But main ones - bots are open and nearly free-to-use as on x15 server? Promoting cheating as on x15 server? It was long ago said you can't donate for OE weapons on x15 server anymore, but still some "special" guys could buy them, will that crap happen here too?
No, not flaming, just wondering about very few of those things which made me quit x15 server.
Quote from: Alex on March 09, 2010, 09:58:48 PM
But main ones - bots are open and nearly free-to-use as on x15 server? Promoting cheating as on x15 server? It was long ago said you can't donate for OE weapons on x15 server anymore, but still some "special" guys could buy them, will that crap happen here too?
No, not flaming, just wondering about very few of those things which made me quit x15 server.
We will keep l2w and other "bad" programs only really low low low level (we cant guarantee 100% like none server can) but lets say it will be on 90% clean (we have some system how to check most of them)
Cheating will be baned instant (scaming and so on....)
You wont be able to donate for anything except coins (not even normal clean weapons or anything, so NO OE/OP items ever on this server), and no no special guys, gameplay > donations and thats how server will be runned.
Quote from: Torn on March 09, 2010, 10:03:02 PM
We will keep l2w and other "bad" programs only really low low low level (we cant guarantee 100% like none server can) but lets say it will be on 90% clean (we have some system how to check most of them)
Cheating will be baned instant (scaming and so on....)
You wont be able to donate for anything except coins (not even normal clean weapons or anything, so NO OE/OP items ever on this server), and no no special guys, gameplay > donations and thats how server will be runed.
runed = ruined or runned? 8)
I know the great history of dragon server and it's weapons but I can assure you that this will never happen, we believe in working for a goal and achieving it from hard work, this is why we are going to introduce a system whereby any player who work hard can get top gear in game and no not by donating. We will reveal more on this system at a later date as we are still going through test phrase.
As for spam bots, we can only be actively in game and take them out manually.
Quote from: Descent on March 09, 2010, 10:08:25 PM
I know the great history of dragon server and it's weapons but I can assure you that this will never happen, we believe in working for a goal and achieving it from hard work, this is why we are going to introduce a system whereby any player who work hard can get top gear in game and no not by donating. We will reveal more on this system at a later date as we are still going through test phrase.
As for spam bots, we can only be actively in game and take them out manually.
Is your idendity secret? Or can you give us an introduction?
Quote from: Torn on March 09, 2010, 10:03:02 PM
You wont be able to donate for anything except coins (not even normal clean weapons or anything, so NO OE/OP items ever on this server), and no no special guys, gameplay > donations and thats how server will be runned.
so you will be able to donate? for coins which you will be able to exchange for items - like at donny?
Quote from: Tepak on March 09, 2010, 10:17:59 PM
so you will be able to donate? for coins which you will be able to exchange for items - like at donny?
Yes
And all this looks soooo nice. Just one thing. Why don't you try it with non-stack sub-class system?
Quote from: TheLox on March 09, 2010, 10:22:55 PM
And all this looks soooo nice. Just one thing. Why don't you try it with non-stack sub-class system?
/agree..would be nice to try it w/o subs
Quote from: shavour on March 09, 2010, 10:17:13 PM
Is your idendity secret? Or can you give us an introduction?
My idendity is no secret by all means but my job here at the moment is to prompt the new server and answer any questions related to it. I guess your question is related to how I know dragon's history? well I've been coding with drake for a few years so I've seen how dragon has progressed through this time.
I will fully introduce myself when the server is to set live but as I mentioned for now I hope to focus on prompting the server.
Quote from: TheLox on March 09, 2010, 10:22:55 PM
And all this looks soooo nice. Just one thing. Why don't you try it with non-stack sub-class system?
We have actually thought of this but decided removing the almighty dn set should bring some points back into the game again.
Quote from: Descent on March 09, 2010, 10:44:26 PM
We have actually thought of this but decided removing the almighty dn set should bring some points back into the game again.
So there won't be any custom made Dynasty sets? Does this also mean there won't be any custom made Dynasty/Icarus weapons, mainly the 'lol-gatling-gun' Icarus bows which ruined the entire purpose of archer classes and the custom bonusses on maces?
