9x or 20x
what ur choice?
nab
As some of you might have seen at the select server screen, there is an extra Arena server, yes it is Valkryia server just not renamed yet, but we were hit with server stability issues. After looking in depth of the processes we’ve concluded that the server files don’t support Intel i7 cores.
So now we are waiting for the data centre to get this processor changed as a matter of urgency. Once this has been carried out, Torn and I will put in double the time we planned to tidy the rest of the server so it will be ready for public launch sooner rather than later.
We do apologies for this delay.
Also another thing we have decided is that the server’s rate will be x9 instead of x20. Drops and spoils are x5 and quests rewards are x9. The change of rate was required for the farming coin rewards we have implemented, with x20 rates, you would out level the grade you’re faming for before you acquire enough to actually exchange anything.
We will keep you up to date more regularly and thanks for your patience.
"Great ! This is what I needed", I'm starting to work from tomorrow and my plan is to start Paladin.
Anyway 9x its not so bad, but I hope that the ppl I have called will come to join me and most important to exp me, or you will see this anytime I log:
Mental:WTB EXP, pm me
Quote from: Suxel2k on April 08, 2010, 01:32:46 AM
wtf?
now gm's change rates
9x its to low and when this server up? ???
bb valkyria , hello dn x15 again ;D
Quote from: Nikolaidys on April 08, 2010, 03:37:31 AM
bb valkyria , hello dn x15 again ;D
ye ye
bb valkyrie hello lineage2 russian official
Quote from: Suxel2k on April 08, 2010, 04:38:52 AM
ye ye
bb valkyrie hello lineage2 russian official
+1 ;D
PS: 9x SUX
yea x9 sux :D
x9 its to low, come back x20 ! >:( ;D
hello 15x again :D
9x is not low...Its better than 20x !
Quote from: Ad1s on April 08, 2010, 07:56:19 AM
9x is not low...Its better than 20x !
You are wrong.
9x ?
No, thanks.
:( :( :( :( :( :(
x9 is >:(
Was waiting the server open. Now I dont care if it opens or not.
Think it over if you really want players in server.
Quote from: Popeyo on April 08, 2010, 08:02:22 AM
Was waiting the server open. Now I dont care if it opens or not.
+1
x9 bb and gl
well x9 my friends meens that players go back from where they come...what so hard to understand that players like this game not just for make exp and boses..like this game for PVP so x9 rates is too low to make time for this not mancion then when you will be 80++ 1% exp meens a lot to loose it.Well good luck with server but you freaked up from begining
if you already start to change this is obvious here will be same story like on Mxc ther server started with 1600 players and in 1 month i think remain 500 bcz gm always made changes and not let server like he said will be,lets hope here will not be same story ,9x ,20 x 1 x i dont care but just dont make no more changes
Admin were off and I think it's Prima Aprilis joke xD
Yea gl with valkyria. :( I go exp my 78 adv on teon xD
yea, I will not start here if it will be x9 ;)
Quote from: Suxel2k on April 08, 2010, 01:32:46 AM
wtf?
now gm's change rates
9x its to low and when this server up? ???
i would change ur brain because u are stupid noob
Aaaah, wouldn't have been DN if it went any other way now!
Saying something, eventually changing it all of a sudden, community knows of nothing, but eh, promises... promises... :D
Quote from: Kailenaa on April 08, 2010, 08:05:48 AM
GM's, with this annocoument u lost about 1/3 of ppl waiting for Valkyria. GL Anyway
i think that they lost more that 1/3 ^^
Hahahaha
I love it... I just have to love Dragon Network XD
change rates if u want to gain.time to low rates is dead
Uh uh uh uh uh and uh, didnt expect such a reaction, because of many reasons. 1st of all we made many good things for players profit that having it on x20 rate makes no sense (you will be aware of this in next few days). 2nd i think you are all scared about number 9 before you even tryed to level (Do you think dragon is really x15 exp or Nightmare is really x30 exp?) comon guys, on lets say Nightmare x30 you need how much to reach sub level 3-4-5 days ( ? ) , so with this rate you will be able to get sub level in 7-8 days (10 tops) and to be really honest it aint big deal if you really wanna play, if you just wanna be a player who logs once in a week for siege or to search pvp then of course you should find higher rate server. In the end just think about server on long term, if we make x20 (we already have x15 and x30) we wouldnt make any new difference of others + i just wanna remind you that if we apply x20 rate how long we will exist as server , people will get bored quite fast. Again i would like to remind you that x9 rate is not much diff. from other rates of other servers under DN, you dont belive me ( ? ) , really come and give it a try you will understand that.
Also i will hint you with something else of many news things you will face on opening, on Valkyra, now when you sub you dont loose anymore exp or have to make 3rd class again so have no worries about that and exping again all over. I saw some replys about quest rates etc... it will be exactly the same as on other servers, so dont fear it will be slow or w/e, we want it higher rate so players actually do quests and not suffer too much. And in the end what we are doing here is good for server and its longer existing being, try to understand that , being so negative about something without even trying doesnt makes sense.
I will give you more news in short notice (we are waiting datacentar reply while im typing), take care guys.
p.s. I will remind you 1 more time we have already made new sub system compensate the lower rate by not dropping your lvl when u sub , therefor its same regarding exp rate, 2x exp on a big higher rate or 1 time on a bit lower rate. This is just 1 of things you will face on opening.
Quote from: Bav3 on April 08, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
mby not now, but they will coz ppl dont have so much time
and all of this coz gms are not able to remake coin system
wts lessons how to code ;D
You dont even know how system works so imo, you have no right to judge about something that you didnt even saw.
Quote from: kassi on April 08, 2010, 10:31:28 AM
change rates if u want to gain.time to low rates is dead
When we go live, try it and then say if we are low rates or not (i think if we wouldnt change it and announce it on forum and kept 20x but actually have 10x i think noone would ever notice, cause its not really big deal anyway)
Quote from: Furesy on April 08, 2010, 10:07:31 AM
Aaaah, wouldn't have been DN if it went any other way now!
Saying something, eventually changing it all of a sudden, community knows of nothing, but eh, promises... promises... :D
We kept our promises about everything, its not our fault cause hoster keeps delaying us, and we did changes in players profit not personal ones, try think it in that way.
Welcome every QQcryers!
U havent got idea of the new donate system, but they are making something coin = more xp rate/mybe other rates too, cus its very good to make profit for the server. It has used at BFDE and RPG-club too, and many ppl donated for xp 2-3x more higher, or spoil rate will be 2x more...
I m playing atm 4x. 20x would be kinda high rate ^^ instead of 9x what is nothing more.. cus spoil/drop rate like on very low rate. low chance low amount...
Between 1-20x different is just how fast do u earn lvl80 becouse after to lvl up so slow, every server mostly increase XP rate, and spoil/drop rates isnt, for keep "farming spirit"
I think server admins are thinking about this.
I will check the server but if not at least 2-2,5k player its just an other dead server.
Quote from: Bav3 on April 08, 2010, 10:52:03 AM
y u make on dragon or nm sub in 2-3-4 day if u have eq friends buffers etc
but dont forget that here we start from 0 and its kinda hard to exp make eq to reach sub lvl
at least we will need 1 month when some ppl will make sub, and most of ppl will leave coz they want sub stuck server (and they gona wait for sub 1 month)
u have to understand that ppl have a life, at least some
mby i dont know how this system work, but also i see u dont know how to code coz u cant change coin system so u have to change rate system gg
Obviously you never even saw l2 files, cause saying we cant chage rates on coin system is like saying you cant chage alloys from front weels to a rear ones, tweaking up coin system is 1 code line so your words doesnt makes sense, but if you are trying to be "pro in flaming" np, you suceeded. Re-read descent announce 3-4x or higher rate times 20-200x and you will hopefully understand a point of switching.Even with haveing a life (which we have aswell) our rate is quite fast to lvl, ive started many official games on x1 rate and managed to be almost top level in very short period of time.
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
Uh uh uh uh uh and uh, didnt expect such a reaction, because of many reasons. 1st of all we made many good things for players profit that having it on x20 rate makes no sense (you will be aware of this in next few days). 2nd i think you are all scared about number 9 before you even tryed to level (Do you think dragon is really x15 exp or Nightmare is really x30 exp?) comon guys, on lets say Nightmare x30 you need how much to reach sub level 3-4-5 days ( ? ) , so with this rate you will be able to get sub level in 7-8 days (10 tops) and to be really honest it aint big deal if you really wanna play, if you just wanna be a player who logs once in a week for siege or to search pvp then of course you should find higher rate server. In the end just think about server on long term, if we make x20 (we already have x15 and x30) we wouldnt make any new difference of others + i just wanna remind you that if we apply x20 rate how long we will exist as server , people will get bored quite fast. Again i would like to remind you that x9 rate is not much diff. from other rates of other servers under DN, you dont belive me ( ? ) , really come and give it a try you will understand that.
