so i made some tests with me and voudas hiting on catos with full buff and full dark resist and on full mdef buff but w/o any dark resist
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4048/necrotest.jpg ( voudas's buffs and m atk)
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9390/dmgplm.jpg (my buffs and m atk)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1218/catosfull.jpg ( catos on full buff vs dark and 3 parts with dark atr) i hit better if i use attack imo ;D
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6884/catosvarza.jpg ( w/o dnet set or any dark buff , just frint ) dwarfs hit more for sure LOL
i'm sure there will be x or y who will flame or Qq and i invite them to come ig and test dmg
So with full resist very low dmg, without resist 4x more dmg vs a guy with 3k mdef.
Who have 3k mdef raise the hand. :-X
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6457/arcplm.jpg
lol i have same dmg using a bow and on mage stats , imagine what can i do on bd stats ::)
Quote from: zenice on January 05, 2011, 06:00:36 PM
So with full resist very low dmg, without resist 4x more dmg vs a guy with 3k mdef.
Who have 3k mdef raise the hand. :-X
i also have 3k mdef and using more crappy jewels than catos so shut up pls
Quote from: slimx on January 05, 2011, 06:06:00 PM
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6457/arcplm.jpg
lol i have same dmg using a bow and on mage stats , imagine what can i do on bd stats ::)
Now u dont show the resists pics using bow?
Its a useless discussion anyway, u win!! gz
Quote from: zenice on January 05, 2011, 06:00:36 PM
So with full resist very low dmg, without resist 4x more dmg vs a guy with 3k mdef.
Who have 3k mdef raise the hand. :-X
catos is not even a tank.... imagine if we hit tanks...
wtf are we talking about???? if a tank make ud i will make 2 dmg ? lol....
ok dont boost us... give us cancel :D soo i can cancel like cancel whores do....
Quote from: zenice on January 05, 2011, 06:15:16 PM
Now u dont show the resists pics using bow?
Its a useless discussion anyway, u win!! gz
for ur info he had 150 res vs my bow , happy now? >:( i posted that pic moslty for fun to see the irony in this ::)
Quote from: zenice on January 05, 2011, 06:00:36 PM
So with full resist very low dmg, without resist 4x more dmg vs a guy with 3k mdef.
Who have 3k mdef raise the hand. :-X
me?:D
Quote from: voudas69 on January 05, 2011, 06:19:21 PM
catos is not even a tank.... imagine if we hit tanks...
wtf are we talking about???? if a tank make ud i will make 2 dmg ? lol....
ok dont boost us... give us cancel :D soo i can cancel like cancel whores do....
Thats why its called UD!! ;D
btw catos have nice set and rb jewels, not everyone have the same equip as him.
I wont say nothing more, cuz its useless to have a healthy and honest discussion on this forum.
Boost necros!!! ::)
on first pics voudas hasent full attri and we dunno how many parts catos got on dark resist.
second one dont show anything cuz u hide ur dmg and ur attri value.
on third pics no1 goes around whit 600 dark resist.
about 4 pics well he has 3k mdef but imo its still a bit low dmg but u have to admit that ur char and voudas's char arent a very Damege dealer,they shouldnt hit as sps,sorc or sh.
Quote from: Tabbox on January 05, 2011, 06:45:48 PM
on first pics voudas hasent full attri and we dunno how many parts catos got on dark resist.
second one dont show anything cuz u hide ur dmg and ur attri value.
on third pics no1 goes around whit 600 dark resist.
about 4 pics well he has 3k mdef but imo its still a bit low dmg but u have to admit that ur char and voudas's char arent a very Damege dealer,they shouldnt hit as sps,sorc or sh.
and why we shoulden hit like sps ? we got the same power on skills with an sps....
why should we make less dmg ?
since the power is the same and the m atk also the same we should hit like all mages...
dont tell me we have curses or pet coz our pet is fuking useless and our curses ? lol how can i land something on 3k m def.... i need 15k m atk and as u see i play with 9k with arcana open + zerk that i never use on pvps....
now explain me what should i do vs an archer.... i hit for (lets say 1k "never happent but anyway") and archer hit me for 2-3k
i drain ? i heal my self? or i hit for 500 dmg and he use cp pots? imagine how long i will take to kill some one with 10k hp and 3k cp FOREVER...
any way i still play my necro .... and i got only one mission warrior mage banes on sieges/mass pvps i cant do nothing more.... oh yeah maybe try to silence/doom the tank bishops if i dont die by an archer pt that assist all on me (1 hit for 2kx7 ppl in pt = ?) dead in 2 seconts....
