thx to attributes archers look pretty balanced now (archers with lvl 4+ attribute in weapon). but mages are fuking OP and every damn noob on our server already rerolled to mage.
since its impossible to cast resist buffs from every element (buff slot limit) party with mages of 3-4 kind is really devastating since one attack might do 3k damage on resists and another will do over 6k. also to be completely protected from fighters its enough of sws/wc buff. to be protected vs mages u need bd/sws/pp/wc
sounds like u want proofs? how can u post screenshot with buffs of both sides doing test? therefore u cant get a real proof.
agree :
archers are fine
just mage OP
Quote from: Zuluman on January 13, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
For me a big problem is that whilst mages have enough buffslots to fully protect them vs archers, archers cannot do likewise. For a fighter to be 'fullbuffed' it requires a lot more buffslots. Mages only need song of windtorm, CoP, Bladstorm to defend against archers whilst archer need a seperate buff for each of the elements.
i dont think mages use bladestorm O.o ;)
Quote from: scary on January 13, 2010, 04:32:10 PM
well buffed mage wont get more than 1,5k crit im sure...
pff. not every mage has a tank sub...
Quote from: Zuluman on January 13, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
For me a big problem is that whilst mages have enough buffslots to fully protect them vs archers, archers cannot do likewise. For a fighter to be 'fullbuffed' it requires a lot more buffslots. Mages only need song of windtorm, CoP, Bladstorm to defend against archers whilst archer need a seperate buff for each of the elements.
& again archers annoy about buffslots.
like in every pvp fights are only mages vs archers, huh?
mages fight each other too (they also need resists, u know).
in most of pvps enemy has different classes, so stop that shit alrdy.
Quote from: 48Bit on January 13, 2010, 05:17:43 PM
pff. not every mage has a tank sub...
& again archers annoy about buffslots.
like in every pvp fights are only mages vs archers, huh?
mages fight each other too (they also need resists, u know).
in most of pvps enemy has different classes, so stop that shit alrdy.
When he talks about 1,5k is about normal mage class like SPS/EE or NE/PP (with full buffs ofc). On mages with tank subclass is way less damage.
Also mages need less buffs to be full buffed than archer/fighter pt.
Quote from: Weezer on January 13, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
When he talks about 1,5k is about normal mage class like SPS/EE or NE/PP (with full buffs ofc). On mages with tank subclass is way less damage.
Also mages need less buffs to be full buffed than archer/fighter pt.
+100
rly nothing to add! not even a "."
The main thing why all is unbalanced is cause of subclass. :D Wipe all and make it retail like and every1 will be happy. :D Even Drake with less fixes (not like he did some, hum? ^^)
Quote from: TheLox on January 13, 2010, 05:40:29 PM
The main thing why all is unbalanced is cause of subclass. :D Wipe all and make it retail like and every1 will be happy. :D Even Drake with less fixes (not like he did some, hum? ^^)
DN is famous cuz of dn sub system :) Id rather see a rollback to c4 and balancing stuff would be much easier ^^
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on January 13, 2010, 06:13:09 PM
DN is famous cuz of dn sub system :) Id rather see a rollback to c4 and balancing stuff would be much easier ^^
That would be perfect :)
we tested damage today
SPS/EE (dyna mace+4+water atribute almost full lvl 9) and HE/PP (icarus bow+4+holy atribute full lvl 9)
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8569/shot00058n.jpg)
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1803/shot00060z.jpg)
w/o zerk, song of elemental, dance of aqua guard, resist aqua (dont have slot in buff bar)
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on January 13, 2010, 06:13:09 PM
I'd rather see a rollback to c4 and balancing stuff would be much easier ^^
True.
Quote from: Pawciu on January 13, 2010, 06:22:42 PM
we tested damage today
SPS/EE (dyna mace+4+water atribute almost full lvl 9) and HE/PP (icarus bow+4+holy atribute full lvl 9)
w/o zerk, song of elemental, dance of aqua guard, resist aqua (dont have slot in buff bar)
So you do 666 normal dmg, without even landing surrender or vortex, lolz
And it's most people's point exactly, you don't have enough slots for resists, especially not against every type of mage x)
You got uber low M atk, and did you even use Arcane power? lol
I also wonder this archers setup, status, gear and everything.
Another thing, you let the archer hit you in the back, and he deals that damage, if he hits you from front he will deal way less damage :) (and seriously, what idiot mage turns his back on archer xd?)
Quote from: Furesy on January 13, 2010, 06:28:43 PM
You got uber low M atk, and did you even use Arcane power? lol
I also wonder this archers setup, status, gear and everything.
on first screen i was w/o m.atk pot
3,1k per hit with arcana power
i didn't check surrender and vortex but its easy to calculate
Quote from: Pawciu on January 13, 2010, 06:53:36 PM
3,1k with arcana power
i didn't check surrender and vortex but its easy to calculate
your screens are shit, you manipulated results, how lame.