Also i will hint you with something else of many news things you will face on opening, on Valkyra, now when you sub you dont loose anymore exp or have to make 3rd class again so have no worries about that and exping again all over. I saw some replys about quest rates etc... it will be exactly the same as on other servers, so dont fear it will be slow or w/e, we want it higher rate so players actually do quests and not suffer too much. And in the end what we are doing here is good for server and its longer existing being, try to understand that , being so negative about something without even trying doesnt makes sense.
I will give you more news in short notice (we are waiting datacentar reply while im typing), take care guys.
p.s. I will remind you 1 more time we have already made new sub system compensate the lower rate by not dropping your lvl when u sub , therefor its same regarding exp rate, 2x exp on a big higher rate or 1 time on a bit lower rate. This is just 1 of things you will face on opening.
You dont even know how system works so imo, you have no right to judge about something that you didnt even saw.
When we go live, try it and then say if we are low rates or not (i think if we wouldnt change it and announce it on forum and kept 20x but actually have 10x i think noone would ever notice, cause its not really big deal anyway)We kept our promises about everything, its not our fault cause hoster keeps delaying us, and we did changes in players profit not personal ones, try think it in that way.
So if dragon and nightmar rates are not real so Valkyria's rate too
Will play on x5 ? :S
Quote from: Bav3 on April 08, 2010, 10:52:03 AM
y u make on dragon or nm sub in 2-3-4 day if u have eq friends buffers etc
but dont forget that here we start from 0 and its kinda hard to exp make eq to reach sub lvl
at least we will need 1 month when some ppl will make sub, and most of ppl will leave coz they want sub stuck server (and they gona wait for sub 1 month)
u have to understand that ppl have a life, at least some
mby i dont know how this system work, but also i see u dont know how to code coz u cant change coin system so u have to change rate system gg
never played here before, starting from zero w/o gear w/o buffers not hard just boring ^^, there is Top C and low B in shop , mages are fine lvl79 and change gear to A gr, fighters are fine 70+ than change to Agr, About sub-2 weeks/nobles, at 4x required 3 weeks for do it... if ppl have little organization and dominant clan. Yeah, its kinda month right.
Quote from: Sidou on April 08, 2010, 11:00:40 AM
So if dragon and nightmar rates are not real so Valkyria's rate too
Will play on x5 ? :S
My point was : if we didnt tell you about it proly none will notice it, bottom line difference aint big at all, thats what i have try to say, maybe i just said it in wrong way, but that was the point.
Quote from: Denzo on April 08, 2010, 11:02:09 AM
never played here before, starting from zero w/o gear w/o buffers not hard just boring ^^, there is Top C and low B in shop , mages are fine lvl79 and change gear to A gr, fighters are fine 70+ than change to Agr, About sub-2 weeks/nobles, at 4x required 3 weeks for do it... if ppl have little organization and dominant clan. Yeah, its kinda month right.
Finally we agree on something, exactly , brand new server on this rate aint slow, it just require a bit more effort then ususal and thats all, after that everything will go quite smooth. And good thing is that everyone are starting on same level and that in future there will be no "choosen ones", so instead of non-needed flames give us supprt cause this server is something really good thats about to happen, thanks folks.
Hey Torn,
Could you give a word more about new coin system? Would be great
Quote from: Kerth on April 08, 2010, 11:09:21 AM
Hey Torn,
Could you give a word more about new coin system? Would be great
Hey Kerth, i am affraid you have to hold few more days cause of leechers around, once we go live we will explaine everything. :-*
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 11:11:05 AM
Hey Kerth, i am affraid you have to hold few more days cause of leechers around, once we go live we will explaine everything. :-*
Too bad ^^ Anyway thanks for attention and answering
The diff isn`t really big and x9 is not really low... we won`t even feel it, everyone will start from the "zero"
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
In the end just think about server on long term, if we make x20 (we already have x15 and x30) we wouldnt make any new difference of others + i just wanna remind you that if we apply x20 rate how long we will exist as server , people will get bored quite fast. Again i would like to remind you that x9 rate is not much diff. from other rates of other servers under DN, you dont belive me ( ? ) , really come and give it a try you will understand that.
Whats so
different is in x9? x20 was between Dragon x15 and Nightmare x30, x9 is between Infinity x5 and Draon x15. So, you aren't making something special still imo.
As for me - i'm getting bored of exp much more then of high rates. I'm not that hardcore player to exp 24/7. Too much time now has to be spent on exp before u can actually get some fun.
And if you will manage your server good - ppl won't leave it any soon. Take Dragon x15 as example - its rate is pretty same as x20. GMs were shitting there for a long time, lots of crap happened there and many ppl are still playing.
I was actually going to try Valkyria myself, but now i'm kinda not sure. I'll probably stick to Nightmare x30, if u won't take too many of our players.
Quote from: 48Bit on April 08, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
Whats so different is in x9? x20 was between Dragon x15 and Nightmare x30, x9 is between Infinity x5 and Draon x15. So, you aren't making something special still imo.
As for me - i'm getting bored of exp much more then of high rates. I'm not that hardcore player to exp 24/7. Too much time now has to be spent on exp before u can actually get some fun.
And if you will manage your server good - ppl won't leave it any soon. Take Dragon x15 as example - its rate is pretty same as x20. GMs were shitting there for a long time, lots of crap happened there and many ppl are still playing.
I was actually going to try Valkyria myself, but now i'm kinda not sure. I'll probably stick to Nightmare x30, if u won't take too many of our players.
First thank you for positive words, we appriciate it a lot, after that i could say we have some things that players will like (but i cant say more untill we go live , cause of really important reaons) so to answer you that yull have to hold few more days. About other things you have mentioned, as we said a day 1 i will repeat it again, we wont mess with players as players wise, and no, no crap will happen on Valkyra you have our promise on that.
Regarding exp rate we will make many various exp events and many others so there will be some news regarding that too.
Thx for support.
Quote from: jubi on April 08, 2010, 11:14:36 AM
The diff isn`t really big and x9 is not really low... we won`t even feel it, everyone will start from the "zero"
Thank you dude, this is excatly what i was trying to say from the start, thanks again and cya on server ;)
you said we can have sub lvl at same lvl as main ex: i make lvl 76 sps and when i sub to ee is 76 right??that means 9x is almost 20x we lose some time at begining and we get back that time when we make sub ,so is still 20x imo,btw all c grades will be in shop?
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 11:21:38 AM
First thank you for positive words, we appriciate it a lot, after that i could say we have some things that players will like (but i cant say more untill we go live , cause of really important reaons) so to answer you that yull have to hold few more days. About other things you have mentioned, as we said a day 1 i will repeat it again, we wont mess with players as players wise, and no, no crap will happen on Valkyra you have our promise on that.
Regarding exp rate we will make many various exp events and many others so there will be some news regarding that too.
Thx for support.
I didn't say you'll have something same as on Dragon, just ment that players aren't gonna leave just of rate x20.
Well, if you'll make some newbie exp bonus or smth like that x9 will be pretty much ok i think.
Btw, "Connection Problems
Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later."
That shit kills me... After 4/5 of my actions on forum i'm getting that.
Quote from: Bav3 on April 08, 2010, 11:29:08 AM
no im just sick of this, all promises, and nothing happend
and when server will be up?
not before summoer i guess
coz we had to wait 1 month to get info that server wont be 20x
We didnt give u exact date we just said around what time, and you know before flame us again (oh noes :( ) try understand something, we had a lot of checking / re-fixing/testing/and many other things before we order machine, ... now when we got machine hardware failure and incopatibility of l2 and i7 gen processors. We have send reuqest last night to change it now we are waiting for reply (that wont take 1 month as you said ;) And even better we have tested most of things , so we dont really need much time for testing as we tought, so after you see Valkyra in starting screen it means we gonna go live quite fast (we will announce 48h before live opening so everyone can log at same time).
Hello
You still want to know why we ask about the deadline?
Its becasue of that
"[16/07]
Plese start download HELLBOUND (T1) client of Lineage2, we gonna move forward kinda soon. ^^
Further news and betatesting coming on 1st august."
"May 04, 2009
Later on today Nightmare and Arean will be down for maintenance and update to Hellbound."
"Soon" have so many meanings here on DN...
GL
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 11:35:02 AM
We didnt give u exact date we just said around what time, and you know before flame us again (oh noes :( ) try understand something, we had a lot of checking / re-fixing/testing/and many other things before we order machine, ... now when we got machine hardware failure and incopatibility of l2 and i7 gen processors. We have send reuqest last night to change it now we are waiting for reply (that wont take 1 month as you said ;) And even better we have tested most of things , so we dont really need much time for testing as we tought, so after you see Valkyra in starting screen it means we gonna go live quite fast (we will announce 48h before live opening so everyone can log at same time).
Great work guys. Keep it up.
I will somehow miss leveling up from 40 with level 76 skills:) It was fun.
exping IS not fun. Maybe for new players for 3 hours... but after that is boring like hell...
Quote from: Locus on April 08, 2010, 11:44:45 AM
Hello
You still want to know why we ask about the deadline?