For me 100 dmg on someone that has 3k mdef,DNET(8% reduce+Atr 50% reduce),Frintezza (15% reduce),Divine protection(30% reduce),Song invocation (20% reduce),Unholy Protection (Probably enchanted, let's say+10 40% reduce) no gloom or vark vortex landed looks tottaly normal to me and would be the same for an sps if he wouldn't use surrender,vortex,canel,solar flare,blizzard,elemental assault etc. And if someone say still sps make more don't forget that 15%+8% resistance from jewel or set don't exist for water.Blame NC Soft for it but as you heared you are debuffers not nukers.
PS What we should hear if Beleth ring appear on server :D ?
Quote from: VforVanilla on January 05, 2011, 07:00:35 PM
For me 100 dmg on someone that has 3k mdef,DNET(8% reduce+Atr 50% reduce),Frintezza (15% reduce),Divine protection(30% reduce),Song invocation (20% reduce),Unholy Protection (Probably enchanted, let's say+10 40% reduce) no gloom or vark vortex landed looks tottaly normal to me and would be the same for an sps if he wouldn't use surrender,vortex,canel,solar flare,blizzard,elemental assault etc. And if someone say still sps make more don't forget that 15%+8% resistance from jewel or set don't exist for water.Blame NC Soft for it but as you heared you are debuffers not nukers.
PS What we should hear if Beleth ring appear on server :D ?
soo explain me why i get 2k dmg from archers then with all the resist buffs ? again we go to the same topic archers = op right ?
i dont have aproblem to hit for 100 dmg if they hit me for 100 dmg archers or who ever also....
Quote from: Tabbox on January 05, 2011, 06:45:48 PM
on first pics voudas hasent full attri and we dunno how many parts catos got on dark resist.
second one dont show anything cuz u hide ur dmg and ur attri value.
on third pics no1 goes around whit 600 dark resist.
about 4 pics well he has 3k mdef but imo its still a bit low dmg but u have to admit that ur char and voudas's char arent a very Damege dealer,they shouldnt hit as sps,sorc or sh.
ye we arent the best dd around and lets say fighters use cov so that means less mdef , i'm sry i forgot to make one print with cov , i guess the dmg would be 10% more wich still sux badly imo
Quote from: zenice on January 05, 2011, 06:00:36 PM
So with full resist very low dmg, without resist 4x more dmg vs a guy with 3k mdef.
Who have 3k mdef raise the hand. :-X
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/121/shot00038r.jpg) (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/shot00038r.jpg/)
Quote from: VforVanilla on January 05, 2011, 07:00:35 PM
For me 100 dmg on someone that has 3k mdef,DNET(8% reduce+Atr 50% reduce),Frintezza (15% reduce),Divine protection(30% reduce),Song invocation (20% reduce),Unholy Protection (Probably enchanted, let's say+10 40% reduce) no gloom or vark vortex landed looks tottaly normal to me and would be the same for an sps if he wouldn't use surrender,vortex,canel,solar flare,blizzard,elemental assault etc. And if someone say still sps make more don't forget that 15%+8% resistance from jewel or set don't exist for water.Blame NC Soft for it but as you heared you are debuffers not nukers.
PS What we should hear if Beleth ring appear on server :D ?
then tell me how to buff vs archer iff im not tank to not get hits for 1-2k per hit . even being tank i ll get around 1k so is same . tell me when last time u saw any mage making ultrakill at least .... u didnt cause is kinda imposible
Quote from: Evolution on January 05, 2011, 07:34:03 PM
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/121/shot00038r.jpg) (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/shot00038r.jpg/)
80 dmg to catos 35/40 to u ? cool thenks for help :)
Quote from: voudas69 on January 05, 2011, 07:41:33 PM
80 dmg to catos 35/40 to u ? cool thenks for help :)
np ;D
Quote from: jygh on January 05, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
then tell me how to buff vs archer iff im not tank to not get hits for 1-2k per hit . even being tank i ll get around 1k so is same . tell me when last time u saw any mage making ultrakill at least .... u didnt cause is kinda imposible
+1
Quote from: Tabbox on January 05, 2011, 06:45:48 PM
on first pics voudas hasent full attri and we dunno how many parts catos got on dark resist.
second one dont show anything cuz u hide ur dmg and ur attri value.
on third pics no1 goes around whit 600 dark resist.
about 4 pics well he has 3k mdef but imo its still a bit low dmg but u have to admit that ur char and voudas's char arent a very Damege dealer,they shouldnt hit as sps,sorc or sh.
tabox try to be objective plix, check all screens, that is true now in mage weap atr don't work, but on bow work fine and on dagger too, so stop talking abaut atr whos don't work for mages now
well sadly u made tests when att system is totaly fuked up for mages...