Yes you did, with archer hiting you in back, with you not using vortex/surrender, arcane power, and also, you used only mere aqua atack, what about solar flare ah ? light vortex?
you're just trying to protect you char from a nerf, how pathetic.
Quote from: our4n0s on January 13, 2010, 07:03:31 PM
your screens are shit, you manipulated results, how lame.
Yes you did, with archer hiting you in back, with you not using vortex/surrender, arcane power, and also, you used only mere aqua atack, what about solar flare ah ? light vortex?
you're just trying to protect you char from a nerf, how pathetic.
u are lame, with atribute lvl 9 i make more damage from water attack, no solar flare or light vortex
Stop the panic !..
Poor dmg from archer bacause shield defence chance ( improve shielding buff + passive mastery ) it takes 1 buff slot and all mystics useing shields...
Quote from: CIIaCubo on January 13, 2010, 07:05:04 PM
Stop the panic !..
Poor dmg from archer bacause shield defence chance ( improve shielding buff + passive mastery ) it takes 1 buff slot and all mystics useing shields...
man this is not BadUser section...check where u write smth :D:D
remove atribute or fix atribute in armour
well i mostly got big dmg`s by necro`s...
Quote from: Pawciu on January 13, 2010, 06:22:42 PM
we tested damage today
SPS/EE (dyna mace+4+water atribute almost full lvl 9) and HE/PP (icarus bow+4+holy atribute full lvl 9)
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8569/shot00058n.jpg)
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1803/shot00060z.jpg)
w/o zerk, song of elemental, dance of aqua guard, resist aqua (dont have slot in buff bar)
i can't see song of windstorm :) on pawcii
Ok... On every mage rly good buffed i hit for 1.3k or a little bit more.. with all good buffs.. and resists.. Necro/pp hits me for more than 7k critical... lol... i still remember i was buffed for fighters.. still had magic barrior ofcoz.. cov bla bla.. 9k ?.. we r joking?... same as sps.. 4k critical every fcking time.. even i have 2.3k m.def...
Quote from: joroboro on January 13, 2010, 08:40:08 PM
i can't see song of windstorm :) on pawcii
u re blind u re blind
Quote from: FckMeImFamous on January 13, 2010, 08:56:39 PM
Ok... On every mage rly good buffed i hit for 1.3k or a little bit more.. with all good buffs.. and resists.. Necro/pp hits me for more than 7k critical... lol... i still remember i was buffed for fighters.. still had magic barrior ofcoz.. cov bla bla.. 9k ?.. we r joking?... same as sps.. 4k critical every fcking time.. even i have 2.3k m.def...
just simply fakin roll on dante and pwn em all ha??
Quote from: joroboro on January 13, 2010, 08:40:08 PM
i can't see song of windstorm :) on pawcii
i have in first screen when archer is hitting me. On second time i dont need windstorm
we just made some test on infy too
he/sws no tatto/ dye (original stats) draco bow + 16without attribute, p atk buff ALL + pots but no cat crit buff, p atk pots, snipe
vs
sh/se with dyna robe +6, full p def + pots but no windstorm &chant crit (2k p def)
crit hit for 1900 (when no shield block)
so the 1000-1200 crit with chant prot e song windstorm is reasonable value
on the other side
sh/se on full m atk (14k m atk ) with +9 wind attribute
vs
th/pp with jewels +6,dyna light +6, all FS on, elem prot , resist wind, full m def (2580)
SH hit for 800-900 (not crit)
Besides mages power, any fighter cant get buffed proprely vs mage, like pp buffs (elemental protection, resist aqua, unholy) without being overbuffed, and now with 6 more slots on FS to use it will get worst.
Buff bar should be changed imo. :-\
Quote from: G4rro on January 13, 2010, 09:43:02 PM
dude u should ask it before u made nerf on archers cuz they was fine , every single well buffed mage was getting cryts like 2k max , with deflect arrow around 1.6k , u nerfed us only bcoz of tardness low skilled mage without a brain to buff himself properly called lucy , who was making post every single day .
+1 no more words needed..
Quote from: TrackZero on January 13, 2010, 02:44:06 PM
As topic said, i was away few days so im not really know hows archers now.
Question is , is it true they are doing 1k max crit on mages with robe set, while mages do 7-8k all the time? In generally are arhcers fuked up?Is it true they got bad patack and range?
Thx for serious answers.
yes, its TRUE.
Or simply you can boost Song of Elemental and end of story ,happy end for all .
Quote from: Deavon on January 13, 2010, 11:18:26 PM
Or simply you can boost Song of Elemental and end of story ,happy end for all .
more ppl cry about necro's damage, no elemental attacks ;)
Quote from: Furesy on January 13, 2010, 06:28:43 PM
(and seriously, what idiot mage turns his back on archer xd?)