Its becasue of that
"[16/07]
Plese start download HELLBOUND (T1) client of Lineage2, we gonna move forward kinda soon. ^^
Further news and betatesting coming on 1st august."
"May 04, 2009
Later on today Nightmare and Arean will be down for maintenance and update to Hellbound."
"Soon" have so many meanings here on DN...
GL
I do understand you,but i wrote the reason what is holding us atm just a piece of hardware (we are now waiting same as everyone of you do ; [you can see by my spamming :)]) I gave you everyone exactly what is going on now and i dont wanna tell you something like we go live in 48h and then something happen then i look like a an "idiot" infornt of community. We have everything ready, files, etc... now we are just waiting new processor and obviously mobo.
Torn i want to ask u , dont want to spam just want to know is have chance this urs Gms think for new 9x to be again 20x cuz my friends and I (im sure and many , many other ppl) dont want to play on this 9x is wo low where is 20 .. where is 9x this is big diferent this is all just want to know ..
Quote from: Nasko on April 08, 2010, 12:18:12 PM
Torn i want to ask u , dont want to spam just want to know is have chance this urs Gms think for new 9x to be again 20x cuz my friends and I (im sure and many , many other ppl) dont want to play on this 9x is wo low where is 20 .. where is 9x this is big diferent this is all just want to know ..
Why you think 9x is low? do you know how many mobs you have to kill to reach lvl 76 on x9 and how many on x20 server? What except x9 exp rate you dont like?
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 12:22:24 PM
ok, x9 is to low ! My clan dont have time for that ! BB, if u get back on x20 u can count on us ! Cya
You have been playing on x10 rate server with all issues you had and +40 armor sets and +40 weapons, and now you dont have time for x9 server with new ideas,fresh start,no corruption,op items etc.... Sorry but i had to smile.
:)
Torn I'm play this game sence katsu c1 over 6 years (and im not stop .. ) for this i think i know for what I talk .. ok what i can tell u . 20x is 20 easy exp if u can make it 9x with party bonus 2x will be cool again all now is exp in 20x will come ppl w/o much free time cuz this game have 2 deferents way 1.U play It .. 2. U don't play it ... if i dont have free time for 9x i will dont start it like many other's ppl 20 is other think this is all ..
Torn,
I see an issue with economics of the server caused by this line "server’s rate will be x9 instead of x20. Drops and spoils are x5 and quests rewards are x9."
What will happen is that ppl wil exp 2x faster than they will gain mats and you will see BIG inflation pretty soon, I suggest keeping adena drop rate same as XP but increasing mats drop and spoil rate to x15 , also implementing C1/C2 non set items to drop list at increased rate would be fine to mitigate chance that prices will skyrocket when there will be need for shots and crafted items(also set items up to B grade would be fine like in C3).
You can say manor, but that will not be present until some castles are taken so that will be out of service for at least 2 months since server launch
BTW A grade is suitable to use since lvl 61 where end game is 24 levels away so I think it should not be so hard to get it
Quote from: Nasko on April 08, 2010, 12:29:54 PM
Torn I'm play this game sence katsu c1 over 6 years (and im not stop .. ) for this i think i know for what I talk .. ok what i can tell u . 20x is 20 easy exp if u can make it 9x with party bonus 2x will be cool again all now is exp in 20x will come ppl w/o much free time cuz this game have 2 deferents way 1.U play It .. 2. U don't play it ... if i dont have free time for 9x i will dont start it like many other's ppl 20 is other think this is all ..
I dont think u quite understand your english, but if you can understand me this i think it will help you to decide to come play here afterall: I will remind you 1 more time we have already made new sub system compensate the lower rate by not dropping your lvl when u sub , therefor its same regarding exp rate, 2x exp on a big higher rate or 1 time on a bit lower rate + we will make (as i said already) many exp events especially in start so after you reach top lvl no more grinding.
Quote from: dnuka on April 08, 2010, 12:33:03 PM
Torn,
I see an issue with economics of the server caused by this line "server’s rate will be x9 instead of x20. Drops and spoils are x5 and quests rewards are x9."
What will happen is that ppl wil exp 2x faster than they will gain mats and you will see BIG inflation pretty soon, I suggest keeping adena drop rate same as XP but increasing mats drop and spoil rate to x15 , also implementing C1/C2 non set items to drop list at increased rate would be fine to mitigate chance that prices will skyrocket when there will be need for shots and crafted items(also set items up to B grade would be fine like in C3).
You can say manor, but that will not be present until some castles are taken so that will be out of service for at least 2 months since server launch
BTW A grade is suitable to use since lvl 61 where end game is 24 levels away so I think it should not be so hard to get it
Please read all my posts.
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 12:32:35 PM
Look man, whan i played on x10 i was been younged ! Now most of us have works, searious relationships etc etc etc ! If u dont have real life, we have ! And on x10 was been totaly deferent story ! U never gonna make server like shadow ! SHADOW FOREVER ! And i know for sure if u make x9 u will close server soon ! GL and HF ! :)
Viva Las Vegas
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
Torn, you can talk what you wanna ! Whan u make server to work like shadow in best days of him ! You can tell me "Viva Las Vegas" !!!
Now u can only be quiet, cos u cant fix server 2 months ! First lunch server to work like shadow and after talk something ! And yes, get ppl on server like shadow ! :*
Lol, shadow was most crap of dn servers, no wonder why they closed it. Btw I hope u won't play at Val, we dont need crying ppl :D Cya, won't miss yaaaa
At the begining it will be harder to xp, but after few months at 20x rates server it will be possible to xp chars up to 78lvl in 2-3 days. In 9x rates server about 7 days. And really, how someone can say that this server gonna be bad cause its 9x rates server?
Right, shadow suuuuuuuuuuuux :) ::) ???
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 12:32:35 PM
Look man, whan i played on x10 i was been younged ! Now most of us have works, searious relationships etc etc etc ! If u dont have real life, we have ! And on x10 was been totaly deferent story ! U never gonna make server like shadow ! SHADOW FOREVER ! And i know for sure if u make x9 u will close server soon ! GL and HF ! :)
Are you tryng to be funny or what, shadow was nothing while compared to dragon.... come on :) Everyone knows that dragon was the best, and we're hopiing that Valkyria wyll be similiar.
Gotta try it... if came up ofc :)... Torn put my boss set on wh then i can say good words over all forum for server :P ;D
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 12:37:18 PM
I dont think u quite understand your english
Yea my english lol .. w.e. i just ask will chance to make it again 20x cuz ur population will be 1/2 lower now , but i see u can't answer me , u can't make nothing this 9x to be like 20x, ppl just get scare for this 9x and this exp event can't make nothing trust me ..
p.s. plz tell me and to other ppl will have chance for 20x or no this is all im w8 for 1 month like many others ppl ..
in the morning when i saw this change i was mad to but if i think better 9x is perfect bcz DN dont have servers that die or are closed in 2-3 moths so we dotn have to be afraid thatw e will play here for nothing and when we are ready with nobless,items and so on server will be closed cuz i know it wont be like that,and 9x is good cuz we wont get bored so fast,and as Torn say here we wont get delevel when we make sub i dont understand whats problem is same 20x but with more fun and less exploits ,cuz if we are lvl 40 with 76 skills many ppls know many exploits and it wont be fare for many other players i like the game to be fun and fare for all so thats why i think 9x will be good for all just think and as i said i was very mad to cuz i can play only like 4 hours on day bcz i have a job a wife and many other things to do... and not much time for lineage like before but think better cuz we have many more advantages like this.
Ps:all i need to know is if will be ALL C grade in shop,thx and i hope i see you all in game soon
Hi Torn.
You say you did not expect such a reaction to the change to 9x.
I don’t like that change at all, and probably will be out of it, if left 9x.
Most people who has reacted to the change is experienced people, probably have played this game 4-5 years. Probably has been in Dragon 15x for a long time, probably have created their main character and many others more for support like pp, dancers, tanks for raids, etc or dwarfs for crafting or spoiling, or other second ord third main characters.
Probably have also tested other servers Dragon or no Dragon.
So people do know what they say. I don’t want to do it all again, at a 9x rate, and maybe the same happens to others.
A balanced server with no overpowered and donator-exclusive items is attractive. A subclass stackable is attractive. A 9x is not attractive. Not for experienced players who have spent years in 15x, tired of boring leveling up till S grade, not to talk about to 80, for a new character, or for same character with new sub. Even having all support characters and weapons, pots, already available.
Probably one of the points of the announced server is that it was easier to level up in a 20x than in a 9x.
It is your server, it is your choice. But there is big difference between 20x and 9x. Lineage is an old game, some people is considering other alternativve games. Most player you recruit will be old players who still like the game, many of them with experience, real life and who know what they want. That kind of player is probably your target. I think you should pay attention to what so many players say.... if you want a good server.
Players need something really good to leave their usual servers, and all work invested there. Think it over.
OK!! BB AND GL with 9x :-\
Oh guys come`on why do you think that x9 is low, there is not much diff with the leveling...