I think track removed att bonus from mage atks look this test:
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4127/shot00578.th.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/shot00578.jpg/)
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3149/shot00579.th.jpg) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/shot00579.jpg/)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9846/shot00580.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/shot00580.jpg/)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6528/shot00581.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/shot00581.jpg/)
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4171/shot00582.th.jpg) (http://img213.imageshack.us/i/shot00582.jpg/)
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7842/shot00583.th.jpg) (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/shot00583.jpg/)
With this test i m pretty sure that they removed att from weapons, now is not mater of having full att (i make the same dmg with lvl 4 water on both vortex than with lvl 6 holy) so play archer/fighter no not mages cause we sux.
The only who can make the same dmg is Kapinoob cause he dont have att on his atks (ill play OL also :D)
And if i play my OL sub i dont get more than 2k from archer (ask mark :D)
Q.Q moron.
lineMAGE end welcome to new world ;D
Quote from: Gonzal on January 05, 2011, 09:34:56 PM
well sadly u made tests when att system is totaly fuked up for mages...
I think track removed att bonus from mage atks look this test:
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4127/shot00578.th.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/shot00578.jpg/)
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3149/shot00579.th.jpg) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/shot00579.jpg/)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9846/shot00580.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/shot00580.jpg/)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6528/shot00581.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/shot00581.jpg/)
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4171/shot00582.th.jpg) (http://img213.imageshack.us/i/shot00582.jpg/)
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7842/shot00583.th.jpg) (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/shot00583.jpg/)
With this test i m pretty sure that they removed att from weapons, now is not mater of having full att (i make the same dmg with lvl 4 water on both vortex than with lvl 6 holy) so play archer/fighter no not mages cause we sux.
The only who can make the same dmg is Kapinoob cause he dont have att on his atks (ill play OL also :D)
And if i play my OL sub i dont get more than 2k from archer (ask mark :D)
In both screens you have 150 attribute or more difference from the opponent, whats why you did't saw any dmg difference
Quote from: voudas69 on January 05, 2011, 07:10:55 PM
soo explain me why i get 2k dmg from archers then with all the resist buffs ? again we go to the same topic archers = op right ?
i dont have aproblem to hit for 100 dmg if they hit me for 100 dmg archers or who ever also....
You say things that make no sense. You take 2k dmg cause NC soft made only 2 buff to resist from archer: Chant of protection 30% and Song of Windstorm 30%). If you wanted all to hit same dmg i suppose that wanted also everyone to have transfer pain,Debuffs,Heals,Fast rez right? And i bet that only 4-5 archers make you that dmg and they Gladiators all. If you scream for them then scream to fix Duelist Spirit buff that is bugged and not all archers.
Quote from: VforVanilla on January 05, 2011, 11:07:23 PM
You say things that make no sense. You take 2k dmg cause NC soft made only 2 buff to resist from archer: Chant of protection 30% and Song of Windstorm 30%). If you wanted all to hit same dmg i suppose that wanted also everyone to have transfer pain,Debuffs,Heals,Fast rez right? And i bet that only 4-5 archers make you that dmg and they Gladiators all. If you scream for them then scream to fix Duelist Spirit buff that is bugged and not all archers.
all archers hit from 1k to 2.5k while every necro hit from 100 to 500 xd
WHat you guys want is to pwn every single fking one in server!
If archers class gets nerfed to, cause of 2 or 3 op archers, i leave this fking server permanently!
I'm starting to get sick of dragonQQnerfwork!
Damn, why don't you post here for how much normal archers, with draco bow or without o/e ic bow hit you for? I tell you, 500 - 600 crit and 100 - 150 dmg normal hit MAX and not all!
STOP WITH YOUR GOT DAMN QQ and put in your fking thick brain you can't pown every 1! Jeeeezz
Quote from: Javardsnegger on January 06, 2011, 12:56:30 AM
WHat you guys want is to pwn every single fking one in server!
If archers class gets nerfed to, cause of 2 or 3 op archers, i leave this fking server permanently!
I'm starting to get sick of dragonQQnerfwork!
Damn, why don't you post here for how much normal archers, with draco bow or without o/e ic bow hit you for? I tell you, 500 - 600 crit and 100 - 150 dmg normal hit MAX and not all!