Quote from: Furesy on March 09, 2010, 10:53:15 PM
So there won't be any custom made Dynasty sets? Does this also mean there won't be any custom made Dynasty/Icarus weapons, mainly the 'lol-gatling-gun' Icarus bows which ruined the entire purpose of archer classes and the custom bonusses on maces?
no more lame dinasties would mean paradise...imperial crusader for da win :D
Well, see ya there, that's all I wanna say :D
An important question....
will be mutants allowed ?if yes with wich restrinctions? ( wondering 'bout walking dwarven lvl 85 mumble... )
Quote from: Furesy on March 09, 2010, 10:53:15 PM
So there won't be any custom made Dynasty sets? Does this also mean there won't be any custom made Dynasty/Icarus weapons, mainly the 'lol-gatling-gun' Icarus bows which ruined the entire purpose of archer classes and the custom bonusses on maces?
Aboslutly NO custom DNET sets nor stats of icaurs/dynasty weapons , weapons will have stats same as on official server.
Quote from: Torn on March 09, 2010, 11:04:51 PM
Aboslutly NO custom DNET sets nor stats of icaurs/dynasty weapons , weapons will have stats same as on official server.
Aha, so there's hope for your server ^^
Wish you good luck.
What about nerfing chars? It will exist there like on the rest DN servers?
If there will be same hard rules against exploits/L2W as in example on Nightmare server it could become a great server for new players. Perhaps almost like DN was in c1-c3 when people hardly knew anything about l2w or cheats.
But of course that will scare many of players who got used to get everything through l2w, but I barely know any skilled players among those who use l2w, besides those using l2w like surely will never donate so you lose nothing except few number of players if you apply hard rules on exploits/l2w.
Quote from: ChujoZord on March 09, 2010, 11:19:42 PM
What about nerfing chars? It will exist there like on the rest DN servers?
Chujo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
=3
I miss the great banda bajacka T_T
Exc1dium ForEv3r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
loader will be same for all servers? Or will Valkyria has own patch?
And, most important :P, when will be up?
- Quite hard rules on l2w and any other 3rd party program will be apllyed.
- Yes Loader will be normally same same as patch
- About "nerfing chars" i can only asure you we will blance game as much as it is in our power (u must understand some mistakes are written in roots by NCsoft)
- And about when it will be up, well , we have fix/update agenda planed and i dont like to give any direct eta yet , but i can say it will be end of march - start of april , in next week(s) we will hit you with more info including ETA.
What about mutants, will they be allowed?
This sounds great , Cyu on server
good luck
Quote from: Torn on March 09, 2010, 11:48:15 PM
- About "nerfing chars" i can only asure you we will blance game as much as it is in our power (u must understand some mistakes are written in roots by NCsoft)
i think u misunderstood, question is, if nerfs made at other servers will affect Valkyrie also, as an example i give last tank update, not needed and not wanted and NM but applied anyway.
Quote from: Sali on March 10, 2010, 01:02:19 AM
i think u misunderstood, question is, if nerfs made at other servers will affect Valkyrie also, as an example i give last tank update, not needed and not wanted and NM but applied anyway.
It all depends of a "update nerf" if we have real obvious reason to apply it yes why not, if we see it false we wont take it.Well in generally all major updates that DN makes (security,chornicle,etc..updates) we will have too, but small ones , called boost-nerf-balance updates (that are most interesting for players) those updates we will decide what to apply and what not. And of course community will be listened , but then again community cant always decide about some things.
Interesting. I would move here, but after all this time spent on L2, tbh I am to lazy to start all over.
So my question is, what exactly is the help for new players?
Anywayz gl.
Quote from: DrAkhoo on March 10, 2010, 01:07:29 AM
Interesting. I would move here, but after all this time spent on L2, tbh I am to lazy to start all over.
So my question is, what exactly is the help for new players?
Anywayz gl.
hummm and i heard u subed ur char few months ago, ill tell u smthing, its not normal :)
Quote from: Torn on March 10, 2010, 01:05:56 AM
It all depends of a "update nerf" if we have real obvious reason to apply it yes why not, if we see it false we wont take it.Well in generally all major updates that DN makes (security,chornicle,etc..updates) we will have too, but small ones , called boost-nerf-balance updates (that are most interesting for players) those updates we will decide what to apply and what not. And of course community will be listened , but then again community cant always decide about some things.
cool, thx for answer
Quote from: DrAkhoo on March 10, 2010, 01:07:29 AM
Interesting. I would move here, but after all this time spent on L2, tbh I am to lazy to start all over.