If it was x20 we would lvl up very fast but without items on the right level... but with x9 we will have the eq on grade-level we are
Why dont you think a little bit ???
First im really sorry for my english,
The only thing i want to say is, i dont care if its x20 or x9, it just a different way to play, but the time is fcked on me, and i cant stay 3H doing a class quest. Some people works, family, and have "some" life, and love to playing on this game, but its thinking on doing the 2nd quest, 3rd quest and ... buff... horrible.
Thxs for reading it.
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
Torn, you can talk what you wanna ! Whan u make server to work like shadow in best days of him ! You can tell me "Viva Las Vegas" !!!
Now u can only be quiet, cos u cant fix server 2 months ! First lunch server to work like shadow and after talk something ! And yes, get ppl on server like shadow ! :*
hyh shadow suck i saw there max 1k ppl o.O
We wanted to make this server have content throughout the whole time your on your character and not only at end game, with the higher rate you’ll zoom past the levels, make a dwarf to farm mats like crazy, gear your main and eventually get bored. With lower rates you will gain xp slower yes but at the same time be rewarded with these coins we’ve implemented throughout the whole map in which you can exchange for your next grade gear. And Torn has already revealed that when you take dn sub u will not lose xp. So all in all we want players to be able to enjoy the game and progress at a steady pace and yet rewarding them throughout the journey. High rate destroys this concept completely.
With what we’ve installed for the server at the end the time spent will be the same, if not shorter, to reach your goal (end game with gear).
For those wanting to get level 85 within a matter of days â€" I’m sorry but what we will offer as a server will not meet what you seek for. After all, Lineage 2 is an mmo so some grinding will be involved.
Lowering the rate will no doubt rock the boat and risk putting off some people from joining but we believe this is better for the server in the long run.
Quote from: Descent on April 08, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
We wanted to make this server have content throughout the whole time your on your character and not only at end game, with the higher rate you’ll zoom past the levels, make a dwarf to farm mats like crazy, gear your main and eventually get bored. With lower rates you will gain xp slower yes but at the same time be rewarded with these coins we’ve implemented throughout the whole map in which you can exchange for your next grade gear. And Torn has already revealed that when you take dn sub u will not lose xp. So all in all we want players to be able to enjoy the game and progress at a steady pace and yet rewarding them throughout the journey. High rate destroys this concept completely.
With what we’ve installed for the server at the end the time spent will be the same, if not shorter, to reach your goal (end game with gear).
For those wanting to get level 85 within a matter of days â€" I’m sorry but what we will offer as a server will not meet what you seek for. After all, Lineage 2 is an mmo so some grinding will be involved.
Lowering the rate will no doubt rock the boat and risk putting off some people from joining but we believe this is better for the server in the long run.
+1 ofc
It is your server. Do what you please.
Dont surprise for the lack of response.
Good luck. I think it's no sense posting again.
Quote from: Popeyo on April 08, 2010, 02:05:42 PM
It is your server. Do what you please.
Dont surprise for the lack of response.
Good luck. I think it's no sense posting again.
Ok.
Great, If we won't loose experience while choosing a subclass I'm pretty fine with x9, but what about SP for skills then ?
Quote from: Simsung on April 08, 2010, 02:10:24 PM
Great, If we won't loose experience while choosing a subclass I'm pretty fine with x9, but what about SP for skills then ?
We can make that higher really no problemo.
Quote from: Descent on April 08, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
With lower rates you will gain xp slower yes but at the same time be rewarded with these coins we’ve implemented throughout the whole map in which you can exchange for your next grade gear. And Torn has already revealed that when you take dn sub u will not lose xp. ....With what we’ve installed for the server at the end the time spent will be the same, if not shorter, to reach your goal (end game with gear).
It doesn't sound bad at all.
U could have said that in the 1-st place and spare us of 7 pages of "bb & gl" posts ! >:(
Well maybe next time u will know how to stick a change like this up our asses more tenderly :D
Quote from: Tyler on April 08, 2010, 02:12:57 PM
It doesn't sound bad at all.
U could have said that in the 1-st place and spare us of 7 pages of "bb & gl" posts ! >:(
Well maybe next time u will know how to stick a change like this up our asses more tenderly :D
To be honest, i like your avatar too much :D
About server, well yea it was kinda direct but problem is (was) we cant say anything about special features we will have cause of leechers around, but you can be sure you will like them .
+1 for support +2 for avatar
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 02:15:53 PM
To be honest, i like your avatar too much :D
About server, well yea it was kinda direct but problem is (was) we cant say anything about special features we will have cause of leechers around, but you can be sure you will like them .
+1 for support +2 for avatar
Ok ok just don't make it 1x !! >:( ;)
PS: My avatar is not for sale ! 8)
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 12:37:18 PM
I dont think u quite understand your english, but if you can understand me this i think it will help you to decide to come play here afterall: I will remind you 1 more time we have already made new sub system compensate the lower rate by not dropping your lvl when u sub , therefor its same regarding exp rate, 2x exp on a big higher rate or 1 time on a bit lower rate + we will make (as i said already) many exp events especially in start so after you reach top lvl no more grinding.Please read all my posts.
Viva Las Vegas
SP problem?
im think make it 15x like dragon its better
So many cryer. :o
Keep working.
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
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i bet 1k euro that i can be lvl 85 in 3 days lol :o
Quote from: undertaker22 on April 08, 2010, 02:58:59 PM
i bet 1k euro that i can be lvl 85 in 3 days lol :o
Hehehe, its too much dude, too easy even on x9 , and they say is low rate !
Quote from: Descent on April 08, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
We wanted to make this server have content throughout the whole time your on your character and not only at end game, with the higher rate you’ll zoom past the levels, make a dwarf to farm mats like crazy, gear your main and eventually get bored. With lower rates you will gain xp slower yes but at the same time be rewarded with these coins we’ve implemented throughout the whole map in which you can exchange for your next grade gear. And Torn has already revealed that when you take dn sub u will not lose xp. So all in all we want players to be able to enjoy the game and progress at a steady pace and yet rewarding them throughout the journey. High rate destroys this concept completely.
With what we’ve installed for the server at the end the time spent will be the same, if not shorter, to reach your goal (end game with gear).
For those wanting to get level 85 within a matter of days – I’m sorry but what we will offer as a server will not meet what you seek for. After all, Lineage 2 is an mmo so some grinding will be involved.
Lowering the rate will no doubt rock the boat and risk putting off some people from joining but we believe this is better for the server in the long run.
Just a small notice.
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but its really hard to enjoy that progress atm. L2 is nothing new already, most of players who will play on this server have some expirience in L2. They won't be excited gaining every new level, getting their first d/c/b grade item or so.
Its not like in any single player rpg - you exp, make some interesting quests, proceeding on main scenario and so on. Something keeps you playing besides knowing what expects you in the end like in L2. You actually enjoy that progress, atmosphere, etc; if not- you just stop playing, simple.
In L2 its like:
Exp: you kill mobs, more and more... and more. Excited alrdy? No? So,... more mobs!
Any quest: you gotta kill, guess what?... Mobs ofc! After you kill them, you, most probably, will get an additional task. What can it be? Kill 100-700 more mobs! Cool, who could have known, huh?
About dialogues, i doubt you can find at least 10 persons here who read them all and enjoy it.
As for me, i can enjoy only some pvp/rb/chat ig. Edit: forgot enchanting and trying new different chars.
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 03:11:43 PM
Ok Torn, look how much you have posts whit "GL" and "BB" whit x9 ! And stop lie ppl whit everything ! For 1st remember that u tell you will lunch beta at 1st April. You are suck's rly or you dont know how to make community whit ppl ! 1st was been x20 and now x9, isnt that suck's GM's work ? Yes it is !!! Decide 1st what server you wanna make and after that make post's ! Thx for reading :* !!!
Get LIFE you bitch, and try to make your server now gtfo and stop crying or get used to dragon-network!
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 03:11:43 PM
Ok Torn, look how much you have posts whit "GL" and "BB" whit x9 ! And stop lie ppl whit everything ! For 1st remember that u tell you will lunch beta at 1st April. You are suck's rly or you dont know how to make community whit ppl ! 1st was been x20 and now x9, isnt that suck's GM's work ? Yes it is !!! Decide 1st what server you wanna make and after that make post's ! Thx for reading :* !!!
I started to reply something at this post, then i have hold backspace for long and gave up.
Viva Las Vegas
Torn/Descent,
i honestly think it would be more effective to tell the community why it will be worth spending time on YOUR 9x server. After all who cares about the time you have to spend on something when you are having fun.
Greets,
Critias.
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 03:16:28 PM
Torn and all of you nerds who defend Torn ! Whan u start server we will see how long thay be online !!! :D ... I suppost max 3-4 months !
GTFO! Go make your own server if you think you're better!
why the freak you cant STOP CRYING?????