STOP WITH YOUR GOT DAMN QQ and put in your fking thick brain you can't pown every 1! Jeeeezz
shut up idiot we dont talk about nerf any archer dont worry ur donations r safe . all we want is to boost necromancer class dmg cause i hit now gaimardi for 56 on tp while i ve 6.5k m .atk
Quote from: VforVanilla on January 05, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
In both screens you have 150 attribute or more difference from the opponent, whats why you did't saw any dmg difference
simply u dont know what i have done.... think twice before post and watch the whole pic please
after that reply this post
PS: Kapinoob hits hard now :o :o :o
Quote from: jygh on January 06, 2011, 12:59:37 AM
shut up idiot we dont talk about nerf any archer dont worry ur donations r safe . all we want is to boost necromancer class dmg cause i hit now gaimardi for 56 on tp while i ve 6.5k m .atk
Wanna bet this whole story's end if any will be nerfing archers? You must be blind maybe or you can't read! 80% of the posts i see here are: I hit for 50dmg while archers hit me for 1276742637869472975052954338KK dmg! Plz at least say: i hit gaimardi, or ideadhand or another o/e top geared player with he's max atribute for 56 dmg while he hits me with he's dd class and o/e bow and God knows what else for 9999999KK dmg! News flash: for each one you hit for 56 dmg there are 10 at least you hit for 6k m crit so put your fking QQ where the sun doesn't shine, stick your tumb in your mouth and go watch some more p0rn! Always, every fking damn week. the same QQer's here! Go do something else, rly you are getting boring!
I know what you guys want! It's very easy to see. You wanna hit char for 1k normal hit and 6k m rit while they are on max dark atribute, +6 dnet, +6 jewels, etc... and than at same time you want to hit lesser geared player for 12k normal hits.. and kill them with only 1 f1 press! Well if that's gona hapen tell me now so that i can start selling my stuff and leave!!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on January 06, 2011, 05:17:44 AM
I know what you guys want! It's very easy to see. You wanna hit char for 1k normal hit and 6k m rit while they are on max dark atribute, +6 dnet, +6 jewels, etc... and than at same time you want to hit lesser geared player for 12k normal hits.. and kill them with only 1 f1 press! Well if that's gona hapen tell me now so that i can start selling my stuff and leave!!
we don't want to hit 46782364k dmg but look here
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6884/catosvarza.jpg no resist buffs at all just mdef and see dmg , i never asked for nerf archers...mby duelist spirit a bit ;D just boost mages a bit so we can hit decent dmg
Quote from: Javardsnegger on January 06, 2011, 05:17:44 AM
Wanna bet this whole story's end if any will be nerfing archers? You must be blind maybe or you can't read! 80% of the posts i see here are: I hit for 50dmg while archers hit me for 1276742637869472975052954338KK dmg! Plz at least say: i hit gaimardi, or ideadhand or another o/e top geared player with he's max atribute for 56 dmg while he hits me with he's dd class and o/e bow and God knows what else for 9999999KK dmg! News flash: for each one you hit for 56 dmg there are 10 at least you hit for 6k m crit so put your fking QQ where the sun doesn't shine, stick your tumb in your mouth and go watch some more p0rn! Always, every fking damn week. the same QQer's here! Go do something else, rly you are getting boring!
I know what you guys want! It's very easy to see. You wanna hit char for 1k normal hit and 6k m rit while they are on max dark atribute, +6 dnet, +6 jewels, etc... and than at same time you want to hit lesser geared player for 12k normal hits.. and kill them with only 1 f1 press! Well if that's gona hapen tell me now so that i can start selling my stuff and leave!!
dude u defending ur archer probaply like we defend our mages.... calm down u gone have a heart attack....
play a necro and then speak I HIT EVERY FU CKING BUFFED CHAR FOR 500 dmg MAXIMOUM witn dragonic with tateosian set with dynasty every one.... if some one dont have OE he use the resist buffs...
play a freaking necro and stfu if u got no idea....
i make ultrakills only if some one die and he get rez and he had no noobless soo i kill unbuffed chars on mass pvps or ppl on A grade items....
now if u dont like us QQ leave server dude start selling ur items.... dont read our posts... this is dragonQQnetwork u like it or not....
i have never ask something for my char and i will never ask i dont want a boost i just say the facts....
QQ i will leave server lol :D who cares dude ? :)
Quote from: slimx on January 06, 2011, 09:15:33 AM
we don't want to hit 46782364k dmg but look here
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6884/catosvarza.jpg no resist buffs at all just mdef and see dmg , i never asked for nerf archers...mby duelist spirit a bit ;D just boost mages a bit so we can hit decent dmg
Slim, sry man, but what i see is you guys dealing between 300-400 dmg on a char with over 3k mdef, that mans you deal between 800-1k on a guy with 2k m def and even more as m def lowers, thats rly not bad at all considering you'r not even damage dealers... call me dumb but i guess you made my point exactly... i have full rb jewels and max i have is 2.1k m def, i don't have o/e jewels like most of the server... ;D ;D ;D!