I would cuz it would make no difference in dammage (if i remember well), unless the archer uses the selfbuffs (dont remember the name atm) that increases dammage from back and reduces from front... But in reallity i would offcourse never run away from an archer since archers were usually the ones that ran away :P
fix pain of shilien and touch of shilien
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on January 13, 2010, 11:36:46 PM
I would cuz it would make no difference in dammage (if i remember well), unless the archer uses the selfbuffs (dont remember the name atm) that increases dammage from back and reduces from front... But in reallity i would offcourse never run away from an archer since archers were usually the ones that ran away :P
i think that is th skill :D u are used with your he/th :D
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on January 13, 2010, 11:36:46 PM
I would cuz it would make no difference in dammage (if i remember well), unless the archer uses the selfbuffs (dont remember the name atm) that increases dammage from back and reduces from front... But in reallity i would offcourse never run away from an archer since archers were usually the ones that ran away :P
shield has x3 def rate against bow, and most of sps/ee use advanced shield defense so they have 100% shield def vs bows.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on January 13, 2010, 11:36:46 PM
I would cuz it would make no difference in dammage (if i remember well), unless the archer uses the selfbuffs (dont remember the name atm) that increases dammage from back and reduces from front... But in reallity i would offcourse never run away from an archer since archers were usually the ones that ran away :P
A mage without shield masteries has shield defense from all sides, except his back :) so hitting him on back would deal dmg you do to a mage without a shield.
Besides, archers have 70% crit rate on back, while 50% from front. (if fullbuffed with 500 critical)
Quote from: Furesy on January 13, 2010, 06:28:43 PM
So you do 666 normal dmg, without even landing surrender or vortex, lolz
And it's most people's point exactly, you don't have enough slots for resists, especially not against every type of mage x)
You got uber low M atk, and did you even use Arcane power? lol
I also wonder this archers setup, status, gear and everything.
Another thing, you let the archer hit you in the back, and he deals that damage, if he hits you from front he will deal way less damage :) (and seriously, what idiot mage turns his back on archer xd?)
o.w.n.e.d! poor Pawciu :D
Quote from: TrackZero on January 13, 2010, 02:44:06 PM
As topic said, i was away few days so im not really know hows archers now.
Question is , is it true they are doing 1k max crit on mages with robe set, while mages do 7-8k all the time? In generally are arhcers fuked up?Is it true they got bad patack and range?
Thx for serious answers.
I dont understand some things. You ask about overpowered mages? and archers/figters now lost archers/fighter will (coz its sux atm) we lost more speace for buffs (coz some useless buffs like counter chance). we really dont need more nerfs on archers :( and if it gona stay like atm pls nerf eva will and similar fs too ... why only fighters class got nerf ?
Quote from: cthon on January 13, 2010, 11:39:25 PM
i think that is th skill :D u are used with your he/th :D
Pr has something like that too right? Something Death focus death? xD
Quote from: Alex on January 13, 2010, 11:40:45 PM
shield has x3 def rate against bow, and most of sps/ee use advanced shield defense so they have 100% shield def vs bows.
Ok, but i dont really get it why you just said that to me...
Quote from: Furesy on January 13, 2010, 11:43:31 PM
A mage without shield masteries has shield defense from all sides, except his back :) so hitting him on back would deal dmg you do to a mage without a shield.
Besides, archers have 70% crit rate on back, while 50% from front. (if fullbuffed with 500 critical)
Yea but i was talking about tk who has shield defense from all sides :P Are you sure the 70% crit rate really works here, cuz i never noticed any bigger crit rate when i was testing stuff...
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on January 13, 2010, 11:45:48 PM
Ok, but i dont really get it why you just said that to me...
oh looks like you quitted l2 long ago, well actually i said that because shield doesnt work from back if you are not TK or SK and its like 500 pdef less vs archers
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on January 13, 2010, 11:45:48 PM
Pr has something like that too right? Something Death focus death? xD
that's aw :D
Looks like nothing gonna be fixed. OR mages gonna cry again. But then, when was time when freaking NOONE cried about smth? :S
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on January 13, 2010, 11:48:40 PM
Yea but i was talking about tk who has shield defense from all sides :P Are you sure the 70% crit rate really works here, cuz i never noticed any bigger crit rate when i was testing stuff...
In Interlude it did, would be pretty weird if it doesn't anymore in HB, but... this is DN after all :D
Quote from: Alex on January 13, 2010, 11:49:42 PM
oh looks like you quitted l2 long ago, well actually i said that because shield doesnt work from back if you are not TK or SK and its like 500 pdef less vs archers
Yea i know dude, but i was talking about my sps/tk that it doesnt bother me if i get hit from front or back ;)
Quote from: Furesy on January 13, 2010, 11:53:08 PM
In Interlude it did, would be pretty weird if it doesn't anymore in HB, but... this is DN after all :D
Well, i really didnt play much after interlude update but i never knew about the higher crit from back :o, not that it would make any difference if i would know that but anyways... Im ashamed that i didnt know that :P
Quote from: TrackZero on January 13, 2010, 02:44:06 PM
Question is , is it true they are doing 1k max crit on mages with robe set, while mages do 7-8k all the time? In generally are arhcers fuked up?Is it true they got bad patack and range?