If you wont play here do not reply here please we all know those EMO's like you Crying and spreading lies that server will die.
mm yea like frintezza 10x ... 3 max (but now frintezza is 20x and ppl like it) sooooo sad .. but yea this is very bad tell to ppl u will open 20x many ppl leave others server cuz of rate maybe. My clan leave new dex with 9k population ...( is 4x for this this i know what is low rate ) to come here to play 20x >< w8 1 month for beta and now happy new 9x dunno what u think ?
p.s. i really want some1 gm to tell me will have chance to be 20x or no. I and my clan really don't want to w8 more 1 month for nothing..
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Hehehe, its too much dude, too easy even on x9 , and they say is low rate !
well, i'm new player on dragon, i heard terrible things about it, corruption, walkers, custom lol sets from donation etc i dont know how many of them its true but i want to try, but if server will be x9, i will spend here long time and later you will add crazy donations and other custom shits, i will lose many time for nothing, unfair game, i think for new players x20 will be better (85 lvl is max so for normal players it shouldnt take 5 days),i know nothing about retails but if they will be added with stucksub it will take seriously long time... x9 is too boring, l2 isnt young, many of players are bored of farming, and if you will do something stupid, you will waste time of many ppl.
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 03:24:11 PM
Junkie dude, if u didnt make six for long time or never, conntact me on msn. I will found some b1tch to fvck her ! And yes, get a real life dude, gonna be better for you ! L2 is only for funn ! I dont have time to open new server, but for sure if i decide to open I will be great admin ! Never LIE players who wanna play on your server ! x20 > x9 !!!!!!!!!!!!
Since is see your IQ is as low as Temperatures on north pole I will explain it to you;
1st: Yeah EXP rates will be x9 is it 11 times lower than they said it first time, but when you will make SPS lvl 76 and subclass it to EE you wont get dlvled to lvl 40 but you will stay on lvl 76 so this x9 rate is almost the same as if they open normal Dragon-Network server x20,
2nd: You will have special coin system to gain items so this will make game even easier and faster for exp, gear up etc.
So where is your problem????
Quote from: Nasko on April 08, 2010, 03:23:16 PM
mm yea like frintezza 10x ... 3 max (but now frintezza is 20x and ppl like it) sooooo sad .. but yea this is very bad tell to ppl u will open 20x many ppl leave others server cuz of rate maybe my clan leave new dex with 9k population ...( is 4x for this this i know what is low rate ) to come here to play 20x >< w8 1 month for beta and now happy new 9x dunno what u think ?
p.s. i really want some1 gm to tell me will have chance to be 20x or no. I and my clan really don't want to w8 more 1 month for nothing..
Dude didn't you read about that server will go LIVE when they will recive new part in their engine that have to be changed so wait a little bit like admin's do becouse they cant do anything else than waiting too, better open server later and bugclear isnt it?
Quote from: Xanone on April 08, 2010, 03:32:42 PM
well, i'm new player on dragon, i heard terrible things about it, corruption, walkers, custom lol sets from donation etc i dont know how many of them its true but i want to try, but if server will be x9, i will spend here long time and later you will add crazy donations and other custom shits, i will lose many time for nothing, unfair game, i think for new players x20 will be better (85 lvl is max so for normal players it shouldnt take 5 days),i know nothing about retails but if they will be added with stucksub it will take seriously long time... x9 is too boring, l2 isnt young, many of players are bored of farming, and if you will do something stupid, you will waste time of many ppl.
Dude first ill say you wellcome to our community,
And listen there will be no donation's for owerpowered items there will be no custom shit's except potition's and maybe tato's and there will be no corruption on this server i guess for other's DN server's like dragon,arena,nightmare,infinity you have right informations.
Quote from: Junkie on April 08, 2010, 03:37:29 PM
And listen there will be no donation's for owerpowered items there will be no custom shit's except potition's and maybe tato's and there will be no corruption on this server i guess for other's DN server's like dragon,arena,nightmare,infinity you have right informations.
Ar u sure cuz i was sure this server will be 20x not 9. :D
pff 9x 2low.
DO YOU ALL REALLY HAVE SO LOW IQ??? GM's REDUCE THE EXP FROM X20 TO X9 BUT WHEN YOU SUBCLASS YOU WILL NOT LOSE YOUR EXP SO THAT MEAN WHEN YOU WILL HAVE LVL 76 FOR EXAPLE SPS AND YOU WILL SUBCLASS IT TO ELVEN ELDER YOU WILL NOT LOSE EXP BUT YOU WILL STAY LVL 76 SPS/EE THIS MEAN THAT ON X9 VALKYRIA YOU WILL WORK AS MUCH AS ON NORMAL DRAGON NETWORK SERVER X20 DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?? I HOPE YOU DO!
Okay , as i see some ppl still dont understand... we can chose between those:
1. 20x server, where the new system doesnt work and the donators will own the server
or
2. 9x server with new system where a normal player can be better than a donator......
think again, then QQ...
Quote from: roberts on April 08, 2010, 03:54:17 PM
Okay , as i see some ppl still dont understand... we can chose between those:
1. 20x server, where the new system doesnt work and the donators will own the server
or
2. 9x server with new system where a normal player can be better than a donator......
think again, then QQ...
what the shit u talk?
im think u gm friend :(
Quote from: Suxel2k on April 08, 2010, 03:57:46 PM
what the shit u talk?
im think u gm friend :(
yes im, and i'll get dynasty set when i go to play to valkyria....
9x rate own 20 x man is much pretty!!!!!!!
9x isn' t for nub 20x too much
My english sux i know
Quote from: Junkie on April 08, 2010, 03:34:38 PM
Since is see your IQ is as low as Temperatures on north pole I will explain it to you;
1st: Yeah EXP rates will be x9 is it 11 times lower than they said it first time, but when you will make SPS lvl 76 and subclass it to EE you wont get dlvled to lvl 40 but you will stay on lvl 76 so this x9 rate is almost the same as if they open normal Dragon-Network server x20,
2nd: You will have special coin system to gain items so this will make game even easier and faster for exp, gear up etc.
So where is your problem????
Dude didn't you read about that server will go LIVE when they will recive new part in their engine that have to be changed so wait a little bit like admin's do becouse they cant do anything else than waiting too, better open server later and bugclear isnt it?
Allways learning smth new on DN forum.
20/9=11! Cool! (Its 2,2 times lower, dude).
The only posts that is worthy to read in this topic ,are those from Gm's,
Dont make fast conclusion before even test it,and if you want a server for pvp only... there is a server called arena and its dead about 6 months now.
I wanna a server pvp too and pvping for good exp area or for raid boss is always my favourite part of this game.
Stop with the cry
;D
@48bit: Ah yeah! My mistake, sorry.
Quote from: Ad1s on April 08, 2010, 04:18:01 PM
The only posts that is worthy to read in this topic ,are those from Gm's,
Dont make fast conclusion before even test it,and if you want a server for pvp only... there is a server called arena and its dead about 6 months now.
I wanna a server pvp too and pvping for good exp area or for raid boss is always my favourite part of this game.
Stop with the cry
;D
Low rate server = PVP server
High & Mid rate server = PK server ;D
Low rate server = PVP server
High & Mid rate server = PK server ;D
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20x to much!!!! maybe for emo kids is good..
9x its ok, great :D
Someone played on 1x ? this is the best fun ever! I think..
better 9x than 20x ..
i love to play on low rate servers , much more fun than on high rate -.-
Quote from: Descent on April 08, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
We wanted to make this server have content throughout the whole time your on your character and not only at end game, with the higher rate you’ll zoom past the levels, make a dwarf to farm mats like crazy, gear your main and eventually get bored. With lower rates you will gain xp slower yes but at the same time be rewarded with these coins we’ve implemented throughout the whole map in which you can exchange for your next grade gear. And Torn has already revealed that when you take dn sub u will not lose xp. So all in all we want players to be able to enjoy the game and progress at a steady pace and yet rewarding them throughout the journey. High rate destroys this concept completely.
It all sounds nice, I hope you will give us more info about new stack/coins systems etc ^^
Quote from: Horknuth on April 08, 2010, 03:16:28 PM
Torn and all of you nerds who defend Torn ! Whan u start server we will see how long thay be online !!! :D ... I suppost max 3-4 months !
Let me show you something, hmm, where have I put this...
...
Aaa here it is:
(http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/7/78/Louiejesus9yc.gif)
Quote from: Junkie on April 08, 2010, 03:52:42 PM
DO YOU ALL REALLY HAVE SO LOW IQ??? GM's REDUCE THE EXP FROM X20 TO X9 BUT WHEN YOU SUBCLASS YOU WILL NOT LOSE YOUR EXP SO THAT MEAN WHEN YOU WILL HAVE LVL 76 FOR EXAPLE SPS AND YOU WILL SUBCLASS IT TO ELVEN ELDER YOU WILL NOT LOSE EXP BUT YOU WILL STAY LVL 76 SPS/EE THIS MEAN THAT ON X9 VALKYRIA YOU WILL WORK AS MUCH AS ON NORMAL DRAGON NETWORK SERVER X20 DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?? I HOPE YOU DO!