Quote from: voudas69 on January 06, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
QQ i will leave server lol :D who cares dude ? :)
I didn't said it b/c any1 cares or not! I said it b/c it's simply what i will do if this freaking so called balanced classes face another senceless nerf/tweak! I'm rly freaking tyred of every1 QQ every fking week! Face it, necros are not DD and you make deacent dmg on chars who have normal m def, and i'm putting normal between 2 and 2,5k wich is not bad at all, cause most chars here i can show you don't even reach 2k m def!
wanna make u a test with 2k m def + resists ?
and prove ur point is wrong.... 2k mdef + unholy + divine + frinteza + invocation maybe ? oh + dnet ...
what dmg do u think i will make ? 200 MAX....
soo ur m def aint the think that make me do such low dmg... is the rest....
Quote from: Javardsnegger on January 06, 2011, 10:23:26 AM
Slim, sry man, but what i see is you guys dealing between 300-400 dmg on a char with over 3k mdef, that mans you deal between 800-1k on a guy with 2k m def and even more as m def lowers, thats rly not bad at all considering you'r not even damage dealers... call me dumb but i guess you made my point exactly... i have full rb jewels and max i have is 2.1k m def, i don't have o/e jewels like most of the server... ;D ;D ;D!
like i said in my 1st post i invite u and others ig and test dmg on u with ur own jewels
Every1 on this server can get over 2k m.def. I can say that cuz I still use tateossian set (yeah, im poor =P). So, if I can get over 2k m.def plus resists, a lot of ppl can get it too. Thats why dmg from mages are fvcked up. If u can get high m.def and buff resist against all mages, ur okay.
Yeah, mages supposed to have weak defense, thats fine by me. But since we are attack mages, we should hit hard, and thats a fact. Im not saying we should hit 10k every hit, but we should have a chance to kill as easy as an archer or dagger can kill us. So if I go to pvp with 2k (or more) p.def, full resist to archers and att buffs, its normal to get 2k/3k or even more damage? With TP on? And its normal to give an archer with 2k or more m.def and resists against mages 100/200/300 dmg? Can you see the difference here or I should draw for you?
We are not asking for much. Just some balance. OFC mages should die to archers, daggers or whatever, cuz we supposed to have lower defense. But since we have higher m.atk, we also should be able to give some good damage before we die.
A few months ago, when gehenna and similar skills had range bug, every1 cry about it. "omg! omg! 5k hit from gehenna! omg! Im out of range and I died!". Ok, GMs fixed it range. No problem. But after that, gehenna damage also dropped a lot. So now, u dont even see ppl using it. For me, the only problem was range. Damage should remain the same. It was one of the few skills we could use to do something.
Now we do nothing.
Play a fighter or healer char till track fix the att system... its obvious that is not working on mages and its working for fighters only
I will not tell some1 should improve mages ... Not all of them ! As i saw Dark magic should be more strong ... And that's all !!!
p.s.: Don't even tell more that SPS is DD !!! SPS is sh1t in every L2 server !!!!!!!!!!! It's just GM's made him OP here !
And before telling me i'm wrong - go try some other servers !
btw where is luci?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?
as i said only 1 necro from opposite side is me so i dunno why u so care about iff necro will be boosted or no cause all necro's left r in temp :D is lame to flame ur ally m8's and ur cl ( voudas) cause we want to enjoy this game same as rest of u by not only rerolling .....
Quote from: jygh on January 06, 2011, 01:32:08 PM
as i said only 1 necro from opposite side is me so i dunno why u so care about iff necro will be boosted or no cause all necro's left r in temp :D is lame to flame ur ally m8's and ur cl ( voudas) cause we want to enjoy this game same as rest of u by not only rerolling .....
Thx 4 remember me marico.
Just cuz I was innactive doesnt mean I dont play anymore. :'(
Quote from: jygh on January 06, 2011, 01:32:08 PM
as i said only 1 necro from opposite side is me so i dunno why u so care about iff necro will be boosted or no cause all necro's left r in temp :D is lame to flame ur ally m8's and ur cl ( voudas) cause we want to enjoy this game same as rest of u by not only rerolling .....
Woot?? I'm not flaming! I'm just stating a fact! It's plain justice nothing else.