P.attack is ok .
Range is totally bugged from time to time and i really makes me angry ,sometimes happens even to have same or less range than mages .
About mages damage , i got normal hit for 2k by necros and m.critical +/- 12k ,even when i go to pvp with total anti-mage set up(including all resists ) i still get 800 damage normal and m.critical around 7k .
Quote from: Deavon on January 14, 2010, 12:56:09 AM
P.attack is ok .
Range is totally bugged from time to time and i really makes me angry ,sometimes happens even to have same or less range than mages .
About mages damage , i got normal hit for 2k by necros and m.critical +/- 12k ,even when i go to pvp with total anti-mage set up(including all resists ) i still get 800 damage normal and m.critical around 7k .
Cuase you are freakin edited gaygreek! STFU!
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 13, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
not counting that archers got 1300+ range, mages still 900
mby at snipe, but after all what for u need range of snipe when u can move? or u havent played archer, so u cant know :< ur talking about range that archers should have, not about the true 1,
Also about hit at mages, its +/- ok, some geting hits from 2k some for 1k and some others for 600 ( not tank classes).
Also mages have to big p def (look at pawciu scree, 2k p def while at he/pp in light armore i can reach 1.8k Oo)
Overall, most of archers have no chance in 1v1 with mage, also in mass pvp its kinda unplayable while ur geting hits starting from 5k m crit going up to 10k. It remind me more Wild West than a L2, just the "wrong side" is pew pewing all :D.
a posible things that could fix this is:
-remove mages boost they get some time ago
-fix armore atribute
-nerf mages p def ( by cuting masteries or smthing)
I have a es/sps and i have max 2k p.def (with cov and tateo hairband)
If mages use cov for p.def they cant use pow so -> less m.crits.
I get around 1.3k / 1.6k of pro archers (Ica bow+atribute lvl 9 +full rb set) from the front with shield defense and full buffs 2k p.def +cop+windstorm). And 900/1.2k from regular archers (Dyna set+atribute+Dyna bow or DB++++++)
And if they are full buff with elemental/song of elemental i hit them with hydro crits of 700-900.
So why u say its not balanced?
Mages with cov dont spam m.crits.
And for the ppl that say that they dont have dyna or ica bow and they dont hit too much..wait for next c4 items event :D
Atribute system works both ways. For mages and archers, so dont cry about that.
Maybe necros are a bit OP but only if they have full rb /ica++++/atribute lvl 9.If they dont they hit like always.
Quote from: BanThemAll on January 14, 2010, 03:02:02 AM
I have a es/sps and i have max 2k p.def (with cov and tateo hairband)
If mages use cov for p.def they cant use pow so -> less m.crits.
I get around 1.3k / 1.6k of pro archers (Ica bow+atribute lvl 9 +full rb set) from the front with shield defense and full buffs 2k p.def +cop+windstorm). And 900/1.2k from regular archers (Dyna set+atribute+Dyna bow or DB++++++)
And if they are full buff with elemental/song of elemental i hit them with hydro crits of 700-900.
So why u say its not balanced?
Mages with cov dont spam m.crits.
And for the ppl that say that they dont have dyna or ica bow and they dont hit too much..wait for next c4 items event :D
Atribute system works both ways. For mages and archers, so dont cry about that.
Maybe necros are a bit OP but only if they have full rb /ica++++/atribute lvl 9.If they dont they hit like always.
just a bullshit, 1st of all we are not talking about players in dc robe sets and som+a, face that if u still dont have dyna it only mean u suck and its not conected with that mages need boost/or no nerf
2nd. rly would like ur nick ig, so may compare the dmg u just said to dmg realy dealed.
3rd. sps is not created to deal a lot of dmg by normal hits but to do more crits than other mages
4th. the 1 who made bigest dmg at me so far is guy with dynast mace so its far from ic+++++++++++++
5th atribute work both way if it work right, for now it work much better for mages till armore atributes suck big time
6th mage with lower gear still can do much more than archer, to deal some decent dmg with archer u need baium+aq, dyna ic bow while mage need am+a and dynasty ;p ( look at wahka as an example :P)
at the end its not topic about "i lack gear so i QQ" but as u mby noticed most of ppl who replied here have top gear.
Quote from: Sali on January 14, 2010, 03:14:50 AM
just a bullshit, 1st of all we are not talking about players in dc robe sets and som+a, face that if u still dont have dyna it only mean u suck and its not conected with that mages need boost/or no nerf
2nd. rly would like ur nick ig, so may compare the dmg u just said to dmg realy dealed.