YOU HAVE REALLY LOW IQ?
1. Caps lock off.
2. U are really stupid? In your opionion this stupid few lvls (or % when your character is 80) = -11x rate on every characters? Lets me explain.. you will exp your character 1-80, 1 month on 9x and 2 weeks on 20x. How u think, whats ppl prefer? To lose few % on subclass(anyway i think ppl like it because they can learn how to control character(new class) before they get high lvl again) or exp every characters on account 2x more time (dwarfs, fun characters, pk chars, support..) ?
Quote from: Cireneu on April 08, 2010, 04:32:04 PM
better 9x than 20x ..
i love to play on low rate servers , much more fun than on high rate -.-
Because?
Quote from: Deino on April 08, 2010, 04:30:01 PM
Low rate server = PVP server
High & Mid rate server = PK server ;D
Low rate server (official etc) = farm world for nerds and no lifers, they can watch unreal girls and use unreal pets for fun. Because they suck in pvp (they start pvp after long time of just exp)
High grade = PVP server for ppl who love pvp in lineage 2 and play for it.
Quote from: Question on April 08, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
YOU HAVE REALLY LOW IQ?
1. Caps lock off.
2. U are really stupid? In your opionion this stupid few lvls (or % when your character is 80) = -11x rate on every characters? Lets me explain.. you will exp your character 1-80, 1 month on 9x and 2 weeks on 20x. How u think, whats ppl prefer? To lose few % on subclass(anyway i think ppl like it because they can learn how to control character before they get high lvl again) or exp every characters on account 2x more time?
The high rate warriors, who never played real l2, prefer the 2nd option for sure.
Ppl who played lineage2 more than 3 years hate exping..
Ok, serious reply now.
I don't think rates are any problem actually, you could make it x3 for all they care. Main problem is, every single of these players, old DN players or 'new' players, are not NEW, they aren't new to this game, every single one of them has played on one or more server, has had one or several high level characters, subbed and unsubbed. They all have seen this game by now, have already done everything. There is nothing to experience, nothing to explore, Lineage 2 is dead.
Low rates don't help with this, it only makes the game even more annoying, there's no fun in leveling up, trying to gather enough skills to try out this new 'skill' for your level, you already all know what skills you get, what they do, what the max lvl skills do, what top lvl chars are like. It's simply boring to go through that entire process all over again, in the end all you gain is boredom.
Players want to get to the fun part 'fast', call it lazy or whatever, but they have a point. It's like watching a game-show with a 1-million-dollar question where you already know the answer and know who wins, and they keep dragging you on for minutes on 'who would be the lucky winner', boring.
Quote from: Question on April 08, 2010, 05:17:10 PM
Ppl who played lineage2 more than 3 years hate exping..
I can see some ppl stil lcan't understand it, even thought they are playing 3 years in l2.
Example:
If you will exp ur char up to 80 in 2 weeks, then you have to spend 1 month to get eq, farming with lvl 70+ in C/B grade for S
If you will exp your char up to lvl 80 in 1 month, you will farm this month , so it mean you have to spend only about 2 weeks to farm for S grade, but in B/A grade, not in C. Isn't it more comfortable?
+ you will save another week, cuz if you sub at 80, you will remain 80, instead of dlvling to 78, if you sub at 76 (what prolly most ppl will do) you save even more time, cuz you'll remain 76 instead of dlvling to 40.
Got it now?
If after 3 years of playing your knoweagle about game is 10% (I can suspect u were playing only high rates etc), knoweagle about l2 system - 0%, then better remain QUIET. Thanks
And btw, in long time range:
1. Mby ppl stop making 50 diffrent chars, and stick to one / two choosen
2. New incoming players will have to lvl a bit, but if you start from 0, you would like prolly to get stuff easier instead of lvl, bcs what if you end at 78 lvl with low b grade ?
Quote from: Furesy on April 08, 2010, 05:22:27 PM
Ok, serious reply now.
I don't think rates are any problem actually, you could make it x3 for all they care. Main problem is, every single of these players, old DN players or 'new' players, are not NEW, they aren't new to this game, every single one of them has played on one or more server, has had one or several high level characters, subbed and unsubbed. They all have seen this game by now, have already done everything. There is nothing to experience, nothing to explore, Lineage 2 is dead.
Low rates don't help with this, it only makes the game even more annoying, there's no fun in leveling up, trying to gather enough skills to try out this new 'skill' for your level, you already all know what skills you get, what they do, what the max lvl skills do, what top lvl chars are like. It's simply boring to go through that entire process all over again, in the end all you gain is boredom.
Players want to get to the fun part 'fast', call it lazy or whatever, but they have a point. It's like watching a game-show with a 1-million-dollar question where you already know the answer and know who wins, and they keep dragging you on for minutes on 'who would be the lucky winner', boring.
I totally agree.
Forgot to add, you have the entire L2 game mechanics against you, it's Korean farm world, this game was made to farm, 'adding content to lower levels' by decreasing rates is bullshit, there is no content, the entire game is based on the system that you get when you get towards the top levels, that's where the actual game starts.
The longer it takes, the more 'addicted' players will pay to play, they all want to get to that high level to enjoy the game. That's the system on official.
9x???? are u joking??? Let ppl have real life........... 20x is good.... 9x for me is riddiculus atm... and i am sure that most ppl will be wanna play on smth higher than low 9..... lineage isnt new, and now ppl didnt want exp exp exp exp etc... better is exp fast and later have pvp, pvp, pvp, pvp and much more fun than exp on 9x....
Quote from: Question on April 08, 2010, 05:17:10 PM
Ppl who played lineage2 more than 3 years hate exping..
I've played almost 5 and x9 sounds perfect. It's great, fresh start for most Infinity players as me and i don't see any reason why most of you cry here. You have opportunity to start all over, you can accept it or no- crying won't help at all. And personally i don't need 2k players with over half crying that someone didn't make server that they want.
I just hope that bot's would not ruin another server.
Quote from: Kerth on April 08, 2010, 05:24:05 PM
I can see some ppl stil lcan't understand it, even thought they are playing 3 years in l2.
Example:
If you will exp ur char up to 80 in 2 weeks, then you have to spend 1 month to get eq, farming with lvl 70+ in C/B grade for S
If you will exp your char up to lvl 80 in 1 month, you will farm this month , so it mean you have to spend only about 2 weeks to farm for S grade, but in B/A grade, not in C. Isn't it more comfortable?
+ you will save another week, cuz if you sub at 80, you will remain 80, instead of dlvling to 78, if you sub at 76 (what prolly most ppl will do) you save even more time, cuz you'll remain 76 instead of dlvling to 40.
Got it now?
If after 3 years of playing your knoweagle about game is 10% (I can suspect u were playing only high rates etc), knoweagle about l2 system - 0%, then better remain QUIET. Thanks
U talk about begginings. Sorry but i dont care about my EQ in just 1st month or something. After few months of playing players will have full EQ on 1-2 chars! And? They making 3rd char and they need waste long time before they lvl up and can wear S grades LOL.
Got it now ? Your experience about this game is very low so stop talk about this.
[quote author=Kerth link=topic=216092.msg2136791#msg2136791 date=127074024
1. Mby ppl stop making 50 diffrent chars, and stick to one / two choosen
2. New incoming players will have to lvl a bit, but if you start from 0, you would like prolly to get stuff easier instead of lvl, bcs what if you end at 78 lvl with low b grade ?
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1. Who care? Ppl will ALWAYS have tons of chars, even when rate is 1x or 1000x. I have full acount of chars on official server (high or mid lvls) and i know many ppl who playing 2-3 85 characters.
2. Again who care? Just no exp too fast and make dwarf or something and farm stuff (++dwarf is always usefull so its must-have character). Or what u want ppl? 1st poor character with high lvl and easy exp on every characers on account +good stuff on all chars after few month or all character on account with low lvls and good gear? I prefer 1st option. After few months I can have full account of characters with full gear and lvl. If u choose 2nd option after few months u will have 1high lvl character with full eq.
Stop thinking about beggining!! U want to leave after 1 month or week?
Quote from: Question on April 08, 2010, 05:31:45 PM
U talk about begginings. Sorry but i dont care about my EQ in just 1st month or something. After few months of playing players will have full EQ on 1-2 chars! And? They making 3rd char and they need waste long time before they lvl up and can wear S grades LOL.
Got it now ? Your experience about this game is very low so stop talk about this.
Dont make me rotfl, if you are playing this game 3 years, I'm playing exactly 2x more so...
Thats one of points, mby ppl stop making 50 chars and stick to one-two. If u want, spend ur time to exp another :)
And I'm talking not only about begginings, bcs if you think if we start for ex. with 3 k ppl, and later noone will leave/join, then you are badly wrong. In this way, incoming players will have easier way to "grow up", it's better this way than have dead server like dragon nightmare etc, where starting villiages are empty since 2 years.
At first when I saw it, I was like "omg wtf, why 9x?????!!", but afterr considering it, I get to result - it's ok.