I talk trough my experience and i get hit by you for 6k alot! I know you want your char to pown! But first of all, mages should lose to archers it's natural order of l2 but we have dn costum subsystem i know. All i'm saying is you want to hit top geared players for huge dmg, and what about all other players than?? You guys want, to heal, res, cancel, debuff, use celestial, and give huge dmg... ofc.. ofc... i understand.. talk do papa! I want it to... as a mather of fact what i want is a moded char! TRACK! FUK! QQ! Do smthg about this!
I play here since c4, always played a glad, only in Hb i changed to archer! Don't tell me what is a low dmg dealer char! You guys ore fine! No1 NOFKING 1 is buffed with all resists against all mages, don't tell me they are cause they don't!
Quote from: Javardsnegger on January 06, 2011, 02:37:19 PM
Woot?? I'm not flaming! I'm just stating a fact! It's plain justice nothing else.
I talk trough my experience and i get hit by you for 6k alot! I know you want your char to pown! But first of all, mages should lose to archers it's natural order of l2 but we have dn costum subsystem i know. All i'm saying is you want to hit top geared players for huge dmg, and what about all other players than?? You guys want, to heal, res, cancel, debuff, use celestial, and give huge dmg... ofc.. ofc... i understand.. talk do papa! I want it to... as a mather of fact what i want is a moded char! TRACK! FUK! QQ! Do smthg about this!
I play here since c4, always played a glad, only in Hb i changed to archer! Don't tell me what is a low dmg dealer char! You guys ore fine! No1 NOFKING 1 is buffed with all resists against all mages, don't tell me they are cause they don't!
we make those dmg then on not fully mage buffed resisted ppl... soo imagine if they get full buffed ressist....
we dont wanna pow we wanna make normal dmg 100 its not normal to a good player and 500 to an average player is not good also...
put a good archer hit a midium mage and u will see what i am talking about... for sure 8k one hit bb my average little mage... u keep saying about average players soo see the other side of facts also (the dark side has gone....)
Quote from: Javardsnegger on January 06, 2011, 02:37:19 PM
Woot?? I'm not flaming! I'm just stating a fact! It's plain justice nothing else.
I talk trough my experience and i get hit by you for 6k alot! I know you want your char to pown! But first of all, mages should lose to archers it's natural order of l2 but we have dn costum subsystem i know. All i'm saying is you want to hit top geared players for huge dmg, and what about all other players than?? You guys want, to heal, res, cancel, debuff, use celestial, and give huge dmg... ofc.. ofc... i understand.. talk do papa! I want it to... as a mather of fact what i want is a moded char! TRACK! FUK! QQ! Do smthg about this!
I play here since c4, always played a glad, only in Hb i changed to archer! Don't tell me what is a low dmg dealer char! You guys ore fine! No1 NOFKING 1 is buffed with all resists against all mages, don't tell me they are cause they don't!
What a load of crap.
For sure u didnt read anything we said here...
Quote from: Javardsnegger on January 06, 2011, 02:37:19 PM
Woot?? I'm not flaming! I'm just stating a fact! It's plain justice nothing else.
I talk trough my experience and i get hit by you for 6k alot! I know you want your char to pown! But first of all, mages should lose to archers it's natural order of l2 but we have dn costum subsystem i know. All i'm saying is you want to hit top geared players for huge dmg, and what about all other players than?? You guys want, to heal, res, cancel, debuff, use celestial, and give huge dmg... ofc.. ofc... i understand.. talk do papa! I want it to... as a mather of fact what i want is a moded char! TRACK! FUK! QQ! Do smthg about this!
I play here since c4, always played a glad, only in Hb i changed to archer! Don't tell me what is a low dmg dealer char! You guys ore fine! No1 NOFKING 1 is buffed with all resists against all mages, don't tell me they are cause they don't!
u know u say " TOP GEARED " and me and voudas r not top geared?? i ve set +6 icarus+7 full rb set etc and i hit ppls for 100-300 i tested yday dmg on gaimardi and he laughted a lot when even without set and song mdef he still got 190 dmg on me with 0 dark resist on me . u seriously dont read our posts lol xD
and im again sorry to voudas tat u ve such a nubs in ally :D instead of helping their allly m8 they want to fck u up :D
1 thing that should rly worry people should be the screen where Catos have only 15 of protection against Dark Attack and still low damage from Voudas and Slim.
For sure NE need some boost or maybe fix attribute system for Dark Attack, 1 thing that should help a lot, make test with:
- Weapon Full Dark Attribute
- Weapon with lvl 4 Dark Attribute
- Weapon without attribute
If the problem is the damage from skills u will have low damage with all those weapons, if the problem is the attribute system u will have lower damage with weapons lvl 4 and without attribute.