3rd. sps is not created to deal a lot of dmg by normal hits but to do more crits than other mages
4th. the 1 who made bigest dmg at me so farm is guy with dynast mace so its far from ic+++++++++++++
5th atribute work both way if it work right, for now it work much better for mages till armore atributes suck big time
6th mage with lower gear still can do much more than archer, to deal some decent dmg with archer u need baium+aq, dyna ic bow while mage need am+a and dynasty ;p ( look at wahka as an example :P)
at the end its not topic about "i lack gear so i QQ" but as u mby noticed most of ppl who replied here have top gear.
1) I have dyna set and full rb +dyna mace so stfu ( i doubt a sps/es with dc can reach 2k p.def lol)
2) even if i give u mi nick u wont know me
3)thats obvious xD. Other mages might have more m.atak but lower cast so its almost the same.
4)n/c
5)I dont know if it works well or not. I just say that archers/mages got a great boost in attack coz of atribute system.
6)Ofc mages need lower gear to pvp, if u want to make dmg with archer u would need at least some rb jewels and dyna set but thats gameplay..if u cant aford that dont make archer.
About OL drain.. with 2.8k or 2.9k m.def (with magnus and full buff) best ol drain (a ol/xx with ica+10 ) was for 450/500 so i dont think thats a problem.
And another thing, archers now have Counter Mind/shot/dash etc for the whole pt so its another boost for archers.
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Quote from: BanThemAll on January 14, 2010, 03:27:50 AM
1) I have dyna set and full rb +dyna mace so stfu ( i doubt a sps/es with dc can reach 2k p.def lol)
2) even if i give u mi nick u wont know me
3)thats obvious xD. Other mages might have more m.atak but lower cast so its almost the same.
4)n/c
5)I dont know if it works well or not. I just say that archers/mages got a great boost in attack coz of atribute system.
6)Ofc mages need lower gear to pvp, if u want to make dmg with archer u would need at least some rb jewels and dyna set but thats gameplay..if u cant aford that dont make archer.
About OL drain.. with 2.8k or 2.9k m.def (with magnus and full buff) best ol drain (a ol/xx with ica+10 ) was for 450/500 so i dont think thats a problem.
And another thing, archers now have Counter Mind/shot/dash etc for the whole pt so its another boost for archers.
tbh u dont know a sh1t dude rofl..
make he/necro xD .. activate arcane power you have permanent counter dash .. LULZ :))) ( j/k dunno if self damage from arcane power triggers counter dash :D )
Quote from: BanThemAll on January 14, 2010, 03:27:50 AM
1) I have dyna set and full rb +dyna mace so stfu ( i doubt a sps/es with dc can reach 2k p.def lol)
2) even if i give u mi nick u wont know me
3)thats obvious xD. Other mages might have more m.atak but lower cast so its almost the same.
4)n/c
5)I dont know if it works well or not. I just say that archers/mages got a great boost in attack coz of atribute system.
6)Ofc mages need lower gear to pvp, if u want to make dmg with archer u would need at least some rb jewels and dyna set but thats gameplay..if u cant aford that dont make archer.
About OL drain.. with 2.8k or 2.9k m.def (with magnus and full buff) best ol drain (a ol/xx with ica+10 ) was for 450/500 so i dont think thats a problem.
And another thing, archers now have Counter Mind/shot/dash etc for the whole pt so its another boost for archers.
I gotta go to school and finish my exams but this post doesn't really show the real deal at PvP's :D
No time to answer points, maybe later! qq
1 question: after last update skill archer will dont add p.Att, work just icon on stats nothing changed ,why?
http://www.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_04.html
Look this and say yea yea archers make low damge right ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/889/hahahaachers.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/hahahaachers.png/)
nice buffs xD but you're lacking 2 +pdef buffs (greater shield and song), probably potion, you have zerk .. and god knows what armor elemental enchants
Quote from: nivael on January 14, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
Look this and say yea yea archers make low damge right ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/889/hahahaachers.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/hahahaachers.png/)
Tbh thats why you people dieing like flys by me ,what did u w8 huh? You think you got +16 bow and you will pew pew all people with that kind of buffs?
I m really sorry but you NO idea how to set up and ancher and i m not willing to teach you .
Quote from: nivael on January 14, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
Look this and say yea yea archers make low damge right ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/889/hahahaachers.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/hahahaachers.png/)
1 - u have zerk (lower p. def)
2 - u dont have song of earth (no p. def bonus)
3 - u dont have p. def potion (no p. def bonus)
4 - u dont have windstorm (no bonus against arrows)
Why u complaining about this hit then?!?
Also i bet Death on full buffs for P. Attack and Criticals.
Quote from: Deavon on January 14, 2010, 04:01:12 PM
Tbh thats why you people dieing like flys by me ,what did u w8 huh? You think you got +16 bow and you will pew pew all people with that kind of buffs?
I m really sorry but you NO idea how to set up and ancher and i m not willing to teach you .