So my question is, what exactly is the help for new players?
Anywayz gl.
Well we are planing to make something you will see but belive me its a huge help and head start for , i cant say new players since when we open everybody are new players right ;) , however it will be a secret but it will happen, thats all for now about that subject.
Thank you.
Quote from: Sali on March 10, 2010, 01:19:35 AM
hummm and i heard u subed ur char few months ago, ill tell u smthing, its not normal :)cool, thx for answer
Sali, whoever you are, I don't know/remember you, you should STFU, this is not a topic about me, and if you are another brainless hater of mine that chases me everywhere on forum, you are welcomed to get a 1 vs 1 with me IG. Choose date and time.
Quote from: Torn on March 10, 2010, 01:19:44 AM
Well we are planing to make something you will see but belive me its a huge help and head start for , i cant say new players since when we open everybody are new players right ;) , however it will be a secret but it will happen, thats all for now about that subject.
Thank you.
Oke :) I will wait for news.
Thanks
u will start with same updates like on DN? i mean Icarus bow with "normal att.spd", UD and other's?/
Quote from: 6bIK on March 10, 2010, 02:49:22 AM
u will start with same updates like on DN? i mean Icarus bow with "normal att.spd", UD and other's?/
Quote from: Torn on March 09, 2010, 11:04:51 PM
Aboslutly NO custom DNET sets nor stats of icaurs/dynasty weapons , weapons will have stats same as on official server.
Reading is good ability, give it a chance.
Quote from: Ashlynn on March 10, 2010, 02:52:54 AM
Reading is good, give it a chance.
true reading is good, i didn't ask only about ica bow, i ask about last updates too ;]
Quote from: 6bIK on March 10, 2010, 02:54:20 AM
true reading is good, i didn't ask only about ica bow, i ask about last updates too ;]
Quote from: Sali on March 10, 2010, 01:02:19 AM
i think u misunderstood, question is, if nerfs made at other servers will affect Valkyrie also, as an example i give last tank update, not needed and not wanted and NM but applied anyway.
Quote from: Torn on March 10, 2010, 01:05:56 AM
It all depends of a "update nerf" if we have real obvious reason to apply it yes why not, if we see it false we wont take it.Well in generally all major updates that DN makes (security,chornicle,etc..updates) we will have too, but small ones , called boost-nerf-balance updates (that are most interesting for players) those updates we will decide what to apply and what not. And of course community will be listened , but then again community cant always decide about some things.
Again, it was asked and answered :D
So a new server on DN... Took you some time.... Yet that thing looks good.
It will prove one thing, if L2 still has some focus or not. I may give it a try until Tera goes up. And that I told Ill never touch L2 again, but DN is a heart thing, cant get it out of mind easily when there is such a chance.
interesting :D
No questions ... Wish you good luck !
Sounds tempting, will there be a player max ?
btw lock "Announcements" section so nobody can make new topics there xD
Mm i like those ideas, i like those gm-s so probably will be there too :D
Are you going to make 60% S-grade recipes spoilable, like it was in C4?
anyway think about making it beta testing -c4....i bet you'll get thousand more ppl
Quote from: Dhart on March 10, 2010, 12:18:46 PM
anyway think about making it beta testing -c4....i bet you'll get thousand more ppl
Ahaha, yea if it's C4 I'd definitely play here !
Draconic Set and Draconic Bows ftw :D
Quote from: Furesy on March 10, 2010, 12:34:16 PM
Ahaha, yea if it's C4 I'd definitely play here !
Draconic Set and Draconic Bows ftw :D
seen ?
I guess I'd join too after months of absence
Quote from: Dhart on March 10, 2010, 12:18:46 PM
anyway think about making it beta testing -c4....i bet you'll get thousand more ppl
up
Yeah, good old C4 times i miss those fun times :D
Anyway, Can some one explain me what Admin's of Valkyria mean with:
"- Coins system - this is a unique system we have where every npc in the world map will drop different grade of coins depending on it's level in exchange for different graded gears/potions"
Thanks.