Sry i didn't read all posts, just the important ones (Jin, Voudas and Slim) and imo NE rly need some boosts.
Just one more opinion about screens from test.
Make the buffs same like PVP, if u wanna prove that NE r making rly low damage, try to get 1 Fighter with the buffs he usually use on PVP, don't consider the Dance of Alignment and the Song of Invocation, cause most of time a fighter pt wont have this song/dance on their buff bar while on pvp/sieges.
Quote from: Weezer on January 06, 2011, 05:08:17 PM
Just one more opinion about screens from test.
Make the buffs same like PVP, if u wanna prove that NE r making rly low damage, try to get 1 Fighter with the buffs he usually use on PVP, don't consider the Dance of Alignment and the Song of Invocation, cause most of time a fighter pt wont have this song/dance on their buff bar while on pvp/sieges.
i alrdy did it on gaimardi yday and dmg was 170 without transfer pain . with song invocation dmg was 134
even if atr system got fixed and bring back old dmg from before last server maintance this don't change fact: to get resist for archer you need 2x part with 150 atr=300 =-30% archer dmg but to make resist for evry one archer you need 2 sets, it is useles because in the same time you can wear only set witch resist only with 2 elements on archer so rest archer give you big dmg, np if you have 2x wind and 2x fire archers with holy,earth,water,dark can you kill easly, so this atr system don't make sense when arher don't need any atr in set because if he use resist buffs vs mages, mages give him shit dmg because for mages resist buffs give more reduce dmg them any atr in armours so this atr system is really sux and make this shit server unbalanced that is my opinion on this point
necros are now fcked up - and i agree to that. But not only - now all mages hit rly lower that around 1 month ago, like Maciek said - i didn't saw from long time any mage with some ultrakill or smth like this. I have on my SH 11k matak with full wind attr for pvp - and I hit Puff or Gaimardi for 300 max (m.crit - 1k -1.5k), mages can kill some1 now after 2-3 cancel from SPS or kamael. So now all mages are fcked up - but mostly are necros.
Quote from: eagleye on January 06, 2011, 05:20:13 PM
necros are now fcked up - and i agree to that. But not only - now all mages hit rly lower that around 1 month ago, like Maciek said - i didn't saw from long time any mage with some ultrakill or smth like this. I have on my SH 11k matak with full wind attr for pvp - and I hit Puff or Gaimardi for 300 max (m.crit - 1k -1.5k), mages can kill some1 now after 2-3 cancel from SPS or kamael. So now all mages are fcked up - but mostly are necros.
now after last maintance atr system don't work with magic skils, but i think track fix it, but it doesyn't change it :
Quote from: chlipuseven if atr system got fixed and bring back old dmg from before last server maintance this don't change fact: to get resist for archer you need 2x part with 150 atr=300 =-30% archer dmg but to make resist for evry one archer you need 2 sets, it is useles because in the same time you can wear only set witch resist only with 2 elements on archer so rest archer give you big dmg, np if you have 2x wind and 2x fire archers with holy,earth,water,dark can you kill easly, so this atr system don't make sense when arher don't need any atr in set because if he use resist buffs vs mages, mages give him shit dmg because for mages resist buffs give more reduce dmg them any atr in armours so this atr system is really sux and make this shit server unbalanced that is my opinion on this point
We all know that since interlude/HB we got lots of new resist buffs against dark. I knew that and I still choose to play with NE/PP, cuz I like it and it used to be a good char.
But the way it is now (mayb cuz of att system, mayb cuz necros got even more nerfed, dont know), its impossible to do pvp.
Anyway, any1 want to come kill some mobs on HB with me?
:-\
Quote from: 666VeNoM on January 06, 2011, 05:49:29 PM
We all know that since interlude/HB we got lots of new resist buffs against dark. I knew that and I still choose to play with NE/PP, cuz I like it and it used to be a good char.
But the way it is now (mayb cuz of att system, mayb cuz necros got even more nerfed, dont know), its impossible to do pvp.
Anyway, any1 want to come kill some mobs on HB with me?
You'll run out of mp before killing any chimera, better stay killing mobs near the spawn or those caravaners lol
Quote from: legendaryvicious on January 06, 2011, 06:00:22 PM
You'll run out of mp before killing any chimera, better stay killing mobs near the spawn or those caravaners lol
Im NE/PP, I have arcane wisdom. MP is not a problem. Arcane Wisdom + Pots + Symbol = eternal MP
;D
Quote from: Weezer on January 06, 2011, 05:08:17 PM
Just one more opinion about screens from test.