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Quote from: Weezer on January 14, 2010, 04:05:55 PM
1 - u have zerk (lower p. def)
2 - u dont have song of earth (no p. def bonus)
3 - u dont have p. def potion (no p. def bonus)
4 - u dont have windstorm (no bonus against arrows)
Why u complaining about this hit then?!?
Also i bet Death on full buffs for P. Attack and Criticals.
and no cop
What can u say for that then :D
2k normal hit by necro ?
p.s: Magic critical was 12k :D
p.s2: I was full buffed when that happend .
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8718/shot00057m.jpg) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/shot00057m.jpg/)
Quote from: Deavon on January 14, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
What can u say for that then :D
2k normal hit by necro ?
p.s: Magic critical was 12k :D
p.s2: I was full buffed when that happend .
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8718/shot00057m.jpg) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/shot00057m.jpg/)
im read all of u post
MAKE ARCHERS O/P MAKE THEM TO KILL WITH 1 HIT ALL GONA BE HAPPY.
1 time im ask about o/p archers i got answer" nito go rerol to archer and all will be happy"
when some1 talk about o/p mages why they didnt got answer" go rerol all to mage and all agein will be happy"
peace around
Quote from: NiToPaMi on January 14, 2010, 04:34:23 PM
im read all of u post
MAKE ARCHERS O/P MAKE THEM TO KILL WITH 1 HIT ALL GONA BE HAPPY.
1 time im ask about o/p archers i got answer" nito go rerol to archer and all will be happy"
when some1 talk about o/p mages why they didnt got answer" go rerol all to mage and all agein will be happy"
peace around
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7726/nitocry.jpg) (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/nitocry.jpg/)
Quote from: Deavon on January 14, 2010, 04:39:35 PM
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7726/nitocry.jpg) (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/nitocry.jpg/)
we learn from u wheare u strong normaly at QQ ing forum :) its not my foult if u still cant learn how to win 1 poor mage like me
track do a lot of in this server but people like deathand will not give a peace to track all the time bcz QQ will never end
about leaving i change my mind i will stay in game to watch u QQ ing game
what a crap so u think that its normal? : DDD damn moron...
Quote from: nivael on January 14, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
Look this and say yea yea archers make low damge right ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/889/hahahaachers.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/hahahaachers.png/)
ahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha..................... i just died xD
full buff vs pp buff and he wanna get 1k from any1? : D
Quote from: NiToPaMi on January 14, 2010, 04:44:15 PM
we learn from u wheare u strong normaly at QQ ing forum :) its not my foult if u still cant learn how to win 1 poor mage like me
track do a lot of in this server but people like deathand will not give a peace to track all the time bcz QQ will never end
about leaving i change my mind i will stay in game to watch u QQ ing game
I like the way you using the "we think that ,we believe that" ,do you have the illusion that you representing the whole forum community?
Or just representing the retarted part of the community?
Quote from: Deavon on January 14, 2010, 05:01:46 PM
I like the way you using the "we think that ,we believe that" ,do you have the illusion that you representing the whole forum community?
Or just representing the retarted part of the community?
we are tired of u check u post around dragon commynity +2000 on nm and more 5000 on dragon x15(posts)
deathand dreams(WANA KILL WITH 1 HIT)
Quote from: NiToPaMi on January 14, 2010, 05:11:16 PM
we are tired of u check u post around dragon commynity +2000 on nm and more 5000 on dragon x15(posts)
deathand dreams(WANA KILL WITH 1 HIT)
The first who will translate this and make it got sense ,i will give him coinx !
Quote from: Deavon on January 14, 2010, 05:14:26 PM
The first who will translate this and make it got sense ,i will give him coinx !
Quote from: NiToPaMi on January 14, 2010, 05:11:16 PM
i'm retarded and wanna blow u.
pay me! :D
Quote from: Deavon on January 14, 2010, 05:14:26 PM
The first who will translate this and make it got sense ,i will give him coinx !
fight in forum with words result = wasted time
cya in the game mr.deathand
Quote from: Deavon on January 14, 2010, 05:17:54 PM
pm me ig :D
later, i'm working and bored here... at least check this from time to time make me laught about some topics. :D
Quote from: nivael on January 14, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
Look this and say yea yea archers make low damge right ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/889/hahahaachers.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/hahahaachers.png/)
Ok let me quote Altheo...
Quote from: our4n0s on January 11, 2010, 08:49:21 PM
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Quote from: nivael on January 14, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
Look this and say yea yea archers make low damge right ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/889/hahahaachers.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/hahahaachers.png/)
If temps buff like this no wonder luci used to cry like a bitch that he was being pew pew'd
i were hitting him for 5k on self (bd/pr)
Quote from: seboulba on January 14, 2010, 06:17:39 PM
i were hitting him for 5k on self (bd/pr)
o0o U POWN.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Zuluman on January 14, 2010, 06:11:40 PM
If temps buff like this no wonder luci used to cry like a bitch that he was being pew pew'd
if u think we get buffs like him on screen so why u can't win in any siege? U can say we are always more, we are zerg but all your words all bullshit.