Btw, some ppl are saying "bb,gl" but we all know they will play anyway, just trying to push gm's back to old rates ^^
all you behave like bunch no lifer oh noee i will be expin mine army of char 3 month insted of 1.5 month you want have se.bd on dual find yourself friend in game playing that class you are to lazy to exp stay with 78 .... or buy exp ;o you want rates go arena its perfect for you or you say to fast ?
if you sub on 76 you go 40 so .. and so many pvp pk pt on exp spot on whole lvl from 40 - 85
+1 for work going on
Quote from: Kerth on April 08, 2010, 05:41:19 PM
Dont make me rotfl, if you are playing this game 3 years, I'm playing exactly 2x more so...
Thats one of points, mby ppl stop making 50 chars and stick to one-two. If u want, spend ur time to exp another :)
And I'm talking not only about begginings, bcs if you think if we start for ex. with 3 k ppl, and later noone will leave/join, then you are badly wrong. In this way, incoming players will have easier way to "grow up", it's better this way than have dead server like dragon nightmare etc, where starting villiages are empty since 2 years.
At first when I saw it, I was like "omg wtf, why 9x?????!!", but afterr considering it, I get to result - it's ok.
Btw, some ppl are saying "bb,gl" but we all know they will play anyway, just trying to push gm's back to old rates ^^
Where I told i play 3 years? Learn to read. I told you they nerver will stop making 50 characters, they will just start use more l2walkers or something. So whats is better? Give them high rate or let them to cheat? Official servers died because of it. Everyone botting because exp on 80+ is hardcore and they always changing characters.
Btw. i prefer to play very funny and exciting 0.5 year than playing very booring 3 years on just one character to get lvl and stuff before i start pvp.
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1. Who care? Ppl will ALWAYS have tons of chars, even when rate is 1x or 1000x. I have full acount of chars on official server (high or mid lvls) and i know many ppl who playing 2-3 85 characters.
2. Again who care? Just no exp too fast and make dwarf or something and farm stuff (++dwarf is always usefull so its must-have character). Or what u want ppl? 1st poor character with high lvl and easy exp on every characers on account +good stuff on all chars after few month or all character on account with low lvls and good gear? I prefer 1st option. After few months I can have full account of characters with full gear and lvl. If u choose 2nd option after few months u will have 1high lvl character with full eq.
Stop thinking about beggining!! U want to leave after 1 month or week?
And so, why do I (we, admins, Jesus, and all others) care about that you want to have tons of chars?
Ofc, nobody restric it - if you want, go achead, but you have to spend more time and effort, you won't be able to make 50 buff chars, and 20 dd chars in 2 weeks, sorry. And to be honest, it's the way it should be.
If you are talking about official, yes, but how long you have to exp there to have 3 chars 80-85? :) Year? Two?
Spend same time here, and you will have 27 chars (if at 1x you make 3, at 9x in same time you can make 27)
Quote from: Question on April 08, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
Where I told i play 3 years?
Quote from: Question on April 08, 2010, 05:17:10 PM
Ppl who played lineage2 more than 3 years hate exping..
Quote from: Question on April 08, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
Learn to read. I told you they nerver will stop making 50 characters, they will just start use more l2walkers or something. So whats is better? Give them high rate or let them to cheat?
Better make low rates, and ban cheaters :)
From my own experience I can tell you, that botters will always bot, no matter if thats 5x, 9x , 20x or 200x.
So better just ban `em all (just not me ::) )
Quote from: Kerth on April 08, 2010, 05:50:14 PM
And so, why do I (we, admins, Jesus, and all others) care about that you want to have tons of chars?
Ofc, nobody restric it - if you want, go achead, but you have to spend more time and effort, you won't be able to make 50 buff chars, and 20 dd chars in 2 weeks, sorry. And to be honest, it's the way it should be.
If you are talking about official, yes, but how long you have to exp there to have 3 chars 80-85? :) Year? Two?
Spend same time here, and you will have 27 chars (if at 1x you make 3, at 9x in same time you can make 27)
I not told i want to have 50 characters, I just know ppl who play this game long time and they always creating new characters. And its normal as furesy told, because u know everything about this game and u get boring fast.
And btw. on DN i can have 4 classes on 1 character. :p On official u can have only 1main class and 3 shitty subclasses (u cant hit 81+ on sub)
edit: Kerth i told "ppl" who play 3 years, not me. :p I downloaded l2 at 07.01.2006 but its not imporant how long u play, I know many ppl who play better after 0.5 year of playing than ppl who play few years.
Quote from: Question on April 08, 2010, 05:59:23 PM
I not told i want to have 50 characters, I just know ppl who play this game long time and they always creating new characters. And its normal as furesy told, because u know everything about this game and u get boring fast.
And btw. on DN i can have 4 classes on 1 character. :p On official u can have only 1main class and 3 shitty subclasses (u cant hit 81+ on sub)
edit: Kerth i told "ppl" who play 3 years, not me. :p I downloaded l2 at 07.01.2006 but its not imporant how long u play, I know many ppl who play better after 0.5 year of playing than ppl who play few years.
Y, thats true...
Anyway this argue have no point, you can't change what they decided.
Quote from: Kerth on April 08, 2010, 06:16:32 PM
Y, thats true...
Anyway this argue have no point, you can't change what they decided.
No i cant, but 100 players who declared they will play on valkyria and now they saying they not want, they all.. maybe can. :)
Ofc many of them just lie, but many of them not...
Btw.
Descent said ppl will get bored on 20x. You really belive this?
Descent, you think others server died because ppl get bored? No, nightmare etc. died because of donators (not exacly donators but high enchanted weapons on donate list.), bugs, crushes, cheats (hydrallisk coins cheat), adena dupe, hybrids, corrupt gms, antharas lair/zaken/valakas (i did it too xD) exploits. catacombs cheats, stupid nerfes, bugged geodata and much much more. I am sure u still dont know all of cheats what ppl still use ;) Much of cheats was stopped by chronicles updates.
I know many ppl who are waiting for this server (good stack, fresh start, not so crazy overdonated), and they won't care for sure if it's 7x, 9x, 15x or 20x.
Btw I hope this new val system is so cool as they describe it ^^
I will check the server any way, but Im not 100% sure If I will stay there.
Im a Farmer and I need to take care of my Farmville. Picking tomatoes aint shit.
Quote from: bronx222 on April 08, 2010, 07:07:02 PM
How can we trust in gms after such a lie.... since the forum started it supposed to be x20... now after xx weeks they say it will be x9 without any poll. Are they care about players? its just another donation server xD after 2 weeks they will write how much $ for ++ gears xD same like with the rates :D DN will never change
Sorry and you are? Your Post count?Your rec's? I dont judge you so dont judge others since looks like u have no credit to do so. However we made x9 (10) server rate cause of other things we will impolement, however x9 (10) rate aint big deal + we didnt start server then chnage rates so no1 from players aint affected by this, so as long as we didnt affect any1 of players we are fine, once we open with rate thats done and final.
Quote from: Torn on April 08, 2010, 07:13:34 PM
Sorry and you are? Your Post count?Your rec's? I dont judge you so dont judge others since looks like u have no credit to do so. However we made x9 (10) server rate cause of other things we will impolement, however x9 (10) rate aint big deal + we didnt start server then chnage rates so no1 from players aint affected by this, so as long as we didnt affect any1 of players we are fine, once we open with rate thats done and final.
Can you tell us any time when it can be online? 1 week,2 weeks, month? Then people will stop that freaking posts about WHEN WHEN WHEn
Quote from: Torek [IF] on April 08, 2010, 07:24:44 PM
9x maybe is the best choice.
i'm an ex 5x player (from c2) and 20x was too much in my eyes but i thought: who care, let's join and check how it will be.
but now that the rate is 9x it is the best for me.....
and don't mind about million of ppl that say: 9x?? low rate bb
cuz they don't know what L2 (and MMORG) means.
They are just childs with the new generation curse called "here and now" when they don't have to move a finger and obtain everything (for this reason they are all noobs xD)
They don't know the meaning of "play hard go pro"
so keep going your job, better 1k ppl with brain then 2kk brainless
I played 1 year on 1x and I made 2x high lvl chars without botting. I dont know l2? =O You think you know mmorpg because you play on private servers, yeah :) I still writing - low rate suck hard. I not want spend my life on killing mobs (I mean clicking mouse button). I prefer start pvp as fast as possible. And i dont care about newbies at high lvls, every game need cannon meat.
Quote from: Torek [IF] on April 08, 2010, 07:24:44 PM
9x maybe is the best choice.
i'm an ex 5x player (from c2) and 20x was too much in my eyes but i thought: who care, let's join and check how it will be.
but now that the rate is 9x it is the best for me.....
and don't mind about million of ppl that say: 9x?? low rate bb
cuz they don't know what L2 (and MMORG) means.
They are just childs with the new generation curse called "here and now" when they don't have to move a finger and obtain everything (for this reason they are all noobs xD)
They don't know the meaning of "play hard go pro"
so keep going your job, better 1k ppl with brain then 2kk brainless
Play hard go pro? Right, even a retard can move their mouse and click the attack button to kill a mob and gain a few exp.