Make the buffs same like PVP, if u wanna prove that NE r making rly low damage, try to get 1 Fighter with the buffs he usually use on PVP, don't consider the Dance of Alignment and the Song of Invocation, cause most of time a fighter pt wont have this song/dance on their buff bar while on pvp/sieges.
well not many ppl use aling or invo in pvp bcuz they don't need it , just look on the screen with catos only with mb/mangus and warding and see the dmg , i wouldn't bother to use them also ;D ; unlike archers mags can't afford the luxury to go w/o winstorm or cop and even with all that , deflect arrow lvl 2 , 2,7k pdef i get 1,5-2k from some archers >:(
Quote from: slimx on January 06, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
well not many ppl use aling or invo in pvp bcuz they don't need it , just look on the screen with catos only with mb/mangus and warding and see the dmg , i wouldn't bother to use them also ;D ; unlike archers mags can't afford the luxury to go w/o winstorm or cop and even with all that , deflect arrow lvl 2 , 2,7k pdef i get 1,5-2k from some archers >:(
1 solution: make windstorm like the other songs (2 and half mins)
2 solution: fix or set default att system for mage atks cause as i said in my other replies, mages dont get boost from att on weapon!
3 solution: rerole to bp/tank or archer/tank QQ mages
Quote from: Gonzal on January 06, 2011, 06:50:05 PM
1 solution: make windstorm like the other songs (2 and half mins)
2 solution: fix or set default att system for mage atks cause as i said in my other replies, mages dont get boost from att on weapon!
3 solution: rerole to bp/tank or archer/tank QQ mages
4 solution leave from this shit serv and don't waste time for playing here it don't make sense any more
Quote from: eagleye on January 06, 2011, 05:20:13 PM
necros are now fcked up - and i agree to that. But not only - now all mages hit rly lower that around 1 month ago, like Maciek said - i didn't saw from long time any mage with some ultrakill or smth like this. I have on my SH 11k matak with full wind attr for pvp - and I hit Puff or Gaimardi for 300 max (m.crit - 1k -1.5k), mages can kill some1 now after 2-3 cancel from SPS or kamael. So now all mages are fcked up - but mostly are necros.
i think they discover out that we are edited! damn ;D
Quote from: 5ruci on January 06, 2011, 07:22:39 PM
i bet that wolf 80lv full buffed w/o jewels and armor hit harder than somme mage with 20 m.atk :o
anyone can test it?
solutions:
1-fix attributes for mages
2-about necro, its not damage dealer, its a crowd-controller(debuff) and a half summoner.
make debuffs more efficient, so fix land rate for debuffs (not only for mage, but for fighter too, like powerbreak, hex etc)
3-fix summon basic stats and p.atack/pdef
4-fix attack speed for icarus bow
5-fix attribute for dagger skills
6-fix lethal from dagger (stabs from 1st/2nd class are lethal CP, stabs from 3rd class are lethal cp/hp)
It's all about bugged attributes. At the moment we have two attribute systems stacking up (C3 system + The Kamael system). This problem also apply's to gladiators, tyrants and daggers by the way.
Basicly it comes down to this, as long as:
your attribute p.att - enemy attr.p.def < 150 all resist buffs have a double effect.
1. Damage reduction by % (C3 system)
2. Damage reduction by the increase of attribute p.def (The Kamael system)
Normally when your attribute p.att - enemy attr.p.def > 150 (including resist buffs) the resist buffs themselfs should have no effect at all. Now it even reduces by a certain % even if the difference is larger then 150.
Good luck.
Quote from: loXol on January 07, 2011, 05:31:03 PM
solutions:
1-fix attributes for mages
2-about necro, its not damage dealer, its a crowd-controller(debuff) and a half summoner.
make debuffs more efficient, so fix land rate for debuffs (not only for mage, but for fighter too, like powerbreak, hex etc)
3-fix summon basic stats and p.atack/pdef
4-fix attack speed for icarus bow
5-fix attribute for dagger skills
6-fix lethal from dagger (stabs from 1st/2nd class are lethal CP, stabs from 3rd class are lethal cp/hp)
done
so tempi u leave server or u still cry???
Quote from: Montana on January 08, 2011, 09:47:55 AM
so tempi u leave server or u still cry???
thats all u had to say ?
and btw u see only temp posting here?
what a freaking tard lol....
Quote from: voudas69 on January 08, 2011, 02:30:38 PM
thats all u had to say ?
and btw u see only temp posting here?
what a freaking tard lol....
just for info ofc I dont read the 6 pages,
its enough already when i see that slimx opened the topic ... all what follows is just QQ
everyone wants that his char have power? right?! but it is not possible
So as I said leave the server or cry