Quote from: Junkie on March 10, 2010, 02:33:24 PM
Yeah, good old C4 times i miss those fun times :D
Anyway, Can some one explain me what Admin's of Valkyria mean with:
"- Coins system - this is a unique system we have where every npc in the world map will drop different grade of coins depending on it's level in exchange for different graded gears/potions"
Thanks.
for coins u`ll get ghey pink phoney that buffs u kiss of eva happy? ;P
p.s not
I guess a kind of an anti - inflation protection. Those coins will be much stronger currency in the economy.
First of all welcome to DNetwork
Seems to me that one of you (or both?) is a coder.
so my question is this: If you fix something that Drake haven't fixed so far (lets say Fortress sieges or attribute sytem) will you share it with Drake(and rest of the servers) or you'll keep it just for Valkyria?(and the other way around ofc)
gl on your new project ;)
Quote from: illuminati on March 10, 2010, 08:13:15 PM
First of all welcome to DNetwork
Seems to me that one of you (or both?) is a coder.
so my question is this: If you fix something that Drake haven't fixed so far (lets say Fortress sieges or attribute sytem) will you share it with Drake(and rest of the servers) or you'll keep it just for Valkyria?(and the other way around ofc)
gl on your new project ;)
They said they r coding on dn together with drake for years.The real question is,if they helped to create this failbound and couldnt do it better together with drake,than why r u all expecting some coding miracles from them now?If they couldnt do anything usefull to improve the network all those years,why this server would be different?
Sry for being blunt,im just a realist
Quote from: IvolveR on March 10, 2010, 08:47:23 PM
They said they r coding on dn together with drake for years.The real question is,if they helped to create this failbound and couldnt do it better together with drake,than why r u all expecting some coding miracles from them now?If they couldnt do anything usefull to improve the network all those years,why this server would be different?
Sry for being blunt,im just a realist
C4 GOD DAMN IT ! PUT THE FUKIN OLD LAME CHRONICLE
DOT.
Quote from: Dhart on March 10, 2010, 08:54:09 PM
C4 GOD DAMN IT ! PUT THE FUKIN OLD LAME CHRONICLE
DOT.
Well I wish all luck to Descent and Torn in creating a good and stable server.
See ya guys there ;D I'll give it a try after long pause time on x15,need some action like in old days (c3-c4).Hope ya guys (Descent & Torn) make a decent server!Fk coruption Fk lolipops ;D Fairplay FTW!
Quote from: reddragonjr on March 10, 2010, 11:30:04 PM
Well I wish all luck to Descent and Torn in creating a good and stable server.
See ya guys there ;D I'll give it a try after long pause time on x15,need some action like in old days (c3-c4).Hope ya guys (Descent & Torn) make a decent server!Fk coruption Fk lolipops ;D Fairplay FTW!
Thank you dude, yes we will do everything to improve gameplay and fun to all players of Valkyrie even on daily basis.
About corruption and lolipops, dont worry, it will never happen!!!
Quote from: Torn on March 11, 2010, 12:13:38 AM
About corruption and lolipops, dont worry, it will never happen!!!
So if someone will be terribly lucky and make +16 (or more) weapon you'll delete it? :D
Quote from: Ashlynn on March 11, 2010, 12:21:43 AM
So if someone will be terribly lucky and make +16 (or more) weapon you'll delete it? :D
btw enchante rate, same like on DN, impossible make +4 or donate a lot of bewx??
Augmentations, atributes, icarus, dynasty, sof, foi, and alot of different stuff SUCKS!! ::)
If it would be c4, i would even try playing l2 from time to time again.