Quote from: nivael on January 14, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
Look this and say yea yea archers make low damge right ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/889/hahahaachers.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/hahahaachers.png/)
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH
Thanks for reminding me why do I love Deathand!!
Quote from: TheLox on January 14, 2010, 08:43:55 PM
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH
Thanks for reminding me why do I love Deathand!!
<3
Quote from: Black_Power on January 14, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
o0o U POWN.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
just to prove why he is QQing every days about one/two shoot why he go on self with 1k pdef at varka ? xD
Quote from: nivael on January 14, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
Look this and say yea yea archers make low damge right ?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/889/hahahaachers.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/hahahaachers.png/)
ps: i just noticed piskal cry, removing old boost mean some1 get nerfed? :P
Quote from: Sali on January 15, 2010, 08:46:18 PM
ps: i just noticed piskal cry, removing old boost mean some1 get nerfed? :P
The funny part is ,he is blaming me for that too !!!
Quote from: Deavon on January 15, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
The funny part is ,he is blaming me for that too !!!
still it sounds hilarious, "nerft at pvp boost" xD
Quote from: seboulba on January 15, 2010, 10:25:02 AM
just to prove why he is QQing every days about one/two shoot why he go on self with 1k pdef at varka ? xD
Shhhhh................... QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQq :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
I had some duels vs my friend on retail with my un-subbed HE few days ago. We had buff from se/bd. My HE 77lvl 60% and his retail SH 75.
I had tateo set and he had tallum robe and nm shield. both got powi, dances were: siren, con, mystic, fire, warrior, furry. (did not put resist wind). I had p.atk pot, gsap and was on snipe for better p.atk. + other HE skills (+vicious stance) monk emp3 and monk3 for tattoos (not sure what tattoos he had). My friend had pots for cast and m.atk.
Now my weapon was draco bow+3+f and he had spiritual eye+acu+3.
I was getting hit for ~800dmg all the time and ~900+ on surrender, I think I got max of 3.5k m.crit.
I was hitting for 200-300 normal hits and crits 1k-1.2k.
Ofc he was making around 2 hits in time I was making 1. Sometimes I was making only 1 damage point because of the shield (yep happened 2x when I made critical hit for 1 point, not 1k, 1dmg point lol ).
In other words S grade archer vs A grade mage wins just... few times I won with 200hp left (out of 3.5cp and ~6k hp). Stun doesn't land and I can only pray he gets lag :D
Mages in S grade, dyna sets? I don't even wanna know how much I would get hit for :P
if u think u can stay face to face vs mages and daggers, bro u are wrong. IMO u have to kite and use ur range to beat him ;)
Quote from: Merm on February 08, 2010, 05:48:35 PM
I had some duels vs my friend on retail with my un-subbed HE few days ago. We had buff from se/bd. My HE 77lvl 60% and his retail SH 75.
I had tateo set and he had tallum robe and nm shield. both got powi, dances were: siren, con, mystic, fire, warrior, furry. (did not put resist wind). I had p.atk pot, gsap and was on snipe for better p.atk. + other HE skills (+vicious stance) monk emp3 and monk3 for tattoos (not sure what tattoos he had). My friend had pots for cast and m.atk.
Now my weapon was draco bow+3+f and he had spiritual eye+acu+3.
I was getting hit for ~800dmg all the time and ~900+ on surrender, I think I got max of 3.5k m.crit.
I was hitting for 200-300 normal hits and crits 1k-1.2k.
Ofc he was making around 2 hits in time I was making 1. Sometimes I was making only 1 damage point because of the shield (yep happened 2x when I made critical hit for 1 point, not 1k, 1dmg point lol ).
In other words S grade archer vs A grade mage wins just... few times I won with 200hp left (out of 3.5cp and ~6k hp). Stun doesn't land and I can only pray he gets lag :D
Mages in S grade, dyna sets? I don't even wanna know how much I would get hit for :P
U lack of buffs against it, while the mage was almost full buffed for M. Attack and M. Critical Rate u didnt had buffs against him.
Try with Song of Warding and Magic Barrier (if u dont have Improved Magic on ur BD/SE) and u will see low damage from the mage.
Quote from: Merm on February 08, 2010, 05:48:35 PM
I had some duels vs my friend on retail with my un-subbed HE few days ago. We had buff from se/bd. My HE 77lvl 60% and his retail SH 75.
I had tateo set and he had tallum robe and nm shield. both got powi, dances were: siren, con, mystic, fire, warrior, furry. (did not put resist wind). I had p.atk pot, gsap and was on snipe for better p.atk. + other HE skills (+vicious stance) monk emp3 and monk3 for tattoos (not sure what tattoos he had). My friend had pots for cast and m.atk.