Really, Lineage 2 takes ZERO skill to be played lol only difference can be found in PvP, how to buff, fast targetting, thinking ahead, choosing the right spot, run/hide, it are simple things but often make the difference.
Anyway, all this mess about the change of rates, it will pass, in few days all will be fine.
for me x9 its not that bad,but plsss...i have 1 little question,can q items for class change be free at 1st/2nd week???
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Quote from: Torek [IF] on April 08, 2010, 08:30:14 PM
so why ppl that play on 1x and waste 234345454 years expin are much more better in PVP then ppl that play on 5000x and make 54565685323444 years pvp??
because they have +9999 items and 9999 buffs.... :D pvp on x1 if you meant retail is terrible... i hate daggers but they are the best now, lolskills etc. for me Hellbound is last good chronicle, without so many stupid skills and items, but dynasty is stupid too xP
it will be 9x, and you can do nothing.............
Quote from: Ventarius on April 09, 2010, 01:06:42 AM
it will be 9x, and you can do nothing.............
I agree with 9x, but only if we won't loose exp at subclassing, and SP rate will be higher
Quote from: Simsung on April 09, 2010, 04:55:14 AM
I agree with 9x, but only if we won't loose exp at subclassing, and SP rate will be higher
+1
Quote from: bl3ax on April 09, 2010, 08:24:43 AM
+1
sp must be higher or alse we cant learn all skills after sub
Quote from: Sowell on April 09, 2010, 08:45:43 AM
sp must be higher or alse we cant learn all skills after sub
ofc
x15 :P
Quote from: Simsung on April 09, 2010, 04:55:14 AM
I agree with 9x, but only if we won't loose exp at subclassing, and SP rate will be higher
+8
Well i think we got to this point...If you guys all say that U play L2 for 3/4/5 years U should have enough knowledge to pick up your friends , choose that best charecters U know (U had more than time to try almost all characters, so U should know what char to choose), choose that best levling place and make 80+ chars in no time. In 1 month or less, you will be making pvp to get baium. 9x server should not be a big deal to good/skilled/experienced players.
Quote from: Mokas on April 09, 2010, 09:43:59 PM
Well i think we got to this point...If you guys all say that U play L2 for 3/4/5 years U should have enough knowledge to pick up your friends , choose that best charecters U know (U had more than time to try almost all characters, so U should know what char to choose), choose that best levling place and make 80+ chars in no time. In 1 month or less, you will be making pvp to get baium. 9x server should not be a big deal to good/skilled/experienced players.
so, server full of people who dont know how to play or server with less people but with skilled players..
i vote for skilled players.
best thing that gm's made was change rates, and 9x isnt so low as every1 think...
ofc x20 8) x9 s000x >:( :-*
Quote from: eXplander on April 09, 2010, 10:20:15 PM
ofc x20 8) x9 s000x >:( :-*
if u dont lose exp when sub for what u want 20x if u can lvlup almost so fast as on 20x, you just need to know good spots to exp
btw, u can kill low lvl rb's and exp so fast .. (ofc i mean in party)
this server will be the best of DN if gm's do what they said
Quote from: Cireneu on April 09, 2010, 10:24:33 PM
if u dont lose exp when sub for what u want 20x if u can lvlup almost so fast as on 20x, you just need to know good spots to exp
btw, u can kill low lvl rb's and exp so fast .. (ofc i mean in party)
this server will be the best of DN if gm's do what they said
true
Quote from: Cireneu on April 09, 2010, 10:04:23 PM
so, server full of people who dont know how to play or server with less people but with skilled players..
i vote for skilled players.
best thing that gm's made was change rates, and 9x isnt so low as every1 think...
we are happy to know that you have alot of free time and a small social circle, now stfu and let us discuss.
OMG I MUST EXP 1 WEEK INSTEAD OF 4 DAYS !!!!!>!!>!>!! OMG OMG OMG WHAT WILL I DO?
Ppl... do you remember how long have tou exp your 1st char in l2? I do, it was about 2 months with 7x rates :D But now I know how and with who exp, so I can make it with 9x in 1 week.
If you can't spend so "much" time to exp, go play arena/other hg rate server or stop play at all - nobody will force you to play, neither will cry for you.
Quote from: Cappuccino on April 10, 2010, 12:36:53 AM
we are happy to know that you have alot of free time and a small social circle, now stfu and let us discuss.
so funny kid ;D
i have life, i play football, i have school, i have friends, i take a ride everyday, i catch binge, i eat, i sleep, and many others things. but i still have time to play, how ? ???
if u are so busy you can find other server :'(
so, if u are retarded i cant do nothing bro ;)
Quote from: Cireneu on April 10, 2010, 12:55:56 AM
so funny kid ;D
i have life, i play football, i have school, i have friends, i take a ride everyday, i catch binge, i eat, i sleep, and many others things. but i still have time to play, how ? ???
if u are so busy you can find other server :'(
so, if u are retarded i cant do nothing bro ;)
No gf? Bad for ya :)
Quote from: Kerth on April 10, 2010, 12:57:05 AM
No gf? Bad for ya :)
spam topic but yes, we broked since 3 weeks :-\
we flirt almost 2 years but everything ends unfortunately
You don't have to explain :D But spam is cool, so lets go on
Quote from: Kerth on April 10, 2010, 01:05:16 AM
You don't have to explain :D But spam is cool, so lets go on
i just explain bcz of those people who like to say " no life , nerd, non social, " .
btw, this server are not for "people with life" ;D
Lol, you can play 2 h daily, just if you know how to spend that time, and you can be pro player:)
Quote from: Kerth on April 10, 2010, 01:09:33 AM
Lol, you can play 2 h daily, just if you know how to spend that time, and you can be pro player:)
yaa, ofc. so 9x its same thing.. just spend a lil more hours, but more fun for sure
my first server was raven 10x, and it wasnt difficult to lvlup :o
+1 for 9x
I didn't said anything about rates, just about time IG, cuz u said it's not server for ppl with life.
If you have 2 h to play, and spend 1,5 in giran, after it you say "damn, it's hard to exp cuz i'm not a nolife" no wonder :)
Quote from: Cappuccino on April 10, 2010, 12:36:53 AM
we are happy to know that you have alot of free time and a small social circle, now stfu and let us discuss.
What U want to discuss? rates??? GM's already said that the server rate will be 9x. If you are not happy, you are welcome to leave anytime you want so please, dont tell others to shut up when they have the same right to express their opinion as you do.
Quote from: Cireneu on April 10, 2010, 01:04:12 AM
spam topic but yes, we broked since 3 weeks :-\
we flirt almost 2 years but everything ends unfortunately
damn, do you wanna marry?!
Quote from: Cappuccino on April 10, 2010, 03:08:41 PM
damn, do you wanna marry?!
no, i want to play on 9x cuz 20x will attract much noobs and maudlin people :D
(im not saying that im pro or something, i just want to play 1 good server with amazing community)
Quote from: Cireneu on April 10, 2010, 08:02:11 PM
no, i want to play on 9x cuz 20x will attract much noobs and maudlin people :D
(im not saying that im pro or something, i just want to play 1 good server with amazing community)
True ;)
my opinion is 9x ... we can lvlup fast .... ( if you know play... you can exp fast )
and who want hight rate server go to Gracia final ..... or you can join in Arena 200x or Nightmare 30x ...
so ... you can play where you like ...
Valkyria 9x ;)
9x :)
btw you all will see, every1 who tell that 9x are too low will play there xD
Quote from: Horknuth on April 11, 2010, 02:41:54 PM
Ok, this is especial for Torn ! Ok i think for few days about your option ! x9 is ok if u make subclass dont delvl us !! Sry for bad words, i had a bad week ! :D
MMO Addict - only thing that can push you to do things far worse than love can.
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Quote from: Torek [IF] on April 11, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
ok
mmo addict > love
but
religion >>>> MMO > love
so: religion = worst thing ever
Soon we will have love within an MMO based on religion... End of the World (of Warcraft!)
Quote from: Torek [IF] on April 11, 2010, 09:00:52 PM
ok
mmo addict > love
but
religion >>>> MMO > love
so: religion = worst thing ever
Hmm... Do I know.
Religion make ppl murder other ppl (ofc just sometimes)
Love make ppl kill them selfs (without true reason, cuz it won't really help them with anything, does it?)
MMO make ppl kill them selfs + murder other ppl.
MMO won :)
theres no way im going to 9X
i see many posts with smtg like "i dont like X9 server cose i have life and no time to play....". well if the server is 20X u will quit after u reach lvl 80, to have that time for ur life? if u will play anyway, what is so bad if lvl up takes 1-2 weeks more? the time for ur real life is related with the time u choose to spend in the front of ur computer. dosent matter if ur char is lvl85 or lvl20.
On rate higher than x10 you are getting lvls to fast and you dont have gear for lv :P