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on March 11, 2010, 01:04:31 AM
Augmentations, atributes, icarus, dynasty, sof, foi, and alot of different stuff SUCKS!! ::)
If it would be c4, i would even try playing l2 from time to time again.
or retail , for more fun
Quote from: Diabolical on March 11, 2010, 01:35:21 AM
or retail , for more fun
u can find 200 better retail server than this one ;)
arion for example
so at least make this sh1t unique in some way (dnet sub :))
c4 would defenatly be the best... :) btw on frintezza... dwarf where able to sub any other class (with ncsoft restriction) i think that should be the only mutants since dwarfs arent so great... and could help economy if more people played them
Quote from: GekKey on March 11, 2010, 08:21:25 AM
c4 would defenatly be the best... :) btw on frintezza... dwarf where able to sub any other class (with ncsoft restriction) i think that should be the only mutants since dwarfs arent so great... and could help economy if more people played them
+1 for the c4 ;P
Quote from: 69 on March 11, 2010, 09:43:45 AM
+1 for the c4 ;P
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I introduced it xD SO +1 MEH !MEEEEEEEEEH xd
WTB info about mutants ;s
Quote from: BanThemAll on March 11, 2010, 03:29:34 AM
u can find 200 better retail server than this one ;)
arion for example
so at least make this sh1t unique in some way (dnet sub :))
Arion is NOT c4.
There are already 4 servers unique (dnet sub :().
lets hope your that guy who stole the idragon3d database from waaaay back =)
Quote from: Torn on March 11, 2010, 12:13:38 AM
About corruption and lolipops, dont worry, it will never happen!!!
... I'm not drunk right now :D
Cmon ! Lets make one C4 server !!!!!
This server have subs dn??
I dont understand why you guys complain so much ???......btw Descent, Thor, really GREAT job, by your english skills I can tell you guys will do a good job, really, my thumbs up to you, I am looking forward to play on this server.
Now about OP weapons, OFC some players will have them, maybe I will donate 600 euros and exchange them for BEWS and make my own OP weapon, but it doesnt matter, because w/o any DN set, almoust every good dagger or mage can kick my ass, just the way it used to be on DN along time ago. For example I was a NE/PP with am+a+6, and I killed quite alot archers with db+f+14 etc.
The problem on DN was that DN sets KILLED the economy, and the other one was that stupid bow, drake made its atack speed NORMAL.....so do the math ofc an archer with full buff, boss jewels, DN set and a bow with NORMAL atack speed, did soooo much dmg.
If you can gain anything by farming the same way you can by donating, then there should not be a problem, ofc some players will kick our asses, ofc some rich kids will donate a shit load of money, but you will have players just like you, it wont matter that a couple of guys are pshicos and dedicate their entire lifes to this game.
You will see.......mats and low gears will MATTER again in this game, unlike it happed on DN, where everybody rushed to get DN sets and DN weapons. Cya all when the server starts.
P.S. GM's please dont make thats bows atack speed NORMAL, pls ;D
for the million times , its not the attack speed of the bow that needs to be fixed , its the reuse of arrow ( TEH RED BAR EVERYTIME U GRAB AN ARROW ) WHEN TEH FUK U WILL LEARN IT
Don't bother diabolic, for those "Pro" F1 spamming archers, this red bar IS attack speed ...
So there will be no donateable op shits.
but what about the icarus bow? Will it have "off like" slow atk speed, or it will have the bugged normal atk speed as on the other servers?
Quote from: disc on April 15, 2010, 11:23:13 PM
So there will be no donateable op shits.
but what about the icarus bow? Will it have "off like" slow atk speed, or it will have the bugged normal atk speed as on the other servers?
u r unbelievable , we just explained 2 posts before u that its not matter of attack speed but yet u got to be a moron and repeat the same thing , retarded blind fuk
Quote from: Ungolianth on April 16, 2010, 06:05:08 AM
camel u must be thirsty from repaiting it again and again ...take a sit have a drink )
at least invite me for one >.>
I dont know why you guys keep flamming, I was just making a point, drake did something to that bow, I dont care if its reuse delay or attack speed, that bow has an advantage......that was the thing I was pointing out, that drake interfered toooo much with the game play.
You didnt count as an archer if you didnt had icarus bow+dn set+qa+baium, and you didnt matter as a mage w/o valakas +dn set
Anyway it doesnt matter now, I think removing DN sets will take care of 80% of the problems, will just have to wait and see.
Cya, and chillax :P
Quote from: peroxide on April 16, 2010, 10:43:54 AM
I think removing DN sets will take care of 80% of the problems
I'll drink to that. +1 .