Now my weapon was draco bow+3+f and he had spiritual eye+acu+3.
I was getting hit for ~800dmg all the time and ~900+ on surrender, I think I got max of 3.5k m.crit.
I was hitting for 200-300 normal hits and crits 1k-1.2k.
Ofc he was making around 2 hits in time I was making 1. Sometimes I was making only 1 damage point because of the shield (yep happened 2x when I made critical hit for 1 point, not 1k, 1dmg point lol ).
In other words S grade archer vs A grade mage wins just... few times I won with 200hp left (out of 3.5cp and ~6k hp). Stun doesn't land and I can only pray he gets lag :D
Mages in S grade, dyna sets? I don't even wanna know how much I would get hit for :P
On low gear mage always win vs archer, archers needs ALOT to hit really hard.
Quote from: Merm on February 08, 2010, 05:48:35 PM
I had some duels vs my friend on retail with my un-subbed HE few days ago. We had buff from se/bd. My HE 77lvl 60% and his retail SH 75.
I had tateo set and he had tallum robe and nm shield. both got powi, dances were: siren, con, mystic, fire, warrior, furry. (did not put resist wind). I had p.atk pot, gsap and was on snipe for better p.atk. + other HE skills (+vicious stance) monk emp3 and monk3 for tattoos (not sure what tattoos he had). My friend had pots for cast and m.atk.
Now my weapon was draco bow+3+f and he had spiritual eye+acu+3.
I was getting hit for ~800dmg all the time and ~900+ on surrender, I think I got max of 3.5k m.crit.
I was hitting for 200-300 normal hits and crits 1k-1.2k.
Ofc he was making around 2 hits in time I was making 1. Sometimes I was making only 1 damage point because of the shield (yep happened 2x when I made critical hit for 1 point, not 1k, 1dmg point lol ).
In other words S grade archer vs A grade mage wins just... few times I won with 200hp left (out of 3.5cp and ~6k hp). Stun doesn't land and I can only pray he gets lag :D
Mages in S grade, dyna sets? I don't even wanna know how much I would get hit for :P
the mistake everyone makes is to stay in 1 place. and thats the major fail in the recent nerfs. archer who is on 1 place is surely a dead archer...so the fact that u got pwnt, is your mistake, not low dmg output.
se/bd had iMagic, so I had m.def buff. Running around only made it worst, while I was running around I was getting hit as well so didnt go well too much lol snipe gave me some more patk and crit rate.
I never said I was getting powned all time time :) I got few wins where I didnt loose a single CP point (stun and double shot crit).
Im not crying here about anything, it was cool duels and I had fun. Buffs were equalised for both of us imo, so I just think that with 2x more hp,cp amd 2 lvls between us there should be a higher chance for archer to win.. my equip is not top, most people run around in that on Infinity, but it definitely cost more that A grade set, so after all it makes me think that mages do a little more than they should :P
thanks god i stopped playing, i would cry if that happened to my lovely archer... 1.5k Critical? are u fellas kidding... archers are made to kill in a few shots ( im tlking about mages not tanks or orcs ofc ) wether some like it or not
i get max 4-5k critical hit from archer, but not every archer ... i get from Klasa, DrMoufas, DrLove, And DrMarios, they hit hard, fast and painfull
but these archers have .. bows... i don't wanna say more with how much they are enchanted
i like to play mage now, i feel the power in pvp, but the server is unbalanced in my opinion
extend the buff bar..this might help in balancing in front of mages
Quote from: AmunZen on February 10, 2010, 01:01:13 PM
thanks god i stopped playing, i would cry if that happened to my lovely archer... 1.5k Critical? are u fellas kidding... archers are made to kill in a few shots ( im tlking about mages not tanks or orcs ofc ) wether some like it or not
noob die from 1 shoot, properly buffed ppl are not so easy to kill, so after all not much changed :P
Quote from: Merm on February 08, 2010, 07:54:04 PM
se/bd had iMagic, so I had m.def buff. Running around only made it worst, while I was running around I was getting hit as well so didnt go well too much lol snipe gave me some more patk and crit rate.
I never said I was getting powned all time time :) I got few wins where I didnt loose a single CP point (stun and double shot crit).
Im not crying here about anything, it was cool duels and I had fun. Buffs were equalised for both of us imo, so I just think that with 2x more hp,cp amd 2 lvls between us there should be a higher chance for archer to win.. my equip is not top, most people run around in that on Infinity, but it definitely cost more that A grade set, so after all it makes me think that mages do a little more than they should :P
typical F1 archer... nothing more to add :D
Quote from: Sali on February 10, 2010, 02:13:23 PM
typical F1 archer... nothing more to add :D
if u ever kill some1.. it's only because u can carry many CP pots QQ
Quote from: cthon on February 10, 2010, 04:16:08 PM
if u ever kill some1.. it's only because u can carry many CP pots QQ
oh right, totaly forgot about it, and ofc bcos we are runners...