Quote from: Diabolical on April 16, 2010, 12:05:26 AM
u r unbelievable , we just explained 2 posts before u that its not matter of attack speed but yet u got to be a moron and repeat the same thing , retarded blind fuk
:D lol what a bullshit... attack speed is NORMAL, so it have HIGHER attack speed, that's 100%, especially when with the same char same equipment, same buffs, you CAN'T reach such high attack speed with any other bows as with bugged icarus.
The higher full attack speed at at char info page is a FACT, and it is ALWAYS higher with icarus than with other bows.
or explain my, WHY a he/pp have 1980 atk speed with icarus bow, and why have just 1552 with dynasty bow? (not just 2 chars with same buffs, and same settings, but tested with SAME CHAR swapping the two weapons)
Quote from: disc on April 16, 2010, 05:16:02 PM
:D lol what a bullshit... attack speed is NORMAL, so it have HIGHER attack speed, that's 100%, especially when with the same char same equipment, same buffs, you CAN'T reach such high attack speed with any other bows as with bugged icarus.
The higher full attack speed at at char info page is a FACT, and it is ALWAYS higher with icarus than with other bows.
or explain my, WHY a he/pp have 1980 atk speed with icarus bow, and why have just 1552 with dynasty bow? (not just 2 chars with same buffs, and same settings, but tested with SAME CHAR swapping the two weapons)
You're a major idiot.
You really think that the change from SLOW to NORMAL attack speed on the Icarus bow changes that much? It doesn't, it's a minor change of around 40 to 100 atk speed. You can make Icarus bow VERY SLOW for all I care, it will still shoot arrows faster then any other bow on DN.
That's because the atk speed of Icarus bow doesn't change a freaking thing, except for a little faster skill usage and arrow firing. But it's minor.
Thing that makes Icarus bow shoot so fast, as others already explained is caused by the arrow re-use delay which is set for the bow. Drac. has an arrow re-use delay of around 1400, while Icarus has one around 500. Making Icarus shoot 3 times as fast as other bows. (it's the red line when launching arrows)
Yea. Icarus has a little faster attack speed than other bows in status, but is that the problem? No, so end conclusion. You're an idiot.
Quote from: Furesy on April 16, 2010, 05:40:11 PMYou really think that the change from SLOW to NORMAL attack speed on the Icarus bow changes that much? I
YES i think, because you know the buffs giving percentages to atk speed, NOT FIXED numbers! So a little difference can be higher if a lot of percentages have been added to it mr smartass :D
"it's a minor change of around 40 to 100 atk speed"
and with 40% plus atk speed is 400 in fullbuff. Try to think....
It is possible to have quicker recovery too, but who said it isn't? (and yes i know "that" red line).
BUT the attack speed is much higher with it in fullbuff, even if a freakhead idiot like you saying the opposite, it is not a subjective number like the quick recovery, it is written in the char page. GTFO and get a life instead of shitting your bullshits in every topic of every server from 5x-to 30x, you brainless troll :)
Quote from: disc on April 16, 2010, 06:06:47 PM
YES i think, because you know the buffs giving percentages to atk speed, NOT FIXED numbers! So a little difference can be higher if a lot of percentages have been added to it mr smartass :D
"it's a minor change of around 40 to 100 atk speed"
and with 40% plus atk speed is 400 in fullbuff. Try to think....
It is possible to have quicker recovery too, but who said it isn't? (and yes i know "that" red line).
BUT the attack speed is much higher with it in fullbuff, even if a freakhead idiot like you saying the opposite, it is not a subjective number like the quick recovery, it is written in the char page. GTFO and get a life instead of shitting your bullshits in every topic of every server from 5x-to 30x, you brainless troll :)
We already tested how it works, changing the atk speed hardly changes anything to the speed of arrow launch. While changing arrow re-use delay changed enough.
Attack speed never mattered much for archers, arrow re-use delay is changeable with QR SA's only, it's main reason why these SA's were so popular in previous chronicles.
Oh and really, you're a joke, trying to tell me how percentages work? lmao
Shut the freak up idiot, Icarus is freaked up due to Arrow re-use Delay altered, not due to having normal attack speed.